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Obama Takes Cheney to School

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Posted on Mar 22, 2009

President Obama personally conducted a tour of the White House for “60 Minutes” and in the Sunday broadcast defended his embattled treasury secretary, said sending more troops to Afghanistan was his toughest decision yet, and refused to grant a look at his wife’s vegetable garden. The president also took the opportunity to unload on Dick Cheney, who recently suggested we are less safe without torture.

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By diamond, March 25, 2009 at 2:31 pm Link to this comment

If you want to return the ‘terrorist gang’ to their own country you’re going to have a real dilemma. Their names are George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld and they’re all Americans. I agree that you could deport Scooter Libby, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Michael Chertoff and many other neo cons, because they have joint US/Israeli citizenship. But with the first three, well, you’re stuck with them. Just keep in mind that there was not one Arab name on any of the publicly released passenger manifests from the four hijacked planes and at least six of the so-called hijackers are still alive. This is not a simple story.

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By Karen, March 25, 2009 at 2:44 am Link to this comment
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To Alejandro:

Wouldn’t it be nice if someone COULD “splain” to you why Bush, Cheney, et.al. are not decomposing in a prison cell at the moment. It isn’t so much that Pres. Obama is standing in the way of their well-deserved incarceration, it is that he has his hands full at the moment. Furthermore, it is not to Obama’s advantage to set the wolves after the Bush cabal, particularly as he (Obama) is attempting to create a bipartisan coalition in Congress in order to save us from ourselves. This is not to say, however, that there are not legal bodies who COULD prosecute the crimes committed by Bush and Company. It may yet come to pass… step one: “Truth and Reconciliation Commission” ... and onward from there. We’ll see.

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By cyrena, March 24, 2009 at 9:58 pm Link to this comment

By Alejandro, March 24 at 12:21 am

By Alejandro, March 24 at 12:21 am

•  “Then, you tell me; Why in the Hell is our President standing in the way of prosecuting these reprobates for crimes against humanity and the actual murder of Soldiers, Sailors and Marines that he sent to their deaths knowing that there were no such weapons and that they had contrived the evidence? And as you all know, these animals really beleive they are un-touchable. Perhaps they are. Someone please explain this to me”

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I’m not sure that any one CAN explain this Alejandro, without at least first asking you WHY you ASSUME that Obama is ‘standing in the way’ of prosecuting these criminals. There is no evidence of that Alejandro. It may seem (to you and many others) that he isn’t doing enough to prosecute them, but I have to ask why you waited 8 years to demand that they be held accountable, and then claim after 2 months in office, that Obama is ‘standing in the way’ of their prosecution. Sounds like rhetoric to me.

Meantime, I suspect that you have come closer than any one to the reason it hasn’t happened yet. In short, Cheney et al have been around for a really, really, long time. Just as Bush I was. They have themselves deeply embedded in the apparatus, and in many cases, they ARE ‘untouchable’ or at least they have been.  If you honestly think that they should have already been prosecuted by the new admin, you’re dreaming. Again, it’s been 2 months, and they’ve been getting away with this for years. (at least Dick Cheney has) In short, they are as embedded in the apparatus as any other similar regime.

Some similar comparisons…Chile’s Augusto Pinochet. Peru’s Fujimori, and I could actually go on and on. The same has occurred in genocides around the world, because in nearly every circumstance of genocide and other crimes against humanity, it is always the HEADS OF STATE that either perpetrate these crimes themselves, or make it possible for their regimes to do it. al-Bashir, (current dictator in Sudan) is responsible for that genocide. FINALLY the world court has issued a warrant for his arrest, but carrying it out is a whole ‘nother issue. Our world history is full of this.

How many of Hitler’s former henchmen were actually prosecuted at Nuremburg? It took years to extradite and try Pinochet, even after he was removed from the regime, and far too many of his former military criminals were still embedded in that apparatus as well.

I have previously recommended a couple of books that I think deals with this in a way that people can understand.

A Miracle, A Universe: Settling Accounts with Torturers by Lawrence Weschler

Exorcising Terror: The Incredible Unending Trial of Augusto Pinochet
by Ariel Dorfman

As an aside, there are now, and have been for at least 5 years (that I’m aware of) hundreds of scholars, authors, teachers, business people, and specifically human rights organizations and other professional/legal organizations who are committed to making these criminals accountable, whatever it takes. What was initially a small group of us has become a huge movement across the US and the globe. So I’m convinced that we will be successful, specifically now that we have access to the records.

But this stuff doesn’t happen overnight. If it was that easy, they never would have been able to get away with this to begin with.

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By Tony Wicher, March 23, 2009 at 11:24 pm Link to this comment

Obama did not go far enough. As pointed out by Johnathan Turley on the Rachel Maddow show, Cheney is an admitted and obvious war criminal and Obama is actually preventing his prosecution by speaking as if there were a mere policy disagreement between them, however great. Cheney should be surrounded by defense lawyers, not making statements on TV news shows.

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By Alejandro, March 23, 2009 at 9:21 pm Link to this comment
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The dressing down of Dick Cheney was great theater worthy of an Oscar and before every one jumps on my case, let me splain.

If it is true that Bush, Cheney, Condi, and yes Colin Powell new that there were no weapons of mass destruction or that Sadamn Hussain was in no way responsible for 9/11, or even a threat to the most powerfull nation on earth and that many if not all of our intelligence agency had serious doubts about his capabilities? Then, you tell me; Why in the Hell is our President standing in the way of prosecuting these reprobates for crimes against humanity and the actual murder of Soldiers, Sailors and Marines that he sent to their deaths knowing that there were no such weapons and that they had contrived the evidence? And as you all know, these animals really beleive they are un-touchable. Perhaps they are.

Please, someone explain this to me….

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By Ronald, March 23, 2009 at 9:01 pm Link to this comment
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Cheney must be an idiot?  Why can’t we just leave the terrorists alone.  They haven’t really hurt anyone yet.  They are just following their religion.  And hasn’t more people been killed in the name of religion than anything else???  So why should we even punish them ... they are just doing what comes natural. 

We should leave the terrorist alone and return them to their country(s) ... I’m sure they learned their lesson and won’t try to hurt anyone anymore.

The military, CIA, FBI, and any other enforcement agency should not be so mean to these people.  They sould not make them feel uncomfortable or embarass them in any way.  It’s just not nice.  It doesn’t matter if it saves a thousands of innocent lives or not.

The embarassment or pain to any terrorist is just not worth anyone’s life ... let alone thousands.

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By Flagrante Delicto, March 23, 2009 at 8:43 pm Link to this comment
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Someday, a candidate with enough broad, personal appeal will rise to lead the United States away from its defense of individual liberty, and into whole-hearted support of World Socialism.

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By JAC DUQUETTE, March 23, 2009 at 6:01 pm Link to this comment
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I TOO AM CURIOUS WHY YOU FELT THAT THE PRESIDENT HAD “REFUSED” A LOOK AT MICHELLE’S VEGETABLE GARDEN.
IF HE DEMURRED IT WAS BECAUSE THERE WAS ANOTHER MESSAGE AT THE TOP OF HIS AGENDA AT THAT MOMENT AND HE WAS STITCHING ON AN ECONOMIC CONSENSUS BY TYING LENO, 60 MINUTES AND TOMORROWS PRESS CONFERENCE TOGETHER FOR THE BROADEST REACH IN THE SHORT TIME AVAILABLE. HOPEFULLY THE MESSAGE WILL COME TO ROOST
by the 1000S IN THE IN-BOXES OF EVERYONE IN THE CAPITOL.
JAC DUQUETTE

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By Spiritgirl, March 23, 2009 at 11:58 am Link to this comment

I loved it!  It’s about time someone explain in plain English why Dick is——(fill in your favorite)!  The whole concept that torturing someone would reveal information!!!!!  hahahahaha…..So exactly how many terrorists did they actually convict and plans did they disrupt?!!  I didn’t think so!!!!

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By Jason!!, March 23, 2009 at 11:30 am Link to this comment

Are you punch drunk?

lol !!!!

Webster:

punch-drunk- suffering cerebral injury usually from many minute brain hemorrhages that is a result of repeated head blows received in boxing and is typically marked by mental confusion, incoordination, and slurred speech

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By Inherit The Wind, March 23, 2009 at 11:02 am Link to this comment

I think the only question remaining about Cheney is whether he is a sneaky, immoral, criminal traitor who is a latter-day Machiavelli or is he a sneaky, immoral, criminal traitor, with no more foresight than Martin Borman.

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By Lynn Rosen, March 23, 2009 at 10:29 am Link to this comment
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O did NOT “refuse to grant a look at his wife’s vegetable garden.” Why this disention?

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By Clonakilty32, March 23, 2009 at 6:06 am Link to this comment
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I love it!  The POTUS disses the former POS ( Piece Of Shit ).  Obama takes a page out of Cheney’s book.  Cheney the compassionate conservative?  Compassion is not in the vocabulary of Conservatives. If anyone is making this country more at risk in the world today its Conservatives and Republicans. Cheney is more the latter than the former but both are repugnant.

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By Annoymous, March 23, 2009 at 3:54 am Link to this comment
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I think Dick Cheney and his cronies George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, and Karl Rove are crooks, and should be throwed in the most brutal prison there is.

Cheney and Rumsfeld have a history with it, and they are both crooked.

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