I keep seeing Kruschev with shoe in hand and Sarah sitting across from him saying, “Now, Nicky...”

It just does not work for me.

Jose

Actually, I wasn’t being fair to Palin when I said her $600 million bridge project across the Knik Arm wouldn’t accomplish anything but shorter commuting times.

It will also substantially raise the property values in Wasilla, including Palin’s home and all of her Wasilla friends and associates. They all stand to profit personally from this giant piece of pork

Sue Cook said “It most certainly is about who voted for it as to why the whole debacle got started in the first place.”

Sorry Sue, as much as you would like to make it about that, it is purely a credibility issue in this Presidential election, and everybody in the media is treating it as such. That issue would have been old and forgotten, had Palin not tried to use the “Thanks, but no thanks on that bridge to nowhere” line at the GOP convention. 

The truth, well documented in the state records and the ADN archives, is that her original line was just “OK, thanks”. Like all federal pork opportunities up to that point, she wholeheartedly supported the $230 million Gravina Island Access Project prior to becoming governor, then later on, AFTER it became a controversy, she changed her mind, canceled the project, and kept a substantial part of the money originally allocated for the bridge. Everybody in the state of Alaska, especially Ketchikan, knows she is pull of crap on this issue.

By the way, Palin is supporting an even more expensive bridge to nowhere, i.e. the Knik Arm bridge to her small hometown of Wasilla, this one costing $600 million, which accomplishes nothing but reducing commuting time, since Wasilla and Anchorage are already well-linked by highway (I have driven it many times).

http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/ap_alaska/story/527524.html

http://www.adn.com/opinion/view/story/527292.html

Sue Cook said “It most certainly is about who voted for it as to why the whole debacle got started in the first place.”

Sorry Sue, as much as you would like to make it about that, it is purely a credibility issue in this Presidential election, and everybody in the media is treating it as such. That issue would have been old and forgotten, had Palin not tried to use the “Thanks, but no thanks on that bridge to nowhere” line at the GOP convention. 

The truth, well documented in the state records and the ADN archives, is that her original line was just “OK, thanks”. Like all federal pork opportunities up to that point, she wholeheartedly supported the $230 million Gravina Island Access Project prior to becoming governor, then later on, AFTER it became a controversy, she changed her mind, canceled the project, and kept a substantial part of the money originally allocated for the bridge. Everybody in the state of Alaska, especially Ketchikan, knows she is pull of crap on this issue.

By the way, Palin is supporting an even more expensive bridge to nowhere, i.e. the Knik Arm bridge her small hometown of Wasilla, this one costing $600 million, which accomplishes nothing but reducing commuting time, since Wasilla and Anchorage are already well-linked by highway (I have drive it many times).

http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/ap_alaska/story/527524.html

http://www.adn.com/opinion/view/story/527292.html

make that, Rove is aware that if modern Whites get pushed too far (by Steve Schimdt’s racist propaganda) they will vote for Obama to keep their self-image (as non-racists) in tact.

Old Mr. Goebbels (I mean Rove) knows that anxiety is a double-edged sword. He wants to tilt the scales HIS way.

no way, I know what he is doing. He is acting like he is trying to defuse the Racial issue - which he knows that modern Whites are uncomfortable with.

He is giving them the classic comfort zone/vindication - “We’re not racists...”

while of course knowing, they are never going to vote for a Black man.

This is crazy. The man is a MASTER Propagandist!!

As for Carl Rove, he is as brilliant as he is amoral.  There is an angle here he is working. I haven’t figured it out yet, but I’m sure there is one.
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It’s pretty obvious that there are two things going on.  I actually believe Karl Rove is telling the truth--you just need to see it correctly. 

1) Karl Rove never had the Bush campaign run such ads.  THAT IS WHAT SURROGATES ARE FOR!  Surrogates give the campaign deniability.  If they go to far, the campaign pretends they are outraged and the surrogate takes the hit.  That’s what made the Swift Boaters such an effective, vile tool.

2) Rove is sending the message that he’s STILL the best campaigner in the GOP--this is an advertisement.

And, as a bonus, Rove and McCain clearly can’t stand each other.  They need each other, too.  So McCain isn’t using Rove, but is using Rove’s people--but badly.

Frank,

It most certainly is about who voted for it as to why the whole debacle got started in the first place.

The fact is that she played a part in stopping it along with congress period, end of story.

This is just part of another smear campaign by the Obama camp to put her under.  She’s a threat. They want her destroyed.  How dare she cut into the “chosen” one’s lead!  Just like anyone trying to bring to the attention of the American people the relationship Obama had with Ayers.  The Obama camp is sending out “alert\” emails to deluge any radio or news organizations for tempting to air the info..
WHY?, What is he so afraid of?  Losing the election probably.  If he’s so innocent, he should have no such fears.

My point is that if both Obama and Biden voted for the pork headed to Alaska for the bridge, they are sounding very hypocritical in their attacks on her.

Cheat till ahead… then call for a clean game.

Classic.

Jose

Re: Frank, Sept 15 at 1:39

• “Maybe I am starting to think too much like the conspiracy theorists, but you never know.”

Actually Frank, I think it’s perfectly fine to think like a so-called ‘conspiracy theorist’ because for one thing, it means that you’re THINKING. Just as importantly, since we have collectively become the VICTIMS of the most heinous collection of conspirators in the history of the world, it’s very helpful to be able to THINK like a conspirator.

I say we’ve wasted a whole lot of time, (me included) continuing to shake our heads in total awe, every time the SOB’s do something even more illegally heinous as the time before, and just imagine that it couldn’t get any worse. It ALWAYS gets worse with them.

And now, here we are nearly 8 years into the assault, and at least half the population has lost their minds from the non-stop terror. So please, keep thinking.

As for the ‘pardons’. It’s true that Obama long ago promised to investigate this criminal admin. I believe that he will, to the extent that he can, if only because… WE NEED IT. However, I also believe that they have been long planning their ‘escape’ and I believe that like the events of 9/11, they’ve already burned most of the evidence needed to make it a ‘slam dunk’. That’s not to say that it can’t still happen, but I’d bet dollars to sunflower seeds, that the most guilty among them, have already planned their escapes, because that’s what these criminals do.

Think of all of the other US installed dictators and mass murderers of other totalitarian regimes…Pinochet of Chile, (escaped and was later extradited, but died before he could be punished) or Fujimori of Peru, (escaped to Japan, and actually showed up in Chile in 2005. Now he’s finally on trial for his crimes, and just diagnosed with cancer). Or how about Hitler, who cheated them all by killing himself?  I could name so many more. Uruguay,Salvador, Columbia, Zimbabwe, Congo, Rwanda,etc. So many societies have been terrorized by evil regimes, and the healing can be slow. This is particularly the case when, even after the head of the beast has been removed, there is much of the former regime’s apparatus left in place. At that point, the societies must decide how to go about obtaining the JUSTICE/accountability that they so desperately need, even when that justice is not always immediate or attainable. In those cases, we often have to settle for at least the ACKNOWLEDGEMENT of the crimes that have been committed against us.

Dennis Kucinich has talked about such a process in the piece here at TD, about moving on from 9/11. A truth and reconciliation commission could be that mechanism. No, not to REPLACE a full force effort to bring the criminals to account for their crimes, but just to expose and record the full truth..because we need that first, to accomplish the rest. To that end, I find myself always recommending an excellent book by Lawrence WESCHLER, - “A Miracle, a Universe: Settling Accounts With Torturers.” I’ve read it many times, and I find something new and important with each reading.

But, I digress. In respect to any ‘pardon’s’ - the fact of the matter is that this regime has ALREADY managed to *PARDON ITSELF* by way of the most egregious of laws we’ve allowed them to pass, and that is the Military Commissions Act. In effect, it provides a retroactive pardon for nearly every illegality they have committed. And, the crimes of Karl Rove actually pale in comparison to those for which they have already ‘pardoned’ themselves.

So Obama’s first task is to overturn the MCA, and to publicize each and every ‘signing statement’ that has ever been attached to any legislation within the past 3 decades. (Cheney/Addington, by way of GW Bush, have issued more of these ‘signing statements than ALL presidents combined). Obama knows and understands how important this is, even if the majority of us don’t.

Well, it seems I am wrong.  There is precedent for a preemptive blanket pardon on federal crimes, so Bush may well do that to cover Rove and anyone else in his administration that way.

August, Bush cannot pardon Rove until he has been indicted for crime. Rove will not be charged until Bush is out of office, and no longer able to issue pardons.

The only reason Rove is saying that both campaigns have gone too far is to try to suggest that Obama is guilty of lying in the ads, not just McCain, for which he proffered no proof in this clip.  In other words, since the heat is on the McCain campaign for sleazy untrue ads, he wants to falsely assert that Obama is doing the same thing. 
Is there anyone who doesn’t think that Rove has a get-oout-of-jail-free card in his back pocket?  The Bush crime family has a history of pardoning those who were loyal lawbreakers.  If Scooter could get a commutation of his sentence, why would GWB not give Turdblossom a full pardon?  Dream on, but no justice will be meted out to Rove, Gonzalez, Cheney, Rummy and the rest of the gang.

Ya know, a lightbulb just came on in my head, with respect to the ‘angle’ I mentioned that Rove may be working. I just remembered that Joe Biden said publicly that if he and Obama are elected, they will investigate the Bush administration for possible criminal charges. When Obama was asked about this, he confirmed it. 

Now if they do go after the Bush clan, Rove is sure to be at the top of the hit list if he can be implicated in the Valerie Plame affair, and Bush will not be able to save Rove with a pardon at that point. 

If we continue to see Rove make moves that could be seen as overtures or goodwill gestures to the Obama/Biden ticket, I am going to become very suspicious that he is seeking a deal with Obama to save his own hide should Obama win the election.  He has little to fear from McCain in any case.

On the other hand, it could also be a political shot across McCain’s bow by the Bush administration for some unknown purpose. Or it may be neither. Maybe I am starting to think too much like the conspiracy theorists, but you never know.

Bert and Sue Cook, you miss the point about the infamous Bridge. It isn’t about who voted for it, it is about who flip-flopped on it due to political fallout and is now distorting the truth about it.  That is why Palin is taking flak. She was all about the federal handouts as mayor of Wasilla, and still is as governor of Alaska. She cherry-picked one reversal on a pork project that had become a scandal and now tries to wear the hat of ‘reformer’ and anti-pork crusader.  It’s a load of crap given her record.

As for Carl Rove, he is as brilliant as he is amoral.  There is an angle here he is working. I haven’t figured it out yet, but I’m sure there is one.

The title of the piece brought a burst of hilarity from me when I first ‘processed’ it. (Guess I’m sensitive to titles and headlines). I burst out laughing at the irony.

There is NOTHING ‘too far’ for Karl Rove in terms of slimy swamp political tactics. NOTHING!! So we know what he means by this...as already noted by most of the comments here. It’s only TOO far because of the blowback affect on his own party’s candidates. As sns and rage have both suggested, it’s about these negative ads kicking his party in the ass. This is at least part of what brought Hillary down.

Speaking of which, I see that the men hating racists are back...Bert and of course Sue Cook, who drops in from time to time, but Bert had been absent since her girl Hillary jacked herself up.

So now Bert says, (even though she originally claimed to be a democrat) that we should just let the unknown Palin do her thing. Yep, that’s what Bert says now.

So that’s what it boils down to with the men hating racists. As long as it’s a woman, and a white one, that’s all that matters. If Hillary didn’t make it, than Palin will do. Now how f-ing SCARY is it to know there are people out there thinking that way, and that they actually VOTE???

Would this be the same as letting the unknown GW Bush ‘do his thing’ when he was selected nearly 8 years ago?

He had about the same level of knowledge as Palin here, (though at least she’s already been out of the country ONE TIME very recently).

Can we find or build a special colony in Alaska for man-hating racists like Bert and Sue Cook? Never mind, maybe we can give ‘em a sliver of dirt or sand somewhere and let them have their own one-gender, one-race, one religion country. Maybe somewhere on the Gulf Coast?

Rove is such a party hack and is only doing what he and his ilk have been able to get away with since he oozed from the swamp called Texas politics.  Since his track record has shown success it would be foolish for the McCain campaign to shy away from letting Rove be Rove.

One wonders why Rove is not languishing in some minimum security prison, but then again, the declawed Dems have not made accountability an issue.  When Madame Speaker took impeachment off the table it was evident that nothing would be done to punish the executive branch for its myriad misdeeds and unconstitutional misanthropy. 

Karl Rove will do whatever is necessary to gain power, regain power, hold power, and increase power.  If the power of our republic no longer rests with citizens, then the cynics and opportunists who have gamed the political process, like Mr. Rove has, will continue to lie, spin, and appeal to the basest nature of the electorate to achieve victory for the candidate who can provide Mr. Rove the means to remain a player in the game of palace intrigue.

One sincerely hopes the American voter realizes the fraud that has been foisted upon them by the current administration cannot be sustained and should be marginalized at the ballot box and then be pursued in the courts.  These clowns must be held acountable for the misery and pain they have inflicted on the nation and the world.

Rove spoke of both campaigns going over the line, not just McCain’s.  Obama emails going out convienently leaves that part out.

As for the “bridge to nowhere” epic, Obama and Biden did vote for it twice! (open mouth,insert foot.)

I say the “Bridge to Nowhere” is synonymous with the election of Barack H. Obama.

Barack Obama, the audacity of nope!

Let’s not go there.

Just like Ivory soap, 993/4% pure… Get people to think that a little exaggeration, not wholesale distortion and lies are the issue here.  Rove is still the master, even when he works only part-time calling the shots.  He no longer needs the credit.

I just cannot find it in me to give this evil person the time to comment on his prejudices. Theoretically, unfortunately, turd blossom should be totally irrelevant but the piss poor sad thing is that he is not.  After the decapitating, the head of a cobra will still kill you if you stick your hand in its mouth.

The “100 percent truth test”...is that similar to a “version of the truth” which the Repubs and this bloated, pompous bag of hot air have used to try and twist public opinion in their favor? What next? Quoting Rodney King and his “can we all just get along?”.  Get a clue…

The contemptilbe Karl Rove speaks: who “left the country” for a short time: to reappear & never get charged: our country has 1 party that agrees on everything: it is owned & run by the Corps: who originally had LAWS protecting the people from huge conglomerations: but they were removed by the lawless lawbreakers running this country; bribed years ago they went to the politicians & said: instead of all the taxes being paid for profits from big business: (same folks who owned the large plantations folks) lets let the PEOPLE pay the taxes; and thus: we the people are paying taxes for Corps who have run wild amuck all laws with our Lame duck leaders paving the way: beseiged & told repeatedly that “we are free” in reality: the Corps run Congress; no amounts of emails, protesting, etc, is going to do a thing; evidence is overwhelming in environment, finance, chemical companies, who poison every possible thing: remember the cigarettes? it was said then: it is NOT the tobacco but the POISONS put in the cigarettes that cause the HEALTH problems: you can’t PROVE that is what was said: well, you put rat poison, formaldehyde, & all kinds of 599 other poisons & additives to eggs: & see if any “health” problems arise: or like they do now: to shampoos, soaps, shaving creams, laundry soaps, cleaning products, dryer sheets, perfumes, food, water (see WHY floride has been banned in almost every single country but USA) it was put in the water supply cuz HITLER did it; read WHY; may have to go to library cuz they been running around changing the internet so much; bats, bees, monarch butterflies, birds, bears: they are DYING because of the pesticides: and the justice system is owned & operated by the Congress who is owned & operated by the Corps who state HOW this country will be run; if ya don’t LIKE it why not join with me in a Corp of the PEOPLE for the PEOPLE of the USA? THEN & only then do you have “rights” and are “recognized”; then we the PEOPLE will NOT have to pay taxes either! YEAH!