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Bibi and Barack Talk Mideast Peace

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Posted on May 18, 2009
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While the cameras rolled, President Barack Obama and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu huddled at the White House on Monday and waxed diplomatic about the usual lineup of regional concerns: Israeli-Palestinian relations, Iran and the possibility of peace in the Middle East.

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By Fadel Abdallah, May 27, 2009 at 7:22 pm Link to this comment

And they talk… and they keep talking and what comes of their filthy mouths are just layers over layers of shit, hypocrisy and falsehoods that will have only the effect of prolonging wars and suffering for the usual victims.

And the worse part of this is how misguided and irrelevant news media continue to call this farce “Mideast peace talk!”

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By PatrickHenry, May 21, 2009 at 6:39 pm Link to this comment

I don’t think Israel was ever trusted by the world community of non-jews.

The Balfour declaration which provided for a “jewish” state was written in the time of universal segregation, Blacks and other minorities used separate facilities from whites by law. 

The United States has evolved since then.

I can agree with a democratic Israel, however a “jewish” state to me smacks of apartheid and anything but democracy.  Non-jewish residents of Israel should have the same rights as all others with no exception.

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By Shingo, May 21, 2009 at 4:17 pm Link to this comment

Folktruther,

It’s already been revealed that Netenyahu and Obama did not see eye to eye during the meeting.  In fact, it has become pretty obvious that while Netenyahu tried desperately to keep the conversation about Iran, Obama would not be distracted.

I also think that the pathetic outburst from Netenyahu’s aid, ie. that talk of a 2 state so9lution is childish, underscores the frustration that Netenyahu’s team encountered in Washington.

That’s not to say there will not be ample reasons to be disappointed in future, but it’s a stretch to argue that Obama is to the RIGHT of Bush on Zionism.

Dismantling some of the settlements is no longer going to wash, especially when new ones are being developed.  The whole Gaza sideshow turned out to be a fraud and the world knows it.  Israel is not trusted or believed anymore.

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By Folktruther, May 21, 2009 at 9:47 am Link to this comment

Shingo, Psatrik Henry, I don’t know what you are talking about.  The meeting between Yahu and Obama is political theater that moves the political dialogue to the RIGHT of Bush’s fake Roadmap to Peace.  The Yahu government doesn’t even pretend to be for a two state solution, which Obama pretends to be for while he issupporting in practice Israeli ethnic cleansing.  Israel was in the process of installing settlements in north West Bank even while they were talking.  Obama is to the RIGHT of Bush on Zionism.

Yahu, the zionist NYTimes has reported today, has conteptuously undergone some political theater of his own, dismantally a settlement that has been dismantled twice before to show Israeli ‘good faith.’  The settlers imediatedly began rebuilding it again, as they did before.  And Israel, as per usual, puts the military in the vicinity to protect ‘illegal’ settlements.

It is obvious that power cannot delude the population without the people wanting to be deluded by authority.  I think far more fundamental then a corrupt electoral system is a truth system of powerstates that inculcates the power delusions that people want to believe.  Just as religious peiple want to believe in oppressive Divine power, politial truthers want to believe in opprressive earthly power.  The Faith of the Gops is mirrored by the Hope of the Dems.  it is this faith in delusion that must be attacked historically before people can rule themselves and make democracy a reality.

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By Robert, May 20, 2009 at 1:19 pm Link to this comment

May 20, 2009

US Forced to Rehabilitate Former Spy Uzi Arad
Netanyahu Adviser Steps Out of the Shadows

By JONATHAN COOK

Nazareth.

“As might be expected of a former senior official with Israel’s spy agency Mossad, Uzi Arad—the most trusted political adviser to Benjamin Netanyahu, Israel’s prime minister—has got used to being in the shadows as he exerts influence.

But that is fast changing. Mr Arad was prominent in preparing Mr Netanyahu’s tough positions as he headed for Washington this week to meet Barack Obama, the US president, who is seeking to advance a Middle East peace plan.

Mr Arad, recently appointed the head of Israel’s revamped National Security Council, will oversee an organisation that Mr Netanyahu regards as the linchpin of the new government’s security and foreign policy.

One military analyst, Amir Oren, has noted that, given Mr Netanyahu’s unstable coalition, Mr Arad “is likely to emerge as a strong adviser to a weak government”.

Mr Arad has been outspoken both in rejecting Palestinian statehood and in promoting the military option against Iran, positions believed to be shared by the Israeli prime minister and that will be at the root of a possible confrontation in the coming months with the Obama administration.

Mr Arad is also one of only a handful of senior figures on Mr Netanyahu’s Iran Task Force, charged with devising a strategy for dealing with Tehran and its supposed ambitions to attain nuclear weapons.

That will make some in Israel uneasy. The hawkish views that have made Mr Arad indispensable to Mr Netanyahu have also earned him several high-profile opponents.

Arik Carmon, founder of the Israel Democracy Institute, has described Mr Arad’s proposal to arrange “territorial exchanges” to strip some of Israel’s Palestinian minority of their citizenship as “racist”.

Alon Liel, a former director-general of Israel’s foreign ministry, has called Mr Arad’s efforts to derail recent talks with Syria by demanding the continuing occupation of the Golan “ridiculous and nasty”.”

http://www.counterpunch.org/cook05202009.html

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By Robert, May 19, 2009 at 6:44 pm Link to this comment

Israel Knows That Peace Just Doesn’t Pay

By Amira Hass

“May 19, 2009 “Haaretz”- May 14, 2009—Successive Israeli governments since 1993 certainly must have known what they were doing, being in no hurry to make peace with the Palestinians. As representatives of Israeli society, these governments understood that peace would involve serious damage to national interests.

Economic damage:

The security industry is an important export branch - weapons, ammunition and refinements that are tested daily in Gaza and the West Bank. The Oslo process - negotiations that were never meant to end - allowed Israel to shake off its status as occupying power (obligated to the welfare of the occupied people) and treat the Palestinian territories as independent entities. That is, to use weapons and ammunition at a magnitude Israel could not have otherwise used on the Palestinians after 1967. Protecting the settlements requires constant development of security, surveillance and deterrence equipment such as fences, roadblocks, electronic surveillance, cameras and robots. These are security’s cutting edge in the developed world, and serve banks, companies and luxury neighborhoods next to shantytowns and ethnic enclaves where rebellions must be suppressed.

The collective Israeli creativity in security is fertilized by a state of constant friction between most Israelis and a population defined as hostile. A state of combat over a low flame, and sometimes over a high one, brings together a variety of Israeli temperaments: rambos, computer wizards, people with gifted hands, inventors. Under peace, their chances of meeting would be greatly reduced.

Damage to careers:

Maintaining the occupation and a state of non-peace employs hundreds of thousands of Israelis. Some 70,000 people work in the security industry. Each year, tens of thousands finish their army service with special skills or a desirable sideline. For thousands it becomes their main career: professional soldiers, Shin Bet operatives, foreign consultants, mercenaries, weapons dealers. Therefore peace endangers the careers and professional futures of an important and prestigious stratum of Israelis, a stratum that has a major influence on the government.

Damage to quality of life:

A peace agreement would require equal distribution of water resources throughout the country (from the river to the sea) between Jews and Palestinians, regardless of the desalination of seawater and water-saving techniques. Even now it’s hard for Israelis to get used to saving water because of the drought. It’s not difficult to guess how traumatic a slash in water consumption to equalize distribution would be.

Damage to welfare:

As the past 30 years have shown, settlements flourish as the welfare state contracts. They offer ordinary people what their salaries would not allow them in sovereign Israel, within the borders of June 4, 1967: cheap land, large homes, benefits, subsidies, wide-open spaces, a view, a superior road network and quality education. Even for those Israeli Jews who have not moved there, the settlements illuminate their horizon as an option for a social and economic upgrade. That option is more real than the vague promises of peacetime improvements, an unknown situation.

Peace will also reduce, if not erase entirely, the security pretext for discriminating against Palestinian Israelis - in land distribution, development resources, education, health employment and civil rights (such as marriage and citizenship). People who have gotten used to privilege under a system based on ethnic discrimination see its abrogation as a threat to their welfare.”

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article22657.htm

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By Shingo, May 19, 2009 at 5:32 pm Link to this comment

The huge irony as I see it, is that Netenyahu may be pushing Israel towards a one state solution.  If he is indeed opposed to the creation of a Palestinian State, but is sincere about the Palestinian shaving Political and economic self determination, and if Israel is to remain a democracy, then Israel will cease to have a Jewish majority within a decade.

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By PatrickHenry, May 19, 2009 at 5:18 pm Link to this comment

Shingo,

I agree. 

Obama walked into the waking nightmare Bush left him and has performed well. 

The posters at Haartz, Ynet and the Jeruselem post, fear Obama will cut off the gravy train unless inroads with the Palestinians are attained.  Their responses are typically arrogant, racist and discriminatory against Arabs and even Americans.

Obama and his staffers read relevant blogs at credible sites such as Truthdig, where it is not hard to tell which way the wind blows even with pro Israel spammers in our midst. 

As I have learned with politics, the more flowery the salutation is in public, the diatribe in private
is equally critical.

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By Shingo, May 19, 2009 at 4:44 pm Link to this comment

PatrickHenry,

These photo ops are part and parcel of the process and usually mask what is really taking place behind the scenes.

I have been disappointed by Obama on a number of issues, but in his defense, he does have a tightrope to walk.  Between the economic and financial crisis, and 2 wars, as well as the torture fallout, as well as negotiating with Iran, he knows he has to move carefully and by degrees to archive his objectives.

I get the feeling that in spite of the back slapping, all was not well between the two leaders, which is a huge improvement compare dot Sharon having Bush wrapped around his little finger.

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By PatrickHenry, May 19, 2009 at 4:34 pm Link to this comment

Watching the Yahoo/BHO exchange was nauseating.  The mutual admiration episodes made me quite sick. 

They are talking but not saying anything.

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By Stephen Smoliar, May 19, 2009 at 4:19 pm Link to this comment

dihey, there is little hope for politicians recovering from the disease, but we may finally be seeing some steps in the right direction at the grass roots.

http://therehearsalstudio.blogspot.com/2009/05/not-all-efforts-to-communicate-fail.html

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By Shingo, May 19, 2009 at 3:01 pm Link to this comment

truedigger3,

nefesh makes Howard look intelligent.  He is probably one of those cowardly Israeli trolls who will make a hit and run post and never be seen again.  Bibi is a right wign fantatic who has an even more fantatical foreign minister.

The two of them are going to take Israel down the road to ruin.

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By dihey, May 19, 2009 at 1:32 pm Link to this comment

Israelism, like alcoholism is a disease. Unfortunately there is no IA (Israelism Anonymous) where politicians can attend 12-step meetings to achieve even a mild recovery. Obama, like most Americans certainly suffers of Israelism no matter how strenuously he/they tries/try to deny it. After all, denial is a fundamental hallmark of alcoholism and Israelism.

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By kapoore, May 18, 2009 at 9:38 pm Link to this comment
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A few things haunt me about the Israeli posture. I want to know if Israel is going to give back the West Bank water, which now forms over 2/3 of Israeli water supply?  Palestine cannot have a state with no water.  Are they going to take down the wall and restore the farms that existed there before the wall?  But as an American I can’t help wishing that Barack Obama would stop supporting Israel with aid.  First of all we can’t afford it financially or morally.

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By Folktruther, May 18, 2009 at 8:19 pm Link to this comment

obvously nothing came of the meeting, not even a half hearted attempt at perception management. Obama has rebranded the Bushite fake Roadmap to Peace and the fake Peace Process will continue along with the ethnic cleansing.  While they were meeting a new settlement was in construction in the north West Bank.

What the Palestinians need are anti-plane and anti-tank missiles and a greater effort from the world boycott.

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By Stephen Smoliar, May 18, 2009 at 3:34 pm Link to this comment

Once again the prospects for communication among the primary parties appear to be at most negligible.  Sadly, such communication does not seem to be part of the spirit (NEFESH) of Israeli politicians (at least the ones that get elected).  A tight focus on the past displacement of Jews around the world remains the primary strategy for ignoring any displacement suffered by Palestinians.  Obama has to figure out how to convert linguistic maneuvering into productive conversation.

http://therehearsalstudio.blogspot.com/2009/05/failure-to-communicate.html

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By truedigger3, May 18, 2009 at 3:28 pm Link to this comment

“Bibi and Barack Talk Mideast Peace”

Yeah.. Yeah.
And they will talk, talk, and talk forever and
ever while Israel is confiscating more Palestinian lands and building more settlements. What a *&^%
charade.

nefesh,

Are you Howard with a new name??!! Do you know what the *&^% you are talking about??!! What appeasement you are you talking about? You gotta be kidding.!!

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By nefesh, May 18, 2009 at 3:09 pm Link to this comment

Here’s hoping Bibi used his eloquence and candor to talk some sense into BHO’s naive proto-appeasement embryonic foreign policy posture.

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