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Bill Maher Is Hoping for a Little More AudacityPosted on Jun 13, 2009
The “Real Time” host has some harsh words for the president, who, he says, is caving to insurance companies, banks and polluters: “This is not getting the job done. And this is not what I voted for.” Real Time: Advertisement Previous item: LRC: Iran, Big Bank Payback, Reregulation and Health Care Next item: Obama Talks Health Care Reform to the AMA New and Improved CommentsIf you have trouble leaving a comment, review this help page. Still having problems? Let us know. If you find yourself moderated, take a moment to review our comment policy. |
By ardee, July 8, 2009 at 2:39 pm Link to this comment
tDeborahGirl, June 21 at 11:09 am #
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Let’s just say I’m willing to believe that Obama’s motives, intentions and actions are more honorable than the GOP who constantly express a wish for the American people to be their serfs.
Yet Obama, in the middle of his campaign, rushed back to D.C. to pimp for the TARP funds to be released to those who loaned him that 700 million he used to buy the White House. Yet President Obama gave hundreds of billions more in ‘no strings attached’ gifts to the same folks who were responsible for our economic meltdown. How is this different, excepting in nuance, from the GOP?
The biggest problem we have with Obama is that he is not running roughshod over anyone & everyone to get his way. That seems all fine and dandy for those who believe the ends justify the means and for those of who watched Bush do that for 8 years and have gotten the idea, wrongly, that this is how our country should be run.
Well, he is running roughshod over the Afghani and Pakistani people actually. He is NOT running roughshod over the GOP while it prattles on about a problem they themselves created. His sickening attempts at bipartisanship are both hopeless and useless while the GOP moves the goal posts all over the damn field.
I believe that Obama is not only trying to implement a better agenda, but also show us that our democratic republic is exactly that. Merely exchanging Bush Administration tyranny for an Obama benevolent dicatatorship only gives license for the United States to be thrown into upheaval the next time the GOP seizes power again.
Defense lawyers for those held in Guantanemo stated that the Obama Justice Dept lawyers made exactly the same cases as did the Bush justice dept. lawyers, exactly the same…..exactly, not similar. Benevolent to whom?
Obama, if I’m not mistaken, is really making an effort to use the rule of law to make his policies work. It’s a tall order and something that cannot be done in 6 months. Doing things the right way always takes longer than just cutting the Gordian Knot with a sword and walking away, leaving the threads for everyone else to stitch back together.
What policies would that be?
I don’t want to appear naive. We’re constantly told how much money Obama (or is Dems in general?) have been given from HMO’s and big pharma to keep things running with business as usual. I also hear the GOP beating the drum that “single payer” is off the table but I have yet to hear Obama say this.
You may have yet to hear it but he has said it loudly and clearly. Perhaps you werent listening? His health care proposals are all for-profit, and his proposals to the insurers and hospitals all ask only for temporary reductions in that profit.
I find the Dems to be spineless lot in their support of Obama, but I have yet to see him back down on anything he’s promised so far.
Ending secrecy in government, closing Guantanemo, ending torture, “I was against the war
from the very first” then invading two more countries….regulation of our financial community, or regulation of any kind actually….you are not paying close enough attention I fear.
Never forget that the republican owned media constantly misrepresent what the president says and does. I would rather see him interrupt prime time every night of the week than continue to have his message misconstrued by corrupt media.
I listen to Maddow,I listen to Obermann, I listen to other leftist leaning commentators and they are all expressing their doubts too…maybe you are the last Obamabot in the room? Kidding…
Don’t believe the hype. Believe in the man you voted for.
Report thisBy KDelphi, July 8, 2009 at 1:26 pm Link to this comment
Mbadger—What is Obama’s supposed “
huge push for Medicare”??? He doesnt support Conyers (and others)HR 676, Medicare for All! He would not even allow him in the Hearing, without a special request!
Thats crap. I am not waiting for ‘history” like we did with Bush! The president is the servent of the people. I have a responsibility to judge and question.
Report thisBy Mbadger, July 8, 2009 at 3:58 am Link to this comment
The president can try and push through as much legislation as he wants too, but he only has so much political capital and half the time democrats fight amongst themselves, its the whole concept of American democracy, checks and balance. Take a look at the global warming bill, 44 dems voted against it. It’s not the president caving in, it’s him saving as much capital as possible so he can make a huge push for medicare, thats his main priority. History will be the judge of whether he fulfilled his promises, not bill maher.
Report thisBy tahitifp, June 22, 2009 at 4:31 pm Link to this comment
“Believe in the man you voted for.”
I didn’t vote for him, or for McCain. Blind allegiance is not called for here IMO.
Report thisBy Kitsch, June 22, 2009 at 2:42 pm Link to this comment
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Most people would rather die fighting for a concept they don’t fully grasp, than take the time to understand what their fighting for. The primal proclivity of man overrules logic. All this commiseration is fun, but… Until you sway the monster truck crowed, it’s all just political masturbation.
Report thisBy tahitifp, June 22, 2009 at 12:43 pm Link to this comment
Obama is not following the rule of law. If he were, Holder would be investigating bushco war crimes. He is also doing everything in his power to keep states secret even more secret and the illegality of FISA and Patriot Act are still in place.
Rule of law, my you know what.
Report thisBy KDelphi, June 22, 2009 at 10:07 am Link to this comment
I submit that Obama is popular enough to do anything he wants. If he is going to use his charm , then let him use it to do something lasting for his own people!
Report thisHe seems to be far more concerned with remaining charming, for me.
By ThatDeborahGirl, June 21, 2009 at 8:09 am Link to this comment
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RE: By ardee, June 19 at 6:06 am #
So, Deborah, you suggest that the fate of the nation, if not the world, hinges upon the results of a Minnesota election? That Obama is really a great guy, deeply concerned with the fate of the working class American? That he only awaits the arrival of Al Franken in the Senate.
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Let’s just say I’m willing to believe that Obama’s motives, intentions and actions are more honorable than the GOP who constantly express a wish for the American people to be their serfs.
The biggest problem we have with Obama is that he is not running roughshod over anyone & everyone to get his way. That seems all fine and dandy for those who believe the ends justify the means and for those of who watched Bush do that for 8 years and have gotten the idea, wrongly, that this is how our country should be run.
I believe that Obama is not only trying to implement a better agenda, but also show us that our democratic republic is exactly that. Merely exchanging Bush Administration tyranny for an Obama benevolent dicatatorship only gives license for the United States to be thrown into upheaval the next time the GOP seizes power again.
Obama, if I’m not mistaken, is really making an effort to use the rule of law to make his policies work. It’s a tall order and something that cannot be done in 6 months. Doing things the right way always takes longer than just cutting the Gordian Knot with a sword and walking away, leaving the threads for everyone else to stitch back together.
And yes, I think the Franken/ Coleman election is very important, more important than we realize. Otherwise the media wouldn’t have dropped it so readily and GOP wouldn’t be fighting so hard against Franken being seated.
I don’t want to appear naive. We’re constantly told how much money Obama (or is Dems in general?) have been given from HMO’s and big pharma to keep things running with business as usual. I also hear the GOP beating the drum that “single payer” is off the table but I have yet to hear Obama say this.
It’s just to easy to pin the blame and burden on Obama instead of the GOP who insist on opposing him just for fun and the wishy-washy dems who are so afraid of appearing “unpatriotic” they can’t effing tie their shoesd without a poll asking should they tie the left or right one first. I find the Dems to be spineless lot in their support of Obama, but I have yet to see him back down on anything he’s promised so far.
Never forget that the republican owned media constantly misrepresent what the president says and does. I would rather see him interrupt prime time every night of the week than continue to have his message misconstrued by corrupt media.
Don’t believe the hype. Believe in the man you voted for.
Report thisBy Cathy, June 19, 2009 at 6:39 am Link to this comment
ardee, I am frustrated and I try to remain calm. I hear this stuff about Obama constantly in my own home from my son’s father, and he said the same thing about the Franken situation this morning.
I’ll say what I said in another thread. We need to be more like the French and take a cue from the Iranians. We can’t sit back and say, “Wow, I really admire those people, that’s really cool,” and go back to American Idol or some other piece of garbage we fill our minds with, instead of going out and meeting with people at a Starbuck’s, or the library, or a diner and making a plan to get out there and start fighting for what we need in this country to make it a better place. I almost said what we want, but that sounds too much like whining. Single-payer health care not something we want, it is something we need.
We have a problem. There are probably less than 100 people between Congress and the Senate who truly represent the people. It looks and feels like Obama is already abandoning the people—with each passing day, with each passing week, with each passing month. When does it start going the other way?
Here is how Sarkozy feels about Obama. I didn’t know this and I just found out about it yesterday, courtesy of our friends on the other side of the pond: Nicholas Sarkozy puts Barack Obama in the Doghouse
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/world_agenda/article6098836.ece
It is easy to understand why the French President feels the way he does.
Report thisBy ardee, June 19, 2009 at 3:06 am Link to this comment
ThatDeborahGirl, June 18 at 7:59 pm #
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Maybe, like the rest of us, Obama is waiting to see what happens to Franken in Minnesota. He’s got four years, it’s only been 6 months.
Let’s calm the hell down shall we.
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So, Deborah, you suggest that the fate of the nation, if not the world, hinges upon the results of a Minnesota election? That Obama is really a great guy, deeply concerned with the fate of the working class American? That he only awaits the arrival of Al Franken in the Senate.
Do you think Franken will be wearing his blue tights and red cape? Do you think his arrival will trigger massive demonstrations across the nation for prosecution, regulation and change?
I am calm, in fact, if a bit more than a bit frustrated with those who see solutions in inaction.
Report thisBy Sepharad, June 18, 2009 at 6:22 pm Link to this comment
truthdigger3, I responded to the only two points you made. The rest was too silly to try, but if it makes you feel better nearly most Israelis are not interested in any facing more radical Islamist activity than there already is. If it went away so would the Likudniks because they would have lost their only paranoiac arguing point. Most Jews in and out of Israel do not support the idea of restoring the borders of ancient Israel, just as most Arabs are not interested in restoring the caliphate and expanding more.
Report thisBy ThatDeborahGirl, June 18, 2009 at 4:59 pm Link to this comment
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Maybe, like the rest of us, Obama is waiting to see what happens to Franken in Minnesota. He’s got four years, it’s only been 6 months.
Let’s calm the hell down shall we.
Report thisBy truedigger3, June 17, 2009 at 4:44 am Link to this comment
Sepharad,
It is futile, and waste of time, to get into any discussion about Israel with you.
Report thisYou are not interested in the facts, but interested in one thing, and one thing only which is defending justifying and covering Isreal criminal and atrocious deeds toward the Palestinian people, stealing their land and driving them into refugee camps or crowded ghettos without any dignity and any hope in the future for themselves or their children. What is your opinion about the killings and destruction in Ghaza recently??!!
You don’t respond to any point but divert the discussion to trivial, obfuscating, bullshitting and outright lying avenues.
Secular zionists are no different of any other zionists. They support Israel blindly and don’t give a damn about the plight of the Palestinian people.
By tahitifp, June 17, 2009 at 1:10 am Link to this comment
liecatcher wrote:
“...he was installed to finish what the miscreants before him started.”
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And what he doesn’t finish will be finished by the next guy/gal the corps are lining up.
Time for a change, 2012.
Report thisBy Sepharad, June 17, 2009 at 12:15 am Link to this comment
truedigger3, I’m a secular Zionist, but correct re Jordan. The British Mandate Palestine included most of what what used to be Palestine. Because the Hashemite king Abdullah Hussein helped the British defeat the Ottomans (in the Lawrence of Arabia-led Arab revolt?), the British gave him 78% of Palestine, designated “Jordan”. This didn’t leave the Arabs and Jews between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean much to work with.
Report thisBy hippie4ever, June 16, 2009 at 4:31 pm Link to this comment
Rolizone, you’ve NO idea (purple kush) :-0
Bill’s just saying what lots of us in California believe. The U.S. is a big rip-off & recently Obama declared he wouldn’t bail us out. Right, we just elected him and we can’t pay him more so he’s off. Bailing out another Wall Street-type swindle. Laughing at the idiots who elected him.
I believe we could make it on our own without the rubbish and baggage of the United States.
Report thisBy KDelphi, June 16, 2009 at 1:27 pm Link to this comment
This is the old Maher, not the new (I’d been “following” him for years and years).
A day late amd a dollar short, though. He’ll flip back, if it displeases his core audience.
I didnt always agree with him (hardly!) but, since he jumped on the Obama bandwagon he has been a real snooze…
Report thisBy BruSays, June 16, 2009 at 12:28 pm Link to this comment
Fire. It’s all about fire.
Fire. We have to hold Obama’s feet to the fire. We elected him to get the friggin’ ball rolling in the other direction, not to make a moderate course correction.
Fire. We have to fire - not rehire, those whose decisions were proven flawed. The dems won the election so this is not a Kumbaya moment and show solidarity with the Right with guys like Geitner. It’s a time to kick ass.
Fire. We should be lighting torches and storming the White House to insist this president keep (or at least acknowlege) his campaign promises. Instead we’re blogging and wringing our hands, or blogging and throwing up those hands in defeat.
Fire. We need fight fire with fire. Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Reid - all need to throw the Repubs’ (and even Hannity’s, O’Reilly’s, Limbaugh’s) words right back at them. Damn, we WON the election! And yet the Dems are falling over themselves to be concilatory. WTF?
Fire. We have to strike while the fire is hot. A year from now the window of change will close as the limp-wristed hands of the Dems go back up into the air to test the which way the winds are blowing (as their corporate sponsors feed their wallets). Now is the time to act, not react.
Report thisBy liecatcher, June 16, 2009 at 12:06 pm Link to this comment
I agreed with everything Bill Maher said, especially “That’s not what I voted for.” However, I’m not glad he is in the WHITE HOUSE.
Report thisObama turned out to be the great deceiver. The difference between what he promised & what he has done makes it crystal clear that he was installed to finish what the miscreants before him started.
When he surrounded himself with the same perpetrators that caused the bubble & the disaster that followed, it was obvious that was bought & paid for by WALL STREET. He gave WALL STREET $trillions burdening taxpayers for generations to come with no benefit to we the people.
By rollzone, June 16, 2009 at 10:54 am Link to this comment
hello. take another hit. this administration HAS been spinning its wheels, and when it gets traction; i truly pray: it is in a direction that will return America to the forefront of global economic growth and developement, in a greener way; for a cleaner environment; and for future generations of citizens. i wish the administration would refocus on our economy, and halt the faucet spending of overtaxation and misrepresentation. wealthcare needs reform, but i cannot support demeaning physicians to incentive based pay: as if all patients could be cured similarly. the administration suffers from wrong directionism, and is eagerly failing. take another hit. stealing and following the first good sounding idea lacks wisdom. bandaids are not enough.
Report thisBy Abby Normal, June 16, 2009 at 10:44 am Link to this comment
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Maher is honest and, in this case, right.
Report thisBy Cathy, June 16, 2009 at 8:26 am Link to this comment
Here is the kind of thing Bill is talking about. Kathleen Sebelius talking on NPR this morning. We are being sold out:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=105442888
The whole peace was a super-pacifier for Repubs, Blue Dog Dems and their favorite sponsors, the insurance industry.
Report thisBy truedigger3, June 15, 2009 at 5:46 pm Link to this comment
Sepharad wrote:
” But your statement that Israel wants all of Palestine is wrong. All Palestine includes Jordan. Most Israelis will settle for pre-67 lines with only the larger oldest settlements in the West Bank. Even Netanyahu has said no more building, most settlements torn down”
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Sepharad,
I will assume that you are completely misinformed and not another pro-Israel lying zionist.
Report thisPalestine is only till the Jordan River and doesn’t
include Jordan.
There are almost 500,000 settlers living in the occupied west bank right now and you are telling me
that all the settlements are torn down.
Are you living in planet earth or just another bullshit artist zionist??!!
By sanderson, June 15, 2009 at 4:14 pm Link to this comment
Bill Bill Bill. Chill. It hasn’t even been 150 days and you already sound like one of those stupid Americans you are always blaming stuff on. Look at it this way you know how to get ONE republican to vote for anything you bitched Obama wasn’t doing? Do you? I thought not. Lets see if Obama can. I get you are not a leader - you are a bitcher, but on policy, you may know what you want but, you don’t know how to get what you want. And I think you might have to blame yourself a bit for your disappointment at Obama.
Obama is smarter then you. You either trust him or you don’t. You want to go back to what we had 150 days ago?
“Politics is the art of the possible”
B Franklin.
The none policy stuff wasn’t very funny. I feel sorry for the guy. Working 16 hours a day, everyone bitching all the time, he deserves a night out more then any guy in America. And since I know how you spend most of your time off, maybe you should cut the proletariat some slack.
Report thisBy Sepharad, June 15, 2009 at 4:03 pm Link to this comment
truedigger3, I DON’T expect anything useful from Netanyahu. But your statement that Israel wants all of Palestine is wrong. All Palestine includes Jordan. Most Israelis will settle for pre-67 lines with only the larger oldest settlements in the West Bank. Even Netanyahu has said no more building, most settlements torn down.
Report thisBy truedigger3, June 15, 2009 at 3:29 pm Link to this comment
Sepharad wrote:
“He and the Israeli government are going to have to listen to what moderate Palestinians are saying and not just blow it off as Hamas/Hezbollah bigotry.”
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Sepharad,
Israel is interested in one thing and one thing only
Report thisand that is to eventually drive the Palestinians
out from all of Palestine.
Untill Israel negotiate in good faith and abandon
that plan to usurp all of Palestine and drive the
Palestinians out, nothing will change and all we will get is talk and bullshitting.
Israel is deliberately ignoring any gestures and
proposals from moderate Palestinians and cosequently pushing more Palestinians population toward radicalism and then Israel will have an execuse for more killings and more expullsions of more Palestinians.
Israel by its actions helped create and nuture Hamas when Israel reneged on the Oslo agreement and by that frustrating too much hope and expectation by the Palestinians for a new beginning.
Your friend “yahu” was instrumental on reneging on that Oslo agreement.
Don’t expect anything REAL or constructive from
that “Yahu”.
By Sepharad, June 15, 2009 at 2:26 pm Link to this comment
ardee, I agree with you that the image of the Obamas in the White House doesn’t mean much to Muslims, but the way he speaks to them, approaches them, obviously respects them, is a good start. In the end of course it’ll be actions, not words that matter. Off-Obama topic, I think it augers well that Muslims are more and more beginning to recognize and confront Islamist extremist-generated madness and BS, as in Pakistan, Afghanistan, the Lebanese and Iranian elections. This makes it much harder for people like Netanyahu to dismiss anything moderate Arabs say as being childish, unrealistic in context, or based on death-loving fanaticism. He and the Israeli government are going to have to listen to what moderate Palestinians are saying and not just blow it off as Hamas/Hezbollah bigotry (unless of course a give statement is).
Report thisBy TAO Walker, June 15, 2009 at 12:29 pm Link to this comment
Most commenters here persist in believing there is some institutional response to their increasingly dire predicament that will at least cushion the impact….already affectingseriously those at the lower mid-levels of the “global” pyramid scheme. Barack Obama is no “Sully” Sullivan, and if he is even still at the “CONtrols” when this thing hits, he has neither the skills nor the experience to keep it from reaching the catastrophic CONclusion for which it’s been racing all-along.
There remains one way open to “....your huddled masses” offering a chance to live through what’s upon them. In English it’s best described as genuine organic community, within and respectful-of and responsive-to the Natural Living Arrangement of Our Mother Earth. Those who look to “leaders” for direction and deliberance are doomed to follow the LOST into oblivion.
Those who look to each other for support might be around to pass the lesson on to their GreatGrandChildren. “Individuals” are all dead meat.
HokaHey!
Report thisBy WriterOnTheStorm, June 15, 2009 at 12:15 pm Link to this comment
One of Bill’s best. Seems like some have been so relieved to have a leader that doesn’t embarrass them every time he parts his lips, that they completely overlook the fact that every position Obama’s taken so far has sold out all left-of-center positions. Will history forgive Obama for squandering such unprecedented political capital on gewgaw?
Obama appears to be acting on the belief that his mandate is to restore calm and civility to a “Divided America”. Civility is a good thing, but when your house is going up in flames you’re well past the point where it pays to be polite. Besides, if I’d wanted a Conciliator-In-Chief I’d have voted for Dr Phil.
One wonders if Obama is not himself spellbound by his own mediated figure. Caught up in his own hype, he may be paralyzed by a fear that the magic will be broken and the ordinary man that lies within him will be exposed. Meanwhile, the page has already turned on the once-in-a-generation opportunity to check the cancerous growth of parasitic hyper-capitalism. And while the health care reform boat is about to sail, he appears helplessly transfixed by his own reflection in the water.
Report thisBy samosamo, June 15, 2009 at 8:21 am Link to this comment
By tahitifp, June 14 at 6:07 pm
““I’m not sure Bill or many of us missed what Obama said on the campaign trail.”“
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I don’t doubt that you are correct and that there was definitely the ‘other’ side that most ‘on the ball’ people would NOT vote for, no matter; but there is in my opinion enough ‘attention deficit disorder’ created by our msm’s ‘quick sound and visual bites’ that is only caught from the corner of one’s eye to create that perception of what one ‘thinks’ he knows to be the right choice or is led to believe a point of higher priority such as obama being the ‘saving grace’ but without recognizing the value of the other side of the coin, being congress’s part.
So, what could be more important or the difference in a having a good or great president or another corporate lackey would have to be a functioning legislative branch that would theoretically function like a judge and make decisions based on logic and the good of the whole instead of the political shitannigans that occupy our congress.
Absolutely ending the free ride of bribing congress or any branch of government via ‘lobbyists’ would have to be totally outlawing and prosecuting anyone found ‘lobbying’ congress because it is bribery and it is made for nothing but benefitting big interest corporate america and restricting the people.(a way of ‘managing’ this would have to be the regulation of ‘place holding’ for lobbyists at committee hearings)
Report thisBy William W. Wexler, June 15, 2009 at 5:24 am Link to this comment
Finally Bill Maher catches up with what I and others have been saying for 13 months.
Obama talks a great progressive schtick, but when it comes to delivering it, you’ll have to just hope he changes.
-Wexler
Report thisBy truedigger3, June 15, 2009 at 5:19 am Link to this comment
Jason Klimes wrote:
” I certainly don’t think Obama has been perfect but he’s doing as good as we can get.”
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Jason,
Can you tell me please what Obama did as “good we can get??!!
Report thisAll we got is feel good oratory and make-believe
measures without any REAL substance whatsoeve.
So far, he has done nothing but continue rolling on the same tracks W Bush was rolling on, serving big Money and expanding the wars abroad and piling pork on the pigs of Wall St. And oh yeah, credit cards “reforms” in which the banks can raise the interest rate without limit but horray for Obama, they will have to tell you about that in advance. Big deal!!
Forget about any REAL health care reforms. I am sure all that we will get in the end is a bill which in essence, everything will stay the same and then adding subsidies for the insurance comapanies.
By ardee, June 15, 2009 at 3:08 am Link to this comment
tahitifp, June 15 at 4:18 am #
Perhaps Nader can’t win, I agree.
But Howard Dean could. Russ Feingold could. Kucinich could. Al Gore could…especially if s/o like Colbert were at the bottom of the ticket. Sort of kidding.
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The point of voting for Nader is not to install him in the White House. It is a fruitless endeavor as he would be unable to get anything past a legislature that would shun him as an outsider. For that matter neither would any of the potential candidates you mention. Obama currently enjoys a 60% approval rating and still cant get his lukewarm and shallow reforms passed.
The real value in voting for Nader lies in showing those bloated and subservient to the money fat cats in Congress exactly how many of us believe in the Nader agenda. As long as we the people continue to allow the false dichotomy of a two party system to exist we will see no progress, only a continued descent into third world status. Every vote cast for the two parties, Tweedledum and Tweedledumber, perpetuates the myth of freedom and democracy.
Report thisBy tahitifp, June 15, 2009 at 1:18 am Link to this comment
Perhaps Nader can’t win, I agree.
But Howard Dean could. Russ Feingold could. Kucinich could. Al Gore could…especially if s/o like Colbert were at the bottom of the ticket. Sort of kidding.
People love this man and he has huge national recognition. But maybe that’s too far out.
I would like to see a Dean/Feingold or Boxer ticket. We have a few good well-known people who care about us. Bill Moyers is another and I’m sure I’m forgetting lots of others.
It would be nice to end the “do you want to see a repug win” meme. We can think outside the box.
Report thisBy Jason Klimes, June 14, 2009 at 9:09 pm Link to this comment
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I’m sorry I love Maher but he’ll totally naive, like too many lefties, to this that the country is on his side ideologically. Read Ezra Klein’s blog to see how the health care debate is going. The Senate can’t pass a public option plan, let alone a single payer plan. Outside of authoritarian take over of health care how can you pass health care without a majority of Congress?
Report thisThe economy is going to take years to get back to normal. Congress can’t get real credit card reform do you really expect them to be able to completely overhaul the banking industry in 5 months?
I’d love to see him more active on gay rights but it takes Congress to repeal Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell. Why no criticism for Pelosi or Reid on this issue? According to Andrew Sullivan the DOJ is required to defend DOMA, it’s up to the legislative to repeal it.
You can’t expect to leave Iraq safely with soliders, equipment and all the civilian workers in 5 months it is going to take some time. Even Hillary didn’t propose to leave in less than a year. And lets be honest Nader will never win so you have to be patient and realize that change happens through evolution not revolution.
I certainly don’t think Obama has been perfect but he’s doing as good as we can get.
By Allan Krueger, June 14, 2009 at 5:38 pm Link to this comment
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If Obama ignores the people and causes that won him the election, he is dead meat in 2012! At this point, looks like the lobbyists win! Escalate the war and SPIN the rest!
Report thisBy the large kahoona, June 14, 2009 at 3:21 pm Link to this comment
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Bill Maher, another shill for the plutocratic elite. I can’t stand these scum sucking media frauds. Hannity, Maher, Olbermann, Limbaugh, Stewart, they’re all flim flam artists spinning everyones heads into flapjacks.
Report thisBy tahitifp, June 14, 2009 at 3:07 pm Link to this comment
Samo:
I’m not sure Bill or many of us missed what Obama said on the campaign trail. I think the problem is that they thought there was no one else to vote for since McCain was a definite no-no.
The idea that maybe they should write in s/o or stop contributions or back Nader or s/o else loudly might have occurred to them, but fear made them vote for Obama - the anti McCain vote.
Then there are the true Obamabots. And the youths who loved his *anti-war* speech about getting out of Iraq. They obviously weren’t listening to his plans for Af-Pak.
We need s/o to vote FOR, not against.
Report thisBy tahitifp, June 14, 2009 at 3:01 pm Link to this comment
Ah, THÅT Bill. I have no excuse…........:-(
Report thisBy tahitifp, June 14, 2009 at 3:00 pm Link to this comment
Which one of us is Bill? I’m pretty sure it’s not me!
Report thisBy Druthers, June 14, 2009 at 1:49 pm Link to this comment
I regretfuly have to agree with Bill Maher. It is getting to be “Been there, but didn’t do much.”
Report thisWhat is even worse is that the time when Obama could have sparked a wide support for so many ideas and projects is passing.
It is not time for another speech, it is time for action…action on the domestic front (I refuse the term Homeland) not on the foreign battlefields we have created that are devouring the budget. The Pentagon owns our land and the money used to build planes, tanks etc. that are obsolete a few years later and are destroyed or sent to rust in the desert add nothing to life. On the contrary they absorb the money needed for roads, schools, bridges and a humaine society.
Obama must remember that he is the President of the country and the Commander-in-Chief of the Military.
By samosamo, June 14, 2009 at 11:12 am Link to this comment
Bill, you amaze me. Here you are with a platform for gathering, collating and dispensing information and with your slick shtick of being on top of things you have not shown me anything but your complicity in furthering the current incarnation of the several previous administrations.
How in hell, as knowledgable as you pretend to be, did you MISS obama’s promising full support of OUR government to corporate american and the american izraeli public affairs committee during the campaign, the 2 biggest problems or causes of the problems of the here and now, whereby you seem to demonstrate, for those like you, that change is: ‘do you vote democrat or republican this time around?’.
I am ever grateful that I don’t have tv to watch your little carnival side show because I would have thrown my shoe through my tv trying to hit you a long time ago; why don’t you team up with rush or o’rilly to carry on your idiotic capering.
Report thisBy Mary Ann McNeely, June 14, 2009 at 9:56 am Link to this comment
Till recently, he’s seemed to be just another suit, but perhaps he will meet at least some of his proponents’ high expectations yet.
The expectations aren’t high; they are basic; they are necessary for the survival of the nation.
Report thisBy doublestandards/glasshouses, June 14, 2009 at 9:07 am Link to this comment
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Robert Reich, Clinton’s Labor Secretary, said a month ago that democrats in congress had already decided to cave on the issue of health care for two reasons: 1)as usual they lack the guts for a fight with republicans and 2) too many of them are on the take from insurance companies. Baucus alone has received more than $400,000 from them. Anything Obama says and does at this stage is merely window dressing. They have already decided not to fight for a “public option.”
What we are going to get is mandatory coverage for all citizens, with tax breaks for businesses which offer insurance to employees at “reasonable” cost.
In other words, the republican plan. What most of
the currently uninsured will get is a plan that
will cover 50% of the daily room charges of most
hospitals; 50% of emergency room charges, and 50%
of doctors bills. These policies will not cover catastrophic illness and employees will pay half the premiums, employers the other half. They will allow people to get their foot in the door of a hospital when they are sick and a taxi to the nearest street corner after a few days. This plan will allow people like senators Hatch and Baucus to say, “we live in
a country where everyone is covered by health insurance.”
Having lost the white house and both houses of congress, the republicans are still in control. How
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By LostHills, June 14, 2009 at 8:03 am Link to this comment
Public health care is doa. Obama is going to give us mandatory private insurance or be punished by the government.
Report thisBy ardee, June 14, 2009 at 5:41 am Link to this comment
Sepharad, June 14 at 2:34 am #
ardee, I think you’re spot-on re Obama’s impossible inclusiveness, and I’m unhappy with his financial policies, but don’t you think he is suddenly becoming rather insistent on a public health plan (after all the waffling and dancing around)?
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I would guess that his people think his re-election might very well hinge upon the passage of a health care plan, any plan. As the financial mess continues to resist govt efforts to buy a solution, as the “War on Terror” shows no signs of lessening violence in three nations, what does this administration have to show for great speeches and little vision?
As to his image before the Moslem world, well I applaud the image of the Obama family in the White House, as should any decent human being. But image aint everything…..The world of Islam will react more to continued death than to a picture of an American leader who resembles some of them I think.
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BRR, June 13 at 9:13 pm #
President Obama is a realist: saddled with 30-40 Red Dog Dems, he has to move to the middle to get anything done.
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There is a bit of truth in your referencing a potential rebellion within the Democratic Legislature should Obama push for necessary legislation. But isn’t that what leaders do, lead?
When you have a great majority of the voters behind you, when the necessity of re-election faces representatives in a scant few months, the President’s popularity is a weapon he chooses not to play. There comes a time when right is right and damn the consequences.
Obama is a typical Chicago politician lest we forget, and that bodes ill for the hopes of this nation.
Report thisBy C. Curtis Dillon, June 14, 2009 at 3:36 am Link to this comment
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I keep saying this in these comments ... both political parties are more worried about their finances than about votes. We only see lip service to our concerns when it is election time and then the real agenda emerges. Even if Obama wants to advocate a single-payer system (a good start to reform but not nearly enough) he has to get approval of congress. And we all know that these crooks are in the pockets of special interests that do not want to see their part of the pie reduced. We already see that big Pharma is more than willing to get on board as long as the new regs force more people to buy their over priced drugs. The same goes for insurance companies, big hospital chains, device manufactures and doctors (and we should not forget the blood thirsty lawyers either). There is 0 percent change of true reform because the financial contributors don’t want it. So expect the reforms will be passed with great fanfare only to exacerbate the problem in the future.
True reform would be non-political. There are plenty of examples to select from ... many in the terribly “socialized” Europe our politicians love to bash. Well, sorry folks, but the Europeans care a whole lot more about their people than our politicians and business leaders do. We should get mad and take to the streets demanding change. That is the ONLY WAY to change this disaster. Politicians are cowards and will pay attention when their cash cows are slaughtered or threatened.
Report thisBy Sepharad, June 13, 2009 at 11:34 pm Link to this comment
ardee, I think you’re spot-on re Obama’s impossible inclusiveness, and I’m unhappy with his financial policies, but don’t you think he is suddenly becoming rather insistent on a public health plan (after all the waffling and dancing around)? Also, I thought his approach to the Moslem world as articulated in Cairo could be very effective, an important turning point if not transformative. Till recently, he’s seemed to be just another suit, but perhaps he will meet at least some of his proponents’ high expectations yet.
Report thisBy whyzowl1, June 13, 2009 at 10:02 pm Link to this comment
The post election giddiness is finally wearing off for some, I see. Has “brand Obama” all along been nothing but a pure concoction of the Public Relations Industry? Have we been duped? Or did we simply mislead ourselves—once again—through the power of our own yearning to see something that was never really there?
Of course Obama, in keeping with long-standing Democratic Party tradition, lied his butt off to get elected. Now comes the betrayal: of progressives, of labor, of women, of the poor. This can only be news to the young.
One might say the rather perverse character of the Obama administration is the sum of our own failure to act on election finance reform, in defense of a regulated economy and progressive taxation, against oligarchy, militarism and Empire. What did we expect? Honestly?
I say it’s a good thing, this betrayal. Now that we know no political excrescence of the system is going to do for us what WE CAN ONLY DO FOR OURSELVES, we can seriously set to work on it with no further illusions. If Obama is amenable to our demands, great. If not, we toss him aside and get someone in there who will be.
See how easy it is.
Report thisBy david, June 13, 2009 at 9:46 pm Link to this comment
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I voted for Obama. I also voted for Jimmy Carter in 1976.
I thought, and still think, Carter was one of the smartest and most decent presidents ever. He got rolled. But at least he tried- he kept us out of a war with Iran over the hostages even though the American public was aching for it, he pushed energy conservation and alternative fuels, he negotiated peace in the Middle East. He displayed guts when Americans wanted comforting lies.
Unfortunately, Obama doesn’t appear to have guts. I keep praying he’ll wake up and realize that he must break off his love affair with big bankers, big oil, big insurance, and all the other fat cats. Otherwise, he will be doomed to a one term presidency. Every day that he delays only means that he becomes even more the owner of our present disastrous mess. And God help us when the Republicans roar back into power in 2012!
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By CJ, June 13, 2009 at 9:31 pm Link to this comment
One would have thought that, after so many smart years, Maher would have known better than to vote for Obama. Or not (have thought).
Report thisBy Russian Paul, June 13, 2009 at 8:26 pm Link to this comment
This was a good one for Maher, I think maybe having Jeremy Scahill on the other also riled him up a bit. I’m glad he’s starting to see things a little more clearly now.
Report thisBy Cathy, June 13, 2009 at 7:40 pm Link to this comment
Actually, ardee, I wasn’t that surprised. In the last few shows there have been remarks here and there, especially when Naomi Klein was on. The love affair with Obama has been fairly short-lived with Maher. What came out in this “tirade” was frustration. Like you said, a 65% percent approval rating, the huge majority of the American people behind him on all of these things. On health care he’s got the majority of doctors, nurses and other professionals, and he’s got unions—at least non-public unions. What a gift! And if he would just turn the magic speech machine on and talk about single-payer, the truth about single-payer and why it is the answer? Congress would have to back down in face of millions of Americans backing their President in single payer. But Obama is not with us. His eyes are on 2012.
Report thisBy BRR, June 13, 2009 at 6:13 pm Link to this comment
President Obama is a realist: saddled with 30-40 Red Dog Dems, he has to move to the middle to get anything done. Many Red Dogs are like Walt Minnick from Idaho—socially progressive but very fiscally conservative.
A corrupt culture can’t be changed in less than say 8-16 years. So please back off Disappointed Dogs or would you rather have John McCain or whoever the Republicans invent for the next run?
Report thisBy ardee, June 13, 2009 at 5:53 pm Link to this comment
I must say that, as a regular listener of the Maher show, I was more than a little surprised at this revelation from him. He has always seemed a loyalist and especially to Obama.
Perhaps the incessant pandering of our less than courageous President to an impossible inclusiveness is wearing thin at last. When a leader has a 65% approval rating, as does Obama, one might think it an ideal time to advance his agenda regardless of opposition from a weak GOP, or even from his own Party.
My conclusion is that Obama hasn’t much of an agenda after all, and what he pushes, continued war, continued support for the crooks on Wall Street and a continuation of privatized health care that has proven far too expensive to the nation for far too long is stale, devoid of originality and ,frankly, doomed.
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