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Lou Dobbs Blames Global Warming on ‘Solar Sunspot Activity Cycle’

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Posted on Jan 7, 2009
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Lou Dobbs is diversifying his nonsense portfolio. The anti-immigrant poster boy has taken up the now-passé fight against climate science. In this clip, Dobbs refers to “many scientists” and “just the facts” as he tries to pin climate change on something he calls the “solar sunspot activity cycle.”

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By Hemi*, January 27, 2009 at 12:20 pm Link to this comment

For Xduadh Uaxd, January 17 at 12:10 am

“Hemi: let me guess, a Zionist that is not afraid to call a $cam a $cam? Have u tried the Emperor’s New Clothes website? I sense you are a king among conspiracists…and respect that.”

Close but no cigar XU! Not a Zionist but an atheist and pragmatist! Didn’t see that coming? Not a king just a mere apprentice among those conspiratorially inclined. But you’ve got me there and who doesn’t like a tall tale? Delightful! (Doing my best Stewie Griffin) I thank you for the website heads up. For those interested it is actually http://emperors-clothes.com

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By Xduadh Uaxd, January 17, 2009 at 1:10 am Link to this comment
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Nino’s comment 7 Jan 09: “...and the little man-bear-pig laughed to see such sport?”
Purple Girl 7 Jan: ...Allelujah?
Ed’s comment 7 Jan 09: Duh, Ed, Dobbs was referring to climate science which questions the carbonist science orthodoxy. The billions wasted on Gore’s carbon bubble will impoverish poor in the first and third worlds…just wait for Nuclear Obama’s carbon taxes and find out. But I like your form in calling us pigs. A good climate activist always attacks the person not the postulate.
Hemi: let me guess, a Zionist that is not afraid to call a $cam a $cam? Have u tried the Emperor’s New Clothes website? I sense you are a king among conspiracists…and respect that.
Samo: See Calder et al “The Chilling Stars” about the research from Scandinavia on cosmic rays that may be interacting with the solar wind to affect cloud cover and influence climate. Thus small difference in solar radiance, big effect on climate. Our children and the future: inheriting a nuclear wasteland due to a nuclear renaissance driven by climate fears?
Hulk2008: No, Dobbs is talking about dissonant voices on climate science, but you are not listening. If you removed the pinko blinkers you might see the combination of Gore’s $5 billion fund (Generation Investment Management) and his international fearmongering as ethically questionable financial self-interest.
Moe: “before the shock hits the earth”??? Moe are you aware that Nostradamus’ Century X verse 72 states: “From the sky will come the Great King of Offsets”  (see http://www.ancientsky.com/nostradamus.htm) (Definition of “deffraieur” translated: #1 discusses the word as an “offset,” or someone who picks up the tab, offsets the expense of someone else, defrays the expense, #2 as someone who becomes the object of conversation, #3 someone who causes much talk about himself.)
Nosferatu: “Dobbs a douchebag”, hey? Guess that engineering degree didn’t teach you how to debate. Your “Green Industry” is what is driving the carbon offsets bubble, not CO2.
Leisure Suit Larry: Yer, it’s terrible when alternative climate science viewpoints leak out into mainstream media.
Truedigger: You are right but Hemi will not agree on the Israel point.
FINALLY nice to see Hemi & Samo almost reconcile. Heartwarming.

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By Tinker_Toy, January 10, 2009 at 6:46 pm Link to this comment
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This man is as much a maniac as the likes of Bill O’Riley, Pat Robinson, John Hagee, etc.  He is totally delusional and needs help.

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By samosamo, January 10, 2009 at 10:28 am Link to this comment

By Hemi*, January 10 at 8:16 am

Glad to be on the same page and to help. I forgot to tell you that InformationClearingHouse has this ready for viewing at that web site. It would be in the left hand column schrolled down aways.

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By samosamo, January 10, 2009 at 10:21 am Link to this comment

By truedigger3, January 10 at 7:06 am

You really have vectored in on a major issue here. Call them what you will, neoliberal neoconservative, ‘eltite’, rich, bilderbergs, council of foreign relations, trilateral commission or just plain trash, they have used their resources to obfuscate real issues such as real jobs, healthcare, scocial security, education, housing, corporate regulation and put up the lesser issues as the more important ones, abortion, gay rights & marriage and gun control. (why do you think those neobastards use the simple catch phrase ‘god, guns and gays’ as their over-simple mantra to capture the vegged out part of the people?)
From what I have read and seen these ‘elite’ know that the media and money are what they most want to control so now we have 4 or 5 neoconservative owners of the media(rupert murdoch is their poster boy) and the reason central banking is used over most of the world, think federal reserve, world bank, international monetary fund, just to name a few.
And because it is one of the best descriptions of what has happened to the media and if you are not aware of Robert Kane Pappas’ documentary ‘Orwell Rolls in His Grave’, I would recommend that you see it. I believe it is available for viewing on Information Clearing House’s web site being listed in the right hand column down a little way or check out the web site of the same name.

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By Hemi*, January 10, 2009 at 9:16 am Link to this comment

samosamo, January 9 at 5:31 pm

samo, I hear you loud and clear. It took a while for us to come around to it but I think we were in much the same place to begin with. This blogging style of communication tends to enhance small disagreements while diminishing our common ground. TD sets the stage for these spats also. Just look at the wording attached to this piece on Dobbs. There’s nothing like speaking face to face.

Thanks also for the tip on Robert Kane Pappas, I will check that out.

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By truedigger3, January 10, 2009 at 8:06 am Link to this comment

Lou Dobbs talks about populist issues that concerns
the average Joe/Jane. He does not talk about abortion
or gay marriage or gun control which is babies of
the so called “progresives”. The so called “progressives”
do not talk any more about jobs with living wages
or health-care for the citizwns or secure retirement or or good educations and schools.
It is time for a populist party and the hell with
neo-liberals and neo-coservatives. Both the neo-liberals and the neo-conservatives are owned and beholden to big Money/Business.  And the so called
“progressives” live in their ivory towers and cares only about Israel.

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By Virginia777, January 10, 2009 at 12:41 am Link to this comment

it is absolutely insane that this pundit is allowed to comment by our Media on something he obviously knows nothing about, yet the man is so egotistical and so stupid (a lethal, yet common, combination), he actually ventures a wild “guess”!

sick.

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By samosamo, January 9, 2009 at 6:31 pm Link to this comment

By Hemi*, January 8 at 9:13 am

I found my error on bryson’s death. For quick info on people places and things I google and will use the wikipedia site. Somehow when I got to the bottom of bryson’s info there is the place where he died at 88 which as hurriedly as I read it, it stuck with me that he died in ‘88.
I moved to where I now live in may of 2000 and having had cable for 10+ years I was feeling that what I was being given for information was not only incorrect but out and out insulting all the way from marketing and tv shows to the news. When I settled in, I chose not to hook the tv to cable, dish or antenna and just use it for dvd’s and vhs, see and hear what I want to hear when I want. At the time I was employed by a corporation and had access to a tv in the break room and eventually found lou dobbs. A lot of what he propounded made sense and I followed him as much as I could to the point of coming home and reading the transcripts of his show on the internet, since I would not be able to lollygag around a whole hour watching him. That started pointing me to other web sites which eventually led me here to TD. There are others I check out when I am online and find the information helpful especially so when I see confirming posts and posts that object to what would be the news of the day, so to speak.
Dobbs impressed me by bringing my attention to the sneaky underhandedness of congress and those that were or maybe on the take to futher someone’s agenda. There are many things he has found not right and some I have agreed with him about. But whether he is right or wrong I believe he points to issues that would just as soon be swept under the rug and forgotten by those who benefit more at our expense than is really legal. And one thing I have seen here in this country is that the media manipulation has been so successful that there are still a large number of people that don’t want to hear real truths, most evident being that our government in all 3 branches are not a government for the people. Which is basically read by me(right or wrong) that people can’t believe there would be such a subversion in all 3 branches much less in any single one, or that their own reps are good and it is the others that are corrupted. I don’t know if that helps you or not but never think that there aren’t people that are using these websites to distract attention from real issues, what I call neocon implants for disruption.
At the risk of pushing old info on you, if you have not seen or heard of the dvd ‘Orwell Rolls in His Grave’ by Robert Kane Pappas, check it out as it really describes the subversion of the msm and its very few conservative owners. The web sit with the same name is available.

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By Shmatza, January 9, 2009 at 3:24 pm Link to this comment
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Much ado about nothing. When the Yellowstone Caldera errupts you blow hards will have all the global warming, cooling and carbon in the atmosphere that you can handle. Then old BO will have loads of backing for repairing the infrastructure. Let’s see him print enough money to fix that pothole.

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By Leisure Suit Larry, January 9, 2009 at 1:04 pm Link to this comment
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If this fat, semi-literate, pretend populist, gas bag would shut his huge mouth for a year the global tempature would decrease one degree!

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By bogglesthemind, January 9, 2009 at 11:24 am Link to this comment
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In the future it’ll be called “Lou Dobbs Syndrome”.

It’s Ok to call it that now if you want to be ahead of the curve.

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By BlueEagle, January 9, 2009 at 10:29 am Link to this comment

So sad that the MSM sets the conversation of America and the world and distracts the sheeple from the real conversation.

Global Warming is not the issue. Global Pollution IS!

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By Hemi*, January 8, 2009 at 10:13 am Link to this comment

Samo, one correction. You did not know that Bryson bought the farm in the “80’s”. You misread what I wrote and that was he died in June of ‘08. June 11th of 2008 to be precise. Of course you would “wonder what his place is in all this climate change stuff” not knowing he was a contemporary of Alley. I don’t “suspect people that read other sources of information”. I do suspect people that claim to have read works the likes of Alley’s ‘The Two-Mile Time Machine’ and follow that with “I knew that bryson bought the farm in the 80’s which makes me wonder what his place is in all this climate change stuff”. You knew nothing of the sort.

To get back to a civil dialogue, I don’t doubt that you’ve read Alley.  You simply misread something I wrote and ran with it.  You are not alone in this as I have made similar mistakes and I venture many others have as well.  We all like to win the day and our competitive natures sometimes over take our better judgment.  Scientists and experts are human too and while the data documented might not be faulty, data that did not fit the premise might have been omitted. The danger comes when the premise is not challenged.  I’ll get back to this point.  In the clip we have Dobbs challenging the global warming proponents.  TruthDig immediately shows their true colors with the aside “anti-immigrant poster boy” and the discussion is tainted.  Dobbs is not their favored son, we get it.  Why do they consider Dobbs so dangerous?  Does this make sense to you?  He’s a minor media figure at best, I would list about twenty other talking heads before Dobbs in national prominence.  To my reckoning the only danger Dobbs poses is that his points might have merit.  But they choose not to address the validity of his points.  They instead attack him on other levels.

Back to my earlier point regarding the challenging of experts.  I think it is safe to say that the financial expertise of Alan Greenspan should have been challenged more forcefully over the past 20 years. During Congressional testimony back in October of last year Henry Waxman pressed Greenspan on the meltdown.

Waxman: “In other words, you found that your view of the world, your ideology, was not right, it was not working,”

Greenspan: “Absolutely, precisely. You know, that’s precisely the reason I was shocked, because I have been going for 40 years or more with very considerable evidence that it was working exceptionally well.”

I don’t think that I’m going out on a limb saying that Greenspan was considered the pre-eminent American economist of our time.  Likely he is still considered that by many.  Would we be in a better place if he had been challenged? Wikipedia states on Greenspan:
“In 1997, the Wall Street Journal editorial page asserted that Greenspan believed one of his jobs as Chairman was to maintain a high enough level of worker insecurity to discourage employees from demanding pay raises and benefit increases.”  If only he had felt the same insecurity through more rigorous challenges of his worldview.  Economics and climatology are very different fields but I continue to believe experts as well as talking heads need to be challenged.

In the 1970’s and 80’s we had scientists, magazines and books touting “global cooling”.  We had Carl Sagan warning of catastrophic cooling leading to a new ice age.  Carl Sagan was no hack.  This thing is too complex.

Al Gore owns a 20-room mansion in Tennessee that reportedly uses between 12 and 20 times more energy than the national average.  While Snopes determined that Boy George Bush’s Texas ranch is engery efficient.  Who’d a thunk it?  Gore of course claims to buy “carbon offsets” to bring his footprint down to zero.  He purchases those through a company he is chairman and part owner of, Generation Investment Management.  And we’re right back to my first post, “follow the money”. (All The President’s Men)

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By samosamo, January 7, 2009 at 10:22 pm Link to this comment

By Hemi*, January 7 at 7:30 pm

I’m impressed as I said I would be and I knew that bryson bought the farm in the 80’s which makes me wonder what his place is in all this climate change stuff which is why I would have to read some work of his.  So I guess we’re back to where we started, neither of us too stupid nor too smart.

But, you accuse me of ‘not finding common ground’ yet you are the one who attacked me for trying to point out a very recent piece of research by a qualified scientist, a Pugh professor. I would ask you to describe that but the internet gives it a quick answer. Yet you said ‘Samo, I suspect that you find all experts with similarly respected credentials but dissenting opinions as unreliable. I’m guessing the late Reid Bryson for one’. No where did I say or indicate what you wrote here. So you suspect people that read other sources of information and from your reaction that irritates you.
As for the sunspot issue, sunspots indicate an active and warmer output of energy from the sun and no sunspots indicate less energy. As the earth whips around the sun in that circular to oblong orbit over 100K yrs, the wobble of the earth’s axis rotation and the inclination of 22 degrees to 24 degrees and back allows the amount of sunlight striking the earth in the hemispheres further from the sun to spread the amount of energy striking the earth over a larger area causing less heating. So, in the further reaches of the eliptic earth orbit even if the sun was in a very active state the amount of energy would be less than if it were on the closer part of the orbit. And when the precession and inclination are less extreme and the sunspot activity is high, the earth is warmed.
One thing, nothing is written in stone on climate change except according to at least this lastest research by Alley and the rest, the 10k yr melt of the ice sheets is coming to an end and the earth is about another 2k yrs from the beginning of another ice sheet build up. And this quaint little period of warm when we humans became agricultural, industrial and ‘civilized’ has lulled us into thinking that there is no such thing as the climate change to another ice age. And we won’t be around in 2k yrs to find out, and as a pessimistic guess, the whole human race won’t be around to witness another ice age with all the free wheeling pollution and environmental destruction and stupid human tricks that are taking place.
So what is the corrolation of the destruction of the rain forests have to do with global warming?

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By Hemi*, January 7, 2009 at 8:30 pm Link to this comment

“Don’t suppose you could tell me the significance of 100,000+/-10k, 41,000, 19,000 to 23,000 means? If you do, it would impress me” - samosamo

Well samo, I tried to find a little common ground but you insist on being a douche-nozel. I do love the “roid” comment though, it’s very effective in obscuring your massive intellect.

The 100,000+/-10k? I’m guessing you are referring to the approximate span of years it takes for the Earth’s orbit to change in shape from a nearly perfect circle to oval in shape. The term eccentricity refers to how much the shape of the orbit deviates from a circle.

The 41,000 I assume would also refer to years. That time span could correspond to variation in the tilt of the Earth’s axis. The tilt varies between 22 and 24 degrees over that span. The deviation of the axis from what we might consider vertical can be referred to as it’s obliquity.

Need I go on? For your sake….. 19,000 to 23,000? Years once more? Well that span would correspond to the cyclical wobble of the Earth’s axis toward and away from the sun as it spins. This wobble of the axis is caused mainly by the gravitational pull of the Sun, Moon, and other planets. Precession is the term used to describe this motion of the axis.

Now are you going to tell us how these observed variations in Earth-Sun geometry negate Dobbs’ assertions on sunspot activity and the climate?

Nah, you were just being cute. You rascal you!

It’s nice to see you read at an adult level but like you I’m easily impressed. The good Dr Bryson will not be impressed by either of us, at least as far as we can determine. He has returned to the cosmos. Yep, he bought the farm back in June of ‘08. But luckily for us his writings live on.

Enjoy the Kool Aid samo, I hear the green is yummy!

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By samosamo, January 7, 2009 at 4:06 pm Link to this comment

By Hemi*, January 7 at 12:04 pm

Hey, hemi*roid, carry your dumb ass back to the neocon cato institute and snort some freon or someother noxious gas. You wouldn’t know real research if it was spelled out in kindergarden for you. And what better subject to confuse people with than climate change. You must be part of the msm’s attempt to keep the people in a continuous state of ignorance. The saddest part to me is that you, me and most everybody else alive today will not get to see the real effects of climate change of which something like global warming is just a small part about like you are to people.
Don’t suppose you could tell me the significance of 100,000+/-10k, 41,000, 19,000 to 23,000 means? If you do, it would impress me and I am guessing it would also impress Reid Bryson if you could. Nothing about climate change happens on set time tables and intensities but you act out to be the expert so you tell us, in detail.
Oh, thanks for the tip on bryson because I have never heard of him but he seems to have some works out that may help explain climate change, just like the ‘Pugh Professor’ I mention has done but very much to your display of disgust. Is it natural or do you really have to ‘try’ to be so negative about a lot of things and are your sources the only valid ones? Now, I will see where I might find some of bryson’s books, hmmm amazon has a few.

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By nickysin, January 7, 2009 at 3:16 pm Link to this comment
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TV = advertising
advertising = bullshit
therefore, TV is bullshit.

Another question might address the issue of watching televised media: why do so many people bother? Let’s stick to print, end of story.

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By Sunny Jim, January 7, 2009 at 3:09 pm Link to this comment

As Professor Harold Hill sang:

“. . . my friends,
Ya got trouble,
Right here in River city!
With a capital “T”
And that rhymes with “P”
And that stands for Pool.
We’ve surely got trouble!
Right here in River City!
Remember the Maine, Plymouth Rock and the Golden Rule!
Oh, we’ve got trouble.
We’re in terrible, terrible trouble.”

We are such easy pickings, aren’t we?
Lets subsidize some wind turbines. Lets pay someone to plant trees in our name. But don’t stop to question.

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By Nozferatu, January 7, 2009 at 2:59 pm Link to this comment

Truedigger:

I wish your maybe was true…but it’s not.

We’re fucked.  And unfortunately people like Dobbs do nothing but hinder any chance…any chance…we have at all.

I don’t think some people realize truly the magnitude of trouble we are in.

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By truedigger3, January 7, 2009 at 2:54 pm Link to this comment

Give Lou Dobbs a break. The guy is just presenting
several points of views and he is expressing some doubts that all.
In the past the earth went through severaral ice ages followed by warming periods with rise and fall in the oceans and seas levels. That is a proven fact.
That is how the orignial inhabitants of the Americas
crossed the berring sea from Siberia and the aborigines of Australia walked in the Ocean from south Asia to Australia.
With that said, carbon dioxide should still be limited because it is accompanied with many pollutants. You reduce carbon dioxide then the result
will be you reduce pollution. Besides carbon dioxide
may be enhancing and accelerating global warming that
the result of other causes.  Maybe.??!!

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By Nozferatu, January 7, 2009 at 2:21 pm Link to this comment

Wow…Lou Dobbs is a douchebag.

Signed…engineer who works in the green industry.

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By sue, January 7, 2009 at 2:13 pm Link to this comment
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COW TAX?!?  Did anyone watch the video?  Did I hear that right?  So the millions of buffalo who once graced these lands were guilty of global warming flatulence!  Now we might see how climate science is used for purely political ends and nothing more.  People die from cancer every year.  Is anything done to eliminate the chemicals in the food we eat?  Yes the world faces extreme environmental challenges which must be addressed but climate shock is being used to push some UN left-wing agenda.

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By Hulk2008, January 7, 2009 at 1:36 pm Link to this comment

While the naysayers and media wonks argue about the number of angels on the head of a pin and decry estimates of global warming, the earth really IS being poisoned - and it’s not the sun spot cycle.  Take a quick trip to China, land of prison labor and backyard blast furnaces - they are belching out enough coal dirt, CO2, H2SO4, and CO to choke the likes of even Lou Dobbs.  Tour the Mequiladores to see effluvient pouring from every factory and makeshift sewer.  Take a helicopter near Tijuana to see the lovely fecal matter flowing out for miles. Trot up to Greenland to check out all the browned out tundra that used to be solid ice pack.  Drive thru any American city long enough and you’ll treat yourself to a wide variety of airborne “stuff” that wasn’t there a hundred years ago - not to mention seeing fecal foam floating on rivers from sewage “treatment” plants. 
  It doesn’t take a Nobel Laureate to realize that things are NOT as they should be.  Those guys/gals that seem to love puking on our environment are probably the same ones that throw cigarette butts, McD bags, and beer bottles into other folks’ lawns.  To quote the little girl from “Hook”, “...they just need a mother” -  It’s not just bad science, it’s downright bad manners.

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By giles, January 7, 2009 at 1:35 pm Link to this comment

A problem with relying on original, archival resources is that the research needs to be exhaustive - comprehensive, thorough. Relying on only a few journals from the Oregon Trail wouldn’t provide a complete picture. Thorough reading of all the extant journals, letters, and interviews would. To do that, one would need to be well-versed in research methodology, have access to archives, and have a solid grounding in the period.

It has been a while since I’ve closely read Hofstadter’s work, but I think he relied more on work that had synthesized primary sources, not creating mythology.

A corollary would be using the IPCC reports as a secondary resource that documents the original research papers and bundles them together to form a solid, cohesive piece establishing the basis for developing a plan of action.

And, note that IPCC reports do include research into solar and other variables and include them in their findings. See chapters 1,2,6,9 (http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/ar4-wg1.htm) for examples.


Hofstadter’s essay is available: http://harpers.org/archive/1964/11/page/0079  also.

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By Hemi*, January 7, 2009 at 1:04 pm Link to this comment

Interesting quote: “I find it reliable as Alley is Pugh Professor of Geosciences at Penn State University where he teaches and conducts research on climate change and glacier behavior.” - samosamo

Samo, I suspect that you find all experts with similarly respected credentials but dissenting opinions as unreliable. I’m guessing the late Reid Bryson for one. Bryson, made a Global Laureate by the United Nations Global Environment Program in 1990, was Emeritus Professor and founding chairman of the University of Wisconsin Department of Meteorology, what is now the Department of Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences. (What do the UN or the U of W know?) Bryson was the Founding Director of The Gaylord Nelson Institute for Environmental Studies at the University of Wisconsin, Madison.

“There is very little truth to what is being said and an awful lot of religion. It’s almost a religion. Where you have to believe in anthropogenic global warming or else you are nuts.” - Reid Bryson

I find this reliable as Bryson was the blah, blah, blah, yadda, yadda, yadda…..... There now, this dog is as big as your dog. The “Pugh Professor of Geosciences at Penn State University” means as much in the big scheme as “Founding Director of The Gaylord Nelson Institute for Environmental Studies”. You and I are not experts nor do we know what academic title trumps the rest. Can we agree that experts disagree? Or do we continue the battle of the search engines? That Alley wrote a book, included his findings and you have read it is fine. All of these experts have written books. There’s a book that insists the world has four corners too. My suspicion is that any experts that we quote are supported by funding either corporate or govermental in basis (as if there is a difference). Once again I submit, two teams, one owner.

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By moe, January 7, 2009 at 12:35 pm Link to this comment
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Is there a subject this halfwit doesn’t know about? Any threat to the old corporate structure is critical to him. Protecting the “old guard” is his bread and butter.

Thank God he will be long dead before the shock hits planet earth!

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By Hulk2008, January 7, 2009 at 12:27 pm Link to this comment
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As usual, Dobbs, right-wingers, and the other new-mooners sit around dreaming up one-off reasons why this or that scientific finding is completely wrong.  As Hemi* suggested, “follow the money”.  The vast preponderance of money has supported the blocking of any and all environmental efforts.  Big business, big media, big EVERYthing wants to keep the status quo, then go even farther raping the Earth.  There have even been lengthy “scientific” programs on Bible-thumper TV purporting to disprove all facets of science, especially evolution.  They take biblical admonitions to “go forth and multiply” and “dominate the earth” to extremes. 
    Sure, global warming is affected by sun spots .. CO2 .. animal gas .. El Nino ..ad infinitum.  And THAT’s the very point:  the environment is being putrified by a variety of poisonous sources, many are man-made and nearly out of control.  Only idiots, suicidal maniacs, and humans with short-sighted greed support the continuing wasting of nature.  Even dogs and swine don’t defecate into their drinking water .... at least while the leash is long enough. 
  I’ll bet one could find a scientific study that proves Lou Dobbs is just a Saturday morning kiddie cartoon.  Please, Klaatu, save us from ourselves !

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By Arthur Browne, January 7, 2009 at 11:39 am Link to this comment
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On Hofstadter:

“The sharp criticism leveled at his Social Darwinism exposed one of Hofstadter’s major weaknesses as a historian: he did little research in manuscripts, newspapers, or other archival or unpublished sources. Instead he relied primarily on his wide-ranging interdisciplinary imagination, spinning very well-written theories around a slender base of evidence drawn from published books.” excerpted from Wikipedia

I’m not inclined to believe everything espoused in Wikipedia. That said, I would at least be inclined to characterize Mr Hofstadter as a myth-weaving intellectual. Perhaps Mr Gore is of the same cloth.

Is there anything more paranoid in style than to describe those of dissenting opinion as having angry minds? I think Richard Hofstadter lived during a time where political polarities permanently blinded nearly all Americans to the shades of gray that color self-evident truth. Nothing has changed.

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By samosamo, January 7, 2009 at 10:56 am Link to this comment

I don’t know lou, you are right that sunspots have a bearing on global warming and you are not right about sunspots bearing on global warming. It has been identified around the year 1700 that a scarcity of sunspots for a few decades reduced the energy output from the sun by about 2/10 of 1% which corresponds to the Little Ice Age, the few centuries before the 20th century, but did not create the little ice age. But this is all in a book by Richard Alley titled ‘The Two-Mile Time Machine’ a 229 page book relating the lastest findings on climate change. I find it reliable as Alley is Pugh Professor of Geosciences at Penn State University where he teaches and conducts research on climate change and glacier behavior.
Being a book, I would assume very few have read it and not many will go to the trouble to read it but it does give relatively accurate information about climate change and information on what drives climate change. A sneak peak; it describes the recognized full ice age cycle of the latest several million years and the several other inner-cycles that create and drive climate change which includes current information on global warming.
Probably would draw more interest and attention if disney world would do a cartoon of for those unacustomed to reading for information.
Thanks GILES for the reminder to be AWARE of the reliability of a source of information.

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By giles, January 7, 2009 at 10:01 am Link to this comment

“American politics has often been an arena for angry minds. In recent years we have seen angry minds at work mainly among extreme right-wingers, who have now demonstrated in the Goldwater movement how much political leverage can be got out of the animosities and passions of a small minority. But behind this I believe there is a style of mind that is far from new and that is not necessarily right-wind. I call it the paranoid style simply because no other word adequately evokes the sense of heated exaggeration, suspiciousness, and conspiratorial fantasy that I have in mind”
Richard Hofstadter ‘The Paranoid Style in American Politics’
Harper’s Magazine, November 1964, pp. 77-86. http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/conspiracy_theory/the_paranoid_mentality/the_paranoid_style.html

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By obladee, January 7, 2009 at 9:52 am Link to this comment
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There have been innumerable changes in the earths weather in the past the there will continue to be.  The political ramifications co2 causing global warming imply that first world governments and corporations can remain at an technological advantage over the rest of the world.  There are many scientists not affiliated with oil companies who challenge the science of global warming.

On the other hand there are severe environmental catastrophes in the making right now which are not being addressed.  Consider the deluge in Tennessee; all the plastic in our oceans getting into the fish etc.  These are concrete problems which can be addressed.

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By Hemi*, January 7, 2009 at 9:42 am Link to this comment

Dobbs is correct. Follow the money on this “warming” phenomenon. Without global warming GE, in the tank for the Dems, does not make their future fortune on windmills. Algore does not make his future fortune on mercury-laden light bulbs. TruthDig does not make it’s future pennies on sh*thammering any independent centrist like Dobbs.

So much of what we are being fed is crap. If you think that the current Gaza turmoil is all about the Hatfields and McCoys and their centuries old pissing contest you are sadly mistaken. Follow the money. Iran and Russia are stirring the mid-east pot trying to recapture lost oil revenues. Iranians don’t give a flying f*ck how many of their Palestinian brothers are martyred for the oil. They knew what the Israeli response would be and now that the region is “unstable” the price of oil will magically rise. But there’s no connection, right? Or should I say left?

And the protests against the Israeli attacks, where were the world-wide protests when the Hamas missiles were killing an Israeli or two? Non-existent, that’ where. Of course the loss of life is horrible, where was the outrage for the Israeli losses? I guess not enough Israelis died to deserve attention. A few isolated deaths are not terrible, only mass destruction. I get it. Both sides are wrong, everything about the conflict is wrong. But Hamas is a lot scarier to the world and so the Palestinians get the pity. And who plopped a sh*tload of European Jews down in the mid-east in the 40’s to begin with? Why the UN of course. Why didn’t they give Germany to the Jews? Because it was all an NWO pile of crap. Thank you Prescott Bush.

Look at how the global warming proponents act and judge them by their personal actions. If Algore believed that private jets were part of the cause he wouldn’t be flying to “kiss Algore’s ass conferences” around the globe. He could be sending his message around the globe from his living room via tele-conference. Remember, didn’t he invent this Internet thingee or something?

You on the other hand need to cut down on your excessive driving. You’re a bad person. Nascar drivers on the other hand are still making 200 MPH left turns every weekend. Not to mention the testing that goes on all week long. How many Hollywood blockbusters continue to use more energy in all forms to crank out an 80 minute diversion than a small town uses in a year? What every football game needs is a Blue Angel fly-over. That’s money and energy well spent. “Gee Fred, what freakin’ nation are we living in? Oh, yeah! There’s the Blue Angels, we’re in the USA. Now I can enjoy the game!” And every one of those 80 thousand fans took mass transit, right? Get real. The hypocrisy never ends. The Blue Angels can do football games but protect NYC from air assaults? Nah! Thank you George, Dick and Co. By the way, they’re on the Obama team too! Two teams, one owner. These “teams” never lose. Oops, sorry I spoiled the ending.

No, I’m not paranoid. Everybody is out to get me and out to get “theirs”. When you work from that basis a lot of things fall into place. The latest crap I’ve heard, correct me please, is that one of the largest carbon emitting corporations in Europe lobbied, due to their size, for extra carbon credits. They then went and sold these excess carbon credits to smaller companies that could not lobby for favors. All this while never lowering their own carbon emissions. The rich get richer and the small, innovative and legitimate get bludgeoned into oblivion. New World Odor! And yes it’s an odor and the beat goes on.

Pollution and excess is bad, there’s no argument. Blind obedience is worse.

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By giles, January 7, 2009 at 9:35 am Link to this comment

It seems incredible that no one on LD’s staff did a bit of research before giving him the sources he cited. Then again, even a bit of SnopeRadar would have prevented another instance of social embarrassment.

Easy enough to check the quality of research and resources:


  * http://www3.widener.edu/Academics/Libraries/Wolfgram_Memorial_Library/Evaluate_Web_Pages/659/
  * http://www.rbs0.com/credible.pdf
  * http://library.usm.maine.edu/research/researchguides/webeval.php
  * http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/TeachingLib/Guides/Internet/Evaluate.html
  * http://www.library.cornell.edu/olinuris/ref/research/skill26.htm
  * http://libweb.uoregon.edu/guides/findarticles/credibility.html
  * http://credibility.stanford.edu/
  * http://www.library.cornell.edu/olinuris/ref/research/webeval.html

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By Ed, January 7, 2009 at 8:54 am Link to this comment
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People (like Dobbs) that question the conclusions of climate scientists think it’s okay to continue emitting carbon dioxide at current levels? Are they questioning carbon dioxide’s properties as a greenhouse gas? Or is this a callous disregard for the well-being of future generations of humans and other species so as not to disrupt opulent lifestyles?

Calling these people pigs is an insult to hogs.

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By John K, January 7, 2009 at 8:20 am Link to this comment

I’m interested in the truth, as we all are, and I have heard about this sun spot information from other sources. 

Contrary to popular opinion, not all scientists actually agree on the cause of global warming.  And it’s not just those scientists in the employ of the oil companies.

Author Michael Crichton did a talk on this subject that I found really interesting.  http://www.michaelcrichton.net/speech-ourenvironmentalfuture.html

Crichton had nothing to gain by going against the grain here and he makes many compelling points.

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By Purple Girl, January 7, 2009 at 8:05 am Link to this comment

Good Try Lou, but you’ve missed the Point as usual.
Granted sun spot activity can (and has) effected our the Earth environment, however it has not been the cause of air or water contamination. It has not been the cause of illness & diseases caused by a contaminated environment.Sun spots effect the entire Globe All At Once, not just particular areas (LA smog, Exxon Valdez)
Funny how ‘Made in God’s Image’ is limited to the purely physical, but never to our abilities. Humans are the ONLY species on the planet that can effect the entire planet. We are ‘images’ of God because we are Creators and Movers. Thus we are the Stewards, not just helpless bystanders.
Those who deny Global Warming and want to deny their responsiblities as the supreme species are not only doing a disservice to their fellow man and other species, they are spitting in the face of the one who placed Us at the top of the Evolutionary ladder.We not only CAN change things, We are Mandated by god (or nature) to do so!

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By Can O Whoopass, January 7, 2009 at 7:29 am Link to this comment
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Dobbs replied, “Mooooooo”... farRRT!

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By Little Brother, January 7, 2009 at 6:57 am Link to this comment

Global warming caused by a “solar sun spot activity cycle.”?

Utter claptrap!

Dobbs knows perfectly well that global warming is caused by the Hispanic community’s overuse of hot peppers!

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By nino, January 7, 2009 at 5:07 am Link to this comment

and the cow jumped over the moon

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By Richard Eliot, January 7, 2009 at 4:14 am Link to this comment
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All I have to say is “HOCKEY STICK”

global warming as being a man-made phenom is a joke.

Only those who want a global carbon tax, and the infrastructure to control it, and to control us “carbonites” believe in the hoax.

Problem is the “hoax is on us” when we have to pay money to pas gas..or exhale carbon dioxide.

Maybe they’ll have a “war on carbon”, like the “war on drugs”.

Nonesense….but some drippy doo gooders will get behind this and shoulder to the wheel.

Such pawns, lacky’s and water carriers.

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By Christgian de Coninck, January 7, 2009 at 3:25 am Link to this comment
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Well actually sunspot activity and the Sun’s energy oputput are both variables, so it’s not nonsense…it should be part of IPCC’s models which have yet to get anything right by the way. So YES, it’s an interesting time for the Sun, and indeed its’ massive heliosphere, which is rapidly reseeding from the interstellar boundary.

Of course, Dobbs takes the argument too far becasue he doesn’t really know what he is talking about. BUt neither does the TruthDig scribe here…

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