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Posted on Oct 1, 2008

CBS asked the two VP candidates (roughly) the same questions about Roe v. Wade and the separation of church and state. As you might imagine, their answers differ, both in content and coherence. Palin’s apparent unfamiliarity with the Supreme Court had the rumor mill buzzing for days prior to the release of this interview.

On Roe v. Wade:

On the Separation of Church and State:

 

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By Leefeller, October 5, 2008 at 11:57 am Link to this comment

Keating Five minus two, brings us to now,  we have a the bailout minus all. Impeachment is off the table, the rule of law a joke and God Bush America. Where can I get my flag pin?

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By Shenonymous, October 4, 2008 at 10:03 pm Link to this comment

I am on a campaign of my own and I am posting this everywhere so you might see it on several forums and I will be updating as I receive new information.

So McCain is going for character assassination of Obama!  Well then, the gloves are off.  This is the season of the witch!  The witch is going ahunting!  Let’s see, how about starting with dickhead McCain’s first wife!  And how he left her after she had a disfiguring car accident for another cutsie chick, Cindy.  That’s loyalty for ya.  It’s one thing to fall out of love and divorce, but for guys who want to be politicians, messing around is deadly.

Two years younger than Ralph Nader, on his own health, check out this website:
http://therealmccain.com/doctors/

Joe Klein-Time magazine Sept. 17, 2008 tells us McCain’s claims skirt facts and his lies have ranged from the annoying to the sleazy, and the problem is in both degree and kind. His campaign has been a ceaseless assault on his opponent’s character and policies, featuring a consistent—and witting—disdain for the truth.  So we will publish these lies every day in every place possible. Even the New York Times editorial board is calling John McCain a liar.

Paraphrasing Klein’s words, John McCain raises serious questions about whether he has the character to lead the nation. He defaces his beloved military code of honor. He is running a dirty campaign.

Jon Stewart called him a shameless panderer. What could that mean?  He embraces all the things he used to condemn.  Bush being one of them, then he turns around and is now bashing Bush. But i saw that hug!  What the f**K???
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/09/07/daily-show-john-mccain-reformed-maverick/

By way of providing background, the article reprised the story of the Keating Five scandal that cost three Senators their jobs and nearly ended John McCain’s career. According to the Times, during McCain’s years in the House of Representatives, he became friendly with Charles Keating, Chairman of Lincoln Savings & Loan.

Vote Obama/Biden if you want change in the White House.

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By Leefeller, October 4, 2008 at 8:28 pm Link to this comment

Eric,

“she comes off as articulate and knowledgeable.” If you lowered the bar a little further she would come off as a genius.

I missed the one second during the debate you may have thought you saw, I must have been throwing up at the time. Knowledgeable, Betcha, wink, wink, she is a walking library, with empty shelves from all the book burning.

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By KDelphi, October 4, 2008 at 8:10 pm Link to this comment

You guys knowe how aI said that people should hold off on Palin , cause she’s a woman? I take that back. She’s a fricking idiot. Geez Louise!! Yah!

She looks like Amy Winehouse.

Eric and Sarah sittin’ in a tree

K-i-s-s-i-n-g.

Hey, she put herself out there with the pit bull, stuff. A pit bull is pretty tough, no? She can probably defend herself , Eric.

You betcha!

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By Shenonymous, October 4, 2008 at 6:15 pm Link to this comment

Your post Eric makes me wonder what kind of half-baked Alaska you have in your ears.  Funny how bias can color ones perceptions.

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By Eric, October 4, 2008 at 12:37 pm Link to this comment
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Thanks for putting this up. After all the talk about how Palin supposedly can’t answer questions, here we have a case where she and Biden were asked all the same things, and she comes off as articulate and knowledgeable. And Biden is practically incomprehensible. And where he does manage to string together words in decent sentences, he gets all of his facts wrong. Roe v. Wade does not allow states to outlaw abortion at any stage of the pregnancy at all. It’s exactly the way Palin described it, the federal government interfering with the ability of states to regulate abortion as they choose. Biden keeps mumbling about some kind of consensus. But the complexity and diversity of opinion on that issue is precisely why a one-size-fits all law sent down from the federal government is so ludicrous. The idea of a right to privacy shouldn’t even be brought up in this context, if there does not exist a right to murder unborn babies, then the right to privacy is irrelevant.

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By Leefeller, October 3, 2008 at 2:12 am Link to this comment

cyrena,

Not, “can I call you Joe”, Joe, what happend to joe sixpack?

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By cyrena, October 3, 2008 at 12:11 am Link to this comment

This just in my email from Joe.


“If you saw tonight’s debate, you saw Governor Sarah Palin give a spirited defense of the same disastrous policies that have failed us for the past eight years.

“She couldn’t identify a single area where she or John McCain would change George W. Bush’s economic or foreign policy positions.

“If you want something different, Barack and I need your help.

“Make a donation of $5 or more right now to bring about the change we need.

“The change we need is fixing this broken economy from the bottom up—not tax breaks for the wealthy and huge corporations that ship U.S. jobs overseas. We need to focus on defeating al Qaeda and the Taliban and restoring America’s standing in the world—not an unending commitment in Iraq.

“Let’s be clear: Governor Palin and Senator McCain are offering nothing but more of the same failed Bush policies at home and abroad, trying to disguise them in the rhetoric of change.

“Americans need real solutions and real change.

“We’re in this together and there’s a lot to do before Election Day. Please make a donation of $5 or more right now to support this campaign for change:

https://donate.barackobama.com/changeweneed

“This is the most important presidential election you’ll be part of in your life.

“Thank you for all that you’re doing.

“Now let’s get to work and change this country”

Joe

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By cyrena, October 3, 2008 at 12:05 am Link to this comment

tdbach, October 2 at 1:25 pm #

“Trouble sum has a point. Biden, for all his likability as an individual, is a gaff machine. He’s bound to say something he (and Obama) regret. Palin has made a political career out of low expectations. This could be trouble. I don’t think it will be, but the debate is no slam dunk for Biden.”

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Guess your predictions went away. Biden happens to be an extremely intelligent attorney and legislator with multiple years of experience in the Congress. He’s done more legislation than anyone I can think of off-hand, other than probably Ted Kennedy and Bernie Sanders. So, what you call gaffes are either his forthright honesty, minus the BS, or what the anit-intellectual can’t comprehend, so they just blow it off.

I haven’t always agreed with some of his proposals myself, (I specifically disliked his plan to partition Iraq) but that doesn’t take away from the fact that he knows what he’s talking about, and can get things done that need to be done.

Sarah Palin is a complete moron, and it was very difficult to watch her dodge every question with a whole bunch of folksy tales that nobody wants to hear about when their living the personal realities of times worse than most of us have collectively experienced.

So Joe did far better than I would have, since I’d have been tempted to chop off her head.

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By Outraged, October 2, 2008 at 10:02 pm Link to this comment

For anyone who’s interested, I received this e-mail from the Nader/Gonzales campaign today.

“Let’s cut to the chase.
Yes, there will be a debate between the Vice Presidential candidates tonight.
And no, our guy, Matt Gonzalez won’t be on the stage.

You know why.

But thank Amy Goodman and crew.

Because Gonzalez will be on Democracy Now! tomorrow morning at 8:10 am EST.

http://www.democracynow.org/ 

You can also watch Democracy Now! later in the day at the same link.

Matt will also be responding to Sarah Palin and Joe Biden tonight.  And we’ll post that on our YouTube channel late tonight. Stay tuned.

Also, Ralph Nader will appear tomorrow morning as the Sheriff of Wall Street on CNN’s American Morning show at about 8:20 a.m. EST.

Nader will urge the House to reject the bailout of Wall Street crooks.

You’ll have to watch that one live on CNN.

Last week, we asked for your help to pound on the mainstream media.  And you answered the call with more than 70,000 e-mails to more than 25 mainstream media outlets.

We can’t say the dam is breaking.

But hope springs eternal.”

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By wildflower, October 2, 2008 at 9:31 pm Link to this comment

Re: Palin in High School [Outraged]

Yes, and as I recall she was also very mean-spirited . . . sort of like the character Hilary Faye in that teen comedy - “Saved.”

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By Outraged, October 2, 2008 at 9:29 pm Link to this comment

Re: Shenonymous

Your comment: “One of the post-debate pundits, David Brooks, said Biden hardly mentioned Obama.  I think he ought to take the crap out of his ears.”

I saw that too, and thought the same thing.  Huh…  I’m not even for Obama, but that was utter nonsense.  Is it me… or does David Brooks always come across as a bullshitter when he’s bullshitting..?

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By KDelphi, October 2, 2008 at 9:13 pm Link to this comment

She did better than expected. This was not difficult.

But, it sure got everyone off of the bailout for awhile!

Those corn-pone phrases (like Minnesota—yah!!) (I have family from there), I’m afraid, go over better in middle America tha peopel realize.

But I dont think she made any ground with anyone who wasnt supporting her already.

The same with Biden, actually. But it is not as important for him. Every man she goes up against does seem to be thrown off guard—she must be really “charming” in person.

i dont think that her ticket made any progess ontight. She just didnot do as badly as I had thought she would.

Like I said, thqat is not that difficult

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By Shenonymous, October 2, 2008 at 9:09 pm Link to this comment

It was not spectacular and Sarah Palin did not impale herself.  However, her constant stream of slogans were like lead sinkers in her boat as far as I’m concerned.  Just relisten to her answers for content.  I think you might be surprised…or not, there was very little.  Lots of empty accusations.  The fact that she did not stammer does not bail the water outta da boat. 

One of the post-debate pundits, David Brooks, said Biden hardly mentioned Obama.  I think he ought to take the crap out of his ears.  I have taped the debate and it’s all there.  We have to be very careful not to listen to the talking heads.  They are not half as smart as you are.

And jackpine savage, once again you made me laugh.  Thank you. I know I will sleep better tonight.

Did anybody not watch Bullwinkle and friends?  Thanks for the pleasant memory, Leefeller,

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By Outraged, October 2, 2008 at 9:08 pm Link to this comment

Re: jackpine savage

Your post was perfect, especially that “Ishperming IGA” addition.  For anyone not in the know, the town is Ishpeming, but that’s not how they say it.

That was good. I enjoyed that, thanks. LOL

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By Outraged, October 2, 2008 at 8:48 pm Link to this comment

The whole VP debate seemed rather mundane.  At least as far as the serious issues of the day.  Aside from that, I thought Biden seemed genuine whereas Palin seemed like that high school girl that no one can stand, yet she’s just positive everyone adores her.  Just ask her mother and the English teacher who coach’s her.  (Did anyone else get that read)

Biden was knowledgeable and on target.  Palin “knew what she should and shouldn’t say” and did that.  Palin answered non-questions, especially regarding those she either didn’t know, or couldn’t back up. 

Of course, the pundits gave Palin “good reports”. Whether the underlying reasons for that had to do with receiving their paycheck or because Palin had already set such a low standard for herself prior to the debate, that it would have been near to impossible to be any worse.  In my opinion, she stunk.  Biden was good and with a more worthy opponent, it might have been interesting.

I thought it was hilarious how many times Biden used the word “fundamental”, ouch… again and again.  LOL.  She’s so proud of her religion, remember..? (oh…but not today…thank you very much)

Palin appeared disingenuous when speaking of her son going in Iraq, completely void of empathy.  When Biden’s voice trembled while speaking of the hardships his children had endured, Palin appeared completely unmoved. (For the record, NORMAL parents would be moved by his emotion, I was, but not Palin)  Now that’s a desk murderer.  That woman gives me the creeps.  It appears she interprets the word “tough” as meaning “heartless”.

Vicious is the adjective that comes to mind, when I watch Palin.  Well, that and liar, but then, liar is a noun.

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By wildflower, October 2, 2008 at 8:42 pm Link to this comment

I do believe Palin was flirting with Joe this evening: 

“Say-it-aint-so-Joe-there-you-go-again!”

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By Frank Cajon, October 2, 2008 at 8:37 pm Link to this comment

Just watched the Spectacle. Kudos for the GOP handlers, who could get a monkey to type Shakespeare, for getting Palin up there with three memorized answers and remembering to repeat them or say anything ridiculous beyond that a nuclear war would be ‘the be all and end all’. She went to community college and wanted to be a talking TV head, and the camera loves her; this trumps not having an answer.
Biden is a hack, but next to Barbie he comes off as a cool pro; he disregarded her entirely and spent the whole time carving McCain, his mission. He did answer the questions, but the zero pundits afterwards were breathless by the fact that Palin didn’t talk about skinning a moose. This was theatre of the absurd while our life savings is being stolen tomorrow by silver haired, rich thieves commanded by a fascist. What a great time to be an American.

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By Opening Eyes, October 2, 2008 at 8:27 pm Link to this comment

She’s cute.  She’s a mom. She’s not ready.

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By Leefeller, October 2, 2008 at 8:20 pm Link to this comment

Jackpine,

Good one!

Now that you have placed it into perspective, you betcha. Must admit, it may be time to fire up the old wood chipper, like in the movie Fargo. Is Alaska next to Menasota or does it have something to do with cold weather? Wink!

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By jackpine savage, October 2, 2008 at 8:11 pm Link to this comment

Well, ok then. I’ll tell ya, everyday i gotta listen to people who sound a whole heckuva lot like dat Sarah Palin. Ya know, ya get used to it and den ya even pick up some of da tones and intonations. I like yoopers, der good people mostly. And i find da funny way dat day talk to be pretty endearing. But christ, even my Congressional Rep only lets out a “you betcha” now and again. I don’ know, maybe i’m too sensitive to it or somethin, eh, but da way she talks really makes me wanna scream…or go out in da woods and shoot somethin. Tank God bow season’s open.

So if yous guys wanna elect someone who talks like da checker down at da Ishperming IGA den yous go right ahead, but i figure dat she’s better off where she is you know. Da back woods folks aren’t really happy down der in da big city anyhoo…dey always come home.

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By Leefeller, October 2, 2008 at 8:05 pm Link to this comment

Alan,

Rockey the Flying Squirrel and Bullwinkle was one of my favorite shows of all time. Mr. Peabody and Herman were great.

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By Leefeller, October 2, 2008 at 8:00 pm Link to this comment

Just a quick note after the debate, Palin has kept her boat afloat, when the facts surface they may prove me wrong.

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By CAJones-Independent, October 2, 2008 at 7:52 pm Link to this comment

Wow,  I agree Shenonamous.  Thank you for an intelligent expression.  I try to make honest evaluations and face facts about the candidates, even it it happens to be the candidate representing the party I am registered to.  I have voted Republican based on issues and as much fact as I see.  I have voted Democratic.  My issue is that too many people seem stuck on party over country.

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By Alan, October 2, 2008 at 7:39 pm Link to this comment
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June Foray, the original voice of
Rocky the Flying Squirrel,
announced today, that she will be appearing opposite
Biden in the role of ‘Sarah Palin’
(a character originally
conceived as the sidekick of Dudlee Doright)

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By Alan, October 2, 2008 at 7:32 pm Link to this comment
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At one point in the “debate” she says that
when she drills anew in Alaska , it will
make only “tiny footprints” in the air , sea,
and land. (she has twisted the standard
idiom: “make a small footprint” enough to
openly display coaching marks)

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By Shenonymous, October 2, 2008 at 4:59 pm Link to this comment

Being a Democrat I am always grateful for any vote the Democrats get especially in a presidential election.  Saying that, I want to thank you Nathayan for presenting such a cogent rationale of your view.  I am impressed and I appreciate your comments.  I think if I met and/or spoke with Republicans with as intelligent and sensible a discussion of their conservative views I would be willing to listen to them and reevaluate my admittedly usually radical progressive bleeding-heart social-Democratic views.  Thing is I’ve never met a Republican willing to admit maybe there are lockjaw conservative views that do not have infinite merit and maybe the judicious or prudent thing to do is to do the thing normally opposite to their views.  Now it is time for a debate.

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By rage, October 2, 2008 at 4:43 pm Link to this comment
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All Biden has to do is let Palin run her mouth deep into traps her dumb butt will never have enough brain-power to ever hope to escape, granting him victory by the time both have responded to the first question. Face it, Sarah Louise Heath Palin is a total moron! The woman has the IQ of a turnip with the congnition of a magic mushroom. I’ll be shocked if she lasts three questions without begging Gwen Ifill to use a life line. She’s flunked interviews where hosts have force fed her the answers they were pulling from her, only to still come up short. Even with the gifts of long-windedness and gaffing, Biden is still better set to converse intelligibly on virtually anything Gwen Ifill will ask him tonight. If Biden can just avoid being too academically detailed in his response, he will do just fine.

Pinhead Palin, on the other hand, is not going to be able to resist the urge to drift way off the beaten path to equate her lengthy, coy, folksy, frivilous line of irritating, mind-numbing bullsh!t delivered Miss Congeniality style with being well versed, granting Tina Fey a mother lode of paydirt for my glorious weekend entertainment. Palin really doensn’t have the academic guns loaded to launch that same one-on-one attack on the Obama-Biden campaign during this debate for which she so daringly sold all those wolf tickets during her NaziCon acceptance speech and during all her campaign stomps with Grampy. Here, SaraCuda will be all alone agianst the geezer whose speeches she claimed just hours ago have been boring her since she was in, like, what, the second grade. Miss Congeniality will be armed with only her notecards and that bluetooth receiver in her ear, with 90 seconds to coherently regurgitate verbatim every word Rove is spewing from the cone of silence. Team Dumb and Dumber has already ‘cautioned’ her against ad libs, all impromptu offerings, and going after Joe Biden directly. Palin’s likely going to follow Gramps’ playbook, never once looking at Joe Biden. She’s going to stick to just the Nazi talking points rehearsed, hoping to nail applying them fittingly in response to whatever she’s asked with as much professional bearing as can be expected from a lipstiick smeared sow that’s been ferrociously polished during ten excrutiating days of intense nuveau-WHIG sequestering and Roverian re-education.

By the middle of this thing, Palin’s going to be befuddled and frustrated when her pageant-esque extra cuteness fails to have any measurable effect on Biden beyond the occassional gag reflex or irrepressable chortle. I just pray Biden doesn’t work so hard at ignoring her that he misses too many great opportunities to nail her political coffin completely shut. When the dust settles in November, Alaska deserves better than Palin. She and Grampy both need to retire from public service in November!

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By Ray, October 2, 2008 at 4:33 pm Link to this comment
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I certainly hope that the moderator can keep the candidates on point and let them meander around and avoid the question.  If a candidate cannot truthfully answer the question, they should not be allowed to dazzle the public with nonsense.

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By Nathayan, October 2, 2008 at 4:17 pm Link to this comment
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I’m a true Republican voter. Seeing how McCain is reacting, he lost all my esteem. It’s true that McCain lacks wisdom and intelligence in his contradictory positions and ideas. Impulsion, anger, lack of self-control and agitation are not good qualities for a great leader. And that’s McCain.

And I think that if McCain had a little judgment at that time, he had not been a war prisoner in Vietnam. He would have avoided the worst, in this particular sector of the country at war, like many other of his colleagues. He never wants to listen to people.

Being stubborn and without intelligence is like being stupid. And for that, I think that McCain would not have been recognized as an American hero. Fortunately for him, that fact made him lucky. But he can’t always have the same opportunity to win, to succeed and to shine.

Now, McCain is old. he gonna die soon. It’s too late for him to lead and to leave the heritage of the high management of the U.S: a strongest economic, industrial and military power in the world in the hands of Sarah Palin, the most inexperienced woman in the history of the American presidencies.

Sarah Palin is playing the “theater” and the “emotional” by always talking about her children. One is pregnant and the other one, sick. Even an ordinary street’s comedian can play that game to get compassion from people. This has nothing to do with managing a large and powerful country like the United States of America.

Sarah is not ready to lead, even if she could have be able to memorize all the arguments written for her by the McCain team and Republicans for this debate against Joe Biden. Sarah Palin is empty and without substance. That’s the danger for the USA. We need to stop that.

Tood Palin, her husband can’t help Sarah doing that hard job as he tried to do in Alaska. Things change and realities too. McCain, to later to lead and Palin, not ready to lead. The Democrat ticket is worthy to lead and to meet the American needs for this election.

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By Shenonymous, October 2, 2008 at 3:39 pm Link to this comment

Either way we will need Kleenex, to wipe tears of laughter or tears of desolation.  I hope I can hold my breath for what, an hour?  Probably the most watched VP debate in history.  Yup, I just went to find my bucket.  I look forward to y’all’s analyses later.  It will bound to be better than any of the talking heads.

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By JFoster2k, October 2, 2008 at 3:01 pm Link to this comment

No matter how you look at it, tonight’s debate will be a wonderful, spectacular train wreck!

If Palin is “over-prepped”, she will spout the same streams of nonsensical rhetoric she did with Couric. If she is left to “be herself”, she will babble her own nonsensical rhetoric and spew out positions in opposition to McCain. Either way she will implode! I’m almost giddy.

Joe should be as succinct as possible in his responses and yield to Palin at every opportunity. Hell, no one is going to be watching him anyway. We need more fodder for SNL!

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By tdbach, October 2, 2008 at 2:25 pm Link to this comment

Trouble sum has a point. Biden, for all his likability as an individual, is a gaff machine. He’s bound to say something he (and Obama) regret. Palin has made a political career out of low expectations. This could be trouble. I don’t think it will be, but the debate is no slam dunk for Biden.

dihey - That thought might have crossed Biden’s mind, but in an uncharacteristic flash of self-censorship he smartly didn’t say it, as it would have looked to all but the most partisan voters as more Democratic sour grapes. Besides, if one of his objectives is to contrast his intelligence and insight against the Governor’s relative ignorance, it would make more sense to cite a more obscure court ruling, don’t you think?

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By Leefeller, October 2, 2008 at 1:40 pm Link to this comment

t-bone,

FYI I asked the same question this is the reply from the Gov.

When you realize not being able to name another Supreme Court case, is not really as important as knowing that other Supreme Court cases exist.  Some people actually do not know of the existence of other Supreme Court cases, other than Roe V Wade, which means others are in the same boat, sort to speak. 

If other Supreme Court cases were important knowing them would be important, but knowing the name is not really all that important.  As a journalism major who went to college for six years, I have the special ability to know how to find out answers to questions like this.

Gov. S.Palin,  Next to foreign countries experience,  you don’t see every day.

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By t-bone, October 2, 2008 at 1:16 pm Link to this comment

Mayor Palin and a short-term Alaska Governor, would she be able to lead our country in this time of crises?

Please somebody let me know if she has any experience in federal politics or international policies. From what I see, all her words seem more rhetoric than real substances. Her knowledge is very limitted in many areas that any ordinary american could answer, such as she could not even name another US Supreme Court’s verdict. She advocate for change???? What are the changes she was so hype about during her VP nomination? Sorry folks, I adore and remember her pretty face on that night, but i have a hard time to remember what change she specifically talked about.

We already voted on a president who rode on the religious band-wagon to his presidency and see what has happened to our country now. Please choose somebody that is smart and experienced; somebody that would respect the constitution, the integrity of Justice Department and all the american values that our people have builted and protected. Please don’t let another CIA agent’s identity exposed, or another crooked artoney general put his loyalty to Bush and to his party above the integrity of the Justice Department and the welfare of all of us americans.

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By t-bone, October 2, 2008 at 1:12 pm Link to this comment

Mayor Palin and a short-term Alaska Governor, would she be able to lead our country in this time of crises?

Please somebody let me know if she has any experience in federal politics or international policies. From what I see, all her words seem more rhetoric than real substances. Her knowledge is very limitted in many areas that any ordinary american could answer, such as she could not even name another US Supreme Court’s verdict. She advocate for change???? What are the changes she was so hype about during her VP nomination? Sorry folks, I adore and remmember her pretty face on that night, but i have a hard time to remember what change she specifically talked about.

We already voted in a president who rode on the religious band-wagon to his presidency and see what has happened to our country now. Please choose somebody that is smart and experienced; somebody that would respect the constitution, the integrity of Justice Department and all the american values that our people have builted and protected. Please don’t let another CIA agent’s identity exposed, or another crooked artoney general put his loyalty to Bush and to his party above the integrity of the Justice Department and the welfare of all of us americans.

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By t-bone, October 2, 2008 at 1:11 pm Link to this comment

Mayor Palin and a short-term Alaska Governor, would she be able to lead our country in this time of crises?

Please somebody let me know if she has any experience in federal politics or international policies. From what I see, all her words seem more rhetoric than real substances. Her knowledge is very limitted in many areas that any ordinary american could answer, such as she could not even name another US Supreme Court’s verdict. She advocate for change???? What are the changes she was so hype about during her VP nomination? Sorry folks, I adore and remmember her pretty face on that night, but i have a hard time to remember what change she specifically talked about.

We already voted on a president who rode on the religious band-wagon to his presidency and see what has happened to our country now. Please choose somebody that is smart and experienced; somebody that would respect the constitution, the integrity of Justice Department and all the american values that our people have builted and protected. Please don’t let another CIA agent’s identity exposed, or another crooked artoney general put his loyalty to Bush and to his party above the integrity of the Justice Department and the welfare of all of us americans.

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By Leefeller, October 2, 2008 at 1:06 pm Link to this comment

Make sure to bring a bucket to the debate this evening.

If Palin really does cry tonight and if she actually does not talk, or say anything at all and just keeps crying, I promise I will vote for her because I will not have had to go into hairball mode and upchuck.

But, I plan on having a bucket next to me anyway, just in case.

For those who like associations or connotations, I see one between “filling the bucket” and “palin it on”.

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By troublesum, October 2, 2008 at 12:53 pm Link to this comment

Biden does not appeal to very many people.  He ran for president three times and never got anywhere.  He was always amoung the lowest vote getters in the democratic primaries. 

The republican establishment in Alaska had a name for the people who lived in the small towns south of Juneau like Wasilla: “Valley Trash”.  They told Palin she wasn’t good enough or smart enough to be governor.  She’s been through this before and knows how to respond to it.  People who expect her to self destruct in the debate should take a look at the recent political history of Alaska.

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By t-bone, October 2, 2008 at 12:51 pm Link to this comment

Please somebody let me know if she has any experience in federal politics or international policies. From what I see, all her words seem more rhetoric than real substances. Her knowledge is verey limitted in many areas that an ordinary american could answer, such as she could not even name another US Supreme Court’s verdict. She advocate for change???? What are the changes she was so hype about during her VP nomination? Sorry folks, I adore and remember her pretty face on that night, but i have a hard time to remember what change she specically talked about.

We already voted on a president who rode on the religous band-wagon to his presidency and see what has happened to our country now. Please choose somebody that is smart and experienced; somebody that would respect the constitution, the integrity of Justice Department and all the american values that our people have builted and protected. Please don’t let another CIA agent’s identity exposed, or another crooked artoney general put his loyalty to Bush and to his party above the integrity and the welfare of all of us americans.

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By Lily, October 2, 2008 at 12:39 pm Link to this comment
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Hey Alan, after the last election and how things went I was very interested in Rupert Murdoch, did some research and apparently this election he’s behind Barack… called him a superstar.  Perhaps this is why the GOP is shouting liberal media so hard… old money bags isn’t playing for their team this time around.

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By dihey, October 2, 2008 at 12:35 pm Link to this comment

Yes, Palin’s answer was pathetic but if you think that Biden’s was great stop and think for a moment. By far the most egregiously wrong SC ruling of recent history was the “Florida voting” ruling of 2000! Even one of the justices, Sandra O’Connor, later admitted that it had been a terrible ruling. I find it slightly disturbing that Biden “did not get it.”

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By pepper, October 2, 2008 at 12:14 pm Link to this comment
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please tell me when she starts to cry do we hand her a towel to dry up the tears till she tries to think of the answer or do we feel sorry for her,i do already do

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By Alan, October 2, 2008 at 11:52 am Link to this comment
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Debate Premonition:

Ifill: Governor Palin, what steps would
you take to end the economic crisis?
Palin (glancing at the crib notes written
on her wrist) I would immediately shore
up the financial system via back loaded
Credit Undefault Reverse Swap Agreements
with the Deparment of the Interior.
Ifill: That’s quite a specific proposal Governor.
What do you think about that Senator Biden?
Biden: I think that is an oversimplification
and a diversion , The Governor may not know
that…
Ifill: Oh I’m sorry Senator did I spill coffee
on you?  I’m terribly sorry.  Now back
to the Governor. 
Governor Palin,  What is the role of high
minded moral courage in your campaign?
Palin: (smiling and whispering)
It doesn’t say anything about being high
in the script.
Ifill: Let me rephrase that Governor.
What are your seven steps to courage,
moral fibre, and good stewardship?
Palin: I’m so glad you asked that Gwen!

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By CAJones-Independent, October 2, 2008 at 11:28 am Link to this comment
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Lets hope she does not get too flustered.  We seem to have a soft spot for that…and si she shes a tear Palen will win the debate!  He had better be careful.

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By CAJones, October 2, 2008 at 11:19 am Link to this comment
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“you have to love the fact she is able to say absolutely nothing better than any Washington insiders.”  That is so TRUE!!

  But seriously.  The bimbo act may have been a stunt to set the bar very low for the debate, so she will look really good against the expectation.  These are the games that have been being successfully played.  Our stanards have dropped to an all time low.  THe politicians tell lies so often that we expect it…and even when we know it is not true…we believe it!!  Amazing.  So, I expect Palin to score BIG tonight. 

  Though I will not vote for their ticket…no because of her as much as the blantant dishonesty.

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By KDelphi, October 2, 2008 at 11:17 am Link to this comment

Biden might do a little better on the “moral” “award”, if he hadnt initiated the Credi card debacle.

When interst rates go up , those who cannot pay them off, and owe more than our house is worth , will end up homeless.

They need to reverse this law, and teh bankruptcy bill. More than half of these mortgage foreclosures were equity loans to pay medical bills. (Michael Moore)

Palin is so lame—Biden should just sit and watch her. When McSame “sat in on the interview with Couric” with her, I swear, it looked like even HE was trying hard not to laugh.

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By 4foosball, October 2, 2008 at 11:05 am Link to this comment
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my wife nailed Sarah Palin for who she is the other night….
She’s the popular girl in school who simply throws an insult at someone to discredit or for a laugh, having no intention or ability to respond to the question. See “I’ve been listening to his speeches since I was in the 2nd grade…(laugh)”

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By BaxterJ, October 2, 2008 at 10:55 am Link to this comment

Biden can’t attack but he can stand back and let Palin hoist herself by her own petard.
http://www.entertonement.com/clips/31715/Katie-Couric/Sarah-Palin/CBS-Evening-News/What-Other-Supreme-Court-Decisions-Do-You-Disagree-With

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By Wily Trax, October 2, 2008 at 10:12 am Link to this comment

Even if McCain/Palin lose the election, the name Sarah Palin will live on.

Every Wednesday at Trivia Night.


http://www.wilytrax.com

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By wildflower, October 2, 2008 at 9:26 am Link to this comment

I predict the evening gown competition will be awarded to Palin, but the morals and talent competitions will be awarded to Joe.

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By Alan, October 2, 2008 at 8:46 am Link to this comment
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Does anyone really believe that tonight’s “debate”
will be anything but another stage managed debacle
brought to you by rupert and company? Probably
they will rig it so that the cretin will seem to
be the oracle from Denali. We’ve already established
that the crtetin(e) is a cretin, but it
makes no difference
to the event planners of the investiture

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By Maria, October 2, 2008 at 8:32 am Link to this comment
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Palin =arrogant ignorance. If the ‘idiocracy’ that has infested this nation wants this vacuous c-word any where near the most powerful position in the world we are beyond help. ‘Foundationaly also though…what the f%#k???

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By El, October 2, 2008 at 8:27 am Link to this comment
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When put side by side it’s amazing to see just how much more coherent Biden is when answering questions. You are actually able to listen to him because you know you will hear an answer with substance and logic, rather than having to listen to Palin tip toe around question after question until it’s too aggravating to listen to further. She never says anything intelligent worth noting. Her interviews are the butt of every joke. It’s embarrassing for her.

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By Jannie, October 2, 2008 at 8:23 am Link to this comment
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Don’t these debate schedulers realize some of us have kids to put to bed?!  Mine’ll have to fall asleep in my arms infront of the tube tonight because I won’t be a-missin’ one nuance of the fracas.

Jannie

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By Leefeller, October 2, 2008 at 8:22 am Link to this comment

No way in hell,  could re-listening to Palin on Roe VS Wade compared to Roe Vs Wade happen in my life again. 

Now, I had not heard the Palin throw up soft shoe routine on Church and State before, so I forced myself to listen.  Boy Biden is going to get his ass handed to him in a basket, because joe 12 pack is going to love listening to their cousin exerting her sitcom self on the Washington establishment, you have to love the fact she is able to say absolutely nothing better than any Washington insiders.

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By MajMike, October 2, 2008 at 7:56 am Link to this comment

At least in combat I knew what the rules were, I think that scared me less than her stunning ignorance and complete naivete does now.

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By mud, October 2, 2008 at 7:45 am Link to this comment
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Didn’t W campaign on strong states rights?

Didn’t W then send in federal swat teams to bust medical cannabis dispensaries declared perfectly legal by the state of California?

Your states rights are not worth 2 cents if the feds can come in any time they feel like it, without even bothering to notify local law enforcement, point guns at everyone and generally do whatever they feel like doing, including property confiscation and imprisonment.

Is stomping on states rights reserved just for pot laws passed by California voters?  Or is this the feds way of “send the message” that the feds can do whatever they want and your state is powerless to help you.

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By DivaJean, October 2, 2008 at 7:44 am Link to this comment
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Senator Biden needs to be proactive about her smarmy cuteness and pithy throwaway lines. The first sentence out of his mouth needs to point out how he will demonstrate true stands on policy, that are consistent with rather than in direct opposition with the running mate or party and actual knowledge of what’s happening in the world. He needs to show he will show true readiness to meet up with challenges that are hitting us now, rather than Gov Palin’s struggle to get caught up. In some old debate footage of Palin when she was running for governor, she deflected answering all the time- and drew scorn towards the opposition for things most would consider serious-  she mocked an opponent for being a “statistician” due to his knowledge of true numbers and facts. Biden needs to point out that NOT knowing true numbers and facts is whats causing all the economy mess- as well as the many messes King George is leaving behind.

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By geoffspear, October 2, 2008 at 6:36 am Link to this comment

Is it just me, or does she remind anyone else of George Costanza when he was asked about who his favorite authors are?

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By Fahrenheit 451, October 2, 2008 at 6:22 am Link to this comment

In the Tina Fey SNL skit; “Couric” says; “When you don’t know what to say you resort to being overly adorable.” or something to that effect.  Palin is as adorable as a curled up Rattlesnake without the brains.  Are we really that stupid?  I fear the answer to that question.

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By JimM, October 2, 2008 at 5:23 am Link to this comment

I dont even know if I want to watch the debate because I know how she will act, she is very similar to Bush.
She wont talk about anything of substance, but spend her time being a vicious, ignorant lying bitch. Who wants to see that?
I hope she crawls back under the log she came out from, and is shit upon by a moose.

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By LibertyWatch, October 2, 2008 at 5:23 am Link to this comment

Senator Biden needs to make certain that Palin answers the question fully and not get cutesy to dance about. I also think he should hit every ace he can with her lack of knowledge on everything but moose skinning, making babies and GOP corruption skills.

Go Joe, send her packing and put and end to this farce of her being qualified to lead our country.

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By DoctorK, October 1, 2008 at 11:57 pm Link to this comment

Make it a decisive “strike”—clean, quick and with scalpel-like precision while Hockey Mom muddles her way through the questioning and tries to get the viewing public caught up in the bubble surrounding her “airspace”.  You can bet that she is going to focus on soundbites rather than substance, the thin veneer of cutesy smiles which are there to mask her inadequacy and at base, a bitchy woman way out of her league on the national stage.

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