KEITH —-O——

He used to make me laugh not no more.  He used to keep me thrilled by his uncovering the truth but not no more. He used to remind me each night how bad the BUSH BUNCH OF THUGS was but not no more. For ole Dwight got enough light and run off from the media moguls and now I am happy once again working the work to saving our nation.

Now for the ones that rant and rave at all I have to say and some like to criticize the way I write—-I KNOW BEFORE YOU SHOW ME WHAT A DOUBLE NEGATIVE IS——so just relax that was done for power pushing the content.

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Sodium, my good friend, I too am an avid reader. I’ve just finished reading three books by Ward Churchill, “A Little Matter of Genocide,” “Agents of Repression,” and “Perversions of Justice.” While reading those I also read two novels suggested by someone here on TruthDig, “Blindness” and “Seeing” by Jose Saramago. And I’m also reading, “Pathologies of Power: Health, Human Rights, and the New War on the Poor” by Paul Farmer, and a very strange book called, “Dr. Mary’s Monkey,” by Edward T. Haslam.

Neither of my daughters inherited my love of books. One is a corporate copyright attorney (I’m a big fan of copyleft or Creative Commons myself), but the other works for a gourmet chocolates company and if there is anything in life almost as good as books, I think it might be chocolate.

If not for torture, genocide, fascism, and the inherent inability of “civilization” to live according to the Golden Rule, we might have been an ecologically viable species. We were for millenia and then along came the concepts of ownership, mastery, and dominance, and the wonders of creation became nothing more than profitable resources to be plundered and desecrated. We cannot restore the earth, but we can reject what is and respect what was.

Sodium, thanks for the information about Olbermann and Maddow.

I’m not disciplined or austere, just low-income.

Don’t they have farmers markets where you live? I recently started learning organic gardening at a nearby community college garden that allows public volunteers three mornings a week, and I’ve started growing food on the tiny balcony of my senior building apartment, which fortunately gets some sun. It is totally amazing how much food one can grow in a very small space.

There’s a book with an incredibly long title, “How to grow more vegetables : and fruits, nuts, berries, grains, and other crops than you ever thought possible on less land than you can imagine: a primer on the life-giving grow biointensive method of sustainable horticulture,” by John Jeavons, and another book by Ruppenthal called, “Fresh food from small spaces : the square inch gardener’s guide to year-round growing, fermenting, and sprouting.”

By simply letting one potato sprout and planting it in a pot, you can get pounds and pounds of potatoes. Greens like lettuce and spinach can thrive when planted close together and if harvested regularly, will keep replenishing themselves. Even the most incompetent gardeners (that would be me) can grow cherry tomatoes, which are hardy and healthy.

Not having a lawn, I had to buy pots and planters, organic potting soil, and some seeds, but I expect the results to quickly repay my investment with nutritious interest. You can get a lot of help online if you google Food Not Lawns and Hyperlocavore.

Money doesn’t grow on trees but surprisingly to many of us who grew up in a capitalist culture, food does. And not just on trees, but in bushes, small plants, roots, and anywhere you plant food. And the food you grow organically is non-GMO organic food—the kind you have to pay a premium to buy. Plus you save gas not driving to the store, or, if you take the bus as I do, save a lot of time.

TO ALL

I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO THE CORE OF THOUGHT
WATERBOARDING RIGHT OR WRONG
IF WRONG THEN SHOULD OUR RULE OF LAW BE ACTIVE
TO ENFORCE OUR LAW AGAINST THE LAWLESS?

We all know that is against our LAWS,

We all know that is against the Geneva Conventions

We all know who offended our laws

So what do we all agree——to do——to bring to a close this forum so we can go on to another?

DMFD, you must have missed the post where I wrote, “I don’t think today’s fascist propagandists should be waterboarded (unless they ask for it), because I’m opposed to torture, but I believe they are all as guilty as Goebbels and should be prosecuted.”

As for the “unless they ask for it” part, that is not to satisfy me, but because I know that many Libertarians believe in the right of people to freely choose to be slaves or to be tortured, and I don’t want to disrespect people or in any way infringe on their rights to freely choose whatever they want. It is because of such insanity that I’m not a Libertarian, but I respect their right to their beliefs.

Love it, love it, love it.  To everyone that has posted in the past, and the present, about how bad Bush, Cheney, and the rest of their “ilk” are so cruel you need to take a look at your posts.  You are so outraged, you are asking “if he takes the challenge I want front row!” “To raise more money there first needs to be a raffle to see who gets the privilege of water boarding manatee.  I’d like to get in on that!” etc, etc, etc. There is not a one of you that is against torture if it makes you feel better.  Is there?  Take a look in the mirror you’re no better than those “evil” people in the last administration.  Save your name calling and any other badmouthing you have towards me and re-focus it on doing something positive.  Just making a point.  Peace

HERE IS A TOPIC THAT WILL NEVER BE AIRED ON OUR FREE PRESS—UNLESS?  WHO KNOWS WHAT THAT COULD MEAN I HAVE NOT A CLUE.

These, and other grievances, were patiently borne by WE THE PEOPLE until they reached that point at which forbearance ceases to be a virtue. We then took up our combined voice again in defense of the national constitution. We appealed to our brethren for assistance.  Our appeals thus far have been made in vain.  Through months and even years have elapsed. No sympathetic response has yet been heard from CONGRESS.  We are, therefore, forced to the melancholy conclusion that the present Executive Branch has acquiesced in the destruction of our liberty, and the substitution therefore of a military government—that they insist we are unfit to be free and incapable of self-government.

XVI.
The necessity of our mortal and immortal self-preservation, therefore, now decrees our eternal political plea for CONGRESS to impeach try convict fine and banish with out impunity enablers makers and profiteers of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars and the inclusive war on terror

XVII.
  It has suffered a disproportion of illicit terror on the estimated 750,000 fellow Christian believers in Iraq many tens of thousands have left their homes, land people and property fleeing from Iraq during our war efforts for fear of their lives. Thus ridding the commands of Jesus Christ harm nullifying nearly 2000 years of work in Iraq that was inspired by Apostle Paul.

WE THE PEOPLE, therefore, as the constitutional empowered delegates, with plenary powers, of the people of the United States of America, in solemn sober and resolute connectivity assemble, appealing to a candid world for the necessities of our conditions, do hereby resolve and declare that our political connection with the present Executive Branch of our nation has forever ended; and that WE THE PEOPLE do now constitute a free, sovereign, and independent VOICE, and are fully invested with all the rights and attributes which properly belong to independent people; and conscious of the rectitude of our intentions, we fearlessly and confidently commit the issue to the decision of the Supreme Arbiter of the destiny of each as individuals and WE THE PEOPLE.

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Thank you, Sodium.

Actually, I prefer to avoid visiting mainstream websites if I can. I rely on others to post the best clips to alternative media websites.

Just as TV channels can charge advertisers according to the amount of viewers they have, websites can charge advertisers according to the number of views they get. So in the same way that I try to shop local farmers markets rather than chain stores, I try to limit my web surfing to small sites that need public support because they don’t get support from large corporations.

I don’t know who Chris Matthews is, and a program called “Hardball” doesn’t sound very appetizing, but I’ve heard about Rachael Maddow. Has she spoken out about 9/11 Truth, or is she another gatekeeper?

Until people realize that 9/11 was a false flag operation like the Reichstag fire, many will continue to justify our government’s crimes against humanity abroad and tyranny at home. Left gatekeepers can bemoan torture all they want, but unless they attack the staged justification for it, they are perpetuating the lies.

$1000 for Hannity’s fifth minute would be a wonderful thing.

“But no one can survive longer than three minutes.”

... And your point is?

KEITH is an entertainer and he is good but what he does and how he does what he does brings suspect to the intent of his supposed news broadcasting.  Correct me if I am wrong but MSNBC leans to the left but it gets its money from the right—-oh well—-the big boys got to juggle their deals on all sides and at all angles.

SO GUESS WHAT? I just weaned myself watching any of them—-and the few times that I turn in to CSPAN I get deathly sick.

If my wife and I had time to waste we would go fishing. I would not be watching any more views or comic specials,  ALL that at this time is just a waste of time and serves to bring us more down than most already are.  LOL NANCY GRACE——MSMBC—-LOCK UP—-CNN—LOU THE MAN SINISTER DOBBS——FOX NEWS A TOTAL DISGRACE TO MANKIND.

To Purpolewolf and Mark Smith:

Thank you both for your thoughtful and perceptive posts on the topic under discussion! I really enjoyed reading every word of your posts, and thus feel more informed and enlightened as a result of your contributions.

I remember when the last left wing talk show host left the airwaves in my area. A right-wing corporation bought out his radio station.

I did what I’d heard that people in the old Soviet Union had done when they were behind the Iron Curtain. I bought a shortwave radio and listened to news from Canada, Australia, England, and whatever other countries broadcast in English.

There were some local pirate radio stations, but the FCC would frequently raid them and confiscate all their equipment, so that didn’t help much.

There was Democracy Now and Air America, but they weren’t actually on the left. They were left gatekeepers censoring 9/11 Truth and often shilling for the Democratic Party. They would sometimes call for impeachment or an end to the wars of aggression, but they would support the Congressional Democrats who voted repeatedly to fund the war crimes and they continued to support the Democratic Party even when deploring that it had taken impeachment off the table.

Eventually I got a computer and started getting all my news online. But I remember when the political left had access to the mainstream media, before every last left wing commentator had been fired or assassinated. I remember what this country was like before the right wing’s bloody coup that killed JFK and which has been consolidating itself ever since.

I remember what freedom of speech and freedom of the press was like, when the mainstream media wasn’t totally in the hands of the political right. I remember that when the right spewed their hatred and fanaticism the left was permitted to respond, and there was a Fairness Doctrine so that when right wing billionaires spent fortunes buying air time for right wing candidates, candidates on the left (there really were some) were allowed to respond.

Strange to be old with such memories of days gone by, days which may never exist again.

From reading and posting on various blogs, I know the names of the media hatemongers although I’ve never listened to any of them and I don’t watch TV. They appeal to audiences of millions who never had the privilege of listening to Walter Cronkite and have never experienced professional newscasting.

I don’t think today’s fascist propagandists should be waterboarded (unless they ask for it), because I’m opposed to torture, but I believe they are all as guilty as Goebbels and should be prosecuted.

We’ve always been a fascist, genocidal, racist country. From the slaughter of Native Americans and slavery, right up to the McCarthy era, and today’s wars of aggression, the United States has always been a government of the rich, by the rich, and for the rich. But just as troops under military discipline have traditionally been allowed to gripe so as to support their morale, the left was sometimes allowed to vent and to speak truth to power. True, there were times when it was called sedition or got people imprisoned or deported, but it certainly wasn’t limited to samizdat, or today’s equivalent, the blogs.

I’m grateful for those who post Olbermann clips to the blogs. No way I’d pay for cable TV just to watch a few minutes of one dude. Maybe he’s a tiny hole in the media’s Iron Curtain. Maybe someday it will get bigger. Or maybe I’m just nostalgic for a past that will never be again.

Fadel, I never watch Fux news so were you talking about the same Mike Huckabee who was running for president last year? The same one who claimes(d) he is/was a preacher?

Well is it is, I can understand why torture is a joke to him. Throughout history some of the most sadistic, vile forms of torture were invented and/or carried out by organized religions. Seems the whole repugnant party gets off on the torture thing, so I believe all of them should experience it first hand in some of the harshest “secret prisons” used by the Bush administration, and only allow the cruelest, most heartless practitioners of torture to dole out a wide and numerous variety of enhanced torture techniques on these cowards at least every hour 24/7 and then lets see how long these depraved GOP party members last with out calling for an end to their suffering. See if they will “say anything” just to make the pain stop and finally if they still think torture is a walk in the park. If they still think it is a game after a real-life torture experience, either the executioner of said torture was a plant and they never really experienced true torture or they are some really sick people.

If Sean were to really be allowed to undertake this stunt,for real, I would try to make some type of donation even if it means taking out a loan to do so.

I’m sure Olberman knew that little ‘sissy’ Sean would not take him up on that offer. I would not expect him to.

Those nuts who are trying to belittle and downplay the seriousness and gravity of torture should be rounded up and subjected at least once to one of each of these torture techniques, so they would know how they fare! We should start with Hanity and the other fascists whose names appear in the following piece From Media Matters for America!
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“Torture, handshakes, and Pulitzers, oh my!
This Week’s Top Story:

Apparently, torture is friggin’ hilarious to media conservatives!
For most rational human beings, even the notion of torture is bone-chilling. Media conservatives, on the other hand, apparently find it hilarious. Following President Obama’s release of four previously classified Justice Department memos that had authorized the use of harsh interrogation techniques on detainees—including “stress positions,” “cramped confinement,” “sleep deprivation,” and “the waterboard”—numerous conservatives in the media have downplayed, mocked, and jeered the notion that those practices constitute torture. Hard to believe? Here are just a few of the many examples:
  * Conservative leader and radio host Rush Limbaugh asserted, “If you look at what we are calling torture, you have to laugh,” said that “if somebody can be water-tortured six times a day, then it isn’t torture,” and claimed that “appeasers” have “water[ed] down” definition of torture like “NOW gang” did with definition of domestic violence.
  * Radio host G. Gordon Liddy compared the proposed technique of placing a detainee who “appears to have a fear of insects” in “a cramped confinement box with an insect” to his appearance on a game show, stating, “I went through worse on Fear Factor.”
  * Fox News contributor Mike Huckabee mocked the same technique: “Look, I’ve been in some hotels where there were more bugs than these guys faced.” Huckabee went on to state that under the Obama administration, “We’re going to talk to them, we’re going to have a nice conversation, we’re going to invite them down for some tea and crumpets.” Fox & Friends co-host Gretchen Carlson replied, “That usually works with your kids, too, right? When they’re in trouble for something, they just tell you everything.” To which her co-host Steve Doocy joked, “Mr. Moussaoui, it’s time for you over in the time-out chair.”
  * To buttress his support of torture, Fox News’ resident conspiracy-theorist-in-chief Glenn Beck aired a clip from Fox’s 24.”

You’re right, JimBob. Hannity has nothing to fear.

But he still isn’t going to do it. Why should he risk his reputation as a consistent liar just to make a few million dollars for the troops’ families?

This is stupid.  There’s a huge difference between being waterboarded as a fraternity prank or charity event and the real thing.  Sure, it’s no fun, but what’s missing is the fear.  When you’re being tortured by enemy soldiers who have you in captivity and clearly see you as a mortal enemy, you’re going to have a different take on the whole proceedings that if your buds are doing it to see how long you can last.  What Sean Hannity is proposing is pure fluff.  Let ME waterboard him; then we’ll see what he’s made of!

I’m in for a buck a second.

I think the next step is to collect every video of every right-wing talking head who trivialized torture, and put them all into one video, with Hannity offering to be waterboarded for the troops’ families and Olbermann offering him $1,000 per second interspersed between each clip.

Get the mix on every big video website on the net and keep pushing it. If it isn’t torture and Hannity cares about the troops, he can certainly survive it long enough to get a few million dollars for the troops’ families. That Khalid Sheik dude survived it 183 times in a single month. Allowing a minimum of ten seconds per incident, or 1,830 seconds, at a thousand dollars per second, would be almost two million dollars—not chump change. Of course Hannity could hold his breath a lot longer than that, but it wouldn’t be waterboarding if the victims were allowed to hold their breaths. How could you get any information out of a terrorist if they were allowed to hold their breath? And after all, if Ollie North (who, if I recall correctly, was pardoned after being convicted of lying to Congress) says it isn’t that bad, it must be true.

To be totally fair, the seconds should be counted until Hannity begs them to stop, and he can do whatever he wants to recover as quickly as he can between incidents, so he could restart the count as quickly as he wishes.

The waterboarding should be done by professionals and Hannity should sign a waiver not to sue them for human rights violations. I’m sure that some of our experienced waterboarders would volunteer to raise money for the troops’ families. And we could have some of our medical doctors and psychiatrists who witnessed waterboarding in Abu Ghraib, Baghram, or Guantanamo, stand by to ensure that medical ethics are followed, the way they have in the past.

Hannity will never do it. But I don’t think it is just because he’s a coward, I think it is because he never really cared about the troops.

A thousand kudos to heroic Keith Olbermann.

I keep waking up, thinking I just had a bad dream that I live in a country where a huge percentage of people openly favor the use of torture. Then I realize it’s not just a bad dream.

I tried to listen to Hannity today, but had to hit the off button in nauseated disgust as he chose, yet again, to cheer the use of torture.

Let’s get one of the torturers to waterboard the Manatee. That way we know he will receive the same treatment as the prisoners, don’t want to short change Sean out of the real experience and joys of waterboarding.

Two buffoons looking for ratings!

I figure Hannity can hold his breath for ninety seconds, and maybe he’ll last ten more.

That’s 100 grand- not bad. I think he’s planning on donating it to AIPAC.

Note to Kieth- be careful what you wish for.

To raise more money there first needs to be a raffle to see who gets the privilege of water boarding manatee.  I’d like to get in on that!

The title needs to be corrected: Olber offered 1k per second, not per minute.

I haven’t got much but, I’d kick in fifty bucks to see Hannity get the boarding. Somebody get in touch with Olbermann and find out where we send our contributions. I’d get in touch with Olbermann myself but, the MSNBC thingy kicks my emails back on account of I don’t use microsoft anything. Okay Truthdig, you’ve got yourself a project. Find out where we send donations. Oh yeah, and see if’n you can find out why MSNBC won’t take our emails. Those of us not using the msn crap!
Okay everybody, open those wallets. This is important and for charity.

This is classic!

Go Keith!

I’d wager Sean will squirm out of it, but if he takes the challenge I want front row!