Vidal is alas getting old….still he gots mo than 95% of all the twittering ones…..

Take on Israel…man Jesus even lost that one….

Israel used the 30 billion or so of USA taxpayer money it got(gets) EVERY year, to ship a million or so emigrees to the promised land with the promise of health care, food, lodging AND a monthly check .

American money made sure the CONSERVATIVE zionists would dominate Israeli politics until the endtime…. Obama, Vidal, who evah cant beat it! Like the USA economy…the damage is done. Optimism is delusion…..its time for realpolitik OTTO!

That was great, thanks for posting this.

Ed Harges, April 13 at 6:59 pm

I have you to know that is TEX MEX

If you desire better English I suggest you teach me what is right and what is wrong.

Or better yet maybe I could hire you to be my proofreader.

Or maybe better come plant my garden while I proof read all my work—-then change the oil in my car, run the vacuum, help my neighbor fix his broken chair, go to Lowes and buy more garden stuff, feed my dog and cat, help my wife do the dishes, then reply to my Minister in the CONGO that has more dead to bury. 

So Mr. Harges maybe what you said of me means I don’t fit in to yours but you fit right into mine so just maybe that means WHEN TWO WORLDS COLLIDES.

Now greater men than you are I have said “If you cant say nothing good about some one—-just keep your mouth shut” 

DB

Are DWIGHTBAKER’s comments available in English?

By truedigger3, April 13 at 4:54 pm #
response

BEAT IT THAT IS A TERM NOT USED MUCH ANYMORE

I think you should notify many others of you dismay and potential harm to your GRAY MATTER for not doing, as you prefer.

Try these too:
New York Times, Washington Post, Boston Globe,

I am quite sure they will oblige if you act kindly in your demand.

Thanks

DB

I am really disappointed, no funny or substantive
discussion were there.
Gore Vidal is getting old and it is obvious he lost
his fire in the billy. I know we all gonna get old
including me so I don’t want any pontifications from anyone
Please don’t expect Bill Maher or anyone else
to attack Israel because that will be the end of
their careers in the media or show business.
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DWIGHTBAKER,

Beat it. No one is reading your nonsense.  You are
wasting your time and truthdig’s storage space. Get lost.

SHOULD WE GOOD RETREAT?
OR STAND UP AGAINST THE RE-DISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH
4/13/09

Or should be all BEAT back the despots from their high and ruling perches of power with our strong words—- delivered in a strident stand up against ALL?  Should we the people SEEK out others of like mind and JOIN IN coalitions to make count our voices and votes in our communed understood DISCONTENTMENT?  Should all of us be concerned and ever vigilant about those who clearly voice in derision and divisionary efforts - -to promote that we are a contemptible—-corruptive—-corrosive—-erosive people and we need new federal policies.  But when doing ——would that further erode our rights to life as an American people?

What is the greater purpose of having elected officials making a wage to do their jobs for us——but do NOT?

Are we AMERICANS like many other pagan gentile nations that have become empires and with a king/emperor at the head—- assuring all that he/she could put our minds at ease/rest——so we could just set back enjoy our ride though time- go to bed thinking all would be OK in the early morn, but now could that be the last political tidal wave that takes us down?

Have we become so hypnotized by the glamour and seemed honor and goodness in just mortal men and women we have lost sight that some can run a nation amuck using a good con all along much like our past administrations?  And what proof do we have now that the same is not going on again?

THUS will we set back another four years with another seemed lackluster chicken hawk administration and see more of our people suffer at the hands of tyranny?  And a greater number of our senior citizens moved into—- a well laid out hellish plan designed by morbid hosts in concert with ghoulish ghost to lead our 50 million senior citizens into stark cold despot driven oblivion?

THERFORE when the foxes are defiantly in our chicken house who will stand forward and call them out for what they are known for———in their villainous words and deeds.

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That was cute: Vidal light.

ARISE AND SHINE OUR SAGES TELL ALL NOW

Who can read a face listen to some words then decided as a civil servant for us [just one of our many sages knowing the past in detail] look again——close eyes—-open again and see the Gestapo all over again?

George W. Ball[6] (1954-1992), former U.S. diplomat

John Edwards[7][8]

Gerald Ford[9]

Bill Clinton[10] (1991), former US President, 1993 - 2001

Jon Corzine (1995 - 1997[4], 1999, 2003, 2004), former US Senator, current Governor of New Jersey

Richard N. Haass (1991, 2003, 2004[11]), president, Council on Foreign Relations

Lee H. Hamilton (1997[4]), former US Congressman

Christian Herter[12] (1961, 1963, 1964, 1966), former Secretary of State

Joseph E. Johnson[13] (1954), former President, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

Henry Kissinger[11] (1957, 1964, 1966, 1971, 1973, 1974, 1977-2003, 2004, 2005-2008), Secretary of State, 1973 - 1977

Sam Nunn (1996, 1997[4]), former US Senator

Rick Perry[14] (2007), Current Governor of Texas

Kathleen Sebelius[15], Kansas governor and nominee for the the Health and Human Services secretary post

Timothy Geithner[16], Treasury Secretary

Lawrence Summers[17], Director of the National Economic Council

Paul Volcker[18], Chair of the President’s Economic Recovery Advisory Board

Who agrees that our collective communed gone awry conscience has been scared and found out of moral bounds with ambitions and goals as a people that have been fulfilling the lust filled actions for the need for greed?

If so, then who can agree that we the people of the USA have been set up as the new JEW being led blindly staying in the lines of perceived normalcy that has brought about much pain and suffering for those many in our communities that are being led to believe a new day is around the corner while taken on their last ride to Auschwitz.

By the resurrection of the same ideology that Adolph Hitler espoused steal, kill, rape and plunder all in the name of progressive change for a superior race.  Bull shit then bull shit now, We The People can destroy them again and we are doing that right NOW.

Argentina is where they are all headed they have like minds in that country. Hiding for them is simply out of the question. We have been through this before we know just how to track them down.

The new people branded Jews that have had lots of loot to steal has been bolstered out by a new revival of the voice of Julius Streicher sounding out on our supposed fair and balanced free Press.
http://www.jewishgen.org/ForgottenCamps/Camps/AuschwitzEng.html

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What is the greater purpose of having elected officials making a wage to do their jobs for us but do not?

Could we be like many other pagan gentile nations that want a king/emperor so bad so they can go to bed thinking all will be OK in the morn?

Have we become so hypnotized by the glamour and seemed honor and goodness in just mortal men and women we have lost sight that some can run a good con?

Will we set back another four years with another lackluster chicken hawk administration and see more of our people suffer at the hands of tyranny?

When the foxes are defiantly in our chicken house who will stand forward and call them out?

Is not Americas seemed political and military tight control over us just a bunch of hogwash?

A trucker I met the other day told me that the long haul truckers could bring a halt to the entire economy and survivability of our nation if needed.  Could that be true?

So, I guess my main criticism was of Maher’s show as of late…lol

I agree—Vidal is great. (He was great recently at a Key West book fair—but he is sstill an elitist—possibly unavoidable, by his birth) But, Maher’s show has just become so lightweight, he just misuses people when he has great people on. If someone tries to make a point, and, the audience boos or something, he quickly switches the topic. or says, “this is supposed to be a comedy show”.

But, not when the issues are eating meat or dairy, any abuse of animals (not necessarily of persons—as he made a joke about the G-20 protestors, as the pic showed some of them bloody—one died), or religion (I largely agree with his views, although, I think he dismisses some of the facts of history—-being an atheist doesnt mean that you have to dismiss that there was something to these religions in history). He has a holier than thou attitude about his atheism,veganism, and, intelligence.

He loves Palin and Levi jokes, (so easy), and, in general, goes for the safe and easy these days

He had Ron Paul on, and, ignored all the things he disagreed with and eept trying to get him to “admit” he smoked pot—I find it really hard to believe that Paul smokes pot—I dont care (who does?) Maher is also sexist. He caters to his audience, which is not unusual. But, he used to be more independent.

I hear that he debated Ann Coulter, but I didnt see it…that might havbe been fun, but, Coulter is so far off base, its almost like shooting fish in a barrel.

Gore Vidal is the best essayist in America inthe last half of the 20th century, with the single exception of James Baldwin, whose carreer he furthered at a crucial time. He even wrote some interesting novels, THE CREATION, being the best of those. 

It is true, as KDelphi says, that he is an Elitist, but he also made striking criticism of the National Security State, and proposed, to the National Press Club in the early 1990’s, to revise the Constitution via Article 5.  His initial novel, when he was 19, also helped legitimate homosexuality.

We are fortunate to have him on our planet.

Now there’s a man and a brain that should both be listed as national treasures. Vidal’s wit and his silky dissection of conservative madness are a master class in how to analyse error and be incredibly funny at the same time. Above all, he is a very humane man. He is part of the other America, the one that would rather think first, negotiate first and resort to arms second or preferably never. Unlike George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, Vidal actually fought in a war and, of course, it changed his life.

Its too “late” for Palin jokes..shut up about her, already! People only like to talk about her to make themselves feel better—it may be soothing, but it doesnt make the so-called Left any better, just cause she’s a fricking redneck. But, I guess it does get the Dems votes..

I used to love Maher. NOw, he just plays to a neo-liberal audience. Vidal is a great intellect, (although a natural born elitist) but, he could have been used alot more substantively. Maher goes for the easy jokes now, and, get applause for anything with the name “Obama ” in it.

I dont know if anyone saw Maher last week with Mos Def—I was very disappointed AGAIN. Mos Def refused to talk about anything substantial about Pres Obama, and just kept saying “he just got the job”. True, but he is certainly headed in some direction, is he not? And you can at least comment as to whether you agree with it or not. Maybe it is too uncomfortable. Vidal , if pressed, or encouraged, cetainly would have. At one point, Maher, rather lamely, tried to say to Def “..b-b-but youre supporting the person , not the principle” and Def said, “No, I’m not” and Maher says, “Ok”. ???

Otherwise brilliant people just seem to be “so glad Bush is gone” that just being elegant and intelligent is enough.

I disagree with Christopher Hitchens on most things, but he is very intelligent. Well, lately hes not! Anyone see him on Maher? Gawd! All he does anyomre is drink! At least he’s open about it, but, his arguments have lost their entertaining, and, often infuriating, bite…

I see your comments now, Russian Paul, and others—lol. I agree!

Maher is filled with himself and little else.

re: By Russian Paul, April 11 at 9:41 pm:

Russian Paul writes: ... they could have had a much more substantive discussion. I’m starting to lose a lot of respect for Maher as he isn’t questioning Obama’s continuation of imperialist policies in Pakistan and Afghanistan as he should. And he continues to ignore the Palestinian/Israeli conflict …

Yes, Paul. Like so many otherwise “progressive” American Jews, Maher has a big blind spot on Israel, the Middle East, and Arabs and Muslims in general. This is why no matter which party is in power, our policies on Israel/Palestine change very little.

When I saw this item, I was at first impressed, knowing Vidal’s fearlessly scathing views on the US’s self-destructive subservience to Israel, as well as Maher’s demonstrated pro-Israel bias. I was prepared to grant Maher credit for giving Vidal a hearing. But if, as you say, Maher simply ignored the Chosen elephant in the room, then the choice of Vidal as a guest is much less impressive.

MY TAKE ON GORE VIDAL philosophy “All Speak up and out against insanity”

WHY IS OUR CONGRESS——NOT USING COMMON SENSE AND REASON?

MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif. — Where’s Sanjay Mavinkurve and Deepak Chopra?

Deepak Chopra is on his summit his desires to come to the USA has been met; he has his; now does he say, “I have got mine now go get your own?” Does that sound familiar to us in America?  The pursuits of riches power and influence can only be realized here in America, and Deepak has proved to many that he has the talent to persuade many to follow him on his treks back to find gurus from India that he says held and hold the keys for success.  That I don’t agree.  But many in America are willing to join his league of worshipers seeking light for daily living from those faulted and failed ideologies.  But not me.

The reality of Deepak doing his thing [with eyes shut] while many from his place of birth are drowning from and in a state of dilemmas compounded in delusions because our CONGRESS is not using common sense and reason.  Well for most of us that is not the first time. Sanjay Mavinkurve life is full of hypocrisy in idiotic nonsense.

To Mr. Sanjay Mavinkurve story:

The question comes from one of dozens of engineers around a crowded conference table at Google. They have gathered to discuss how to build easy-to-use maps that could turn hundreds of millions of mobile phones into digital Sherpas — guiding travelers to businesses, restaurants and landmarks.

“His plane gets in at 9:30,” the group’s manager responds. Google is based here in Silicon Valley. But Sanjay G. Mavinkurve, one of the key engineers on this project, is not. Mr. Mavinkurve, a 28-year-old Indian immigrant who helped lay the foundation for Facebook while a student at Harvard, instead works out of a Google sales office in Toronto, a lone engineer among marketers.  He has a visa to work in the United States, but his wife, Samvita Padukone, also born in India, does not. So he moved to Canada.
“Every American I’ve talked to says: ‘Dude, it’s ridiculous that we’re not doing everything we can to keep you in the country. We need people like you!’ ” He said. “The people of America get it,” he added. “And in a matter of time, I think current lawmakers are going to realize how dumb they’re being.” Immigrants like Mr. Mavinkurve are the lifeblood of Goggle and Silicon Valley, where half the engineers were born overseas, up from 10 percent in 1970. Google and other big companies say the Chinese, Indian, Russian and other immigrant technologists have transformed the industry, creating wealth and jobs.

Mr. Mavinkurve and his wife get little sympathy from Mr. Berry of the Programmers Guild, a nonprofit group with a volunteer staff that lobbies Congress on behalf of American-born high-tech workers. http://www.programmersguild.org/guildinnews.asp

WHY IS OUR CONGRESS #2

To Mr. Berry, 50 — who lives in Sacramento, where he was born — it is unfathomable that Google, which receives one million résumés a year, cannot find enough qualified Americans. Further, he says immigrants depress wages.

By law, H-1B workers must be paid prevailing wages, but there are conflicting studies on whether some employers actually pay less when they control the fate of the sponsored workers. Even some of the supporters of allowing in more skilled immigrants say the H-1B system is flawed because it gives employers so much power over employees.

As the recession deepens, many people, including members of Congress, have criticized companies like Microsoft and Intel for laying off Americans while retaining visa holders. Google says it will cut 350 workers this year.

Mr. Berry says his skills and education — a bachelor’s degree in computer science from California State University, Sacramento — are denigrated by an industry that asserts that the best talent comes from overseas, via Ivy League schools. He worries about the employability of his children, who are studying engineering at top colleges, the University of Southern California and California Polytechnic State University.

Mr. Berry, for his part, works at a major technology company he declines to name because his employment agreement precludes him from talking about his employer when in his advocacy role.

He does not believe that skilled immigrants are essential to innovation. In fact, he argues the opposite. “In my experience,” he said, “foreign software programmers are less likely to step out of the box and present alternatives to management.”

WHY IS OUR CONGRESS #3

His arguments have caught the attention of some on Capitol Hill. “Not all our own people are able to get good jobs right now,” said Senator Jeff Sessions, Republican of Alabama and one of the members of Congress who oppose temporary work visas.

Mr. Sessions favors broad immigration reform that puts even greater emphasis on admitting people with skills. He even wants to ask visa applicants to take a scholastic aptitude test.

But he opposes temporary workers, whom he argues have incentive to work for less and return to their countries to share what they have learned. This puts him at odds with tech companies.

“They need to step up and look at what’s in the national interest,” he said.
Google estimates that it spends about $20 million a year on its immigration efforts — including lobbying, administration and fees to a law firm. Microsoft, while it would not disclose expenses, probably spends more. Its in-house immigration team numbers 20 lawyers and staff members.

On the political front, the tech industry lobbies Congress through an organization called Compete America, which includes titans like Intel, Microsoft, Google and Oracle.

“The next generation of Google engineers are being turned down,” says Pablo Chavez, Google’s senior policy counsel. “If a foreign-born engineer doesn’t come to Google, there is a very good chance that individual will return to India to compete against us.”

At the rooftop pub, Mr. Mavinkurve and his wife both express some anger. He thinks America should embrace him, given his contributions and taxpaying potential. After Google went public, he paid more than $200,000 in federal taxes on his income from salary and, mostly, sales of his shares, just in one year.

He misses interaction with colleagues. It hinders efficiency, slows work. He is physically drained from travel. He is frustrated that he cannot put down roots in America, and maybe start his own company, because he cannot leave Google, his visa sponsor.

He says he feels, on one hand, great gratitude that America gave him extraordinary opportunity. But he says he fulfilled his side of the bargain by striving and succeeding. “Dude, I love this country,” he said. But he doesn’t feel loved back: “My devotion is unrequited.”

To Stay or to Go

On each of Mr. Mavinkurve’s twice-monthly visits to the United States (he keeps a room not far from Google), he meets with two friends at the Red Mango frozen yogurt shop on University Avenue in the heart of Palo Alto. Over scoops of green tea yogurt, they brainstorm for their next venture.

But he is not sure he can start a company — at least in America. Unless he gets his green card and his wife can work, he would be the only breadwinner, risking his savings, and he says they would be unhappy.

“Quitting Google means saying goodbye to my green card,” he said. If America will not have him, he might have to stay in Canada. The proof is on the wall of the two-bedroom high-rise apartment he shares with his wife — who is pregnant — and his parents, who have moved in with them. On the living room wall is a Canadian flag.

“Quality stitching,” he said, fingering it. Mr. Mavinkurve, who once hung American flags in his dorm room and then in Google’s hallway, still loves America. But the Internet-era immigrant, who moves so quickly between worlds, cannot decide where to land. Where is Sanjay? Even he is not sure where he belongs.” I’m not sure I want to go back,” he said of the possibility of moving back to the United States. “I’m not sure I can.”

Edited and added text———read the following for full text http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/12/business/12immig.html?pagewanted=1&th;&emc;=th

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I saw this interview and I was thinking how they could have had a much more substantive discussion. I’m starting to lose a lot of respect for Maher as he isn’t questioning Obama’s continuation of imperialist policies in Pakistan and Afghanistan as he should. And he continues to ignore the Palestinian/Israeli conflict, Vidal would have been a perfect guest to discuss these things with…