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Posted on Jun 23, 2009

The president opened his Tuesday press conference by saying, “The United States and the international community have been appalled and outraged by the threats, the beatings, and imprisonments of the last few days. I strongly condemn these unjust actions… .”

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THE PRESIDENT:  Hello, everybody.  Good afternoon, everybody.  Today, I want to start by addressing three issues, and then I’ll take your questions.
 
First, I’d like to say a few words about the situation in Iran.  The United States and the international community have been appalled and outraged by the threats, the beatings, and imprisonments of the last few days.  I strongly condemn these unjust actions, and I join with the American people in mourning each and every innocent life that is lost.

I’ve made it clear that the United States respects the sovereignty of the Islamic Republic of Iran, and is not interfering with Iran’s affairs.  But we must also bear witness to the courage and the dignity of the Iranian people, and to a remarkable opening within Iranian society.  And we deplore the violence against innocent civilians anywhere that it takes place.

The Iranian people are trying to have a debate about their future.  Some in Iran—some in the Iranian government, in particular, are trying to avoid that debate by accusing the United States and others in the West of instigating protests over the election.  These accusations are patently false.  They’re an obvious attempt to distract people from what is truly taking place within Iran’s borders.  This tired strategy of using old tensions to scapegoat other countries won’t work anymore in Iran.  This is not about the United States or the West; this is about the people of Iran, and the future that they—and only they—will choose.

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The Iranian people can speak for themselves.  That’s precisely what’s happened in the last few days.  In 2009, no iron fist is strong enough to shut off the world from bearing witness to peaceful protests [sic] of justice.  Despite the Iranian government’s efforts to expel journalists and isolate itself, powerful images and poignant words have made their way to us through cell phones and computers, and so we’ve watched what the Iranian people are doing.

This is what we’ve witnessed.  We’ve seen the timeless dignity of tens of thousands of Iranians marching in silence.  We’ve seen people of all ages risk everything to insist that their votes are counted and that their voices are heard.  Above all, we’ve seen courageous women stand up to the brutality and threats, and we’ve experienced the searing image of a woman bleeding to death on the streets.  While this loss is raw and extraordinarily painful, we also know this:  Those who stand up for justice are always on the right side of history.

As I said in Cairo, suppressing ideas never succeeds in making them go away.  The Iranian people have a universal right to assembly and free speech.  If the Iranian government seeks the respect of the international community, it must respect those rights and heed the will of its own people.  It must govern through consent and not coercion.  That’s what Iran’s own people are calling for, and the Iranian people will ultimately judge the actions of their own government.

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By Robert, June 26, 2009 at 11:57 am Link to this comment

Michael Scheuer: “Obama Managed To Keep His Big Mouth Shut While Israelis Killed 1500 People In Gaza!”

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By Folktruther, June 25, 2009 at 8:25 pm Link to this comment

Way to go, Omop.  Scowcroft is a well connected big gop Security honcho, the Gop counterpart of Zbig.  He openly admits that there are CIA in Iran, with no embassy there for a disguise.  the people in power are not this open.

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By omop, June 25, 2009 at 12:31 pm Link to this comment

Is this a scoop or what.?

THE US HAS AGENTS IN IRAN!!!!. According to Brent Scowcroft.

“The US cannot do a great deal in regard to the tense situation in Iran”, Scowcroft said [AFP]

The US has intelligence agents in Iran but it is not clear if they are providing help to the protest movement there, a former US national security adviser has told Al Jazeera.

Brent Scowcroft said on Wednesday that “of course” the US had agents in Iran amid the ongoing pressure against the Iranian government by protesters opposed to the official result of its presidential election.

But he added that he had no idea whether US agents had provided help to the opposition movement in Iran, which claims that the authorities rigged the June 12 election in favour of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the incumbent president.

“They might do. Who knows?” Scowcroft told Josh Rushing for Al Jazeera’s Fault Lines programme.

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By dihey, June 25, 2009 at 10:57 am Link to this comment

On the eve of Iran’s Supreme Leader’s decision to suppress the demonstrations, Chris Matthews’ MSNBC guests argued that the SL had three choices. 1: agree to hold new elections. 2: continue the holding mode with the promise of some recounts. 3: use force. Their opinions demonstrated a gigantic lack of knowledge of Iran’s recent history. The consequences of options 1 and 2 might have been another “Mossadegh”. In 1953 Mossadegh refused to use force against the hired hooligans who set buildings and cars on fire in Tehran. He soon found himself arrested. The crackdown could have been predicted with absolute certainty.
The peaceful demonstrators of today are not hired hooligans. However, several TV reports showed clearly that some buildings, cars, and other objects were set on fire by what appeared to be a very tiny number of hooligans who were apparently hiding out among the peaceful demonstrators. Were they paid “agents provocateurs”? Paid by whom? The Mossad? 
The leaders of the peaceful demonstrations should have urged the demonstrators to arrest these hooligans and hand them over to the police. That might not have staved off the crackdown but it would have given them a powerful argument that they were not themselves “hirelings” of foreign powers.

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By Folktruther, June 25, 2009 at 9:29 am Link to this comment

Outraged, I don’t think you are ‘bent’ any more than the rest of us.  I think in crucial ways we are all ideologically insane, being systematically deluded and concptually deranged by power throughout history.  Myself along with everyone else.  It’s an historical phenomenon, not directed at you and yours personally.

But, Outraged,  you have to admit, having had six children one after the other, that sometimes you may have a tendency to get into a little bit of a rut.  This can occur in politics as well.  You identified with Nader during the election and defended him vigorously, and now you identify with Obama after the election.  They are both, personally, admirable people in many ways, but I don’t think power is about personalities. I think it is about policies.  I am against that power that promotes policies detremental to the population, the vast majority of people.

It is apparent, after only a few months in office, Obama’s main trademark is duplicity.  He says one thing in soaring rhetoric and does exactly the opposite in practice. Since most Americans don’t pay much attention to poliitics it tends to deceive them.  For a while.

but when you campaign on peace and expand Bush’s wars, when you promote the increasing inequality of the American people, when you talk about morality and abolishing torture and continue to practice it, and cover up Bush’s implementation of it, when you bring combat units of the American military to be used against the American people, the military defining demonstrations as ‘low level terrorism’, when you give a speech about reaching out to the Muslim people under auspices of the long time tyrancial dictator of Eygpt funded by the US, when you are against govenment controlled health care while implying your concern for it, then it is the duty of progressives to tell the truth to the population, that this man is the public face of duplicity and oppression.

This is the implicit contract with the ruling class, of promoting minorities to positions of power; your fucntion, they let them know,  is to lie for us.  So Colin Powell went before the UN and told the world that Iraq had weapons of mass distruction; so condelissa Rice folloed him as Sec of State lying about US imperialistic policy.  And Obama folloed them.  Just as the Zionists are promoted to positions of power to serve the interests of the neoliberal ruling class.

These are my concerns, Outraged, not you’re being bent.  Given your past history you may be attractively curved, maybe, but not bent anymore than the rest of us.  I do suggest, however, that it is necessary to oppose the policies of the neolibcons, who differ on cultural issues, but are united on promoting war, repression and social inequality.  they are driving the American people into the ground.

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By omop, June 25, 2009 at 8:33 am Link to this comment

What it is is what it is. And no better description of what “is” than the one used by country-boy Bill clinton in explaining his “inactions” during the performance of several sexual acts by a young woman with the initials ML.

What do MICHAEL A. LEDEEN, (the American ‘neo-conservative’), and member of the board along with Richard Perle, John Bolton, and James Woolsey of the “Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs” in Washington, DC and MIR-HOSSEIN MOUSAVI (the Iranian presidential candidate of ‘change’) have in common?

They are all good friends and associates of MANUHCHER GHORBANIFAR (an Iranian arms merchant, an alleged MOSSAD double agent, and a key figure in the Iran/Contra Affair, the arms-for-hostages deals between Iran and the Reagan administration). In one or two, at most three, degrees of separation, these people hung out in the same circles.

You can find all kinds of trivia about Ghorbanifar in the Walsh Report on the Iran/Contra affair. In Chapter 8, for example, we learn:

  “Ghorbanifar, an Iranian exile and former CIA informant who had been discredited by the agency as a fabricator, was a driving force behind these proposals [for arms-for-hostages deal];” or, “Ghorbanifar, as broker for Iran, borrowed funds for the weapons payments from Khashoggi, who loaned millions of dollars to Ghorbanifar in “bridge financing’” for the deals. Ghorbanifar repaid Khashoggi with a 20 percent commission after being paid by the Iranians,” (see:http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh/chap_08.htm).

Here is a bit from an article by Time magazine that shows Ghorbanifar’s circle of associates; it is from a January 1987 cover story (The Murky World of Weapons Dealers; January 19, 1987):

  “By [Ghorbanifar’s] own account he was a refugee from the revolutionary government of Ayatullah Ruhollah Khomeini, which confiscated his businesses in Iran, yet he later became a trusted friend and kitchen adviser to MIR HOSSEIN MOUSAVI, Prime Minister in the Khomeini government.

Some U.S. officials who have dealt with Ghorbanifar praise him highly. MICHAEL A. LEDEEN, adviser to the US Pentagon on counterterrorism considers: “[Ghorbanifar] is one of the most honest, educated, honorable men I have ever known.” Others call him a liar who, as one puts it, could not tell the truth about the clothes he is wearing,”

So in a sense Mr, Obama claims the same line of reasoning (strongly condemns iran’s crackdown) as Bill Clinton’s explanation of what is is. As Foltruther staes. ‘its enough to make you puke’

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By Russian Paul, June 25, 2009 at 7:20 am Link to this comment

Outraged, the way in which you are appeased by Obama’s phony progressivism shows a lack of even a cursory understanding of how US politics works.

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By Outraged, June 25, 2009 at 2:12 am Link to this comment

Re: Folktruther

Your comment: “the conceptual language of people and power has been fragmented by the Western truth tradition so it is impossible for the population to get a simple holistic overview or outline of power relations and their effect on people.”

I’ll engage your assertion.  How do you then, EXPLAIN moi….?

You enamor repeatedly that those of my “bent”, just don’t get it, since (according to you) “it is IMPOSSIBLE for the population to get a simple holistic overview or outline of power relations and their effect on people”.  I surmise, that maybe the opposite is the case, how is it you “get it”, yet…. “obviously” I do not.

Why is it that, only when or IF, I ENDORSE your premise, that then I can succinctly “get it”?  Explain.

Does it seem plausible, to you….. in any fashion, that possibly/probably others “see” something you do not?

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By boggs, June 24, 2009 at 10:50 pm Link to this comment

I wish Obama could get in stride with some of that change he promised us. We sure are needing it bad. The mortgage crises is still in full throttle. The banks are finding other uses for the money we lent them.
Guantanamo prisoners are still rotting away.
Every day someone turns down cancer treatment, because it would bankrupt the family.
Everyday another business puts up their “closed for remodeling” sign.
Parking lots that used to be packed all the time now look like it is a closed holiday.
Come on Obama, we had faith in you. Its time to show us that you meant CHANGE!

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By boggs, June 24, 2009 at 10:13 pm Link to this comment

Does Obama know the history of the US for the past ten years?
Hey Obama, this is the US you are speaking from, the country that tortures, starts unjust wars, kills many civilians and calls them collateral damage. We are the country that turns the cops loose on young black men and no one is ever punished over a wrongful death. We also are very generous suppliers of helicoptors and bombs for Israel to use to keep Gaza oppressed and Lebanon too, I guess.
What is that old parable about a splinter in anothers eye, while there be a stake in your own eye.
Yeah, thats the one, I have heard you recite it! Guess you haven’t figured out the real meaning yet?

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By Russian Paul, June 24, 2009 at 6:48 pm Link to this comment

Folktruther - What you say is interesting. It’s true, from birth through college we are indoctrinated with such bullshit that our inability to understand such foggy concepts is ensured. I have recently escaped after 17 years of this and miraculously, I have been able to retain my iconoclastic nature. Others aren’t so lucky.
I think it’s worse then ever before. My generation lacks any ability to question current power relations and is unable to grasp what our role as citizens are…I doubt if they can be mobilized to do anything. This simplification you talk about, if effective, must happen on a grand scale for it to truly have any impact. I’m not sure how you would go about reaching the mainstream with such ideas though.

Nefesh, hopefully your questions have been answered?

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By Folktruther, June 24, 2009 at 5:57 pm Link to this comment

Russian Paul, the conceptual language of people and power has been fragmented by the Western truth tradition so it is impossible for the population to get a simple holistic overview or outline of power relations and their effect on people.

So I have been developing simplifying conceptual structures that use simple abstractions, formulated in words or math symbols, that develop more of a big picture of power relations.  that is what I am doing commenting here, to see if actually works in practice before publishing it.  this is necessary to tell the simple holistic truth about relations among people, including power relations.

However the simple truth about people subverts the Western worldview that has legitimated capitalist Democracies the past few centuries and the preditory imperialism of the White Man.  So it cannot be legitimated without a conceptual revolution in social science similar conceptually to those in the hsitory of the natural sciences.  Unfortunately the ideological implications of the gestalt conceptual transformation involved has ideological implications much more explosive than in the natural sciences.  Which is why social science lags historically so far behind them.

By a truther I simply mean a general term for anyone telling, trying to tell, or pretending to tell the truth about people or power.  There is no such general concept in the Western conceptual language that can be related the the other simplke general concepts developed, and it is necessary to develop them all together.  Unfortunately the consequent use of these concepts have a surreal aspect that is off puting and ideologically absurd, but this can’t be helped.

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By niloroth, June 24, 2009 at 5:01 pm Link to this comment

so this is what the “progressive” movement has become?  Or at least it’s fringes.  They show so much hatred for jews and america that they feel the need to devalue the iranians who just want their votes to count.  Amazing.  There are posters on this site who really make me sad.  Glad it isn’t everyone on here.

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By Dr Nomas Kakita, June 24, 2009 at 3:12 pm Link to this comment
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Sleek President BO, We are involved to the tune of $400 million dollars, that was the amount before the elections. We have been involved since 1953. We don’t plan on bombing Iran, our “smart” plan is to destabilize and weaken them and then openly support a “democratic” coup. There are two ways to get rid of a neighbor you don’t like, one you kill him and burn his house down. The other you tell the neighborhood that he is cheating on his wife, that he beats his kids, does not like animals, eats pork, does not like Jazz, makes fun of Asian drivers, etc.

The later takes longer and a lot of effort but it usually works and is more sleek.

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By Russian Paul, June 24, 2009 at 2:36 pm Link to this comment

By nefesh, June 24 at 4:52 pm #

(fixed the formatting this time)

  By Russian Paul, June 24 at 4:28 pm #


  Pseudo-Progressive truthers = Phony liberals who may support certain progressive policies at home, but when it comes to foreign policy, they are just as hawkish as most on the right, and they also tend to be supportive of neoliberal meddling in other countries. Basically, they are defenders of the status-quo, but hide behind the label of “liberal” or “progressive” to confuse and obfuscate those who would otherwise be against such interventionism.

Thank you. Still unclear on what you mean by ‘truther’. My understanding is that it means a sceptic of the commonly accepted version of events of the attack on the WTC in 2001. Now it is being used in a different context.
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  As for truth consensus, it’s self-explanatory, isn’t it? Both terms are, really.

No, it isn’t. Honestly, it’s not. Glossaries and definitions are de rigueur for any serious written work when newly-coined terminology is used, especially those terms invented and used almost exclusively by and within narrow interest groups. A “truth consensus” means what, exactly, to you?

Decided to bring this to a newer thread. I really don’t want to speak for Folktruther or other posters, but again, I’m not sure if they have the patience to discuss it, my understanding of “truther” in this context is anyone who looks beyond what is offered by the above mentioned phony liberal media and figures out what is closest to the truth for themselves. Right now it seems one must dig deep through independent investigative articles to come close to an unbiased version of current events. I think what Folktruther and others are saying is that they wish there was an uncorrupted progressive media that could deliver this unbiased news to a broader audience, therefore gaining a “truth consensus,” an agreed upon version of events minus obfuscating bullshit offered by the above mentioned “pseudo truthers” that may enable the educated population to bring about some change. Does that make sense?

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By Mary Ann McNeely, June 24, 2009 at 2:13 pm Link to this comment

What a miserable coward (among other things) Obama has turned out to be.  The right kicks a little dirt on his penny loafers and he goes into a panic.

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By nefesh, June 24, 2009 at 11:48 am Link to this comment

By Folktruther, June 24 at 2:21 pm #

It is increasingly obvious that the Big Lie of this “Stolen Election” is a disinformation campaign that was funded by Congress two years ago and initated by the Zionists and other militarists who want to bomb Iran.  As Obama has in so many other areas, he is continuing the Bushite policies of war, violence and oppression.  Supported by pseudo-Prgressive mainstream truthers.


Please define “pseudo-Prgressive (sic) mainstream truthers” in one concise and unambiguous sentence.

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By Folktruther, June 24, 2009 at 11:21 am Link to this comment

It is increasingly obvious that the Big Lie of this “Stolen Election” is a disinformation campaign that was funded by Congress two years ago and initated by the Zionists and other militarists who want to bomb Iran.  As Obama has in so many other areas, he is continuing the Bushite policies of war, violence and oppression.  Supported by pseudo-Prgressive mainstream truthers.

Obama is in favor of Freedom?mocracy.  In Iran. He said so in a speech to a preselected audience in Egypt ruled by a US supported tyranical dictator.  It is in Iran that he favors it, not Saudi Arabia which does not even let women drive carss. The US has always favored Freedom&Democracy;, that is why it invaded Iraq and massacred over a milliion people.  That is why it is now bombing the homes, weddings and funerals of the people in Pakistan. He is in favor of Freedom&Democarcy; for the Palestian people.  Just listen to him talk.  Isn’t it beautiful? Isn’t it inspiring?

And now its time for Freedom&Democracy; for Iran.  The terroist organizations are already blowing up mosques full of people, the American media is on board, the Zionists are in place, all inspired by the rhetoric and articulate sentences of our Democratic leader, telling of his love for Freedom&Democracy;.

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By thebeerdoctor, June 24, 2009 at 5:38 am Link to this comment

“suppressing ideas never succeeds in making them go way” really Barry? Like legalizing marijuana, a national health care service, or strategically disengaging from having our boots on everybody else’s neck? Or how about signing the international treaty that bans land mines and cluster bombs?

The President is suppose to be educated, but does he really and truly, actually think? Or is that just another prime example of “overheated rhetoric”?

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By The Real Truth, June 24, 2009 at 4:26 am Link to this comment
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The truth is that the media and these nimrods don’t want to know or acknowledge the truth.  I didn’t hear any of these people cry foul after the Kent State Massacre or Watergate or even the 2000 elections.  Sadly, citizens of the USA are hypocrits and ignorant of their own dirty little stories yet they are ready to go to war over Iran.  The fact is that we demonize them as much as they demonize us.  I think we should get our own Ayatollahs under control before we go after Iran.  I think we should guarantee our own Rights before we talk of others.

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By Outraged, June 23, 2009 at 10:04 pm Link to this comment

Pres. Obama:  “The Iranian people can speak for themselves.”

Pres. Obama is without hesitation, correct.  They CAN speak for themselves, and they DO speak for themselves, and if the events of the last week have not made this completely obvious to you…. I suspect that YOU have an agenda.

Pres. Obama: “We’ve seen the timeless dignity of tens of thousands of Iranians marching in silence.  We’ve seen people of all ages risk everything to insist that their votes are counted and that their voices are heard.  Above all, we’ve seen courageous women stand up to the brutality and threats, and we’ve experienced the searing image of a woman bleeding to death on the streets.  While this loss is raw and extraordinarily painful, we also know this:  Those who stand up for justice are always on the right side of history.”

He again is correct.  While it may be that this situation should never present itself, history says, it all to regularly does.  I side with The People of Iran, using the very same logic and truths I use to side with The People of America.

So many times, I have read your posts and agreed, so many times, I have read articles and agreed, so many times I have listened, I have heard and I care.  In this manner, so it is with the Iranian People, I agree.  I cannot fight their battle, I cannot be them, but I can support their initiative and I can support their strength, and I can support them as The People.

We are NOT them, and we should not suppose we are.  This does not mean we indulge the Iranian leadership, it means we will wait, we will make sure, we will THINK.

Would YOU want the Iranians to come over here and start blasting the hell out of America, because WE had an issue with our leader….?

Don’t be the fools of the “war crowd” or more correctly the “oil crowd”, use YOUR HEAD, think, investigate, be discerning.

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By Mayponce, June 23, 2009 at 9:12 pm Link to this comment

Nefesh-The money quote huh? Kind of like the money shot? You know, like when Obama shoots his load o’ change in your mouth?

Oh, I get it, funny stuff Nefesh.

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By nefesh, June 23, 2009 at 7:46 pm Link to this comment

By Folktruther, June 23 at 8:04 pm #

It’s enough to make you puke.

The only puke I see here is what you post in your comments.

Money quote from BHO:

“Those who stand up for justice are always on the right side of history.”

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By Folktruther, June 23, 2009 at 5:04 pm Link to this comment

It’s enough to make you puke.

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