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Cheney’s Chains to Torture

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Posted on May 16, 2009
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As new information leaks out on the Bush administration’s torture program and as Dick Cheney pumps up his role as the poster child for waterboarding, we can slowly start connecting the dots on the previous administration’s criminal practices. Rachel Maddow and guest author Jane Mayer break down the shaky legal justifications behind the invasion of Iraq and the use of waterboarding—a method now known to produce false confessions—to try to force detainees to reveal a link between al-Qaida and Iraq.

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By Inherit The Wind, May 21, 2009 at 7:57 pm Link to this comment

I can no longer watch Rachel Madow.

Why?

Comcast has decided to block MSNBC alone of the cable news channels.  To get it, I now MUST get “digital adapters” for digital TVs or cable boxes so I can get on-demand and PPV.  Since I NEVER want on-demand (isn’t that what recording is for) and have bought PPV twice in the last 20 years, what’s up with that?  There’s no difference in the broadcasts of MSNBC and the others—CNBC, CNN and Fox.  They all have a regular channel and another, HD channel—and I can get both on the newer TVS. 

But Comcast arbitrarily blocked MSNBC and AMC (American Classic Movies) and now is using it to extort more extended service (and fees) from me.

What is up with that?

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By Jason, May 18, 2009 at 10:37 am Link to this comment
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The longer I live the more disgusted I become at the arrogance and ignorance of people in the United States….The US government has been torturing and teaching torture for decades and now the media is focused just on waterboarding, let me tell you that waterboarding is like a ride at Disney compared to other horrific and bloody acts these so called patriots have committed…

I can go on and on and on!!!!

If they dont appoint a special prosecutor, you know, like that bulldog that went after clinton for getting a bj, than Im afraid this Empire is doomed to hell just like the romans…

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By sailorflat, May 17, 2009 at 10:22 am Link to this comment
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I’m sorry, but I don’t think that W is quite as uninformed as Purple Girl thinks.  Do some research on his childhood.  According to PETA, ‘ol Georgie boy blew up frogs with firecrackers for fun and games, as a child.

One has to wonder about his mother in allowing her son to play with firecrackers.  Then, in a 2004 NYTimes editorial, Georgie-boy’s adolescent friend, Mr. Throckmorton, reported that after a rain, George would take his 22 rifle, as his parents must have thought that he had developed enough to use such a weapon, and shot the frogs as they exited a pond after said rain.  So he obviously showed the signs of a serial killer, attacking defenseless frogs while growing up.

And one has to figure that he won neither 2000 or 2004 election, with the manipulation and availability of voting machines in Ohio.  Remember that the Ohio Secretary of State was a Bush Piuneer.  Plus, the Supreme Court chose George W. Bush, by stopping the counting of votes in Florida.

It’s obvious that Cheney is a war criminal.  The only thing that he got from torture is the false statement that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.  Remember that no WMDs were found in Iraq.  Now Hussein wasn’t a nice guy, but he’s obviously just another death on BushCo.‘s hands.

If a special prosecutor isn’t appointed to investigate the Bush war crimes, then we’ll never heal from this absolutely criminal presidency.

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By purplewolf, May 17, 2009 at 8:53 am Link to this comment

Paolo: This country has a long history of unsavory treatment of the indigenous people of this country that they stole to the Salem witchcraft trials to the uncivilized behavior seen today. Nothing really new hear but the dates it happened.

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By Purple Girl, May 17, 2009 at 7:31 am Link to this comment

Cheney not only seized far more powers than his office permitted- he usurped the powers of the presidency.
His weak claim that W “Basically’ knew what was going on, only reinforces the idea that Cheney was not fully informing the President about all the available information.Isn’t it the VP who should be Relegated to only knowing ‘Basically’ what is going on?
Someone in high rank of theCIA had better step forward and finally reveal the extent by which Cheney had usurped the Power of the Presidency and instigated the misinformation to Congress. Otherwise they too may be facing the High Crime of Treason.
W would be well advised to admit what is already a well known fact, that his Presidency was nothing more than that of a Front man.All those Loyal to W should do the same. It may not save his legacy- but it could save his freedom.W is not only looking at Abuse of Power and Treason for the crimes committed during his tenure- he’s looking at International prosecution for War crimes- torture, Rendition,Black sites and hit squads. Time to fess up and let Cheney,Rummy & Wolfie hang out to dry.

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By Paolo, May 17, 2009 at 5:45 am Link to this comment

My own thoughts from a libertarian, non-interventionist perspective:

It grieves me that we have to discuss the use of torture in the United States of America, which was once a civilized country.

Even on a practical level, torture is of no value. Intelligence professionals consistently say that information obtained by torture is unreliable.

There are several reasons for this fact. First, a competent opponent will give its soldiers “disinformation” to give the torturers. For example, the detainee might be instructed to tell a story about a planned attack on New York. He might even give the address of an alleged terrorist cell in New York. The terrorists plant information at that address in the form of “disinformation” loaded on a computer. Maybe they toss in a few misleading letters. Leave a few forged passports. Hang portraits of their favorite radical sheikh on the wall.

All very convincing, but completely false.

Secondly, a person being tortured will say almost anything to stop the torture. If the subject is well prepared, he “sings” about his well-constructed disinformation. Or, if he’s not well prepared, he just tells the torturers what he thinks they want to hear. He’ll make stuff up.

This is why intelligence officers don’t put much faith in information obtained under duress.

Torture is, however, a useful POLITICAL tool. Torture does not produce reliable information, but it DOES produce “confessions.” As Maddow points out, this is the real reason the criminal Bush Administration tortured KSM. They wanted to build a POLITICAL case defending their insane, unconstitutional war on Iraq. They needed “confessions” that Iraq was really allied with Al-Qaeda. They wanted “confessions” that Iraq actually had a massive WMD program.

The Soviet Union did the same thing to its dissidents, torturing them so they would “confess” to anti-Soviet activities. The United States government has now reached that same, despicable low.

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By tlm, May 16, 2009 at 12:35 pm Link to this comment
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when did journalists become competent?

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