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The Big Question After the VP Tussle

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Posted on Oct 2, 2008
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Did they deliver? That was the question coming from the Democratic and Republican camps after Sen. Joe Biden and Gov. Sarah Palin did battle at the vice presidential debate in St. Louis on Thursday night. Here’s the full debate in video—tell us what you think about how the candidates handled themselves and represented their respective tickets.

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By lichen, October 4, 2008 at 4:34 pm Link to this comment

Rosa Clemente and Matt Gonzalez, the people who really should be VP’s delivered yesterday on Democracy Now!  Biden and palin are both corporatist war-mongering scum.

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By SteveL, October 4, 2008 at 3:47 pm Link to this comment

Consider this:  Sarah Palin just might be doing everything the Republicans need for this election.  Right now she is creating a large distraction from issues like the economy, Bush’s last eight disastrous years in office, and McCain’s voting to de-regulate everything in sight.  If the republicans loose she will become a handy scapegoat.

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By U8it, October 4, 2008 at 12:17 pm Link to this comment
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Unbelievable!

This is the most important election of the whole history of the United States of America and possibly the World and you PPL have no real discussions?

You should all be ASHAMED for letting it go on “as usual”.
You have a system where both parties are the same party originally, bankers and corporations have taken over and ARE your government, they are abusing the whole world with infiltrations of armies and stealing resources from poor countries via large corporations, your standing in the world is so low the bottom of the well can’t be seen.

Tent cities? You PPL must be sleeping or on crack.

Your government is so corrupt they are stealing you blind.
Which part of this don’t you understand?

If you want to see a half ass good debate then watch this Canadian one. I think it might open your eyes a little to what a democracy is like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crdk8Vns2BU&feature=PlayList&p=01F51A2ED4D81992&index=0&playnext=1

Keep in mind ALL candidates have the same right to participate. But not yours, because you PPL don’t demand disclosure of your rulers. Yes, rulers and not government that’s supposed to abide by PPL’s wishes.

You might get off your asses and DEMAND similar.

Thanx for waking up a little.
Enjoy :D

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By Margaret Currey, October 4, 2008 at 11:36 am Link to this comment
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Joe Biden could have pulled a card a couple of times but he let it go because she lost when she did not want to answer the questions asked by Gwen, that was in my mind was disrespect to Joe Biden who answered every question.  When she said that taxes would be raised on families as low as $32,000.00 I knew that was a so called lie so called because half truths are mixed with lies.

There was a commercial to this effect that a tax was related to families when it applied to a single person.

I guess a picture is worth a thousand words, only the words are half truth and truth taken out of context.

I realize that both sides do this but the GOP really goes over the top.

Anyone who thought Palin won is for the John McShame/S. Palin ticket.

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By biggreenpea, October 4, 2008 at 10:00 am Link to this comment
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I should probably declare myself independent so I do not have to keep saying “I am not a democrat”, but Biden did great and Palin showed the absolute intellectual bankruptcy of the right wing.  I have been towing this so called line of trying to see both sides but have decided…even though the American political/financial system itself is messed up and the democrats seem to be very corporate friendly these right wing agents are willing to drag the whole country through miles of mud just to win.  At some point we have to wise up and say stop this lying and stop acting like high schoolers.  But mostly stop the lying.  The McCain campaign is just one big lie.  Then the media tries to equalize both sides and forces us to accept both opinions as worthy.  Both sides have points to consider.  Really? 

I agree about the Israel portion of foreign policy and I am a 911 Truth advocate but somehow America needs to start the process of healing and that has absolutely no chance of happening with the neocons or the Mcneocons.  McCain and Palin - say it fast, say it really fast over and over and you will start to hear not just shredding paper (Constitution) but the crashing explosion of the doors of recovery slamming shut.  These right wingers are absolutely crazy…I am so tired of avoiding ad hominen when ad hominen is the only accurate description.  The puzzle is a bit more complex than who wins the election and Obama still has yet to gain my full trust but neocon philosphy as far as I am concerned, like corporatism, is sociopathic!

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By Fadel Abdallah, October 4, 2008 at 7:41 am Link to this comment

By Folktruther, October 3 at 7:26 am #

Hang in there, Fadel.  You apparently drive rightwingers crazy.  We need more Arab and Muslim truthers to counter the mainstream media.

also I really like your long singing sentences.
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Folktruther, thank you for your encouragement, and many thanks for your enlightened and passionate posts in support of truth and justice for the Palestinians and all the wronged and oppressed of the world! You’re truly a beacon of hope amidst all the darkness we see all around.

Keep up the important and constructive work you’ve been doing to enlighten, educate and challenge the ignorant and the bigots!

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By Masumisan, October 4, 2008 at 7:29 am Link to this comment
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Friday morning after dropping my daughter off at school-a group of other moms went for coffee. Let’s just say we are not fans of Palin. We all noticed the same “flaws” in her whole act. Well I think that from now on during election campaining we should never be able to see the identity of our candidates only their ideas and merit. The candidates would only be picked on substance! Not on what they looked like, sound like ,not their gender,not the color of their skin!  we could have costumes and masks made that they’d have to wear the whole campain- then when elected they would reveal themselves.That’d be fun right??Or maybe we should just have a lottery system to pick-can’t be any worse than now? That would be cheaper too!! You see where I’m going with this? It’s all a bad game-that little people like me can only watch-and I had to pay to see!

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By Marshall K, October 3, 2008 at 4:33 pm Link to this comment

I kept thinking I was watching Fargo outtakes, like the Cohen brothers left out the local politician.  She stonewalled and was evasive just like the William Macey character did in the car dealership.  Well, there ya go!

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By mackTN, October 3, 2008 at 3:55 pm Link to this comment
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i am appalled that in these times especially, anyone would appoint someone like palin as a potential president.  even worse, how can any educated person actually rave about her?  what are they thinking? 

this woman doesn,t think, she memorizes…badly.  if i hear stinking corpse or 2nd holocaust again…. 

i gice gwen ifill poor marks.  why let someone so incompetent get away with an unchallenged forum?  media has sunk to a new low, allowing itself to be intimidated from its job. (which is why bailout became rescue, although bailout is defined as a financial rescue.)

pathetic.  this has been the most pathetic week in u.s. history.

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By JFoster2k, October 3, 2008 at 3:05 pm Link to this comment

Sassy Sarah stole the show! She stayed the course!Mission accomplished!

She was cute-cute-cute, made constant eye-contact with both Biden and the camera, winked a lot, made a ton of “folksy” references and got in several good jabs! That, my friends, is precisely what her base loved.

Ok, so her “facts” were wrong. Big deal! She said them with plucky conviction!

So what if she dodged most of the questions. She was cute as a bug when she said she wouldn’t answer them.

Who cares if she is vapid when it comes to details of the economy, the war, foreign policy and the roles of the VP. One thing we all know for certain is how focused she is on “ENERGY”!

She won the American Idol Vice Presidential Debate contest hands-down!

Wait… what? That was the REAL debate?

Oh Joe, say it ain’t so!

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By tdbach, October 3, 2008 at 12:54 pm Link to this comment

Hey, RightWing

I have a house on a lake, too. Don’t have a plane, though. Anyway, it strikes me as curious that you would impune the fiscal responsibility of the left, when it has been two Republican administrations that have run up huge deficits.

By the way, those who need an editor the most are those who don’t know they need an editor. (I need an editor)

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By RightWing, October 3, 2008 at 12:49 pm Link to this comment

Nothing changes

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By msgmi, October 3, 2008 at 12:07 pm Link to this comment
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Both Senator Biden and the Lenscraft Supermodel have one thing in common, imperial hubris in order to resolve national security issues. Their views on counterterrorism, the financial crisis, an energy policy, and the Beltway pork and incompetence spermed no new ideas other than what has been already in the wash cycle and spin.

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By RightWing, October 3, 2008 at 10:33 am Link to this comment

South Parker, I own 2 houses on the lake, PawPaw Lake in Mi. and Lake Moultrie In SC. I’m very middle class.It is called being fiscally responsible. something the left doesn’t seem to do all that well..

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By RightWing, October 3, 2008 at 10:18 am Link to this comment

We here call them pig farmers, you know what pigs are right? “chauvinistic”,that’s a stretch. Now why do you keep going back to farm animals, something you want to get off your chest? The pig is a very intelligent, by the way, with what we pay for a good pork chop these days, being a Pig Farmer, could be very prosperous. so thank you for your compliment. and are your truths the only thing that matters, what about my truths, only what you say is important, I see. “chauvinistic” would be if I said quit your bitchin, you sound like a woman, that is chauvinistic.Where is the place with 100%employment?Arnold Ziffle wouldnt like you. oink,oink,oink.

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By southparker, October 3, 2008 at 10:13 am Link to this comment
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I have to agree with Cath, the American public doesn’t want smart women in high office.  Sarah Palin is an attempt by the gop to get women’s votes by putting a token woman on the ticket, ill-equipped and lacking in knowledge or education.  It also seems to be to be a message that this is what women should be.  Smart women and minorities who are well educated and informed and prepared to lead are uppity and out of their league.  The far right would prefer that women not have the right to vote at all.

As far as Sarah Palin posing as a middle class American, how many of us in the middle class own a big house on a lake (in Alaska where housing is notoriously high) and an airplane?

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By tdbach, October 3, 2008 at 8:34 am Link to this comment

RightWing - you need an editor. However, you don’t need any help with irony. You’ve shown that in abundance, even if it is unintented.

As to the subject at hand…The Governor appeared to play Tina Fey playing Sarah Palin, but turned it up a notch, just to show Tina what REAL folksy is like. One thing Ms. Palin gets: this isn’t a forum for advocating and defending ideas; it’s theater. But even with that in mind, I think Palin “lost.” She overacted.

On a more serious vein, it is terribly sad, what our once-proud country has been reduced to. That a campaign would choose as its strategy to portray itself as the American Idol ticket for the most powerful office in the world, facing the most complex and daunting issues on just about every front, and calculate that that would win the day, is an appalling testiment to how far we have fallen. If being the president and vice president of these United States are not the most profoundly serious jobs on the planet, what the hell is? Yet nearly half - and who knows, it may turn out more than half - of eligible voters treat this as though it were a campaign for prom king and queen.

God help us all.

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By Folktruther, October 3, 2008 at 8:26 am Link to this comment

Hang in there, Fadel.  You apparently drive rightwingers crazy.  We need more Arab and Muslim truthers to counter the mainstream media.

also I really like your long singing sentences.

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By Kurt Loeffler, October 3, 2008 at 8:19 am Link to this comment
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First let me qualify that I am an Independent and firmly believe there is little substantive difference between either of the two dominant parties.  With that said, I think the nomination of Sarah Palin is very cynical, disappointing and downright scary!  I know many Americans are attracted to her because of her looks and “Hockey Mom” image, but this is not what this country needs.  We need professionals who are versed in international affairs and have a solid command of domestic and international economic and legislative policies.  We don’t need another politician who represents a dumbed down, simpleton, hometown image of “folksy” America.  Voters that think a candidate is qualified because they “identify” with him/her need to seriously ask themselves when is the last time any of them have done anything but further the interests of the major corporations that run our economic and international policies.  Politicians from either of the dominant parties are mere front men for their corporate paymasters who have mastered the art of public relations and present themselves as your neighbor who you can trust.  Sarah Palin’s nomination and continued support by voters and Republican Party strategists is a horrible indictment that reflects our society’s lack of serious thought and reflection and definitely plays right into this image.  However, it seems voters of both dominant parties really believe that everything they see on the major media outlets is true and objectively presented.  This nomination is especially scary and is a representation of the TV society’s blind acceptance of everything they hear from the major media outlets.  However, even scarier is that so many citizens continue to believe the constant spin, disinformation and plain nonsense they watch on the television and then base their support for a candidate on a reckless knowledge of these misrepresentations.

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By scott, October 3, 2008 at 7:47 am Link to this comment
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I’m not worried about if a candidate can speak on a podium.  I CARE ABOUT OUR COUNTRY.  Now is NOT the time to have INEXPERIENCE in the white house - President or VP. 

The Economy is absolutely horrendous, war (PS - There is no winner/loser at this point - we are way past that after 8 years) is killing our soldiers/young children, health care in today’s society is terrible (BTW - If I didn’t have dental insurance, a 30 minute cleaning can cost you $600!!!!  YES, $600!!!!)  Do you think I want no insurance and a taxed $5000 check sent to me?  Good thing I’m not married yet with children or I would be in trouble…

Palin did not answer a single question, instead, she rambled about energy the entire time.  Instead of being coached on speaking, she should have spent more time learning about our economy, war, health care and other topics that aka “AMERICA” cares about. 

She has NO experience and from the looks of it, McCain is probably on his last life line so…can you imagine Palin as a President!?

What we need is a change…they both are right on that subject!  But a change that will give our country a strong standing in the world. 

Enough is said here…bottom line, we can not afford another 4 years of Bush!

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By mud, October 3, 2008 at 7:36 am Link to this comment

Yes CarolO. One could count on getting a “No change surge” because there was no third party voice to sneak in even a word or two of non- approved Gov. propaganda. Nothing at all to watch or listen to unless you like quibbling over who delivered the same 100% BS propaganda the best. Nothing even slightly interesting was uttered by the two uni-party shills, with the exception of the heated competition to see who could kiss Israeli’s butt the quickest and most often.

Looking on the bright side, mass starvation will soon solve our national obesity problem.

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By Purple Girl, October 3, 2008 at 7:30 am Link to this comment

What could have been worse the number of times she played the ‘Adorable ‘Card, or her utter lack of comprehension of All the topics.
Between her ‘Can I Call You Joe’ Set up inquiry (just to deliver the ridiculous ‘Say it ain’t So Joe’ canned Line) and appreciating the chance to meet Joe Biden 9did she even know who he was befor ehe was named VP?)Sarah consistently proved her lack of experience, knowledge and Insigth to anything but being a Hockey Mom. Winks and shout Outs are not what you would do at a International Press conference of importance- Why is the VP Debate any more Appropriate….Our Nation is in a cluster Fuck right this moment and ‘Cutesy’ Ain’t gonna Wash!I was waiting for the ‘Miss America Moment’ of ‘and Such and Therefores’ and I think I actually heard it verbatium at one point last night.
Her attempts to transition the topic to her scripted statements were so obvious and disingenuos It was Painful to Watch!
We not only Need a Vision for the Future We need a Accurate Recollection of the Past.Obama Sees the road a head and Biden is able to navigate to avoid any previous Pitfalls which could be once again throw US off Course.
Palin doesn’t see ahead, Nor has any concept of what lay behind US. Mac either can’t see, Can’t Remember or just doesn’t give a shit.

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By Denise Alexander, October 3, 2008 at 7:24 am Link to this comment
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Okay, Sarah can chew gum and walk at the same time, but is that what being Vice President is all about?

John McCain’s decision to have her on the ticket is the lowest form of politics. In the end, after all is said and done, it is not about Sarah Palin but about John McCain who wants to be President at any costs.

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By cath, October 3, 2008 at 7:21 am Link to this comment
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We’ve only had two previous woman to enter this arena, both of them brilliant!!! Geraldine and Hillary. America doesn’t seem to want smart women…Palin is inexperienced, and the vp position is not the place to gain it ...A great ticket would be Obama/Hillary….

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By CarolO, October 3, 2008 at 6:39 am Link to this comment

Sarah Palin gave a speech at the convention that was very good.  It was read by her, not written by her but she delivered it well.  Since then, she has failed miserably in every interview and given head-shaking answers that leaves one feeling they just took a trip into space.

She handled this debate well but it is way to late for her.  One debate does not make a candidate.  You need to answer questions quickly without being coached for days and she can not deliver.

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By tommy, October 3, 2008 at 6:02 am Link to this comment
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Sarah Palin mastered the republican debating style.  Lie and then smile.  The sad part about this is that as long as she smiles while she lies shes got the vote of the masses of idiots we have living in our beautiful homeland.  Also both of these candidates pledged thier support to Isreal.  I cant belive that these people dont realize yet that Isreal is the main source of animosity toward us in the middle east. The only way i can charactize the way zionist Isreal treats its neighbors is the way the Nazis treated thier nieghbors at the beggining of WW2 and the fact that these people are Jewish and enacting military dictatorships along thier borders is scary and wrong.  Maybe if the state of Isreal didnt act like greedy spoiled little babies ei. Stealing the land of the palistinians more and more every year for 60 years that whole segment of the world would not hate us.  The problem is everyone is so brainwashed to love Isreal without even considering what they have done i will probably be called a racist for writing this comment.

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By lori, October 3, 2008 at 4:09 am Link to this comment
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My very conservative husband from the wilds of West Texas made the following comment as we watched the VP debates. He said “Yew know who Sarah Palin reminds me of? She is like the sorta cute secretary who has had too much to drink at an office party and then wants to tell everyone how the cow ate the cabbage—except she ain’t never even seen a cow”

I don’t think we will be voting for McCain this year…....

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By Fadel Abdallah, October 3, 2008 at 4:08 am Link to this comment

Yes they delivered on the one issue of Israel. So, as the “pundits” here and on MS media are going to bore us to death with the question of who won the debate, this “pundit” affirms that the one and only winner is Israel.

What a repeated and boring political circus that has no elements of innovation or change in it! So, the new slogan for both parties on foreign policy should read, “The No-Change Surge You Can Count On!”

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By Joan S, October 3, 2008 at 4:01 am Link to this comment
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She did the very best she could, given very poor knowledge of national and world affairs, and given also her recent failures to prove herself anything other than a “train wreck” in media interviews. She obviously studied hard and memorized a lot of sound bites, which she delivered reasonably.

I agree with the polling as to the overall outcome of the debate. It changes nothing. Biden and Obama remain the intelligent and “collected” forward-thinkers in the race. They remain the candidates who truly connect with the middle class and our ideals and needs.

Joe Biden is a terrific person, and a sound diplomat. He thinks and talks with reason, experience and substance. Knowing where he has come from, and what he has fought for for 3 decades in the senate draws me toward him now more than ever. His elegance, intelligence and confidence are qualities that will carry him into his vice-presidency and serve him, and us, well.

As to “personality” issues in the debate, every time Sarah Palin got overconfident, and winked, or smirked, or “scolded” out her point in sing-songy fashion made me cringe. I held my breath every time she “went there” thinking she was going to blow it. I have to wonder if in the weeks of brutal practice sessions, she was not whacked with a yardstick everytime she went over the edge with animated adolescent “nah-nah” responses. She seemed to remember those whackings last night at just the right moment, and would call off the childish antics before she made a complete fool of herself. In addition, it is obvoius her handlers did not give her any sources with which to check her facts, as she got many of the “facts” dead wrong, especially concerning various votes she sited to try to smear the opposition (which she failed to do).

It should also be noted, that in her uses of the word “maveric”, the CNN Meter at the bottom of the screen dipped very low in the favorability issue, as no one believes or considers John McCain to be a real maveric anymore. The campaign would do well to take the word “maveric” out of the campaign entirely. Joe Biden solidified what everyone already knows, in that John McCain is certianly no maveric for the middle class, and Biden successfully removed any evidence to the contrary. Let’s hope that whole “maveric” thing has now been put to rest, as that ploy is now nothing more than comic fodder.

Since we no longer have a maveric, what we are left with on the GOP side is a typical NeoCon, offering outdated and lofty quasi-republican “solutions” to our problems, with no real political courage or specifics to implement. Lofty soundbites is the GOP has to wage against the thoughtful and well defined plans for change from the Obama/Biden Campaign. And even if Sarah Palin had proved herself to be a Rhodes Scholar, she would not have been able to successfully defend the lack of planning on her party’s ticket. Even as she in her closing statements, “Our ticket… it is a GOOD ticket”, I suspected that “good” was all she could reasonably claim, and even in that, she did not fully subscribe to the assertion.

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