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Hold on to your latte, there are some seriously pissed-off white Americans out there who are not happy with the way things are going—and they’re armed. Truthdig’s Chris Hedges leads this tour of “Americana: The 2nd Revolutionary War.”

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By BruSays, July 13, 2009 at 11:32 am Link to this comment

Boy, when I read the header, “Time for a Second Revolution?” I knew it would pull in a lot of nutcases. Looks like we weren’t disappointed.

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By OzarkMichael, July 13, 2009 at 11:06 am Link to this comment

Night Gaunt said: A “bit” draconian? You denigrate my position in such a subtle fashion, well done! You don’t think Holdren’s view is draconian?!

Yes it is.

You don’t think what he is describing is a desperate measure to reign in our profligate reproduction before it kills us off?


Unlike you, I dont excuse Holdren for his totalitarian streak.


You think he is for it simply because it would put all of earth’s population into the hands of a single regulating body. Take choice from the individual to protect the whole?

Again, lots of people find what they think is a good cause. Right or wrong, its ok. That isnt at all the point. It is the method which they are willing to use to attain them. Whether they want absolute power for the church or science or the military or just the state. The more you try to explain that Holdren makes sense to you the more I worry.

Night Gaunt, you still havent told me why Dr Collins is as dangerous as Holdren. What has Dr Collins done or said that makes him a Dominionist? I understand that Dr Collins is an evangelical Christian, is that the problem?


Oh and nice how you side stepped my direct question about where you stand with our gov’t. The Bill of Rights or your Bible rule here? Easy to answer in that area. Which is why you didn’t and won’t.

The real reason i didnt answer is that I want to stay on topic. So your assumption there is wrong. If you explain why Collins is so dangerous I will answer any question you want.

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By Night-Gaunt, July 13, 2009 at 7:59 am Link to this comment

I have no love of totalitarianism of any stripe or kind. But it is the evangelicals et al who are the danger here not Leftists. Obama is no leftist nor anything else good in my opinion.

Considering what the Dominionists want and how many of them are white racists & they might want to impose sterilization on other peoples they deem blighted and cursed by God as they see it. So Holdren’s ideas could be perverted for their use. [Again it would be easier for them to contaminate the water with hormones that sterilized males.] Even they don’t need 9 billion on the planet. [It could make it too hard for them to control.] For me it would be awful for those who won’t have enough of anything to have a good free life. I doubt we will reach that terrible amount of people, I hope not.

“Maybe you are happy with the fact that Holdren is a ‘green’ Leftist type, which is why you find his fascist dream ‘understandable’ if a bit ‘draconian’.”OzarkMichael

A “bit” draconian? You denigrate my position in such a subtle fashion, well done! You don’t think Holdren’s view is draconian? You don’t think what he is describing is a desperate measure to reign in our profligate reproduction before it kills us off? You think he is for it simply because it would put all of earth’s population into the hands of a single regulating body. Take choice from the individual to protect the whole?

Oh and nice how you side stepped my direct question about where you stand with our gov’t. The Bill of Rights or your Bible rule here? Easy to answer in that area. Which is why you didn’t and won’t. To me it is the Bill of Rights that allow the Bible but you can’t implement any of it that violates the BOR.

Just remember there is no Bill of Rights or Constitution in the Bible which promotes a totalitarian form of eternal Kingdom.

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By OzarkMichael, July 13, 2009 at 6:19 am Link to this comment

Night Gaunt said: I don’t know if either one is “Dominionist” but it doesn’t matter if they carry out what they want.

Tell me what Collins ‘wants’ which approaches the Totalitarianism which Holdren has expressed.

Which rules OzarkMichael, the Bill of Rights/Constitution or the Bible in this gov’t? Do you think that JHVH will return when the world is made right for him first or when the 7 seals are broken and 7 trumpets blare and 7 vials are poured out?

Implicit in your question is the equivalence between being an evangelical Christian and a totalitarian. So you think Collins is as dangerous as Holdren, or perhaps moreso. Am I right?

What a person considers to be the most important problem in the world is not the determining factor of whether they are dangerous. Whether they are worried about overpopulation. or Immorality. or Rich People. or Poor People. or Religionists. or Atheists.

The only thing we can know from their choice is what is important to them. We can maybe have agreement or a pleasant disagreement. Plenty of room for every point of view, at least in my book.

For me, it is the method of addressing their concern that makes for ‘Dominionism’. Totalitarians, Left or Right, are equally repulsive to me. I have no sympathy for totalitarian thinkers of any stripe, and I dont care whether a dictatorship implements the things i care about, or the things you care about. They are bad either way.

Maybe you are happy with the fact that Holdren is a ‘green’ Leftist type, which is why you find his fascist dream ‘understandable’ if a bit ‘draconian’.

Perhaps you see Holdren as the prototype of someone who could save us all from the Dominionists?

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By alex Hunter, July 13, 2009 at 12:00 am Link to this comment
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The part where the marine says that the so called ‘terrorists’ in Iraq/Afghanistan are really just resistance fighters is absolutely correct, obvious and insidious.
Fuck NWO, NAU, SPP, Codex, IMF, World Bank, Freemasons, Illuminati and their minions.
Stand up for your children, for the innocents being slaughtered in the Middle East and for those that laid their lives down in the two Great Wars and enforce democracy, take your freedom and make ALL EQUAL BEFORE THE EYES OF THE LAW.
Destroy the Machine!!!
Prepare.
Organise.
FUCK them.
Enough Already!!!

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By Night-Gaunt, July 12, 2009 at 8:51 pm Link to this comment

I don’t know if either one is “Dominionist” but it doesn’t matter if they carry out what they want. I don’t know of any scientists who aren’t religious who are of the “Dominionist” mien but you can tell me? The 60% who aren’t religious I mean. They aren’t in charge. Some of them may have ideas that are draconian to keep us from becoming extinct but that is another subject.

It seems you just dole out that identifier to me to see if I will bite. I guess I am a light weight to you just to play with for fun. But then after your exhaustive research of three whole articles we are even with my research on going since 1990. I am humbled by your superior acumen.

You can also check out the http://www.mff.com/ to see the inroads they are making into our armed forces. It isn’t secular scientists who are few and definitely not in power. So try again OzarkMichael. Remember they will never call themselves “Dominionist” to your face.

Which rules OzarkMichael, the Bill of Rights/Constitution or the Bible in this gov’t? Do you think that JHVH will return when the world is made right for him first or when the 7 seals are broken and 7 trumpets blare and 7 vials are poured out? I am interested in your response.

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By OzarkMichael, July 12, 2009 at 4:13 pm Link to this comment

Dr. Francis Collins is in Health and Human Services and he is one of the 40% that believes in God too among his scientist peers. He wrote a book in 2006 on “The Language of God” which is some reading. Truthdig looked at it in 2006. Go to it to read the review. It is scathing and stinging.

As usual, I went off to the referenced article above, ready to be stung and scathed.

I saw the picture of the cross inside the double helix. I can see why that would make you nervous.

Other than that it was a yawner.

Sam Harris doesnt agree with Dr Collins’ conclusion that there is a God. Thats what it boils down to. Its ok if you are impressed with Sam Harris(I am not). What is not clear is why you brought it up at all.

In your mind Collins is more dangerous than Holdren. For the life of me i cant see why. Except that Collins is an evangelical Christian. Does that prove that he is a Dominionist? Does he know that he is a Dominionist? Or is he a pawn of someone else? I bet thats it.

Please explain why Collins is more dangerous than Holdren.

I havent read Dr Collin’s book but I will if you think it will help. i have already read one by Sam Harris. He is an intellectual lightweight. Dawkins is much better.

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By John Hanks, July 12, 2009 at 3:32 pm Link to this comment
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Crooks and their suckers are never free.

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By OzarkMichael, July 12, 2009 at 3:14 pm Link to this comment

Night Gaunt: I can see where such ideas are needed out of necessity. Though no one would give up their sovereignty to reproduce no matter the long term damage it will and has done.

Holdren would make us all slaves. He is in a powerful position. You barely blink.

Why do you call Haldren a Dominionist?

Many of the elements of your Dominionist conspiracy theory exist in Holdren’s plan. Except his motivation is Leftist ideology instead of Rightist. And the alter he would sacrifice our freedoms on is scientific instead of religious. He wants ecological instead of moral purity. But the methods are similar!

I have had many years of scientific education and I know these people very well. I know what they want and I know how they think. You meet them in universities and post graduate education. But now they are in high places in our government. The fact that it doesnt bother you means that you dont get it yet.

If you like i can try to compare Religious Dominionists to Scientific Dominionists. Maybe you could try to help do this?

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By Night-Gaunt, July 12, 2009 at 3:02 pm Link to this comment

Dr. Francis Collins is in Health and Human Services and he is one of the 40% that believes in God too among his scientist peers. He wrote a book in 2006 on “The Language of God” which is some reading. Truthdig looked at it in 2006. Go to it to read the review. It is scathing and stinging.

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By hippie4ever, July 12, 2009 at 1:38 pm Link to this comment

From the comments here I think it’s safe to say that many do favor it. I wonder if we truly had a first American revolution but that’s esoteric and slightly off-topic.

I believed there was going to be a second revolution in the early 1970s. People had lost faith in their elected officials, the Vietnam war dragged mindlessly on, Watergate, a recession, a growing sense of hopelessness, a diminishing standard of living, people living completely off-the-grid.

But along came co-option under Reagan and a faux populism and the next decade was eventually prosperous for the educated classes. It was driven by technological innovation: the VCR, the PC, DVD, DVD-R.

Expect more bells & whistles from the corporatist establishment in the coming years; more crap we can’t live without, except it will be slanted “green.” As for freedom, our rulers are rather stupid and allow us to read pretty much what we want. We should count our blessings, I guess.

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By John Hanks, July 12, 2009 at 7:53 am Link to this comment
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America is just a bunch of crooks, suckers, and lazy cowards, just as in colonial times.  I’m betting on maybe a fresh bunch of crooks with a lot of suckers.
Suckers are never free.

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By Night-Gaunt, July 11, 2009 at 8:44 pm Link to this comment

I can see where such ideas are needed out of necessity. Though no one would give up their sovereignty to reproduce no matter the long term damage it will and has done. Why do you call Haldren a Domninionist? It isn’t as if he is in Health and Human services now is he? That plan is draconian and desperate. Too late now anyway. Better to just put it in the water supply en mass. Doesn’t seem to be working either now is it? I don’t know anything about Haldren’s religious and corporate affiliations to know just what he is. Can you give more data? Since the Domninionists are against birth control but war is okay with them in all its aspects. So is slavery. Whatever happens is destined to happen the way they as Calvanists see it.

Nature will cull us since we won’t control ourselves. We have the intelligence but not the collective will and empathy to do it. Euthenics is the way. Better life through a better environment. How about taxing children? The fewer you have the less tax you pay. If you have none then no child tax. Adopt? Then you get dividens as long as you treat them well. If caught they are taken away and you pay a stiff penalty. How does that sound?

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By arthuradze, July 11, 2009 at 7:15 pm Link to this comment

I’m not sure why Mr. Hedges tries to paint all these folks as angry right-wing white guys . Across the spectrum , many are realizing that Obama is not only continuing , he’s in fact escalating much of the Bush administration’s policies . This can only happen if the real power in this country ( what Mr. hedges calls ‘the machine’ ) is controlling both sides .

Succumbing to the emotional reflex of turning this issue into a left/right duality, or implying that somehow racism is involved for not agreeing with Obama , can only have a detrimental effect on all of us and delay the understanding of the real problems . I do agree with Hedges that violence is not the answer , for that will only supply more pretexts -  however , at what point will he put down the latte’  ?

For me, the fact that many of the past presidential advisors ( be it during republican or democratic administrations ) like Zbig Brzezinski ,Kissinger and those individuals that encouraged the merging of corporations and government like David Rockefeller , have actively called for a soviet style world government makes me at least consider that they are now attempting to do just that .

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By Arthur Adze, July 11, 2009 at 3:13 pm Link to this comment
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I am not sure why Mr Hedges tries to paint this as a right-wing white guy thing . His remarks later in the clip are very similar to the opinions of some of the people that he seemingly treats with contempt .

I do agree that violence is not the answer ,at least not presently , for it will only escalate an already tense situation - his remark was something like ” that’s what the ‘machine’ wants .”

I agree with that , yet wish to ask…“at what point is he willing to put down his latte’ ” ?

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By ThomasG, July 11, 2009 at 1:56 pm Link to this comment

Destructive Political Sophistry Must Be Defined As A High Crime

Political destruction of the communal wealth of the nation for minority interests of greed by allowing organized political sophists to masquerade as legitimate political movements is the dilemma of both the Republican Party and to a lesser degree the Democratic Party that presently exists in the United States.

Political sophistry must be defined by law as a high crime, a felony, that is punishable by death or life imprisonment, death for greater offenses and life imprisonment for lesser offenses; political sophistry that resulted in the collapse of the economy, as is the current case in the United States has ramifications that are a threat to the National Security, and to the greater majority of the people of the nation that are much greater than the death of a single person, and must be punished more severely than just for the death of a single individual.

The RIGHT-WING CONSERVATIVE EXTREMIST REPUBLICAN MOVEMENT is a movement of political sophists, the results of the political sophistry of this movement, and the people involved as sophists in the RIGHT-WING CONSERVATIVE EXTREMIST REPUBLICAN MOVEMENT from the time of Goldwater through Reagan, Bush I and Bush II are all known, and the results of their political sophistry is known, can be collected as proof of intent and used to execute and imprison the responsible political sophists as an example to political sophists in the future; we as a nation must have the resolve to make this happen.

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By OzarkMichael, July 11, 2009 at 1:25 pm Link to this comment

Night-Gaunt, I want to know your opinion about these passages written by a person high in the US government. Probably you have already read it since you keep up on Dominionism. 

The Planetary Regime might be given responsibility for determining the optimum population for the world and for each region and for arbitrating various countries’ shares within their regional limits. Control of population size might remain the responsibility of each government, but the Regime would have some power to enforce the agreed limits.

...
The development of a long-term sterilizing capsule that could be implanted under the skin and removed when pregnancy is desired opens additional possibilities for coercive fertility control. The capsule could be implanted at puberty and might be removable, with official permission, for a limited number of births.
...

If this could be accomplished, security might be provided by an armed international organization, a global analogue of a police force. Many people have recognized this as a goal, but the way to reach it remains obscure in a world where factionalism seems, if anything, to be increasing. The first step necessarily involves partial surrender of sovereignty to an international organization.

All quotes are from a book called

ECOSCIENCE
Population Resourses Environment

coauthored by Paul Erlich, Anne Erlich and John Holdren 

Yes, John Holdren. The very person who Barack Obama has recently appointed as Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, Assistant to the President for Science and Technology, and Co-Chair of the President’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology—which is informally known as the United States’ Science Czar.

Coincidence? I think not.

Join me in demanding that this vile Dominionist be fired immediately. And Barack Obama needs to be impeached for being part of this conspiracy.

As Night Gaunt said, “The thing about conspiracies is that rarely are they secret and even more rarely are those under the top leadership know what is going on or the full reasons behind them.”

Which means Joe Biden can stay. Because anyone can see that he doesnt know anything.

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By Night-Gaunt, July 11, 2009 at 11:06 am Link to this comment

You didn’t impress me with your research as to which articles or how you dissected them. Fear is not what I am about. Vigilance isn’t paranoia. The thing about conspiracies is that rarely are they secret and even more rarely are those under the top leadership know what is going on or the full reasons behind them. Need to know and compartmentalization are keys to it. Like planning a military siege.

Try http://www.chalcedon.com and hear it from one of the architects of it. R. J. Rushdoony and those who follow and believe he was right. Another is “The Family” by Jeff Sharlet who are deep into our gov’t and its psychophants. If you don’t believe it then it isn’t true. The best kind of camouflage.

*persiflage- frivolous talk or writing.

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By OzarkMichael, July 11, 2009 at 8:48 am Link to this comment

Night Gaunt said: Your tactic is peruel as I would expect from someone uninterested in research.

A few months ago Night Gaunt said that I didnt understand the danger of Dominionism, so I cheerfully researched it. Because in college as a Fundamentalist Christian, I was constantly being told that my views were a product of ignorance, and so I eagerly searched and read a great deal in order to catch up to the enlightened ones. No matter how much i learned it was never enough…

So in this case I cheerfully went to Night Gaunt’s website of choice on this matter and dissected 3 articles. I did a critique of those articles for you, Night Gaunt. The name of the site was “talk2action” or something like that. Do you remember?


Create a silly name then run with it without any real refutation or criticism. Just calling names as so much persiflage. Cheap, faulty and useless.

If my tactic is ‘peruel’, its because I have never met a ‘persiflage’ I didnt like. Whether my post was ‘useless’ or not remains to be seen.

Night Gaunt, your fear is enough to make you ignore how misleading the articles are on that website, and keeps you from exploring the myriad of facts which would counter the belief system you are running on. Answer me this: If the gigantic Dominionist conspiracy is really true, why do the articles exaggerate and falsify? Does the truth need to recruit fibs and lies in order to make its point?

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By Howie Bledsoe, July 11, 2009 at 4:35 am Link to this comment
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I reckon that the US government would LOVE a militia to engage with it. They could then really demonize all gun owners as “terrorist whack jobs who hate the USA and our way of life.” Carte blanche for collecting the guns from every citizen, regardless of personal political ideology. I think alot of this is being nurtured by the military industrial complex, they want you guns, and want them badly. Provoking these types of people to come out of the woodwork will help them to accurately pinpoint where the guns and ammo are being stockpiled, and more importantly, to find these potential “threats” and break these groups down before they can organize themselves too well.

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By StuartH, July 11, 2009 at 12:36 am Link to this comment

Chris Hedges has worked very hard for a very long time digging into some areas that not a lot of people have the stomach for even considering.  Very respectable body of work.  He is doing what a lot of people complain that the media doesn’t do enough of: real in depth journalism.

A lot of the comments here seem to reflect that there are a great many people who like to get really grungy with deliciously dark stuff and wallow in it rather than reading with any depth.  It is easier. 

The great issues of our day are not easy to solve.  That is why they are issues.  Most people who run for elective office believe in facing reality and taking on responsibility,  not sitting around and getting spooky.  I have a lot of respect for people who pitch in and work hard to master the complexities of issues, even though I may disagree with them.  There are lots of citizens who burn the late night oil in order to work through difficult problems.  Most of them are not interested in blogging or wasting much time discussing stuff with people who are not patient enough to take responsibility seriously. 

The muscle heads with guns will never solve anything because they choose not to.  They see reality through the lens of being too emotional and too impatient to sit still long enough to actually reach the level of mastery necessary to just be citizens.  It is unfortunate, but non-thinking and know-nothingism are all too popular.

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By Night-Gaunt, July 10, 2009 at 9:17 pm Link to this comment

Yes in the sea of conspiracies what is another one? Rome fell over 500 years and in two parts. The Christian one fell before the Pagan one did.

Your tactic is peruel as I would expect from someone uninterested in research. Create a silly name then run with it without any real refutation or criticism. Just calling names as so much persiflage. Cheap, faulty and useless. These people don’t advertise themselves in the obvious way. But reading and listening to them will tell you volumes of what they really are after. I do not come by what I say lightly and with just a whim. There was an attempted revolution in this country in 1934. Look it up. Not in your text books, nicknamed the “Business Coup” and see what you find. Ever see what “Dominionism” shows up when you use a search engine? [Hint: FDR did not punish them and it comes back to haunt us because of that.]

I don’t expect to convince you or anyone with the little bits I give. It started after I read the book and saw the movie, “The Handmaid’s Tale” (1986,1990) and I wanted to see what I could find in my own research that she did and the threat posed to our republic. It is even worse now than it was in the 1990’s.

Also read the one article about “Making Christian Soldiers” here at TruthDig where they are turning our military into warriors for Christ. We are being hit high and low and from all sides so we can’t concentrate on what is being done to us so systematically and with malice of fore thought. It is real and their long term plan is nearly complete in its phase to make us an empire internally.

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By OzarkMichael, July 10, 2009 at 7:49 pm Link to this comment

Night Gaunt says: What we need is a counter revolution to the one going on now since 1934 to end the republic and replace it with a corporate theocracy.

The above sentence proves that for every right wing whacko there is a left wing whacko. Just as you might think Rush limbaugh inflames the prejudices of the Right, I see that Chris Hedges inflames the prejudices of the Left. But lets play along…

More by Night Gaunt: They are nearly complete in they labors. Notice the economy lately? It didn’t happen by accident or negligence but by design.

Yeah, we Christian Fascists are taking the whole thing down just for kicks.


You can call them Dominionists but they go under many names and don’t all fully agree on all things.

The name of my Dominionist group is “The Screaming Purple Barneys”. Some of us agree fully on a few things while most of us dont all fully agree on all things. But it is hard to know for sure since we have all taken a vow of silence.


However they agree that the rest of us are the enemy and need to be converted or killed or rendered as un-people good enough as slaves in their new shining city on a hill of skulls they want.

The Screaming Purple Barneys already have dibs on the condo property in the future Shining Hill of Skulls Resort beside Lake Tahoe. We plan to render Night Gaunt into an un-person. He shall then be good enough to pour our soft drink of choice. The 7-up shall flow like a river.


They are very close to bringing down the remains of our republic.

Well, give us some time. Rome wasn’t pillaged in a day.

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By rollzone, July 10, 2009 at 7:20 pm Link to this comment

hello. fringe racists can fire the first shot at themselves and see if that solves their problem. staging a population sit-in at the senate, after carrying out on rails the misrepresenters; and conducting a tea party while disrupting government: is our history, of tar and feathering less-than-approval rated politicians. it occurs naturally overnight, when they cross the line, and hurt too many citizens. overtaxation and misrepresentation are only soundbites until 40% of the population is unemployed and we are truly depressed. let’s just vote the childish grown people out of office, with real votes that we can see counting, in real elections; with real choices, that will get real results. does anybody else want a flat 4% tax rate?

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By StuartH, July 10, 2009 at 5:03 pm Link to this comment

The colonial era hats are meant to invoke a linkage to the founders of the Republic.  Ironically, the people wearing them don’t seem to have any real consciousness of what the symbolism they are adopting really means.  First of all, these modern “revolutionaries” are really tories.  That term refers to people in alignment with the conservative position at the time - mostly pro-British and anti-revolution.

Most of these people could not adequately analyze the question “what will the morning after the revolution look like?”  You can’t shoot the complex realities that our Constitutional system must deal with in a time where the population is as large as it is.  Mostly this is about white people with a fantasy that the world can return to some prior time when things weren’t as complex (and where there were not so many minorities) - a time that, in reality, actually never existed. 

What we are also seeing in these videos is the decline of the educational system.  People who graduate from high school may not be able to critically reason or to even read at an adequate level, compared to 30 years ago.  The people in the video seem to exemplify this as they don’t seem to be able to question beyond the depth of a bumpersticker slogan or a talk radio meme.  If we see much more decline, we may see these people as more numerous and therefore mainstream.

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By shantonu, July 10, 2009 at 4:18 pm Link to this comment

Hate to go on about the hats, but apparenly, you have to wear funny hats. Notice that all the kooky anti-immigrant “patriots” and tax resisters are wearing funny Uncle Sam or Tricorne hats. Just like both groups of these fools:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOZbdKLY3Lk&feature=related

There’s nothing like wearing a funny hat to make your political position that much more outlandish.

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By shantonu, July 10, 2009 at 3:59 pm Link to this comment

This video is pretty dumb. I mean there’s just a handful of people. There are the same number of folk who stand out in Times Square screaming about how “the original Jew were BLACK!” Right down to the silly hats and costumes. This is just silly freakout porn for liberals.

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By Democracydiva, July 10, 2009 at 3:25 pm Link to this comment
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The following is an interview with Dr. Robert Bowman conducted by Alex Jones. I come from the left, so at times I don’t relate to Jones’ style and anti-tax views but I agree with him on numerous issues.

Interview in four parts with Dr. Robert Bowman: America is Artificially Divided

http://www.911blogger.com/node/20592

The elites consider everyone a terrorist…left or right… who question the events of 9/11/01.

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By KDelphi, July 10, 2009 at 2:30 pm Link to this comment

Capitalism, as has been shown, cannot be “managed” it is a morally basnkrupt philsophy.

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By coloradokarl, July 10, 2009 at 2:04 pm Link to this comment

SPEND NOTHING!!!  STARVE THE BEAST!! TAKE BACK AMERICA

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By Smacktalker, July 10, 2009 at 1:45 pm Link to this comment
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shift, coloradokarl, and others, these same “starve the beast” kinds of tactics have been around for decades and have not produced the outcome you describe. The fact is more people are needed to make something like this effective, and there just aren’t enough citizens interested or engaged in that kind of lifestyle for it to work. For years and years I have watched progressives try to turn others on to this kind of thing, and it never has made a big enough dent to turn the tide.

Either face the fact that as a tactic for bringing about change this is a non-starter, or be prepared to live the rest of your life in a US that stays on its current course. I, for one, am not prepared for that and would like to see different ideas for once.

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By Sepharad, July 10, 2009 at 12:52 pm Link to this comment

Maybe if we put the entire health care system on “non-profit” status, and doctors on salary as well as techs running the high-cost equipment (also as non-profit testing centers), we might save enough money to actually pay for universal, mandated, high-quality healthcare. (Non-profit healthcare systems and salaried doctors are nowhere in any of the health plans slinking along through Congress. And without non-profit everything as well as salaried, not piece-work, doctors, none of the proposed systems are going to work unless they bankrupt the country.) Just a thought. If we are going to have another revolutions, we might as well be healthy. In fact, getting the right healthcare might lessen pressure for revolution. On the other hand, we can’t expect the people making all the money from delivering health care to quietly give up their vast profits so progressives may find themselves in the position of quashing the revolt of health profiteers. Just as we’re learning how hard it is to squelch financial profiteers.

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By KDelphi, July 10, 2009 at 12:40 pm Link to this comment

I agree with Ryussian Paul—I understand what they are saying. They have the solutions wrong, but they have some of the problems percisely correct. I am not certain what the “solution” is, but, militias of ex-marines vs current Marines is a recipe for disaster—or civil war, which may happen anyway.

There is a plan for the US dividing up, and it wouldnt involve violence and could be a good thing…break up the corporate state. Not all are “neo-con states rights” group, either (like some in Texas, New Hsmpshire, etc.) Many would be considered “on the Left”, like some in Hawaii, Vermont and the Conch Republic of the
Fla Keys…
“Libertarian Socialists (Anarcho-Socialists)” who have an opposition to both capitalism and Marxism—“several libertarian socialists, notably Noam Chomsky, believe that anarchism shares much in common with certain variants of Marxism such as the council communism of left-wing Marxist Anton Pannekoek. In Chomsky’s “Notes on Anarchism”, he suggests the possibility “that some form of council communism is the natural form of revolutionary socialism in an industrial society. It reflects the intuitive understanding that democracy is severely limited when the industrial system is controlled by any form of autocratic elite, whether of owners, managers and technocrats, a ‘vanguard’ party, or a state bureaucracy.”

Of course, doing something to fix the Third World conditions that so many here now live under and GAWD KNOWS we cant RAISE TAXES!...what did you expect??!! Send these guys off to fight as poor man’s war, and now youre spreading it to Af-Pak and he comes home to—WHAT?!

If you ask me the militias worrking for the uS govt (Triple Canopy, Xe, DynCorp) would like nothing better. A govt vs mnilitia war is a horrible thing to contemplate and who knows what would come of it…

StuartH—The very things you are pointing out, are things that You and I ASKED some of these men to be, in order that you and I could sit at home and run our air conditioning, while he fought so-called “wars”. He is muscular, thinks with his gut, because WE taught him to “not think” but to kill.. and war taught him to survive. Then, he comes home and, sure “evolution” takes over, but evolution has not been a purveyor of “brains”, so much as braun and the willingness to leave one’s moral code behind for a military one…it is Social Darwinism.

It is an exitential crisis, as Hedges say. The “
answer” , of course, would be to STOP the EMPIRE and never have had this man have to learn to kill to make a living in the first place.

It is far too simple (not to mention insulting) to say that he was only “cut out for factory work”.The “middle class” factory worker was part of a misguided bubble. Never coming back. It is an unsustainable life. Most of the ‘stuff’ made in factories is unncecessary and deadly to this planet.


The US economy does NOT need to “recover”—it needs to be comkpletely made over.
If you give this man no other choices, he has no reason to “re-incorporate into society”.

He has identifioed the enemy—-but the means he intends to use, while, wrong, should not be surprising…look at what he was asked to do…he now identitifes more with Al Quaeda than he does you—-I think you know why?

He “understands” the suicide bombers, in countries we occupy. Thats what you guys asked him to do. Now you want him to “put it all down” and go work at Wal mart…good luck…its the same thing that the govt (and many in society) did to Vietnam vets (many were not voluntaRY of course, but, now we have, what amounts to an “economic draft”—US always has), but asking them to accept the same fate as many Vietnam Vets , we would do so at our own peril. NOt to mention our collective conscience, if we still have one.

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By Spektor, July 10, 2009 at 12:28 pm Link to this comment

HARK - “I disagree with Chris Hedges’ characterization of corporatism as “evil.”  It just is.  It’s a mindless beast, without heart or soul, that is gobbling up the world, while concentrating wealth and resources in the hands of the few.  There’s no insidious plot, no evil intent to control the world.  It’s just how capitalism works, if left to itself, if unmanaged.  It doesn’n have to be this way, but it has corrupted our government, which is now nothing but an enabler, powerless or unwilling to stop it. “

I don’t think you really understand corporatism. You make it seem like some autonomous entity like the weather.  It is not a ‘mindless beast’ because there are minds behind it. Corporations don’t exist on their own, people have to create them. People run corporations, corporations don’t run themselves.

But you are right when you say that is how capitalism works, when unmanaged.  And our government is unwilling to stop this power/money grab by the coporatocracy because so many of our seated politicians have financial stake in the same corporations that lobby them for votes.

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By godistwaddle, July 10, 2009 at 11:58 am Link to this comment

The poor, white, black, hispanic, southern, new england, all must join to get rid of the oligarchy, the plutocrats, who threaten us all with peonage.  If I were a believer, I’d thank god for the 2d amendment.  We might have to resort to fertilizer and diesel and to hunting rifles, but the U.S. is huge, with many places suitable for guerrila warfare.

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By StuartH, July 10, 2009 at 11:22 am Link to this comment

Having been involved in a lot of local politics, I think a main problem is that local news media have been misrepresenting reality to people for decades.  When people can create groups that are aimed at promoting their interests, they can get better information from first hand involvement.  However, when you study the way the community participates, election after election, you see that most of the public is out beyond the networking activity of all these groups in all dimensions of the political spectrum.

For most of the public, the only way to understand what is going on is some sort of superstition.  You see that in these videos.  Most of these people have no sort of patience for actual political involvement.  They have no knowledge of and actually fear the truth.

The truth is that our society is so complex that each issue you can name comes with the need for a Masters Degree level of grasp.  What these people seem to think is that you can shoot this complexity. 

Clearly, it is frustrating.  But look at these people.  They are white and appear to be muscle-oriented.  Most likely they would do well in jobs that require the sort of skills that well paid factory workers can get the benefit of.  But, if the best paying jobs of the industrial era have been shipped overseas or have morphed into some sort of information service careers involving a whole different mindset as well as education, what are they going to do?

Hedges is right to observe that this frustrated potential is dangerous.  It is the Republicans who set these people up.  But they never had a plan for following through.  That is the New World Order.  Screw the worker and don’t have a plan except to retire behind strong gates and walls. 

Obama and the Democratic Congress have a hell of a job to do in order to deal with all the pigeons coming home to roost after Reagan and two Bushes.  I hope they can manage.  If not, these people might well wind up deciding things through force and they really don’t know what they want.  History has, in the past, turned on such things.  Great potential for progress has been lost time and time again through just such idiocy set loose. Most people think with their gut, not their heads.

Evolution may eventually create a wiser body politick, but that may require hundreds, if not thousands of years. 

Imagine one of these guys in the White House.  Probably it would not be more than a few days before they lost their temper and decided nuking somebody was the answer.  Then we would be in a Mad Max world for probably thousands of years.  These people would be in the continual war where persecution is the everyday reality that they dream of. They don’t have the patience to comprehend the Constitution.  None of them have read any part of it and have no idea what they are talking about.  They in fact are proposing to burn it and go back to pre-Magna Carta Europe.

We need to work through our civic options to make sure that this scenario is kept under control.  It is just under the surface.

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By hark, July 10, 2009 at 8:51 am Link to this comment
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The militants depicted in this film are delusional in the sense that they perceive “1984” as the model for what’s eating away at our middle class, rather than a “Brave New World” corporatism, and that’s very dangerous.  There is no political “New World Order,” but there is a corporate globalism which is simply pushing aside, obsoleting, subsuming traditional political entities without any conspiratorial effort.  It’s just happening, as these corporations gain more and more economic power around the world, and as nations cede more and more of the “people’s” resources to them.  Privatization.

I disagree with Chris Hedges’ characterization of corporatism as “evil.”  It just is.  It’s a mindless beast, without heart or soul, that is gobbling up the world, while concentrating wealth and resources in the hands of the few.  There’s no insidious plot, no evil intent to control the world.  It’s just how capitalism works, if left to itself, if unmanaged.  It doesn’n have to be this way, but it has corrupted our government, which is now nothing but an enabler, powerless or unwilling to stop it.

These militants are just way out in left field. They have no clue, and they are dangerous.  They think the government, the public sector, is their enemy.  The public sector is disappearing, it’s being eaten up by the private sector, taken over like those seedpod people in “Invasion of the Body Snatchers.”  They don’t see that.

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By rockinrobin, July 10, 2009 at 8:49 am Link to this comment
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Liberty2009: you are right in that the Pres’s are “puppets”; the “changes” in the agendas for the next 4 years were put into place #1.by the Govenors, and St Congressmen: who “changed” “wrote” backdated “laws” and openly on televised town hall meeting said they should “delete” old laws; #2. One Senator snarled WE will decide WHICH changes are going to take PLACE! (c span which SHOWS how the nation is REALLY run instead of the “well rehearsed” roles just like “actors” in a “movie” for “public” perception; they stated: the PEOPLE must get a NEW MINDSET: while what they have to say is noted: THIS is the way it will BE! (as it always has been: this is NOT a DEMOCRACY folks; it is a CRIMINALLY RUN OPERATION with EXPLOITATION which is a CRIME the AGENDA of the ONE POLITICAL SYSTEM in the USA);
Wall St worked hand n hand with CONGRESS: just like the CORPS do; who have ALL been given “absolution” or IMMUNITY from any/all CHARGES: cuz it is CRIMINALLY RUN! They DELIGHT in figuring out how they HARM the PEOPLE MORE MORE MORE: for THEIR personal profit & THEIR personal GAIN;
They do NOT GIVE A RIP: about ANYTHING other than THEMSELVES, their GREED: the environment will probably NEVER recover; they are DELIBERATELY ATTACKING the WATER SUPPLY in the USA saying it “belongs to THEM, they have the RIGHT to do so; by THEM they are talking Halliburton, Monsanto, Dow, the Huge Food Conglomerates: “stockholders come FIRST: because THEY are the LARGEST STOCKHOLDERS! and THEY inflate PRICES just like they did on homes, lands, cars, insurance, etc; cuz the PEOPLE of the USA always & ever do NOTHING to OBJECT: thought they would have RIOTS when it was EXPOSED that THEY THEMSELVES have been working hard overtime to SCREW everyone in the USA; NOT SO! thought they might have riots when it was exposed that they gave illegals trillions while claiming “no money” to CITIZENS: not so; same with all the CHEMICALS to HARM and the worse than pig feed slop fed to the PUBLIC: not SO! THEY OWN the airwaves/TV & media: they GOT it all ILLEGALLY but the PEOPLE did NOTHING! The “do nothing” about the CORRUPT & CRIMINALLY RUN GOV except trot off to other countries so that THEY can be enslaved as well! THIS is the USA!~

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By herewegoagain, July 10, 2009 at 7:15 am Link to this comment
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I agree with Russian Paul that the Oathkeepers actually recognize some very valid points, and what’s more, points that are shared by others with differing political views.

The difference, of course, is that the Oathkeepers believe we’ve reached the point where only violence can make things right. A conclusion no doubt influenced by their time in the military.

Yet even among the militia people, there is infighting and differing politics, so let’s say they did come together for a time to revolt. Once the dust settled, those differing views would become front and center as they all fought over which direction to next take. A recipe for violence all over again…

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By carh8tr, July 10, 2009 at 6:22 am Link to this comment
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I have a question in all honesty because I can’t figure it out for myself.
How do we starve the Beast without starving ourselves? Do we all become self-sufficient somehow? Or do many of us have to “go away”. Because people will not starve to death quietly. At which point I guess we are back to this guy’s revolution.

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By AT, July 10, 2009 at 5:57 am Link to this comment
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Obama is no longer smiling nor is he so confident about his plan. So far he was concentrating on the financial sector and now they want more of OUR money. he HAS NOT done a thing about healthcare. He should get his priority straight, by bringing back the rule of law or facing fascism. What are you going to do if we pulled back all of our resources and left you naked and defenseless against enemies from within and without? Facing with that kind of threat, what are you going to do?

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By Jack Schitt, July 10, 2009 at 4:11 am Link to this comment

This is the best clip I’ve seen in ages. A bunch of dudes fresh from a war zone peaking out on PTSD, GWS and Christ knows what else; facing off with the US Government armed with nothing but the second amendment, fuck all for brains and fertilizer bombs.
As a very concerned member of the rest of the world, I have to ask;
Where the fuck can I get tickets? This is gonna be the best show on earth!
I got $5 on the nonpsychotic marines…
And I just signed up and read the terms of use so two points; firstly, I am neither condoning nor encouraging your little brouhaha with ‘Da Man, but I hate to miss a good show. I just wanna watch.
It’s gonna be a pisser.
Secondly If you think that three F-Bombs and two uses of the term “Pussy” is “Excessive Profanity” then you’re a fucking pussy.

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By Lobsterman, July 9, 2009 at 8:56 pm Link to this comment
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Most people don’t realize how terrified the corporate elite are of the recent increase in saving that many Americans are now practicing. We are still far from the critical mass necessary to register our outrage.  Fortunately, if people just stop buying bul**hit, these greedy bast**ds will probably do something really stupid and obvious that will show them for who they are. The country has been hijacked by Wall Street for profit and war.  They know how to work the system, but they will never work. Peace

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By Perspective from Canada, July 9, 2009 at 8:21 pm Link to this comment
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I know the US well and graduated from College there, but returned home to Canada. I love the US and its people.  But, guys, lighten up, the world is changing for everyone, and all of us have been contributing to this change.  Really, there’s no conspiracy, there are just different points of view.  America’s strength has been tolerance for a different point of view, a different way.  Even if some may be wrong, isn’t the only democracy worth having one in which we have the right to be wrong (in the eyes of some).

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By mcthorogood, July 9, 2009 at 7:44 pm Link to this comment

This video needs to be put up on a torrent tracker somewhere.  Anyone interested in political, social, or environment issues without other fluff, should visit http://onebigtorrent.org/.

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By Sepharad, July 9, 2009 at 4:11 pm Link to this comment

Hedges essentially summarizes the quandary we are in: violent revolution attempts will feed the beast, yet nonviolent inaction also is allowing the beast to grow stronger. And the face of the 2nd revolution, at least in this video, looked pretty uniformly pale. If we do not figure out a way to make at least a small amount of progress reversing the policies that continue to destroy the middle and working classes, and do it in an inclusive way (i.e. engaging and unifying all of our many minority racial and ethnic and religious groups—including vets), we’re going to end up caught somewhere between a rightwing separist/coup and a neolibneocon fascist oligarchy—both extremes heightened by the proliferation of conpiracy theories. One issue not addressed was the declining number of plain old reporters, newspeople, as the print news journalism shrinks just when single-perspective net opinionation is growing, magnifying and feeding a polarization that already exists.

I haven’t a clue how to do anything concrete to soften this empire’s decline or to empower and unite people arguing to make debate-type points rather than to build enough concesus to promote change and actually shape our leaders’ decisions.

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By Russian Paul, July 9, 2009 at 3:54 pm Link to this comment

What’s so scary about these folks? These “oathkeepers” have many good points, on US imperialism, on globalization/neoliberal policies, federal reserve, etc. These people know what time it is, but their views are skewed with ignorance and bigotry so their message gets distorted. People like Alex Jones, who is a fearmonger and an agitator, take valid topics and poisons them with bullshit.

These “oathkeepers” are awakening from their patriotic slumber and are disgusted and angered at how the US oligarchy is using them as pawns to further their imperialist goals. Good for them. The purpose of Jones and his ilk is to divert and mangle these messages so that a real revolution of sorts can’t be mobilized.

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By Gezelda, July 9, 2009 at 3:24 pm Link to this comment
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What to do?  Number 1:  Fund, and media promote positively, the efforts of nonviolent organizations like American Friends Service Committee, Fellowshiop of Reconciliation, Alternatives to Violence, Oxfam and many others who have projects going and can provide the kind of social and political education needed by people starving for ways to help the country and the world.  Number 2:  Improve public educatioin by teaching more geography, history, arts and creative thinking.  Number 3:  Stop preaching that the world is going to end, that killing is the only answer to problems, etc.  Number 4.  Improve “talk radio” by getting rid of the sensationalists now using the air waves to spread fear and slander and cynicism. all the time calling their programs “news.”  Number 5.  Demand that media give equal time and space to various points of view, and creative possibilities, not just echoing “government issue” or “politically correct” views.  Etc. etc.  Millions of people are working at all of the above every day, without publicity. Number 6.  Help returning veterans reintigrate.

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By Liberty2009, July 9, 2009 at 12:50 pm Link to this comment
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The truth is, what is being done in this country and people waking up and seeing what is really happening is not about black or white or any of the other countless imagined differences we try to create or label… There is a rift growing, there is no conspiracy (but if we deal with the actual definition of the word I suppose there is) if you open your eyes to see whats actually happening, to see how the few have for very long ruled the many and that there is an agenda…

Nothing happens on the global level, be it war or economics by accident or without the knowledge of those in control…and its not the puppet politicians like Bush or Obama who make anything happen, they do as they are told…

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By purplewolf, July 9, 2009 at 12:50 pm Link to this comment

Night-Gaunt:“about replacing the current republic with a corporate theocracy?” Let’s hope not. We certainly would be disposed of, the majority of us anyway, as not everyone falls into the category of sheeple who can or will be converted into subservient peons to the ultra-rich desires.

Hoka-Hey-it is a good day to die.

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By Alejandro, July 9, 2009 at 11:11 am Link to this comment
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A call to arms for White America is it; A message to those soldiers that advocate this nonsense. You are treading on thin ice. Treason is a very serious endevor. One other thing, when it comes to military expertise, you might want to remember that there are many if not more non-white highly trained American’s, ex-military and active that have those same insurgency and counter-insurgency skills. So, beware of what you advocate.

I am an American Fighting man. Don’t threaten me or my family. One more thing, I despised Bush and his cabal, and the Obama administration is on shakey ground with me as well.

I don’t mind saying, I am very fearfull of this type of talk.

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By richard roe, July 9, 2009 at 10:03 am Link to this comment
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I’m all for this guy picking up a gun ‘cause he can’t feed his family, but ONLY if he goes hunting and puts a friggin’ meal on the table that way. 

What a spineless whiner! 

The settlers of this country didn’t bitch about the high prices at the supermarket, they took responsibility and made things happen rather than pointing fingers and blaming others.

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By Night-Gaunt, July 9, 2009 at 9:57 am Link to this comment

What we need is a counter revolution to the one going on now since 1934 to end the republic and replace it with a corporate theocracy. They are nearly complete in they labors. Notice the economy lately? It didn’t happen by accident or negligence but by design. You can call them Dominionists but they go under many names and don’t all fully agree on all things. However they agree that the rest of us are the enemy and need to be converted or killed or rendered as un-people good enough as slaves in their new shining city on a hill of skulls they want.  They are very close to bringing down the remains of our republic.

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By hippie4ever, July 9, 2009 at 9:47 am Link to this comment

How to starve the vicious beast eating our hearts, minds, souls…

Avoid shopping as usual; avoid panic buying, lol.

If you still have access to a library use it instead of patronizing bookstores. If you must buy something, buy from an independent seller.

Grow some of your own food; buy the rest in bulk where it’s cheaper. Grow some of your own bud or try making homemade beer—it’s cheaper & fairly easy—and you know what went into the brew.

Wear out your clothes. Buy generic products. Attend free events; instead of buying a ticket to an outdoor concert, consider cycling and hanging outside the venue. Listening is free.

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By Kay Johnson, July 9, 2009 at 9:17 am Link to this comment

“At least this guy has it right about our Mid East hegemony.”—Ruebenesque

This young man sounded so completely disillusioned!

The alienation and anger depicted in the video is quite frightening, but not so surprising! However, I had no idea that there were so many militias forming across the country.

Chris Hedges is right, at least in my mind, that “the machine wants violence because it justifies further repression.” 

I agree that starving the beast is a good idea, and an important idea. However, how do we organize, and what is the actual plan? Do we, like in the 1960s, boycott certain products?

In order to really starve the beast, ‘we the people,’ the citizens of this country, would have to, nearly completely, quit consuming for a period of time—more than just two or three days—that is, if we want to be effective.

And, it could also mean not making payments to credit card companies, health insurance plans, etc. Otherwise, they won’t even notice—the corporations are international—as all of you know.

In other words, the effort would have to be big enough that the corporations sit up and take note that the money isn’t flowing in from the masses. On the other hand, as unemployment grows, people won’t be able to consume much of anything. I, myself, have been in this situation for a couple of years, with no end in sight.

In addition, for the most part, I agree with rockinrobin’s post. Fascism has already arrived. In fact, within the past two or three years, both Chris Hedges and Naomi Wolf wrote books about Fascism coming to the United States, explaining the markers, and how some/many of those markers were already in place at the time they wrote the books.

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By sharonsj, July 9, 2009 at 8:24 am Link to this comment
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I don’t think Congress understand just how much anger there is in this country from every spectrum.  I have been furious with them, and with all big-business CEOs, so much so that I wish they were dead.  And I am a liberal Democrat!  So imagine how angry the right must be.  But we aren’t doing enough to make that anger known; Republican tea parties won’t do it since they still exclude Dems, and the problem is NOT taxes but corruption.

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By Benjamin Teachout, July 9, 2009 at 6:29 am Link to this comment
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I did not even bother to watch. This freak already turned me off with those dumbo ears and Jed Clampet grin.

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By Lou, July 9, 2009 at 5:43 am Link to this comment
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This is a powerful video about what many people feel outside of the bullshit cocoon of New York and the New York Times.
When people tell others to “get a life” they are usually the ones without one…..

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By coloradokarl, July 9, 2009 at 5:23 am Link to this comment

Shift is right, starve the beast and it will wither and die….

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By Fred McDiarmond, July 9, 2009 at 4:33 am Link to this comment
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Good points Shift, the problem is that many Americans are already feeling a great deal of violence. Not the obvious kind where cops can swoop in and throw handcuffs and teargas, but the kind where economic desperation and loss have destroyed lives. Americans have been devasted by poverty, imprisoned by a industry blind to justice, marginalized, beaten down and left to die. Even more motivating, as I’m sure it is to these young guys, is the deep sense of loss that always pushes people to seek some kind of resolution, or peace.

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By rockinrobin, July 9, 2009 at 2:14 am Link to this comment
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Shift: what do you mean WILL make it FASCISM? it already IS! Besides THAT: it is a CORRUPT, CRIMINALLY RUN GOV: not even a 2 party system but ONE: & THEIR AGENDA IS ONE: which is to TARGET and HARM for PERSONAL PROFIT & GAIN!
FORGET the vision our forefathers had; PROPAGANDA is the SAME THING being repeatedly endlessly: to CAUSE you to BELIEVE LIES!
This nation is NOT FOR THE PEOPLE: it is AGAINST THEM: Let me explain: FAIR trade BENEFITS the PEOPLE and the ENVIRONMENT; FREE trade benefits NEITHER! It OPPRESSES the PEOPLE, SCREWS the ENVIRONMENT, and benefits: ONLY politicians & Corps;
Were you AWARE that you are not even RECOGNIZED nor do you have ANY RIGHTS WHATSOEVER in the USA until/unless you are a CORPORATION? And what good are LAWS if the “judicial” branch of the USA GOV REFUSES to ABIDE within ANY laws? and IGNORES them, CHANGES them, DELETES them, BACKDATES supposed “laws”, trade agreements, etc: and ERIC HOLDER (USAG) ASKED the JUDGES how he was supposed to do HIS JOB? When the JUDGES CALL to find out “how to rule” like Sottomeyer, in Mahr vs Ashcroft? and of course, is PROMOTED: just like OTHER CRIMINALS ARE;
Personal Accountability: is non existent for Congress, & all other ELECTED OFFICIALS: might as well FORGET USA: just name it Monsanto, Dow, Halliburton, Wall St works WITH Congress at RIPPING OFF the PEOPLE of the USA!
FORGET the “we will protect you”; WE the PEOPLE need PROTECTING from “elected” officials! There is not ONE SINGLE GOV AGENCY that is doing ANYTHING other than taking BIG MONEY (keeping it all at the top) SLAVERY: and NOW, the PEOPLE get to pay CORPORATION TAXES!
MONSANTO: Rumsfeld, Bush/Clinton; Rockefeller/Dow; ALL politicians OWN LARGE SUMS OF MONEY in these; they have POISONED the food chain; FORCED us to BUY from THEM: own large stocks in FOOD companies; they OWN PHARMA: all the “science” they claim is TRUE: is NOT. It has NOTHING to do with population control AT ALL: it has to do with them being able to count NINE HUNDRED TRILLION DOLLARS EACH AS POCKET CHANGE; it has to do with HILLARY C blowing $100,000,000.00 (ON LIVING LARGE & BEING IN CHARGE!); it has to do with THEM starting an ANTI MILITARY (USA) campaign; it has to do with CONCENTRATION CAMPS set up for AMERICANS: following Hitler’s AGENDA by POISONING( using FLORINE); and taking it ALL to the 10th LEVEL including TORTURE; SICK, SADISTIC, BORED beyond BELIEF cuz the PEOPLE are so STUPID!
WAKE UP AMERICANS! INFLATION is THEM: INFLATING PRICES for GREED ONLY! EXACTLY what the PREVIOUS Pres of SHELL CORP stated: the ONLY REASON gas prices are so high is to MAKE CERTAIN FOLKS WEALTHIER; and they do NOT pay taxes; YOU were never to have been TAXED; it is ILLEGAL for YOU to have to PAY taxes; yet it is ENFORCED by tyrants, bullies, and BACKED UP by a CORRUPT beyond belief JUDICIAL SYSTEM!
THERE IS NO WAR ON DRUGS: they are the VERY ONES bringing it INTO THE COUNTRY: you think they are going to lose a CENT to ANYTHING? anywhere anyplace anytime?
THINK any environmental laws are being OBSERVED? about as good as they did Congress laws, Laws of the USA, and international laws: they even DECLARED that “there ARE no international laws”;
BECAUSE THEY ARE LAWLESS!
http://www.publicintegrity.org: there is not ONE SINGLE Gov Agency doing what it is supposed to do; CSD files FALSE REPORTS in a “court of law” cuz “that is what we have to do”;
NO NATION would CONSIDER touching the “food” made in the USA or any other item: it is NOT China that is the PROBLEM with CHEMICALS: it is THE USA! (THAT MISINFORMATION is called PERCEPTION MANAGEMENT: flooding the MEDIA with FALSE reports: FALSE pictures, FALSE “science”;

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By Shift, July 9, 2009 at 12:31 am Link to this comment

Violence will bring further Government oppression.  The road to peaceful change is non-violent resistance.  The New Economy features simple more sustainable living and low consumption.  Low Consumption drains the lifeblood (money) from international corporations and weakens their influence on Government.  As more people join the new economy it bolsters localism and cooperation instead of competition and nationalism.  Unfortunately extremists want to project their political world view upon the rest of us.  They do not believe in Democracy but instead their interpretation of Democracy, both right and left.
Therein lies the danger.  Violent revolution will invite the institutionalization of Fascism in America.  Peaceful revolution will sustain both our freedom and our Democracy.  I do understand however how people who cannot feed their families will pick up a gun.  Unfortunately Fascism will prevail in a violent revolution.

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(Maybe it’s just me but doesn’t Chris’s image here recall the victimized writer from A Clockwork Orange?) 

The weak minded and empty national character that infects the heartland is an easy mark for the oligarchical media masters.  They prey on fear and give plenty of cause for it,  directing it elsewhere. 

Funny how most of what the militia folks say is true if you substitute the name Bush for Obama, not that Barack is any saint.  But he is probably the best this country is capable of electing.  Alas, no cigar;  not even close.

A hard rain’s comin’, drought and all.

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By BlueEagle, July 8, 2009 at 10:46 pm Link to this comment

...to protect and defend the Constitution form all enemies foreign and domestic.

Ron Paul is my president.

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By Sam, July 8, 2009 at 9:24 pm Link to this comment
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Racist? Maybe only in the intro provided by TD. Great perspective provided by Chris Hedges, especially at the end and at about 11 minutes about trash TV.

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By Uroboros, July 8, 2009 at 9:23 pm Link to this comment
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So, as Mr. Hedges says, “If we don’t kill the machine its going to kill us.” So how does he propose to stop it? Now I agree with the notion that the mili-industri-media complex wants nothing more than a violent response to justify further erosions of our civil liberties. All you have to do is look at what happened during the “battle in Seattle,” quoth Goodman.

So regardless, I am at a complete loss what to do. I think it was Orwell who decried the fact that we lost the ability to defend ourselves when we handed that job over to a standing army. And as Thoreau railed against such a threat to individual liberty, so to it is amply clear that this division of our government has begun to encroach politically and monetarily to a vast degree, with an annual budget close to a trillion dollars (without accounting for loans and supplementals).

So what pray-tell can we possibly do in the face of such an overwhelming force? A force that WE created via our lack of civil involvement and apathy… Talk about David and Goliath… And all the paint ball stars in the world won’t slack the pace of the sociopathic construct of commerce that American business has become—they’ll just grease the wheels.

Does anyone have a notion about a REAL general strike? Or a non-self-destructive, non-compliance day where just say we refuse to play anymore? Passive resistance anyone? Exit, stage right…

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By Kevin, July 8, 2009 at 8:48 pm Link to this comment
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Let me just say that the right wing thinks Obama is the most socialist president in history, and I, who voted for the man, think he’s too conservative. I’m sadly disappointed with his continually hawk like war policies, he’s treatment of gay rights, his bailout of the banks and his health care plan that doesn’t fix anything. So if the most liberal president in history is still a radical conservative, than just maybe revolution is the only way.

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By Jason!!, July 8, 2009 at 8:03 pm Link to this comment

Hedges- you suffer from severe white guilt.

content of this vid does not surprise me. There are plenty of nutcases in america.

Environmental nutcases, Ayers, Panthers? How about the gw bush haters or islamo fascists.

dont have to look far and suprise - they are not all white. you can get a life now.

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By Reubenesque, July 8, 2009 at 6:00 pm Link to this comment

At least this guy has it right about our Mid East hegemony.  Also did you get hints of racial overtones?

Funny he never mentions members of the administration that got 4300 of his brother soldiers killed by starting the Iraq/Afghanistan debacle.

Poisoned
Angry
Trigger happy
Racist
Ignorant
Obama-hating
Theorists of conspiracy

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