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Posted on Jul 3, 2009
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For the holiday weekend, the “Left, Right & Center” squad takes a good, hard look at the state of the economy: How did we get here? Who’s to blame? Can it be fixed? Argument, and even entertainment, ensues as Robert Scheer, Arianna Huffington, Matt Miller and Tony Blankley do their best to make sense of it all.

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By Flawed Human, July 7 at 1:53 pm #
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>> the stock market at its simplest is NOT a casino

That depends on what you invest in. 

If you invest in common stock, then you are correct.  Investment in common stock is not straight gambling, because the value of the asset (business) can be ascertained through a variety of legitimate methods, including straight appraisal, and the investment is in the assets of business itself.  If the business goes under, stockholders may be entitled to some compensation for their prior investment/support.

However, what if you invest in derivatives?  A derivative is just a “bet” that the value derived from the underlying asset will increase or decrease by a certain amount within a certain amount within a certain fixed period of time.  This is no different from betting that a particular horse will win or lose or come in a certain place on a certain day in a certain race.  Sure, there’s consideration of the value of the underlying asset (the horse), but nothing is actually OWNED in this case.  Its a gamble, pure and simple.

The same will be true for the latest version of derivatives, carbon credits.  What are carbon credits worth exactly?  Who decides how bad global warming is, or how extensive a particular company’s polution will be 5 years from now?  And if I purchase “insurance credit” against that “eventuality”, where’s the asset I own?  Again, its nowhere, mon frere.

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By JimBob, July 6 at 5:40 pm #

Tony, two things: the stock market at its simplest is NOT a casino.  It’s an opportunity for Americans to own a stake in American companies and an opportunity for American companies to raise money by sharing equity rather than taking on debt.  Stockholders have the right—even the obligation—to judge very carefully the value of their stocks based on a given company’s productivity and profitability, to buy and sell on that basis.  It’s not gambling unless you say everything is gambling because no one knows the future. 
Second: the argument that we were losing business to the rest of the world and thus had to de-regulate our financial industry doesn’t hold up.  We have pretty strict building codes in this country and when there’s an earthquake (I live in L.A., know what I’m talking about) not very many buildings fall down. In most other parts of the world, it’s much easier to put up a building, you don’t really need permission—but when there’s an earthquake, tens of thousands of people can be rendered homeless or dead in an instant.  Which system do you prefer?  Do we give up sensible regulation just because someone else has done so?
And equating the futures market wherein businesses smooth out the ups and downs of commodity prices—a market that admittedly has to be kept liquid by drawing in lots of players—with the super-abstract derivatives “market” that was many generations removed from any real product, is disingenuous in the extreme.  I have a hard time thinking Mr. Blankley actually believes what he’s saying in that respect.
As usual, Tony, your arguments and statements are purely ideology driven, and reality-free.

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By Jamey Hecht, July 4 at 3:46 pm #

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pPQTGcEEU0

Matt Miller is charming, suave, and cute. One does not want a genius up there, any more than one wants Reb Nachman of Bratslav to MC at a Bar Mitzvah, or a winner of the Fields Medal for Mathematics to help you with your SATs. It’s radio; depth would be an occupational hazard in his job. But when he goes on the road to tell us our problem is the tyranny of dead ideas, it gets a little cloying. Though my admiration for him is genuine, this recent little live recording featuring Mr. Miller and me shows that it need not translate into a shared tenancy in the cornucopian dream where infinite growth awaits us all on this finite planet, given sufficient Yankee pluck. Happy Fourth. And don’t be hatin’...

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By Rebecca Kingsley, July 4 at 3:00 pm #
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thank god for Robert Sheer. He’s the reason to listen to this. Matt, you do a good job of facilitating, but allow Tony to interrupt at the detriment of hearing anyone else’s pov.

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