At the risk of incurring further insults I would offer the link below which notes clearly that “birth defects” are not , in and of themselves, reason for late term abortions. The defects which do lead to such procedures are always such as brain stem absence or other serious defects which make fetal viability outside the womb impossible.

Further, these defects are readily diagnosed from amniocentesis tests , but, unfortunately, not until late in a pregnancy in some cases. These diagnosis, along with those that indicate a woman would not survive her pregnancy are the only reasons late term abortions are performed.

The issue of abortion is an explosive one, but one should have all the facts prior to making decisions. One should especially beware of making false or misleading statements regarding mistaken diagnosis of defects that doom a fetus.

The sorts of defects that lead to late term abortion are not subject to misdiagnosis and are always, always checked and rechecked prior to performing such procedures.

In the end abortion is a matter for a woman and her doctor, but late term procedures are never done frivolously or without the presence of very dire health issues.

http://www.ppacca.org/site/pp.asp?c=kuJYJeO4F&b=139571 art

I am pro-life and in my opinion, a late-term unborn child should not be aborted for any reason other than if the mother will die from a Cesarean Section, but I am not going to go around killing doctors that do late-term abortions, just because I feel it’s murdering an innocent child.  One can’t be responsible for everyone, some things must be left in God’s hands.

In my opinion, birth defects are not just cause to abort, because many children with birth defects were not aborted and turned out just fine and a child with defects are sometimes all that holds a family together.  I have known a few people in my life who grew up with birth defects and were able to be excellent workers in stores, and were happy and made others lives happy.  I cannot say I would deny them life, because some of them are more worthy of life than those that think they don’t deserve life.

I’ve known people who were told their child had a birth defect and didn’t have the heart to abort the child and the child didn’t have a birth defect at all.

I’ve known women whose own body aborted the child every pregnancy who craved having a child, wouldn’t adopt and nearly lost their mind.

I’ve known women who aborted their first child and were never able to even get pregnant again, and they wanted children. 

Abortion is a serious personal decision between the parents and the doctor, as they will have to live with what they do.  The father of the unborn, if known, should not be disregarded, as if he doesn’t matter, as the child is also his and he should have to make a choice, as well, as to the outcome of the pregnancy, fathers should not be left out of the abortion equasion, because even though the child will be birthed by the mother, the father is a part of the child and must be allowed to be a part of the yes or no abortion scenario decision.

If a child is not wanted by either parent, the child should be aborted the instant the pregnancy is discovered, not wait until the child is ready to be birthed.

“Assuming O’Reilly to be the archetype of your collectively defined entity, you posit that they (bill o’reilly) are not “tolerated” bares witness to your ignorance because he has a worldwide audience thus is tolerated and by many welcomed.”

LOL oh that takes the biscuit: being called ignorant by someone who thinks Bill O’Reilly et al are globally welcome. Putting your pomposity aside for a moment, you may be surprised to learn “the world” is in fact bigger than the states bordering Arizona, and is in fact much more sophisticated than the deluded nationalist culture you are an outstanding example of; I know, I live in it. The “collectively defined entity” is a symbol of how utterly f***ed up the US is, and there is nothing like it in other countries, as far as I know, and I have lived in many countries of the world, and still do. Obviously, to anyone but yourself, I am talking about local equivalents, not cable-Bill-O, whose only entertainment value for those outside the imploding empire is comedic. You have made an excellent job of demonstrating your own ignorance, congratulations.

What Is Fetal Viability?

A fetus is viable when it reaches an “anatomical threshold” when critical organs, such as the lungs and kidneys, can sustain independent life. Until the air sacs are mature enough to permit gases to pass into and out of the bloodstream, which is extremely unlikely until at least 23 weeks gestation (from last menstrual period), a fetus cannot be sustained even with a respirator, which can force air into the lungs but cannot pass gas from the lungs into the bloodstream.(4)

While medical advances have increased the survival of infants born between 24 and 28 weeks of gestation, the point of viability has moved little over the past decade; at the earliest, it remains at approximately 24 weeks, where it was when the Supreme Court decided Roe—a fact acknowledged by the court in its recent decision in PLANNED PARENTHOOD OF SOUTHEASTERN PENNSYLVANIA V. CASEY.(5) A study of infant survival by researchers at Case Western Reserve University Medical School found that the rate of survival for infants born before 25 weeks gestation has not improved appreciably in recent years.(6)

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Abortions After Fetal Viability

Abortions after fetal viability are extremely rare. Half of the 1.5 million abortions in the U.S. each year take place within the first eight weeks of pregancy; nine in 10 occur within the first 12 weeks. Less than 1 percent are performed after 20 weeks.(11) Some 300-600 abortions—or up to four one-hundredths of 1 percent—are performed after 26 weeks.(12)

Abortions after fetal viability take place in the most compelling of circumstances.

Eight in 10 Americans surveyed consistently say that abortion should be legal in cases of fetal defect.(13) Severe fetal defects often are not diagnosed until late in pregnancy. Amniocentesis, which can be used to diagnose hundreds of these serious fetal conditions, may not produce results until after 20 weeks of gestation.(14) Consequently, locating a physician who will perform the abortion(15), making travel arrangements, and securing the necessary funds may be a time-consuming process.

Other tragic circumstances sometimes turn a wanted pregnancy into a potential medical disaster. In some cases, a preexisting medical condition, such as heart or kidney disease, may be so severely exacerbated by pregnancy that the woman’s life is threatened. In other cases, a pregnant woman who had thought she was completely healthy may be diagnosed with a serious medical condition such as breast cancer. In these cases, an abortion becomes medically indicated, since continuing the pregnancy would make treatment impossible. In still other cases, pregnancy itself may cause some dangerous conditions, such as preeclampsia—which do not become severe until late in pregnancy.

In addition to abortions for medical indications such as these, abortions after viability also are sought by a very small number of women in extremely difficult life situations, such as very young girls who conceal their pregnancies or who may be victims of incest; women who abuse alcohol or other drugs; or women who suffer severe mental or emotional impairments.

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http://www.ppacca.org/site/pp.asp?c=kuJYJeO4F&b=139571 art

dajudem, June 4 at 7:47 am #
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Funny-odd-that you would post a conjecture that goes against establish medical statements without a link to support this. You do it like this:

Abortion and Fetal Viability

In the 1973 ROE V. WADE decision, which established the right to abortion throughout the United States, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the constitutional right to privacy extends to the decision of a woman, in consultation with her physician, to terminate a pregnancy. That right, according to the court in Roe, is not absolute and must be balanced against the state’s legitimate interest in protecting both the health of the pregnant woman and the developing human life. According to ROE, at the point of fetal viability (when the fetus has the capacity for sustained survival outside the uterus), the state’s interest in protecting potential life becomes compelling, and the state may proscribe abortion, except when necessary to preserve the woman’s life or health. In PLANNED PARENTHOOD OF CENTRAL MISSOURI V. DANFORTH(1) (1976) and COLAUTTI V. FRANKLIN(2) (1979), the Supreme Court made clear that viability is a medical determination, which varies with each pregnancy, and that it is the responsibility of the attending physician to make that determination

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These principles are embodied in the laws of most states. Forty states have enacted legislation severely limiting abortions after fetal viability. Laws in 32 states limit abortions after viability to cases in which the woman’s life at serious risk or her health is endangered, although five of the 32 also permit abortions in cases of fetal defect. Laws in seven states permit abortions after viability only when the woman’s life is endangered; California is the only state where laws ban late abortions for any reason.(3)

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@‘someone named’ “dajudem” the point is whether or not right-wing hate-mongers who have a media outlet are dangerous or not - emphatically they are. And don’t kid yourself you have rights in the US, next you’ll be telling us it’s functioning democracy.

@David, Arizona I suggest you read a bit about who put Saddam in power, supplied his weapons (including chemical) and forced him to attack Iran in the first place. Furthermore you could then check out Iran’s shattered democracy of 1953 and learn of the US role behind that. Once you’ve got all that on board recalculate your figures. Leave Iraq alone? LOL the problem in Iraq and Iran, and ethnically-cleansed Palestine, and Lebanon is and was the USA and the parasitic abomi-nation Israel.

““O’Reilly: ‘If I Could Get My Hands on Tiller ...”“
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As the title says, what a brave man orilly is wanting to call out a dead man to ‘show him what for’, real class act bo.

O’Reilly doesn’t care whether he is right or wrong.  He is a conservative extremist right-wing propagandist that says what he is paid to say and will be paid as long as he is spouting CONSERVATIVE RIGHT-WING EXTREMIST REPUBLICAN propaganda and that’s the long and the short of it.

Why doesn’t O’Reilly run for office? How many votes do you think he’d get? He might pick up 1% of the vote if he was very, very lucky. That’s why he doesn’t run. He represents a vanishingly small number of Americans and he knows it but he doesn’t care - because he knows he’s right.

By MarthaA, June 4 at 2:43 pm

Very good and poignant.

What I disagree with is NOT their right to free speech, but whether or not they have the right to WEAPONIZE free speech as propaganda. I disagree that they should have a right to use PROPAGANDA as a weapon against the citizenry of the nation, which is what Limbaugh and O’Reilly do. Propaganda is binary emotional rhetoric used to lead others to a conclusion, their CONSERVATIVE RIGHT-WING EXTREMIST REPUBLICAN conclusions, in this case. Should anyone have the right to WEAPONIZE free speech?

We have a right to guns and knives, but we do not have a right to WEAPONIZE the guns and knives and use them to kill our neighbors, and in the same way, we should not have the right to WEAPONIZE free speech as propaganda and use it to kill our neighbors because it is equally wrong.  Limbaugh, O’Reilly, Hannity, Gingrich, et al WEAPONIZE free speech, and so did Hitler and Mussolini.

I try to avoid o’rilly as his being not even worth the use as fertilizer when he dies, but this claptrap diarrhea of his hypocritical punditry is very indicative of his waving the nazi’s ‘life unworthy of life’ dogma pronouncements as a sure sign he better not get caught without his body guards because he really does mean that given the chance, he will kill who he deems ‘unworthy of life’.

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Obama needs to put all of these domestic terrorists, the groups behind the abortion doctor killers, including nutbags like O’Reilly, in “Preventive Detention” along side all of the supposed Muslim terrorists they’ve held for years.
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Is O’Reilly a rather disturbed individual? I suspect that he is exactly that. Is O’Reilly an opportunist spouting hatred to make a very, very comfortable living? Again I would answer yes.

Are you very, very wrong in your desire to see O’Reilly locked up for stating opinion on the airwaves? I believe that you absolutely are wrong.

The problem , as I see it, is that , once you set a precedent by locking up someone who speaks to causes or states opinions that you find reprehensible, even dangerous, then who becomes the arbiter of allowable speech?

No, sorry, illegal actions should of course be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, but speech is the right of all of us, opinions are guaranteed by constitutional law and common sense. That we have a media pushed too far to the right is an arguable opinion, that the Limbaugh’s, Hannity’s and O’Reilly’s of this world spout reprehensible and even anti-American garbage is my opinion. But I defend their right to be wrong.

“I’m the problem, I’m the fascist, not Tiller.”—O’Reilly.

Couldn’t agree more.

Obama needs to put all of these domestic terrorists, the groups behind the abortion doctor killers, including nutbags like O’Reilly, in “Preventive Detention” along side all of the supposed Muslim terrorists they’ve held for years.

What is good for suspected Muslim terrorists should be good for suspected American terrorists.

Here is the breeding ground for these terrorists…VERY scary!

http://www.jesuscampthemovie.com/

It’s not just the individual attacks these hate mongers make. They are an extremely dangerous and destructive threat to the fabric of society, they are anti-everyone, anti-society, and are not tolerated outside of the US as far as I know. You would have to look to a country like Rwanda for comparison, where hate-radio played a vital part in the slaughter of a million people who were ‘different’. Oreilly and his ilk are the most dangerous to the society in which they habit - they are a threat to the life and liberty of ultimately, all Americans.
Considering the murder and mayhem the US has inflicted on the world though, there must be many, many people outside the borders enjoying the spectacle of Americans encouraging the hating and killing of their fellow Americans.