Maani:

  It is good to see that you do have a mind. As you said “Thus, we are OBLIGATED to “alter” or “abolish” (i.e., overthrow) the government when it becomes “destructive” of its primary structure: deriving its powers from the consent of the governed.” The DOI is telling the English why we will no longer be a colony and what we will not accept as a government. The DOI can be seen as a mandate for what the PEOPLE must do when a government is “destructive”. The DOI is talking about citizens not the government that rules over them. We do not take any laws or regualtion from the DOI, our current government is based on the Constitution. You can say the the DOI is part of what should be the american ideology, but that does not make it part of the base of our government.

prof:

The DOI “has nothing to do with the U.S. government?”  Are you kidding?  It speaks DIRECTLY to the people’s responsibility in that regard:

“That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.—Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter heir former systems of government.”

Thus, we are OBLIGATED to “alter” or “abolish” (i.e., overthrow) the government when it becomes “destructive” of its primary structure: deriving its powers from the consent of the governed.

You really need to get out more…

Peace.

Hello all

Maani
  The DOI(Declaration of Independence) has nothing to do with the US government. Plz know what you are talking about before you say something. Yes we have some socialism in the us government. Obama wants more.

davidperi
  “There is no, absolutely no country in the world that did this…it didn´t work in the USSR when even Lenin wrote that communism wasn´t working. It doesn´t work in Europe or the Scandianvian countries. ” How can you say no one did this then say oh execpt USSR and a few others?

CHILDREN OF ISRAEL
  Thank you for tell me that because I shave my head so I don’t look stupid with the little hair I have left that i hate jews and other. Thank you I never knew that about my self.

and you wonder why the repugs look down on you.

I’ve said this before.  The Repugs count on the ignorance of most Americans as to what the DOI and Constitution actually say.  In this case, it is the taxes/socialism debate.  Yet if people knew their Constitution, they would know that the two reasons for collecting taxes are to help pay for the services the government provides, and…what is called “apportionment” - which is essentially “spreading the wealth around.”

Whoa to a country whose citizens do not even know the basics of their own political system!

Peace.

Socialism…I do not understand the thinking of Palin, etc..of what makes up a socialist…what you thought was yours it would be collective given to others.

There is no, absolutely no country in the world that did this…it didn´t work in the USSR when even Lenin wrote that communism wasn´t working. It doesn´t work in Europe or the Scandianvian countries.

Children to Israel, go to http://www.democracynow.org and see the video piece about the neo-nazis and their like wanting a revolution.  Isn´t it interesting that no one…absolutely no one…has mentioned Palin and her husband once palling around with some of the extreme successionist groups in Alaska that just hate the lower 48.

Come on ‘Trickle Down’ was Innately a feudalsitic system.
May be I can Help even Joe the Plumber figure this one out…Stick with me ‘Joe’
So to have something which you can ‘Trickle Down’, You must have first Accumulated it and Build some type of a Retaining system right? something to HOLD it BACK, otherwise you would be unable to gradually dispense it in Increments, right? If you do not want to allow it to be disseminated Too much or too far you regulate it into a Trickle. Because if you do you will not have anything left in your reservior.
So Joe, How does the ‘Bladder’ get filled to begin with…Labor. And Who are the ones who act as a Retainer…The Wealthy. And Who are they holding back the ‘liquidty’ From….YOU and Me!
Do You think it possible we would Drown in the Fruits of our Labor? NO , we would flourish. So who is taking your money, those who LOVE ‘Trickle Down’ because they are the Benefactors and controllers of it.
Joe does this not spark a flash of recognition from your school days? Joe does this not sound alot like the system which Ignited a Revolution for Independence? Joe does this not sound like a great system of economic Power Used by Monarchies and Dicatatorships?
When it is US who produce this wealth, Is it not the American Way to give US access to it, and not allow a small group to Hoard it or Refuse to Grant US the rightto propering from it? Joe ‘Trickle Down’ is the Economic policy of Kings and Nobles, Not Free market Democracies.
Oh and Joe…You are Not a King nor a Noble, You are a Serf and Serf are never allowed to work their way out of that Social Ranking, even with a company which earns over ‘250,000’ a year. Kings & Nobles Earn millions and Billions Personally…their Corps Earn Billion or trillions in Profits a year.
Besides your lack of comprehension about the term, the doctrine and certianly anything about Marx is obvious. Unfortunatley you have also succeeded in causing doubt in your knowledge of even American History!
Socialism can co- exist with a Free Market& Democracy doctrine. But Trickle down is innately contrary to both a Free market and a Democracy- in fact it is the Antithesis of Both. So Who’s UnAmerican?? Pick Up a Book, Joe your ignorance is embarassing.

Where do they get the writers for these shows?  It is beyond funny that they can keep up the writing day after day.
On a serious note, John McCain’s “robo-calls” have gotten more and more obnoxious and slanderous. I have been the recipient of at least 5 of these robo-calls in the last 6 days.  I live in Pennsylvania and am ashamed at the depth to which the McCain-Palin, RNC has fallen. They have not one good thing to say and their negative campaigning beggars belief.
Should anyone out there have any influence with the RNC and the McCain-Palin ticket, I would urge them to stop this negative campaigning and start focusing on the positive steps that they will take to get us out of Iraq, help restore the economy and get all Americans healthcare, without regard to income and eligibility.
That being said, Stephen Colbert, is absolutely on target when he states that the voters that the McCain-Palin ticket are going after are the very ones who have gotten us into this crisis and would continue the policies of the most failed administration in the history of the US, the shrub.