AFriend—Where did I disagree? I was trying to disagree with those who dont want to do anything except expres outrage and indignation. I do not doubt that anything you say is true.

I cant travel much, cant afford it. But, I have protested at the School of the Americas, and, have friends and former colleagues who know alot about the “situation” in Latin America. (Maybe Pres. Obam should read “The Shock Doctrine” as well as the book Chavez gave him) I have, basically, just read about it.I meant that the names of Congress persons (and others) who are involved are not made public yet. If we are not going to prosecute, then, correct, we might as well leave it alone . And those that support not prosecuting should just stop talking about it because it is like pissing in the wind and pretending that it is all better now.

Even if we do, the “dominance of the hemisphere” strategy and military dominance of the US Empire remains the same. We cant seem to stop talking about “leading”. I dont hear anyone asking us to.
I agree with Purple Girl on Congress.

AFriend—I will check out the websites you suggest…maybe post later…

Exactly why many in Congress Do not want to proceed with criminal investigation….Complicity on both sides of the Aisle.
And Torture is not the only thing they may be hoping to bury. Who knew or suspected Cheney’s Hit squad? Who realized the lead up to Invading Iraq was based on outright Lies about intelligence. We know who all gave the Okay Dokey for Illgal wiretapping- The ‘Patriot Act’ was Unconstitutional from Start to to finish- reason they cloaked it with that Oxymoron.
Many did not just ‘Cave’ they PAVED.Working both sides of the Aisle and the political spectrum to push through legislation which was innately Against American Interests and Values.Repugs and their lil’ Blue Lap Dogs worked together to sell US a scam, which has led US to what we face now. Through 2 illegal wars, Corp deregulations and Sociological Divide & Conquer Rhetoric.
I want Cheney Corps Two Subsidiaries- the Neo Cons and the Clintonites. They have worked in tantum to Betray and Destroy our country- From Sea to Shining Sea!

JOHN STOCKWELL

@ KDelphi, April 18 at 4:01 pm #

> That is why we must investigate and find out who was involved.

The answers are already available. They have been available for thirty years. Effectively, nothing (substantial) was done then. Nor since. Nor will be this time either.

After Watergate the Church Committee investigated the CIA. They got snowed with tales of assassination. No investigation of the underlying ethos and methods of the institution. No consideration of the usefulness of the Dept. of Operations’s use of murder, torture and genocide to the nation.

Hundreds of agents from the Dept. of Operations got fired.

The principals were all given a pass.

So the principals did the same again in Iran-Contra. Now the Iran-Contra hearings were held.

Again, the same principals were all given a pass. So they did the same again - the same principals who gave us the ‘Stans, the Iraq War and torture.

Are we seeing a pattern here?

Why would they do it? Because they had been behaving like the Anti-Christ and getting away with all their lives.

These people -

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKarmitage.htm

How do we know? Because one man blew the whistle. John Stockwell.

JOHN STOCKWELL

John Stockwell on Central America - torture, mutilations and worse -

“I don’t mean to abuse you with verbal violence, but you have to understand what your government and its agents are doing. They go into villages, they haul out families. With the children forced to watch they castrate the father, they peel the skin off his face, they put a grenade in his mouth and pull the pin. With the children forced to watch they gang-rape the mother, and slash her breasts off. And sometimes for variety, they make the parents watch while they do these things to the children.”

“We do not parachute teams into the Soviet Union to haul families out at night and castrate the father with the children watching, because they have the Bomb, and a big army, and they would parachute teams right back into our country and do the same thing to us - they’re not scared of us. For slightly different reasons, but also obvious reasons, we don’t do these things in England, or France, or Germany, or Sweden, or Italy, or Japan. What comes out at you immediately is that these 1 to 3 million direct victims, the dead, and in these other wars, they’re people of the third world. They’re people of the Metumba mountains of the Congo, and the jungles of Southeast Asia, and now the hills of northern Nicaragua - 12,000 peasants. We have not killed KGB or Russian army advisors in Nicaragua. We are not killing Cuban advisors. We’re not killing very many Sandinistas. The 12,000 that we have killed in Nicaragua are peasants, who have the misfortune of living in a CIA’s chosen battlefield. Mostly women and children. Communists? Far, far, far more Catholics than anything else.”

John Stockwell addresses the systemic flaws in the use of a Dept. of Operations, “Murder Inc.” if you will. Along with advice from Admiral La Rocque on what each of us _must_ do to help.

“Now, Helen Caldicott, at the end of her lectures, I’ve heard her say, very effectively, `Tell people to get out and get to work on the problem…. You’ll feel better’....”

“‘What can I do?’.... If you can travel, go to Nicaragua and see for yourself. Go to the Nevada test site and see for yourself. Go to Pantex on Hiroshima day this summer, and see the vigil there. The place where we make 10 nose-cones a day, 70 a week, year in and year out. He [Admiral LaRock] said, `I’d tell them, if they feel comfortable lying down in front of trucks with bombs on them, to lie down in front of trucks with bombs on them.’ But he said, `I’d tell them that they can’t wait. They’ve got to start tomorrow, today, and do it, what they can, every day of their lives’.”

- http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Stockwell/John_Stockwell.html

That is why we must investigate and find out who was involved. If the Congress had not voted for the Patriot Act, for the invasion of Iraq, for “enemy combatant” status, this would never have been allowed to happen.

Dont good Dems want people who permitted torture to be gone from the party?

I would be “forward looking” , too, if I was afraid of being a intl war criminal…and all of us, by allowing them to carry on.

These crimes will be visited upon the entire US for many years to come.

Psychopaths R US - links

British schoolboys’ file - these guys are good - MI6 is definitely in some of their futures -

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKarmitage.htm

Wiki link - pick Politician - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Armitage

Does anyone care what a Neocon thug says? Particularly a Phoenix Program killer? Psychopaths R US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Armitage_(politician)

“It’s Congress’s fault for not stopping us!” Talk about chutzpah.