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Are We Winning the War on Terror?

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Posted on Dec 13, 2008
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This week’s Mosaic Intelligence Report takes stock of recent attacks in Iraq and India and outlines the challenges that President-elect Barack Obama must face if he hopes to succeed where George Bush has failed in his vaunted “global war on terror.”

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By mike112769, December 16, 2008 at 7:16 pm Link to this comment

Fadel: On that we agree.

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By Fadel Abdallah, December 16, 2008 at 12:51 pm Link to this comment

Are we winning the war on terror?

What a silly question?! In fact, we are accelerating and compounding the worst forms of terrorism: state-sponsored terrorism against unlucky disadvantaged third world countries which don’t have any of the weapons of mass destruction we have and keep supporting with our tax-payers’ money!

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By mike112769, December 15, 2008 at 7:14 pm Link to this comment

Fadel: I will not defend my opinion. You are determined to blame EVERYTHING on the West. “Some people, you just can’t reach”. Also, the last time I checked, I was not a baby goat. Calling someone names is just pathetic. There are a few people here on TD who are SO convinced of their rightness, that their opinions are the only one of any value. That kind of attitude is how the world got into this mess to begin with. Rarely is there black and white. The world is more often shades of gray. Have a nice day!

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By Not Ubiquitous Like Fadel Abdallah, December 15, 2008 at 3:46 pm Link to this comment
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Oh I see Fadel, Middle East turmoil starts in 1917?
Seems to me Xerxes and Leonidas were duking it out
about 2500 years before that.  The Persian
crusaders were trying to get a piece of the
Balkans that time.  No Brits involved in that one,
just Greeks and Persians.

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By Fadel Abdallah, December 15, 2008 at 3:41 pm Link to this comment

By Bldng4Jstc, December 15 at 10:28 am #

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By mike112769, December 14 at 7:34 pm #
It is not cynical to let them solve their own problems. Mid-East turmoil predates America.
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You are deadly wrong about claiming that “Mid-East turmoil predates America.” Mid-East turmoil started in 1917 with the imperialist British Balfour Declaration. You need a remedial course on world history, kid!
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To say the Mid-East turmoil began in 1917 is saying that the Mid-East was a bunch of nomad tribes who never interacted with eachother.  The ignorance of Britain did screw things up more but the Middle East has a lengthy history that the west continues to deem insignificant.
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Don’t try to play the smart Bldng4Jstc!

As a professor of history, I know pretty well that the Mid-East is the cradle of civilization and it had a very rich history when Europe was in its Dark Ages and America was non existent.

The reference to 1917 was specifically the reference to the beginning of the Arab-Israeli conflict that brought turmoil to the whole region since it was a colonialist project to divide and conquer!

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By Bldng4Jstc, December 15, 2008 at 11:28 am Link to this comment

By Fadel Abdallah, December 15 at 9:47 am #

By mike112769, December 14 at 7:34 pm #
It is not cynical to let them solve their own problems. Mid-East turmoil predates America.
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You are deadly wrong about claiming that “Mid-East turmoil predates America.” Mid-East turmoil started in 1917 with the imperialist British Balfour Declaration. You need a remedial course on world history, kid!
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To say the Mid-East turmoil began in 1917 is saying that the Mid-East was a bunch of nomad tribes who never interacted with eachother.  The ignorance of Britain did screw things up more but the Middle East has a lengthy history that the west continues to deem insignificant.

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By Fadel Abdallah, December 15, 2008 at 10:47 am Link to this comment

By mike112769, December 14 at 7:34 pm #

It is not cynical to let them solve their own problems. Mid-East turmoil predates America.
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You are deadly wrong about claiming that “Mid-East turmoil predates America.” Mid-East turmoil started in 1917 with the imperialist British Balfour Declaration. You need a remedial course on world history, kid!

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By mike112769, December 14, 2008 at 8:34 pm Link to this comment

It is not cynical to let them solve their own problems. Mid-East turmoil predates America. Why should we keep forcing our values on them? Our “help” has made things worse. “Terrorism” will never die. Anyone who is anti-establishment can be called a terrorist by the establishment. I still say we should let them help themselves.

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By Lev, December 14, 2008 at 7:54 pm Link to this comment
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“There is no such thing as a war on terror.”

Correct, and it should more accurately be called the “Series of Wars for Energy Resource Dominance” because that’s what every theater in it revolves around, from the Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan nat.gas pipeline project to the fact that Iraq is sitting on a lake of oil, to goading Ethiopia into invading Somalia so a puppet government could be set up to grant oil exploration concessions to the U.S. and U.S.-friendly oil multinationals. To “Operation Enduring Freedom: Pankisi Gorge”, the stationing of a couple hundred Green Berets in former-Soviet Georgia to train the Georgian army to defend the Baku-Tblisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline which runs from Azeri oil fields across Georgia to a Turkish port, bypassing Russia. That’s what it’s all about. The U.S. (and on its coattails Britain and to a lesser extent Australia) gaining as much control as possible over the world’s remaining oil and natural gas resources. The 9/11 inside job was just to provide the pretext. Bush had warplans on his desk for the invasion of Afghanistan ready for his signature two days before it.

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By bill natsios, December 14, 2008 at 6:36 pm Link to this comment
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let’s not exagerate what the photo means. But didn’t the attacks happen during the Hajj season? Also the report says that 1.5 billion Moslems are held hostage to few terrorists actions.

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By DocReality, December 14, 2008 at 5:59 pm Link to this comment

Get rid of the Mossad, MI5 and the CIA and you will be rid of the terrorist act. Eliminate the controlling elites who use terrorism as a tool of fear and you eliminate the problem.
Al Qaeda is a CIA prop. Israels game of global hegemony based in London and NY and its Anglo enablers are the scourge of humanity and must be identified, exposed and eradicated.

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By Muscleboy, December 14, 2008 at 2:38 pm Link to this comment

THE WAR ON TERROR IS A SCAM PERPETRATED BY THE DEFENSE INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX AND THE EVIL SUB GROUP OF ZIONISTS WHO THINK IT WILL GIVE THEM MORE POWER BY PITTING THE WEST AGAINST THE ARABS.

THIS VIDEO IS THE LEGITIMATE WAR ON TERROR.  BUSH IS ONE OF THE WORST TERRORISTS IN HISTORY AND WE HAVE A DECENT REPORTER FIGHTING THIS CRIMINAL PSYCOPATH:

Best video you have seen in 8 years:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfYBGl9q30c

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By Fadel Abdallah, December 14, 2008 at 1:34 pm Link to this comment

By troublesum, December 14 at 11:18 am #

The photo accompanying this video implies that all Moslems are terrorists and that Islam itself is a terrorist organization.  I would expect the editors of TD to know better.
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Yes, troublesum, I do second your concern and commend you for your sharp observation!

On the other hand, shame on you TD for being associating a topic on terrorism with one of the most peaceful and sacred rituals of Islam!

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By blog dog, December 14, 2008 at 12:21 pm Link to this comment
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This report fails glaringly for lack of any mention of False Flag Provocation - obvious from 9/11 to Mumbai and overwhelmingly suspect for many incidents in between: 7/7, Madrid, numerous provocations to incite Civil War in Iraq and many, many more. Geopolitics is totally skewed by flase-flag, pseudo-gang provocations.

As I’ve cited before:

1. The Global War Of Terror is GLADIO for the 21st C.  http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/FLO502B.html

2. The myth of Islamofascism is Monolithic Communism for the 21st C.
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2007/08/david-horowitz-declares-islamo-fascism.html

The goal is to fail all self-determinant states everywhere. Bring whole populations to their knees. Make us all beg for protection - oldest racket in the book.

But, what of incompetence? Great cover. What of blowback? Better cover, easily provoked and nurtured. Who could do this? CIA/MI6/MOSSAD - a global nexus in service to the New World Oligarchy.

Please believe me when I write that I sincerely hope I’m wrong in my fear that Obama is no solution, just the next useful fool in the NWO scheme to dominate everyone, everywhere. Tarpley’s a brilliant historian, but I hope he’s wrong too.

http://www.amazon.com/Obama-Postmodern-Making-Manchurian-Candidate/dp/0930852885

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By troublesum, December 14, 2008 at 12:18 pm Link to this comment

The photo accompanying this video implies that all Moslems are terrorists and that Islam itself is a terrorist organization.  I would expect the editors of TD to know better.

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By arcticdan, December 14, 2008 at 11:51 am Link to this comment

I do not see why it is required to show an Islamic Holy site each time you are talking about terrorism. Are you trying to say that all the Muslims in the world are terrorists. That is the inference.

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By Fadel Abdallah, December 14, 2008 at 10:30 am Link to this comment

If there is such thing as trying to win the war on terror, this would mean that those who raise this claim must become the ultimate terrorists themselves! And this would only perpetuate terrorism in its minor and major forms.

Consider the U.S. military-industrial complex and Israel terrorist state (i.e. major terrorists). As these two entities claim to be fighting terrorism, they are perpetuating, with their state-sponsored terrorism, the other minor cases of isolated and localized terrorism and adding fuel to this fire that will likely consume the big and small terrorist entities, based on the law of physics that for every action there is a reaction similar to it in force and opposite to it in direction!

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By Old Geezer Pilot, December 14, 2008 at 9:34 am Link to this comment
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The so-called war on terror wasn’t even about the oil per se. It was about reversing Saddam’s decision to sell it for Euros, thus breaking the strangle hold that US banks have on keeping the Dollar as the official reserve currency. That is why, with America making less and less goods, the dollar is still in demand with the developing countries for their oil purchases. And it is what allowed Wall $treet and the FED to print more of it and create casino derivatives to put it to use. If we switched away from oil (we have had nuke technology for years - look at France), the Dollar would only be good for what it can buy, and most of that is now made in China.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. Within 24 hours, Iraq’s oil was back on the US Dollar, and all the drilling contracts with EU nations, China, and Russia were canceled.

You just had to know what the mission was.

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By nrobi, December 14, 2008 at 8:57 am Link to this comment

Re: Cyrena, yet again spot on!  This has never been about a war on terror, but a war on the “terrorist’s” and a war on the Middle East’s resources.
We have created so many of the “terrorist” regimes in the Middle East, that we cannot count the number, i.e.
Saddam Hussein, Shah Rezah Pahlavi, the Mujahaddein, Al-Qeada, and most of the others to counteract the Iranian Islamic regime.
Why this country has to meddle in the affairs of oil-rich Middle East countries is beyond me.  We have enough of our own oil to make up the difference that would be lost if we decided to cut off the Saudis and all the other foreign suppliers.  Yet no one will posit this premise for lack of “votes and dollars!”
We are a nation addicted to foreign oil and to break this monopoly, we must re-engineer our power supply system to accept new kinds of energy.  Yet the politicians do not have enough balls and guts to stand up to the oil companies, car companies and all the other suppliers that surround the oil industry.
Somehow, someway, we the people must demand clean energy, and not “clean coal.”  There is no such thing
as clean coal, never was, never will be.
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Now to the crux of the matter. This “war on terror,” has always been about stamping out any resistance from the people of the Middle East, who want and demand to be left alone. They do not desire Western Values and have no reason to engage the West in trade other than to sell oil and the concomitant supplies.
We, the imperialistic West, have tried to shove Western style democracy down the throats of the people of the Middle East for hundreds of years, and as of yet have not been successful in our endeavours.
Why should we the people, now believe that because of
the fight against Al-Qaeda, and other insurgent groups, that the governments of the West are going to be successful is beyond my imagination.
The people in power in the West are living in an “Alice-in-Wonderland,” world if they think that by subduing the insurgents in one area, they can spread Western style democracy to all of the rest of the Middle East.  This postulate has been put forth by your local neo-conservative, non-history reading shit
for brains do-gooder. One must study the history of the Middle East and the West’s interaction with it, to know that the people of the Middle East, and the tribal factions and their rulers have resisted Western style democracy for at minimum of 150 years.
We cannot force democracy down the throats of a people that do not want it by the barrel of a weapon.
Should the United States, continue in this frivolous and futile effort, we will be forced to retreat and withdraw all of our troops from the region, knowing full well, that we have created the monster that controls the Middle Eastern countries with our meddling.
I am satisfied that the neo-cons have not read history, and that they will go down as the most failed administration in the history of the U.S.
Should we continue, we are doomed to defeat, the only
way to get ourselves out of this quagmire, is to develop new sources of renewable energy. This energy that we would control and leave the jihadists to themselves and strengthen our borders, so that we would be able to defend ourselves against the inevitable attack that is coming unless we withdraw immediately from the region.

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By randyha, December 14, 2008 at 8:12 am Link to this comment

Yes, “We are winning”!
Thank you President Bush. LOL

Bush fans still believe their own bulsh*t!

If we winning the “war on terror” how come we’ve had more terror attacks around the globe since 9/11 than we’ve ever had before?

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By ThnkUBush, December 14, 2008 at 7:38 am Link to this comment

Al Qaeda types are being turned away all over the world. UBL’s image among Muslims is dwindling around the globe. The masterminds and “top players”—murderers—of 9/11 are dead, in custody or in hiding.

Yes, “We are winning”!

Thank you President Bush.

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By Expat, December 14, 2008 at 6:15 am Link to this comment

pinko, December 14 at 3:39 am;
Ever heard of a Buddhist terrorist?
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Yeah, come to Thailand.  There are some.  In fairness, the majority of Buddhists are peaceful.  But then that’s the point isn’t, every religion has it’s radicals.  The majority of all religions are not terrorists.

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By pinko, December 14, 2008 at 4:39 am Link to this comment

Oh, so it’s actually a war on Islam?  Maybe that’s because all these terrorists are Muslim.  Ever heard of a Buddhist terrorist?

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By cyrena, December 14, 2008 at 2:46 am Link to this comment

This is another excellent video report, and one that Obama really SHOULD see and consider. Jamal lists all of the very reasons that form the nucleus for the terror that has been generated by this regime.

It’s NEVER been a ‘war ON terror’ because it’s ALWAYS been a ‘war OF terror’, planned and perpetrated by the Cheney regime to destabilize the Middle East, which is exactly what they’ve accomplished. The OBVIOUS and pre-determined result of such an effort would be the increase in global terrorism. They were of course well advised that this destabilization WOULD occur, (but that was the point) and that there would be global resistance, with millions of innocents caught in the crossfire.

And yes, the denial of the Israel-Palestine conflict as the root of the so-called radical extremism, is something that will have to end. The progressive academic community has known this for a long time now, and has not been shy about making it known, so I’m sure Obama is well aware of this himself. The research is solid, and the history is on the record.

There has been NO DOUBT in the past 7 years, that the next president, (which we didn’t get 4 years ago) WHOMEVER it was, was going to have to deal with Israel. It was never gonna be the Dick Bush Regime, because they’ve only fed the beast, and made it more dangerous to every other state in the Middle East. And the blowback has been splattered all over the West as well.

It would seem to be a question of either breathtaking naivety, or the epitome of cynicism to suggest that “everyone else should solve their own problems” when they are ‘problems’ of the US making, even if it’s just this one regime of terrorists responsible.

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By randyha, December 14, 2008 at 12:59 am Link to this comment

We have created more terrorists around the world since Bush launched his so called “war on terrorism.” More people now hate us than ever. Also what do you call the killing of 1 million Iraqis?

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By mike112769, December 13, 2008 at 9:52 pm Link to this comment

There is no such thing as a war on terror. It is an assault on our liberties. They want to keep us scared so they can control us. Remember: “A man who will give up some liberties to preserve his life deserves neither”. The government needs to screw off and let us live our own lives. I for one do not want or need cradle to the grave care. I’m more afraid of my government than I am of a suicide bomber. Forget the rest of the world and fix our country. One man’s “terrorist” is another man’s hero. Our point of view is not always right. Bring ALL of our troops home, and let everyone else solve their own problems. Contrary to popular belief, we are NOT the world’s policemen.

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