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Amy Goodman, ‘Democracy Now!’ Producers Arrested at RNC

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According to the “Democracy Now!” Web site, producers Sharif Abdel Kouddous and Nicole Salazar were arrested Monday afternoon “while they carried out their journalistic duties in covering street demonstrations at the Republican National Convention,” and host Amy Goodman was arrested for “defending her colleagues and the freedom of the press.”


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All three were violently manhandled by law enforcement officers. Abdel Kouddous was slammed against a wall and the ground, leaving his arms scraped and bloodied. He sustained other injuries to his chest and back. Salazar’s violent arrest by baton-wielding officers, during which she was slammed to the ground while yelling, “I’m Press! Press!,” resulted in her nose bleeding, as well as causing facial pain. Goodman’s arm was violently yanked by police as she was arrested.

On Tuesday, Democracy Now! will broadcast video of these arrests, as well as the broader police action. These will also be available on: www.democracynow.org

[...] Ramsey County Sheriff Bob Fletcher told Democracy Now! that Kouddous and Salazar were arrested on suspicion of rioting, a felony. While the three have been released, they all still face charges stemming from their unlawful arrest. Kouddous and Salazar face pending charges of suspicion of felony riot, while Goodman has been officially charged with obstruction of a legal process and interference with a “peace officer.”

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By Mike Varady, September 10, 2008 at 3:35 pm Link to this comment
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Way down in the comments section on Amy Goodman’s arrest, folks start talking about anarchy.  They’re confusing in their definitions.

“Anarchy” is when all hell breaks out, along with windows, and a huge rebellion against officials, without any seeming intent.

“Anarchism” is a form of government in which there are no laws needed because humans’ ethics will have evolved to the point where those laws are unnecessary.  There has, clearly, never been any such government, because we haven’t evolved that far.  It’s all theory, as nice as such an system would be.

I suggest that the word “anarchist,” since it’s so widely used already, should apply to “anarchy.”  And the word “anarchite” would well describe one who hopes for the second definition.  Using “anarchist” for both of them just adds to the confusion.

Now, let’s stop the quibbling.  Judging by her amazing ability to comprehend situations and to act well within all of them, I’m sure that Amy Goodman reported the situation with objectivity and honesty.

But I can’t be sure, since I wasn’t there to see it.  And neither were any of the others whose comments were printed.

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By KDelphi, September 4, 2008 at 9:37 am Link to this comment

rowman, does it really make you feeletter when people say “Thank you for your service?” I hope so—cause that is about all you are going to get out of this administraiton. No GI Bill, limiiting disability claims (PTSD is now Peronsality disorder—an affliction that cannot be ‘caught” so late in life, they would have found it before they signed them oup—IF they wer still using standardizied tests—now they admit felons (violent ones—just their type)and..just anyone—behold Abu Gharib!!) Becaue most vets I now would prefer a pay raise (about half of what the mercenaries get, please?), a GI BILL, good body armour, and not to run out of food, water a bullts, on the battlefiedl because Halliburton’s employees are to drunk or lazy to deliver them!

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By KDelphi, September 4, 2008 at 9:29 am Link to this comment

I am married to a Vietnam vet—thank US for his Agent Orange problem!!!Nice name-calling, but its bs. What the HELL do you care how someone spells? I HAVE RA, which I think i mentioned to you before—i am not ABOUT to re-type things , adn cause myself pain (because I cannot afford RA meds) so you dont have to use what is left of your right brain to decipher sp errors. It seems you go the point, cause you sound awfuly pissed off.

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By rowman, September 4, 2008 at 9:19 am Link to this comment

KDelphi,

I have a military background and have fought for the rights you get to enjoy today. You’re welcome.

You strike me as some kid in his early tweens that should be in school learning to spell. You clearly have a spelling, reading, writing and research challenge. It is so sever, I cannot take you seriously so I am forced to ignore you unintelligible ranting.

Now run along and go back to school little boy.

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By hetzer, September 4, 2008 at 8:50 am Link to this comment

On the surface are huge convoys with tankers full of snake oil and freighters full of money.  The crooks are so arrogant that they don’t even have escort protection.  AND THEY HAVE NO SONAR TO SPEAK OF.  They are sopciopaths who can manipulate simple human emotions, but they do not have the imagination to comprehend anything better.  Leave Amy in her lifeboat and come back later.

Fashion your own torpedoes and launch a wide spread.  As they said during World War II.  It is the happy time.

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By hetzer, September 4, 2008 at 8:49 am Link to this comment

On the surface are huge convoys with tankers full of snake oil and freighters full of money.  The crooks are so arrogant that they don’t even have escort protection.  AND THEY HAVE NO SONAR TO SPEAK OF.  They are sopciopaths who can manipulate simple human emotions, but they do not have the imagination to comprehend anything better.

Fashion your own torpedoes and launch a wide spread.  As they said during World War II.  It is the happy time.

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By KDelphi, September 4, 2008 at 8:39 am Link to this comment

This rowman guy/gal is some type of military stooge or spec. cop. No one else uses terms like “breach of comand and control perimeter”—unless he is, like , a real fan of the gestapo.If Amy was arrested for a “dumb” or “stupid move”,—then, it was illegal—if people were arrested for dumb moves, esp ones that lead to tyhe death of millions)and that were the law of the land the White House and Pentagon would be empty, and the remainig military , who are largely protesting the war, could lead us in a coup d’etat—a peaceful one, but one where we could be protected from mercenaries. One can dream..Of course Dubya et al have committed war crimes (Rummy stil cannot enter Germany or Italy—they held trials for them there—they remember what jackbooted thugs do!)As for “never trusting Amy again”—really?? You were a big fan of her show before?? Because you just dont strike me as the type. “young adults”—alot of them are alot older than I am. (remember the “white little old ladies you referred to? That they “scared”? THEY WERE WITH THE PROTESTERS!Of course, there was not a “RIOT”, as you imply, and, as far as I’m concerned, things did not go afar enough! When the govt refuses to obey the laws, refuses to obey the will of hte people, refusese intl law—what does one do? Hail Dubya?? Now that would be a REALLY dumb move!. The Supreme Court has already ruled against thsi Adminis. many times—and HE APPOINTED THEM!@-but that it MOST CERTAINLY not what happend here—was anyone harmed by her actions? (No—property is NOT a “person”; corp. are not “people”; money is NOT “free speech”. ) A better court wil correct this.If you are so concerned with “law and order” (protest cannot happen with “order”, thus makikng law and order unconstitutional)why dont you use your “skills” to formulate an impeachment of Dubya et al? Or to indict Blackwater, who live by NO laws. If you love law and order, do something to stop this illegal war—invasion without provocation, (teh UN should be left to deal with breach of sanctions) and removal of a standing head of state. Even if you think “they would be better off”—they almost never are, and , in any case, it is not our business to decide. We could have/should have let the inspecters finish—Blitz and Ritter were forcefuly removed from the country by Rummy.If removing Sadam was OK—it should surely be legal to remove the head of state in one’s own coutnry when they abuse ths [people and break the law—Goodman et al were just trying to do it in a less violent fashion than Dubya has done to other countries.

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By rowman, September 4, 2008 at 8:03 am Link to this comment

I appreciate your optimism brother.

What we know is that a group of dimwits made a public proclamation to crash the convention and infringe on the free speech rights of others. They planned to use “unconventional” tactics such as, the disruption of the transportation system. There is no doubt this group exists and is present at the convention now.

This group does hold some responsibility here. By publically stating that they planned to “obtain press credentials” the local police on the ground were no doubt briefed on this. So during the riot, those press credentials were no doubt suspect. Two reporters were in the riot zone amid the chaos. They were detained and released once their credentials were verified.

Amy was not acting in a reporter’s capacity when she was detained. She was stepping into a lock down zone during a riot and was told not too repeatedly. She breached their perimeter, continued to argue with them and they detained her. No surprise there. She had access to some high ranking officials inside the convention but chose to take here argument to the riot police on the ground who were trying to restore peace and order. Dumb move.

Again I submit that the police were just trying to do a job and not be overrun by a group of young adults whose strategy was to “crash the convention”. The convention crashers are the ones to blame here. Amy just made a stupid move fueled by emotion and is trying to spin this into something more than it is. I have lost all respect for her and do not and will not trust anything she says ever again.

I do not concede that the police or anyone on the law enforcement side was engaged in illegalities. How do you conclude that she had a right to breach the Police command and control perimeter during a riot when she was told not to multiple times?

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By Outraged, September 3, 2008 at 9:18 pm Link to this comment

Re: rowman

You still haven’t conceded that police were engaged in illegalities ALSO.  And that Amy Goodman and her crew were ILLEGALLY DETAINED, FALSELY ARRESTED AND ILLEGALLY CHARGED.

Call a spade a spade, rowman.

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By Outraged, September 3, 2008 at 9:05 pm Link to this comment

Re: rowman

I’ve checked your links and I find nothing outlandish there.  These people feel that saving our country will require strong resistance.  This is not WAY OFF THE MARK, so to speak.  Could some of these INDIVIDUALS be “out there”..?  I suppose they could, but to claim that IN FACT they are, would be a philosophical debate.

Further, it seems questionable that if they seriously were, what many are claiming THEY ARE, that they would ANNOUNCE these things via the internet is suspect.  We are THOUROUGHLY AWARE OF GOVERNMENT SPYING.  Does in this case it not seem obviously stupid to BELIEVE that “covert anarchists” are staging a revolution VIA the internet!  How riduculous is that…?

I will say, it does make a person wonder, WHAT IS GOING ON HERE.  And this is what we need to ascertain.  Not were these supposed anarchists staging a covert revolution via the internet…  C’mon!

This is the work of propagandists and flat out fucking liars, period… dot… end.  It’s too obvious.

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By hetzer, September 3, 2008 at 5:41 pm Link to this comment

When you are in a war, you have no rights.  Rights exist in the fighting spirit of suckers and slaves.  They have no written guarantees or form.

Crooks know this, that is why the do everything they can to demoralize the opposition.  Is anyone surprised?

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By YIKES, September 3, 2008 at 4:52 pm Link to this comment

Very good misdirection of the issue.  Amy is arrested and you are off on tangents.  If it was Robert Scheer, Dan Rathernot or Walter Cronkite would the same bile be presented.  Or more appropriate, would there be unanimous OUTRAGE leveled at the entire state minnesota.  I have made my choice.  I am OUTRAGED.

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By KDelphi, September 3, 2008 at 4:36 pm Link to this comment

I checked the last two links—there is nothing in there that it illegal. Youre not allowed to just arrest people in the uS because they disagree with you. You also have a right to protest anyone, anywhere you wish (except private property—tho the neo-con Supreme Court might disagree), as long as you are not violent. If you dont like it—go join the Project for the New Am Cent. (which is never coming now, thanks to neo-cons)or Blackwatrer. They are looking for pepole who think the laws apply in any way they wish to enforce them , as to people who espres a desire to INFORM them of their disagreement with thei rmurder and war profiteering. Lemme ask you—if you could sto the murder of 100s of 1000s with a mic—would you do it? Anyone so concerned with “law and order” should be using thei skills to lock up the people who got us into this unbearable situation anyway—and I dont care if it is Dem members of Congress. How much $$  have you made off this, anyway?

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By rowman, September 3, 2008 at 3:53 pm Link to this comment

lol.

Outrage, if it makes you feel better, yes. I absolutely concur and acknowledge that no information or activity should condone illegal activity. I am fully on board with you there.

The more you read about their “strategy” the more you inclined you are to have a bit of sympathy for the guys on the street having to keeps these kids in line and not shut down their city as they had hoped to do. They were well beyond talk and planning. They were definitely in to the execution phase of their silly little operation.

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By Outraged, September 3, 2008 at 3:39 pm Link to this comment

Re: rowman

The term “blockades” can mean several things.  I’m not familiar with this group, but thanks for the link.  I’ll check it out in more detail later on today.  Again, this was still a few, and you can’t necessarily condemn them all until you have an accurate grasp of their whole perspective.

I’ll be predisposed for a while but I’ll get back to you.

Still, this should not be used as an EXCUSE for illegalities by the police. Something you have yet to acknowledge.

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By rowman, September 3, 2008 at 3:34 pm Link to this comment

Here are a couple more links

http://www.unconventionalaction.org/
Click on Resources: How to guides.

http://www.nornc.org/156/
Read the bottom paragraph specifically “That means one year to study maps, prepare blockades, run our sprints, climb fences, craft disguises, find press credentials”

Find press credentials eh. Amy can thank them for this.

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By rowman, September 3, 2008 at 3:24 pm Link to this comment

Outraged,
I have no idea if it could stop a bus. You would know better than I so I would defer that to you. I’ve had a small nail in my tire ruin my day but don’t know much about bus tires I must admit.

Apparently, they think it would. No one said they were smart. 

http://www.nornc.org/2007/09/30/crash-the-convention-2008-call-to-action/

Crash The Convention- 2008 Call To Action
How we get there (the strategy):

2. Transportation Troubles – This includes blockades downtown (at key intersections), on bridges (10 bridges over the Mississippi River in the metro area), and other sporadic and strategic targets (busses, hotel and airport shuttles etc).


No wonder the local police were on alert…

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By Outraged, September 3, 2008 at 3:08 pm Link to this comment

Re: Anarcissie, September 3 at 1:46 pm

Good post.  Thank you.

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By Anarcissie, September 3, 2008 at 2:46 pm Link to this comment

rowman: ‘Ah. I see, Its one giant conspiracy against you. That cop who is just trying to feed his family is really a body invaded by an alien life-force that is trying to keep you down. Paranoia…. You might want to get some treatment for that.’

I enjoy paranoia as much as anyone, but in this case I’ve been discussing concrete, material, observable behavior.  There is no need for an alien life-force or a conspiracy: everything is pretty much out in the open, if you’re willing to look.  The basic idea of the state is that some people can and should rule the others.  The police take jobs implementing part of that policy.  I have to assume they find the job reasonably congenial, or they’d find jobs doing something else, and they’re not “just trying to feed their families”, but believe in what they’re doing.  As I’ve just pointed out, part of overpowering other people—the essential function of the state—is denying them accurate knowledge, because knowledge is power.  Part of one’s job, as a state operative, then, is to conceal or distort facts.  That sounds weirdly contrary to what we’re taught in grade school, but then we observe endless evidence from the real world where that is exactly what happens, as in the example I gave you.  Observation supports the theory.

The anarchist’s objective is a confrontation with police….

Anarchists, being people, have a lot of different objectives.  Some of them may want to fight with the police, just as a lot of non-anarchists do.  In my experience it’s not a dominant theme in anarchism; after all, you become like those you fight against and eventually merge with them.  However, I think a lot of anarchists (and non-anarchist dissidents) do want to engage the society, the community, as a whole, on such issues as aggression, war, imperialism and repression.  Decades ago, people had big demonstrations, like the old Civil Rights and anti-war events.  The ruling class learned how to neutralize these actions and put them out of sight.  Half a million people demonstrated against the upcoming invasion of Iraq in 2003 and it was hardly noticed.  Today we have “free speech zones” which are of course specifically designed to prevent free speech.  The subsequent tactic, for some people (not me), seems to have been disruption by small groups, but as we can see from the events we’re discussing the authorities have no trouble infiltrating, intimidating and provoking these groups and then lying about it.  Meanwhile, the mainstream media have been disciplined to the point where they didn’t speak of the Soviet-style raids which preceded the demonstrations until they could preface them with accounts of street violence and the authorities’ interpretation of it (whereas in fact the authoritarian violence preceded the street violence).  So disruption doesn’t seem to be very effective either.  I won’t even go into the likelihood that those involved in disruption and vandalism are being led on by provocateurs; this message is long enough as it is.

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By Outraged, September 3, 2008 at 2:36 pm Link to this comment

Re: rowman

I took another look at the picture of that caltrop in the article you had linked to,

http://www.twincities.com/ci_10344356?source=most_emailed

Check out the picture of the caltrop again… Is that even large enough to stop a bus?  I used to drive school bus and from the picture they’re showing, looking at it in relation to the fingernail of the person holding it, it doesn’t look large enough to stop a bus, possibly not even puncture the tire.  I’m not sure, but I know any bus mechanic should be able to tell you right away.  Bus tires are much thicker than automobile tires.

Also, how did they know these were meant to stop a bus…?  Did these “anarchists” allude to that or something…?  I also KNOW that school buses have at least six tires, disabling one tire would not necessarily put you out of commission.  Tour type buses have more than that, with 2 sets of duallies, both sides in addition to the front tires (10 tires).

I suppose the intent could have still been there.  Which then, would make them inept crooks at that.  Hard to say…..hard to say.

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By Outraged, September 3, 2008 at 2:00 pm Link to this comment

Re: rowman

Your comment: “If the anarchists were not present, do you think this would even be an issue?”

Absolutely!  I definitely think that there was a cabal TRYING TO THWART FREE SPEECH.  And I think it was at the federal level.  And these goons USED these anarchists, those “FEW”, who MAY have engaged in illegalities, as a pretext for their ILLEGAL attempts to control AND disallow accurate media coverage.  Do I think the average “joe” officers on the street were aware of this….no.  They also were being used. Do I think there were those in the upper ranks of “The Cities” police departments who were involved…..yes.  I think there were those “in the know” and “those not in the know”.

Still, Amy Goodman and her crew were falsely arrested AND falsely charged.  That IS obvious, so who is behind this…?  Did you notice that her press “top security clearance credential” was immediately torn off by secret service.  Listen to her again:

http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=2216

And why were her crew members subjected to this type of police brutality.  This is the video recorded by Nicole Salazar during that “arrest”.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jreRSEQ_yg

I think they were singled out.  I think it was a set-up.  This thing smells to high heaven.

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By KDelphi, September 3, 2008 at 1:56 pm Link to this comment

It was an isue Denver—-alhough, alot less brutal—the suppression stil happened. I guessits easier to see it as necessay when you agree with at least part of the huge power structure continuing, longer before, and after, this election.

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By rowman, September 3, 2008 at 1:26 pm Link to this comment

I totally agree that it is guilt by association. The anarchists are trying to blend with peaceful protesters and they are the ones to blame.

Most police officers I know are card totting union members that usually vote democrat. These guys are picking the fight with the wrong people for one. The officers are just trying to do a job and go home. When the “riots” break out and rumors are out that anarchists may poses false credentials, what the hell are they supposed to do? They need to restore order and safety first and foremost. I don’t blame them and if I was a reporter who was caught up in it, I would still understand what they were up against. But that is just me.

I do not think this was some conspiracy to thwart free speech. If the anarchists were not present, do you think this would even be an issue?

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By Outraged, September 3, 2008 at 1:11 pm Link to this comment

Re: rowman

As regards the confiscated items:

“The statement said the items found in the searches included:

Materials to create “sleeping dragons” (PVC pipe, chicken wire, duct tape), which is when protesters lock themselves together
Large amounts of urine, including three to five gallon buckets of urine
Wrist rockets (high-powered slingshots)
A machete, hatchet and several throwing knives
a gas mask and filter
Empty glass bottles
Rags
Flammable liquids
Homemade caltrops (devises used to disable buses in roads)
Metal pipes
Axes
Bolt cutters
Sledge hammers
Rapelling equipment
Kryptonite locks
Empty plastic buckets cut and made into shields
Material for protective padding
An Army helmet.

Are any of these items illegal?  I thought this too was odd:
“Materials to create “sleeping dragons” (PVC pipe, chicken wire, duct tape), which is when protesters lock themselves together”

> Isn’t that alleging something which didn’t occur?  As in: “MATERIALS TO CREATE” and then transferring that into AND they would have done it.  But they didn’t.

Now the urine…? You got me….is there a use for this much urine….we need McGyver.  As it is, it appears there were those who MAY have been up to no good, however most of these items ARE legal.  I’m not sure about the caltrops, but the rest appear to be legal.

Back to the article: “Five people have been arrested and four properties have been searched, according to the sheriff’s office.”

> Only five people, out of ALL those who were terrorized with assault weapons by the police.  The article also claims four properties were searched, but how many were caught in the middle which were completely innocent AND what about the alleged thuggish police behavior during these raids?

In addition, this STILL doesn’t address, in fact, IT ATTEMPTS TO STEER CRITICISM away from NUMEROUS ACTS of police brutality and illegalities.  Do you think there are FIVE video taped instances of police brutalities, NOT ALLEDGED but DOCUMENTED, currently out on the internet…?  MUCH MORE SERIOUS THAN A FEW PAILS OF PISS.

Has the MSM “picked-up” on this story yet…?  I haven’t checked today, yet.  Either way, there are also numerous reports of attempting to STOP THE PRESS FROM DOING THEIR JOBS.  This is illegal.  It is NOT less illegal than committing any other crime.  It is a crime.  It seems to me that you are attempting a logic which says “one crime deserves another” and so then all is “good”.  Even if one were to take you position, then ALL should be in jail or NO ONE.

Still…none of this qualifies the illegal arrest of Amy Goodman or crew members, Sharif Abdel Kouddous and Nicole Salazar.

Just one more point, how many police officers have been arrested regarding their illegal actions?

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By Gmonst, September 3, 2008 at 12:51 pm Link to this comment

Cops are the biggest bunch of liars you will ever meet. They are serial liars, and lying is a normal part of police culture and procedure.  You can always count on cops to lie, especially in situations like this.  They need to make it look like they did some “good” and got some “bad-guys” they will lie and distort the truth to make that happen.  Not one of those items are illegal.  Buckets of piss are not illegal.  If they had these people nailed, why didn’t they watch them and strike when they were actually doing something illegal?  They have been arrested for their political beliefs and nothing else.  Just another incident in this developing trend of arresting people for what they might do instead of what they did.  We have a right to protest!

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By Outraged, September 3, 2008 at 12:38 pm Link to this comment

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Good article.

An excerpt: “People planning to protest at the Republican National Convention and St. Paul City Council Member Dave Thune are calling the actions a preemptive strike before the RNC, which starts Monday.

St. Paul’s mayor said this afternoon that free speech rights are separate from criminal behavior.

“We have worked very, very hard to make sure we’ve protected people’s right to exercise free speech,” Coleman said. “To pick up a protest sign, that’s fine. If you’re here to pick up a brick or some other instrument there’s a problem.”

It continues: “Thune has been concerned about the conduct of authorities in the last 24 hours regarding activists.

“This is all about free speech,” Thune said. “It’s what my father fought in the war for. To me, this smacks of preemptive strike against free speech.”

This is correct, and I agree with St. Paul City Council member Thune and the mayor on both these issues.  No one is advocating illegalities, BOTH SIDES!

Then there was this: ““We, just like the Republicans, have the right to free speech,” Honkala said. One speaker, who said she does not belong to any protest group, but lives in St. Paul and has been helping visiting protesters, said the raid on the convergence center was unprompted and that the people there had done nothing wrong.”

> This is simply guilt by association.  If we use the logic that police terrorizing INNOCENT members of this group is justified, then in turn this would make retaliation to cops (any cops) also justified. Do you UNDERSTAND why it was wrong now….?  You cannot “sweep up” and terrorize ALL MEMBERS of a group simply because SOME break the law.  BOTH SIDES.

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By rowman, September 3, 2008 at 12:38 pm Link to this comment

Ah. I see, Its one giant conspiracy against you. That cop who is just trying to feed his family is really a body invaded by an alien life-force that is trying to keep you down. Paranoia…. You might want to get some treatment for that.

The anarchist’s objective is a confrontation with police. That is the only possible outcome from their actions. You can see video all over the internet where they are smashing windows, causing mayhem and even attacked a cop. You can view photos of the items confiscated but those photos and videos are all planted huh. The anarchists are just peaceful demonstrators.

Grow up dude. That convention has a right to free speech as well. The anarchists are looking for a fight and they are making all of the protestors (peaceful or not) look bad.

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By Anarcissie, September 3, 2008 at 11:57 am Link to this comment

rowman: ’... Why do you want to defend the anarchists that disrupted the peaceful protests and gave them a black eye? Are you saying they are all one???’

My experience with police and other authoritarians is that they lie a lot.  Theory accords with this perception: the authoritarians believe in a hierarchy of power, and knowledge is power, so, if you want to stay high up and keep other people down, it is useful to conceal knowledge and to pollute the knowledge of those outside your power structure—in other words, give them misinformation, propaganda, lies.  Therefore, my instinct whenever I read about a conflict between the police and anti-authoritarian political groups is to suspect that the authoritarians are lying about it.  A recent case in point: New York City is now paying out millions of dollars to settle lawsuits because the police beat up and arrested peaceful demonstrators and then lied about it during the RNC in 2004.

You seem to have a fairly vague, malleable notion of truth yourself.  I have not, actually, defended any “anarchists that disrupted the peaceful protests”; all that I have done is point out the specious quality of the accusations against them.  Before I can criticize any alleged malefactors, it will be necessary to establish some notion of the facts other than police propaganda.  That may take a long time, given the interests of the authorities in obscuring and deforming the facts.  (Hence the targeting of people with cameras.)  In any case there is no point in discussing such issues with authoritarians because they believe in power, not truth; anything said will either be turned to propaganda or ignored, just as it is in the boss media today.

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By Anarcissie, September 3, 2008 at 11:30 am Link to this comment

rowman: ’... Those threats gave the local police force all the ammunition they needed. Smashing windows, creating mayhem in the streets and attacking a cop does not help their case. They claim to have seized buckets of urine. WTF? You can’t make that stuff up.  What kind of sick person stockpiles urine?...’

Actually, you can make stuff like that up.  And you can interpret ordinary household items like bleach, oven cleaner and the contents of a chamber pot as weapons.  However, I was more interested in the advanced munitions described, which of course haven’t showed up.  Prediction: the MSM will conflate the science fiction with whatever was found (or supplied by the police).

From what I read most recently, the police are making a strong effort to seize video and other cameras.  That’s the secret weapon they seem to be most afraid of.

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By rowman, September 3, 2008 at 11:06 am Link to this comment

I don’t know if they talked but the accusation is that they threatened to do X.

Those threats gave the local police force all the ammunition they needed. Smashing windows, creating mayhem in the streets and attacking a cop does not help their case. They claim to have seized buckets of urine. WTF? You can’t make that stuff up.  What kind of sick person stockpiles urine?

Here is another article that has some photos of the items seized.
http://www.twincities.com/ci_10344356?source=most_emailed

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By Outraged, September 3, 2008 at 10:49 am Link to this comment

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I still haven’t seen how Amy Goodman broke the law. 

Are you claiming that asking to speak to a supervisor while you are wearing the highest clearance creditials given by the Secret Service to the press, to inquire about crew members who have been ILLEGALLY DETAINED AND ABUSED, is an arrestable offense?!

Your argument has NO BASIS.  They arrested Amy Goodman without CAUSE.  PRESS HAS A RIGHT TO BE THERE.  Read the constitution.

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By Outraged, September 3, 2008 at 10:36 am Link to this comment

Re: rowman

Look again at what you’re advocating.

The article you linked to CLAIMS:

the “members” of the group, “TALKED about tactics to “shut down the RNC.”

and “TALKED about an “action camp”

and, “An individual by the name of ‘Henry’ TOLD the action camp group”

and, “Another person TALKED about using large puppets to conceal and transport Molotov cocktails, bricks,”

and, “The affidavit also said that group e-mails from the Welcoming Committee TALKED about leaving abandoned or overturned vehicles at intersections”

> That certainly sounds like ALL talk to me, rowman.  Where’s their evidence?  What this article is claiming is that SOME OF THE MEMBERS, INCLUDING THE INFORMANT “talked” about this or that.  You never heard of young people shooting their mouths off.  This was a group of YOUNG PEOPLE.  Even if they had said some of these things, would it be that odd…?  They should have tapes of these conversations….shouldn’t they, this is the 21st century.  And I’d be curious to know WHO brought up the matter, IF IT WAS DISCUSSED AT ALL, could it have been the “informant”.  What tops off the whole ordeal is THEY FOUND NOTHING.

In addition, look how specious this statement is: “investigators seized homemade devices used to disable buses and other vehicles, weapons, gas masks, flammable liquids and rags that could be used to make Molotov cocktails, computer storage devices, documents, pamphlets and banners.”

Let’s looks at this piece of propaganda, “seized homemade devices to disable buses”, I’m curious, what were those…?  And wasn’t it LAW ENFORCEMENT which stopped the Earth Justice bus and left ALL it’s riders stranded on the side of the road.  For what…?  We’re these “dangerous” people too.  It’s is highly suspicious and appears a direct attempt to quelch dissent.

It claims, “and weapons”.  Like what..? Kitchen knives…?  Pocket knives…what OTHER WEAPONS…?  Did they happen to have “bigger stones in their driveway”...what…what “other weapons”.

The article also claims, “flammable liquids and rags that could be used to make Molotov cocktails”

Then it says, “which COULD BE USED to make Molotov cocktails”.  Well…rowman…how many people in America have some sort of “flammable liquid” in their home along with “rags”.  This is bullshit.  This “innuendo” is saying but they “could have used” this or that to do this or that, the fact is THEY DIDN’T, and the materials found would indict most of America if one used this type of EMBELLISHMENT!

When you add to this ALL the illegal behavior directed at protesters or individuals who MONITOR THE POLICE, it becomes even MORE suspect.

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By rowman, September 3, 2008 at 10:24 am Link to this comment

RE: KDelphi, September 3 at 5:53 am #

“the story does not say exactly wehat you said it says”

You propagandist lying piece of crap. I copied and pasted the article you illiterate prick. You can compare it word for word! Jokes on you fool.

Anarcissie,
No sure what you are saying. The police say that they confiscated all kinds of nefarious stuff. Buckets of urine? Feces? Etc. etc.

Not for me to defend anyway. Take it up with their local police force that executed the searches.

Why do you want to defend the anarchists that disrupted the peaceful protests and gave them a black eye? Are you saying they are all one???

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By thebeerdoctor, September 3, 2008 at 9:44 am Link to this comment

re: Celsius 232.77777777777777778

Powaqqatsi? Well let me put it this way. I was hauling dirt away from the Blackwater Mountain training camp when a boulder came rolling down and hit me square on my very round head.
Later, when I was revived and checked for concussion, my construction supervisor told me not to fret. Collateral construction site damage is just a part of the Naqoyqatsi way of doing things.
Peace.

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By KDelphi, September 3, 2008 at 9:39 am Link to this comment

It is going to happen again in Ohio, but the DNC seems oblivious! I helped moveon.org with this isn 2004—but they cant do much if the DNC wont help them—Tubs JOnes (RIP) and Boxer TRIED to do something—the Dems had “another hearing” and “moved on”!

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By hetzer, September 3, 2008 at 9:35 am Link to this comment

Remember the intimidation tactics used on vote counters in Florida?  This is just more of the same.  I wouldn’t worry about rights.  I would worry more about smarts and how we can outflank or diffuse these tactics.

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By Anarcissie, September 3, 2008 at 8:05 am Link to this comment

rowman quotes: ... “An individual by the name of ‘Henry’ told the action camp group that he was throwing a liquid-filled balloon and that members of the group should stay away from the area … because it would be very dangerous,” the document said. “Henry stated the balloon was filled with a chemical that would be very dangerous and if caught, he would go to jail for a long time.” ...

Isn’t interesting, then, that they didn’t find any of this nifty stuff?  Even when doing Soviet-style break-ins at 3 a.m.?

Looks like they failed to observe standard police procedure: when going on a raid, be sure to bring enough evidence.

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By Fahrenheit 451, September 3, 2008 at 7:52 am Link to this comment

@ beerdoctor;

Oh, by the way, did you also see Powaqqatsi?  Excellent followup.
Peace

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By Fahrenheit 451, September 3, 2008 at 7:46 am Link to this comment

@ beerdoctor;

Koyaanisqatsi: My goodness, the Hopi saying; “system out of balance”.  I couldn’t be more impressed!  You must be older than you sound.  But, big but, nobody has asked what it means.  You are preaching to the passive, blogging, uninvolved, disconnected, do nothing masses.  I do enjoy your posts, Koyaanisqatsi, wow, 20+ years since I heard that one…good on ya!

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By KDelphi, September 3, 2008 at 7:10 am Link to this comment

I think you may be right about Blackwater. I wish ONE of the two parties would make it a point to get rid of htem. We “cant get by without them”? Other countries do. We always have. They are a right-wing neo-con task force, shaming our country and military thoroughout the world. What they have done, from Baghdad to new Orleans , is unforgiveable, and criminal , under even the most primitive systems’ laws. So, why not held accountable so far? Both parties decided it was oK to have a bunch of US citizens (and others—you can be a former Pinochet guard, a pissed off guy, poor as hell, from former Yugoslavia, Uzbekistan—BW doesnt care!)fight and kill under NO DISCERNIBLE LAW WHATSOEVER that would be recognized by world courts! Id rather die than live under the jackboot of these basterds. The School of hte Americas—only a bigger paycheck!

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By KDelphi, September 3, 2008 at 6:53 am Link to this comment

rowman—I went to that site—the story does not say exactly wehat you said it says, and I urge people to check it out. Being of a short atten span, I cannot/will not check out al the links here. I do know one, thing—pro-active arrest (arresting people for what they might do) is UNCONSTITUTIONAL! Alot of people are saying the pigs lied—oh NEVER!! The opinion pages on your site also show the same dopgged-rightwing neo-con crap as you do—you “want the govt out of our lives” , yes you want an anti-terrorist police state”. I’ll take my chances, as far as that goes, because I certasinly dont trust any one guy—esp Dubya!!- to “protect us”. He sure as hel didnt do it before. blame Clinton, whatever. The fact remains, that the worst attack in our nation’s history happened on neo-cons “we’ll protect you ma’em’s” watch!If he’d been a Dem (or, if the Dems had any balls) he’s be impeached, long ago

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By troublesum, September 3, 2008 at 6:52 am Link to this comment

Goodman was told by someone on the Minneapolis police force that the storm trooper who arrested her was “not one of ours.”  It seems likely that he was a Blackwater employee.  Since democracynow has covered the rise of Blackwater better than any other news organization I have to wonder if she and the other democracynow reproters were roughed up because of their exposure of Blackwater.

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By thebeerdoctor, September 3, 2008 at 6:30 am Link to this comment

This country suffers from a constitutional form of Koyaanisqatsi. The people abandon the time honored concept of limited government and demand for an even more powerful executive branch. Both Senators McCain and Obama do a disservice when they claim the President’s job is to protect the people. No it is not. The second amendment, so distorted by the gun lobby and those opposed to it, was put there for one specific reason: to enable the people to protect themselves from the abuses of government. It was a vaccine against the federal government disarming the citizenry and imposing rule through a standing army or select militia. And now we have Blackwater and other privatized federal contractors, that neither of the two candidates wish to abolish.

But what is truly disquieting about all of this, is that the people, the people who see their own liberties being taken away, actually call for this to happen by demanding a strong chief executive to lead them out of the wilderness, that the same executive branch has chosen to create.
So the next time you hear McCain or Obama saying they will protect you, consider what it truly is: a power hungry grab, based on nothing.

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By rowman, September 3, 2008 at 5:39 am Link to this comment

The why factor is starting to be answered.
+ 5 points to the thebeerdoctor for calling out government “spies”...


http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/2008/09/02/anarchists_republican_convention.html


Almost a year to the day before the Republican National Convention began, members of a self-described anarchist group gathered to talk about ways to disrupt it, including kidnapping delegates, sabotaging air vents at the Xcel Energy Center, blocking bridges and “capturing federal buildings” in Minneapolis and St. Paul.
Unbeknownst to the group, the RNC Welcoming Committee, two police informants and an undercover investigator had infiltrated their ranks, according to an affidavit and search warrant application filed Tuesday. The informants and investigator accessed group e-mails, attended meetings, talked strategies with members and participated in camps and workshops.
The 17-page document, signed by Ramsey County District Judge Joanne Smith, laid out the evidence that led the Ramsey County Sheriff’s Department to raid a St. Paul business and three Minneapolis homes Friday night and Saturday morning.
The affidavit paints a picture of a group that recruited participants from 67 cities and was intent on creating havoc.

According to the document:
• The RNC Welcoming Committee held two “pReNC” gatherings, one from Aug. 31 through Sept. 1, 2007, and another on May 3. At the first, 150 to 200 people — including one of the informants — talked about tactics to “shut down the RNC.” At the second, St. Paul was divided into seven sectors for various anarchist groups to claim.
• The affidavit also talked about an “action camp” held July 31 to Aug. 3 at Lake Geneva, Minn.
• “An individual by the name of ‘Henry’ told the action camp group that he was throwing a liquid-filled balloon and that members of the group should stay away from the area … because it would be very dangerous,” the document said. “Henry stated the balloon was filled with a chemical that would be very dangerous and if caught, he would go to jail for a long time.”
• Another person talked about using large puppets to conceal and transport Molotov cocktails, bricks, caltrops (devices used to stop buses and other vehicles), shields and lockboxes, the affidavit said. They also planned to throw marbles under the horses of the mounted patrol to trip the horses.
• Participants did role playing and attended demonstrations on how to use a large barrel filled with concrete and steel pipes to help protesters block streets.
The affidavit also said that group e-mails from the Welcoming Committee talked about leaving abandoned or overturned vehicles at intersections, pulling a single officer from a police line and beating him, using liquid sprayers filled with urine or chemicals, “unarresting” techniques to free people arrested by police, obtaining fake credentials and dozens of other tactics.
The sheriff’s investigation culminated in raids of the RNC Welcoming Committee’s “Convergence Center” in St. Paul, and homes in Minneapolis.
A total of seven people were arrested in connection with the raids. Six are being held in the Ramsey County jail, a seventh has been released pending further investigation.
On Tuesday, District Judge Kathleen Gearin denied an emergency motion brought by eight plaintiffs — including at least one of those arrested — to have some of the items seized by police returned to them.
“Who should we return the urine to?” Gearin asked.
In addition to buckets of urine, investigators seized homemade devices used to disable buses and other vehicles, weapons, gas masks, flammable liquids and rags that could be used to make Molotov cocktails, computer storage devices, documents, pamphlets and banners. Some materials, such as banners and signs, were returned Monday for demonstrators to use during the protest marches. Albert Goins Sr., attorney for the plaintiffs, said they are likely to file an emergency appeal to get the rest of it back.

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By Fahrenheit 451, September 3, 2008 at 5:14 am Link to this comment

Our constitution is not republican or democrat, it’s American!  Judging from the posts here and elsewhere; it is apparent why this country will go down.  We are no longer a unified country able to recognize differences but still able to unify under the banner of our constitution and the rights guaranteed therein.  Apparently, all we see is left and right.  “We” no longer care about the greater good; only our petty, selfish, greedy, and self interested concerns.  A house divided against itself will fall.  Bye, bye American pie…........

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By Outraged, September 3, 2008 at 1:54 am Link to this comment

The latest video interview of Amy Goodman at the RNC by “Real News Network”.

http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=2216

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By Outraged, September 2, 2008 at 11:33 pm Link to this comment

Re: rowman

In addition, what about officers who don’t engage in these types of illegalities.  How are these RENEGADES endangering their lives.  I’ve watched many videos and have heard this side also.

Who speaks for them..? These crooks with a badge..?  Doesn’t this put honest cops between a rock and a hard place?  Where are the superiors of those who engage in this?  Why are they not speaking up?  These officers are in the employ of THE PEOPLE, not of the elites, nor of politicians.

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By Outraged, September 2, 2008 at 10:18 pm Link to this comment

Re: rowman

I think that that is terrible also.  Why can’t we have the truth.  These journalists were BREAKING NO LAWS, it is their JOB to cover breaking news.  Here’s another one:

“ST. PAUL—Donna Brazile was hit by pepper spray as she walked to the Xcel Center at the start of the Republican Convention here.”

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/01/donna_brazile_hit_by_pepper_sp.html

Another story of the ILLEGAL harrassement and intimidation of reporters in The Cities.

http://qik.com/video/249562

Also a portion of Glenn Greenwald’s article cites your premise and carries the same link:

“There is clearly an intent on the part of law enforcement authorities here to engage in extreme and highly intimidating raids against those who are planning to protest the Convention. The DNC in Denver was the site of several quite ugly incidents where law enforcement acted on behalf of Democratic Party officials and the corporate elite that funded the Convention to keep the media and protesters from doing anything remotely off-script. But the massive and plainly excessive preemptive police raids in Minnesota are of a different order altogether. Targeting people with automatic-weapons-carrying SWAT teams and mass raids in their homes, who are suspected of nothing more than planning dissident political protests at a political convention and who have engaged in no illegal activity whatsoever, is about as redolent of the worst tactics of a police state as can be imagined.”

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2008/08/31

This is the link I intended to link to earlier but had mistakenly forgot to put “the” in it’s address.  Scroll to the bottom of the page and there is a wealth of video of police illegalities.

http://theuptake.org/

The one I especially liked is entitled “Police are Acting Like Nazis”.  This illuminates the fact that these are NOT THE CRIMINAL elements we are led to believe they are, as do MOST of these videos.  Disgraceful.

There were also these on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHpDQpZ_NAI&feature=related

Was this really needed, or was it to further intimidate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HHhqQYy-Q8

What about this man, in this one WHERE’S THE “RIOT”...?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxJvKmzwhb4&feature=related

In addition, it seems MSM doesn’t find these things important enough to cover.  At least not on the two major networks, I watched tonight.

There were blantant illegalities going on here.  The videos show this, AND yes, I agree, some of these things went on at the DNC in Denver, I’ve watched quite a few of those videos too.  But nothing to the degree of confiscating and terrorizing those PLANNING to protest.

It has now become clear that this was done by federal agents.  This is alarming.

As the police attacks on protesters in Minnesota continue—see this video of the police swarming a bus transporting members of Earth Justice, seizing the bus and leaving the group members stranded on the side of the highway—it appears increasingly clear that it is the Federal Government that is directing this intimidation campaign. Minnesota Public Radio reported yesterday that “the searches were led by the Ramsey County Sheriff’s office. Deputies coordinated searches with the Minneapolis and St. Paul police departments and the Federal Bureau of Investigation.”

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2008/09/01-5

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By Anarcissie, September 2, 2008 at 8:07 pm Link to this comment

rowman: ’... If you had that suck job, I am sure you would have taken the same action. ...’

Don’t forget that the action began with breaking down the doors of peaceful, innocent people at 3 a.m. and stealing their stuff in order to intimidate or provoke them.  I would not have that suck job, because I would refuse to take it.

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By hetzer, September 2, 2008 at 7:43 pm Link to this comment

I think this country has had to endure enough of that.  People are secretive because they are planning some sort of manipulation or con.  I like a reporter with guts and smarts.

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By rowman, September 2, 2008 at 7:21 pm Link to this comment

Outraged,

Riots were breaking out and crowd control was in effect.  Some reporters were temporarily detained but what do you expect when they are dealing with such a volatile situation? Ask everyone for press credentials – are you serious? Their first concern is safety. If you had that suck job, I am sure you would have taken the same action.

I do not agree that it was her position to interfere and question anyone in the middle of a mêlée. She is not their legal counsel and even if she was, that was not the time or place to try and resolve the situation. She acted irresponsibly.

An ABC reporter was detained during the DNC convention for filming a secret meeting of mega donors. That was egregious activity but none of you were upset about that were you. You want to defend a reporter that lacks self control who instigated a confrontation with riot police. Way to go.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Conventions/story?id=5668622

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By hetzer, September 2, 2008 at 5:25 pm Link to this comment

The perpetual endless virginity of the left never stops amazing me.  We have been in a state of war with the right since the 2000 election.  Yet a simple stir- em-up tactic works like a charm.  I wish the left would stop fearing war so much, so that they could learn some of its simplest cons.  Now the left is concerned about civil rights when they should be launching attacks on the basis of crooks and the crooked war.

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By jackpine savage, September 2, 2008 at 5:24 pm Link to this comment

My country tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee i sing…

I am so tired of hearing of all the non-freedom loving places that we intend to set to rights while shit like this happens right here at home.

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By YIKES, September 2, 2008 at 5:14 pm Link to this comment

I can not change what happened.  But I can make changes.  As of today I and my company will no longer buy anything that is made or passes through the state of minnesota. sic.

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By KDelphi, September 2, 2008 at 3:59 pm Link to this comment

I was speaaking of the thug in here—if you give people “nothing to lose”, there will be a violent backlash, sooner or later. In the uS—later, because, despite the economy, most people are still pretty comfortable.But at the rate CEOs are getting paid, the corp shipping everything overseas, more and more peoplewithout health care—the time wil come when people will no longer just eat cake!@The sooner the better for me! I’m not missing the Revolution, if it comes, even if I die there. At the rate this country is going, the poor are all goin g to die, anyway.

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By samosamo, September 2, 2008 at 3:51 pm Link to this comment

By KDelphi, September 2 at 2:33 pm

***until they hear the guillotine***

Read Naomi Klein’s ‘The Shock Doctrine’ and after the 1st chapter some may think the guillotine the better choice. What has the potential for coming down the pike is a lot lot worse than a quick death, if they catch you. My plan is to never ever go to one of or any of those blowhard long winded love fests put on by the dems or repubs, there are a lot better things to do in life.

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By KDelphi, September 2, 2008 at 3:33 pm Link to this comment

I’m upset too. It’s hard to give up on convincing someon of hte obvious truth, especially when they have no feelings for anyone that is not in authrotiy. But, some people just never get it—until they hear the guillotine!!

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By Ed Harges, September 2, 2008 at 3:29 pm Link to this comment

To all: I’m too angry and upset and sad about what is happening to this country to post any more here for a while. I’m really distraught with grief and disbelief. I’m taking a long break. See y’all later. Regards.

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By KDelphi, September 2, 2008 at 3:20 pm Link to this comment

There were ALL KINDS of “little white ladies” (I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you meant “little white haired ladies”)at the protest! Most of them were NOT screaming “Obama!” and wer in Denver also. If you are arguing against the right to protest, you have a long road ahead of you against the sharpest minds inthe cuntry. As far as spelling—wtf cares?! Not only that, some of us have physical prob. thaat cause our typing to be off—you probaly hate disabled people, too, you hateful old basterd. If people like you keep this crap up, it is only a matter of time before you end up like other counttries that squandered their resources and let their masses starve. I hope they catch you right onthe front lines!

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By samosamo, September 2, 2008 at 3:20 pm Link to this comment

Most likely another republican trick to make it appear that they have been violated. I wonder how many of the demonstrators were paid neocon operatives?
And somebody help here, with the press reporting about 300 arrests at the RNC, how many were there at the DNC.
A thing that bothers me is the seemingly pleasure these police take in roughing up people that are obviously not committing crimes of any kind and no threat to anybody(at least anybody that has nothing to hide). Or, why aren’t the police capable of questioning the authority of the orders given them?
Truely Orwellian.

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By Outraged, September 2, 2008 at 3:01 pm Link to this comment

Re: rowman

She was asking to speak to a supervisor about her crew members which had been ILLEGALLY detained.  She has EVERY right to do that, EXCEPT of course in a police state.  Convienient how her floor pass at the convention was then immediately revoked by the Secret Service.  This situation SMELLS of a set-up.

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By rowman, September 2, 2008 at 2:40 pm Link to this comment

Coming from a man that can’t spell, I’ll take that as a compliment but I have my days too.

Here is the irony.

Those riots caused more harm to the democrats than anything else I have seen lately. They are flying around the conservative email chains scaring the hell out of little old white ladies and everyone in their sphere of influence.  The videos of chaos are being circulating under the banner of “change” with stupid kids wearing masks calling for destruction intermingled with cultish crowd chants of “Obama”, “Obama”, “Obama”.

I would think that those of you who consider yourself, reasonable, responsible, educated, peace loving Americans would be against such behavior and would want to separate yourself from this non sense.

The opposite is true. You want to defend it and associate yourself with an individual that contributed to it.

Who’s credibility is lost?

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By Ed Harges, September 2, 2008 at 2:22 pm Link to this comment

re: By rowman, September 2 at 1:16 pm:

Rowman, you have no credibility whatyoever.

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By rowman, September 2, 2008 at 2:16 pm Link to this comment

Our freedoms were stripped of us long ago by an overzealous supreme court. It all comes down to laws these days and I am probably more disgusted with it than you and if you didn’t see my “tongue in cheek”, too bad.

When the federal government imposes its will on a State, that is wrong. When a small local government puts my neighbor in jail for not paying a fine because he put his trash out to early, that is wrong.

We can all make a list of totally f-uped laws that we would like to see abolished that would return this country once again to the Freedom it was meant to be. It does not give Amy Goodman a free pass to incite a situation that was already volatile.

Consider the officers that were forced to work that day. She gave no consideration to them or the risky situation they were in. One of the officers was already attacked and their guard was way up. To you he may be just another government crony that is conspiring against you. In reality, he is just some guy trying to feed his family who happens to have a suck job of trying to keep order while a bunch of ignorant kids run around the city trying to create chaos for the sake of it. 

It’s a total bullshit story. No one infringed on Amy’s rights. She willingly put herself in this situation.

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By KDelphi, September 2, 2008 at 2:12 pm Link to this comment

Umm…a “liberal FBI”?? LOL..just trying to imagine what tht would look like, Hehe

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By Big B, September 2, 2008 at 2:10 pm Link to this comment

Rowman,

Sounds to me like you need to put on your hardhat, grab a ballbat, and go kick some hippie ass!

But while your beating the shit out of some stoner kid in a tie dye shirt, keep in mind, the roles could be reversed. Your door could be kicked in tommorrow by some group of jack-booted thugs, who unplug your computer and kick your dog all because you posted something on the net that the new liberal FBI didn’t like. Then they’ll force you to take a bong hit and renounce the NRA. Then you will have to roll up a page of the bible, snort some coke, and wear a condom next time you have sex!

“Establishment, Establishment,
you always know what’s best!”
(I stole that from Stewie on Family guy, but you godless liberal stoners out there already knew that)

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By Ed Harges, September 2, 2008 at 2:09 pm Link to this comment

Rowman, says we are “a country of laws not of freedoms”.

Rowman, we are a country of laws AND freedoms - legally established freedoms.

Our most basic law is the Constitution, and a primary function of that constitution is to guarantee certain freedoms BY LAW. They are quite explicitly called “freedoms” in the document.

You make an utterly dishonest distinction when you try to say that since we’re a country of laws, we’re not a country of freedoms.

You are a lying authoritarian thug. And if you don’t understand how obvious your phoniness is, you’re not very bright, either.

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By KDelphi, September 2, 2008 at 2:02 pm Link to this comment

When the “laws”, never followed by the political classes, subvert the needs of the people—how long are we obligated to obey them? When the politicl class subverts adn changew the law at will—and refuses to convict murderers, war mongers, liars and thieves—I have trouble feeling really bad for the police strate wghen someone “edges around the law, to preserve som eof my freedoms.

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By rowman, September 2, 2008 at 1:48 pm Link to this comment

They did not go looking for Amy Goodman. She went looking for them, caused a confrontation and disobeyed their orders. Press credentials do not give you a right to violate the law and there are a number of court decisions to back it up.

If you are ignorant enough to confront crowd control during a mêlée and disregard their orders to disperse, you get what you get. It’s that simple. They were dealing with a volatile situation and she was only trying to make it worse. She was in the wrong and if you fail to realize this, you’re a fool.

She was trying to get arrested (as in other videos of her jumping the fence) and got what she wanted. She demonstrates a total lack of professionalism and disregard for the law that is only attractive to the anarchists of our society. There was absolutely no need for her to confront that situation especially at the time she did.

Trying to frame this as some violation of the constitution is disingenuous and destroys any credibility you had hoped to establish. You demonstrated your ignorance of the constitution on previous threads so as far as I am concerned, you are out of your league and need to go back to school.

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By thebeerdoctor, September 2, 2008 at 1:44 pm Link to this comment

re: rowman

I gather from the ravings on your post that the police were just attempting to establish order. I am sure that there were provocateurs supplied by black-op divisions of the government, who committed acts of violence in order to justify arresting those engaged in their constitutional right to peacefully protest. But I guess you never thought of that. In 1972, at the Miami Republican National Convention, there were more government agents infiltrated in the protests than there were protesters. Many a radical instigator actually worked for the government. Many times they advocated violence in order to entrap those determined to be undesirable radicals. But I guess you never heard of that either.

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By Big B, September 2, 2008 at 1:32 pm Link to this comment

I agree, Fahrenheit, that Barry has no official power yet, but he is the most powerful democrat in the US right now. He does posess the power to induce change from the “bulley pulpit”, He just chooses to be a pussyfooting moderate instead, playing not to lose, instead of playing to win.
I just wish he would stand up and be counted
(what is that old hippie phrase, if you don’t stand for something, you’ll fall for anything.)

And rowman,

you bring up an interesting point in using the phrase “this is a country of laws, not freedom.”
I wonder how many how many leaders have used a phrase akin to that in the past during a time of national emergency, or just during a protest they didn’t like. Facism, by any other name.
Besides, those people are mearly following the US militarys example of how to deal with people you disagree with(by those people, I mean protestors and police) you beat the shit out of them until they stop protesting.
George Bush would be proud! (as would Putin, Chavez, Kim jong il, ect)
Remember folks, if freedom of speech is taken away, you midas well wipe you ass with the Constitution, ‘cause that’s all it will be good for.

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By ScottyAnn, September 2, 2008 at 1:03 pm Link to this comment
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The St.Paul police said,“These are not our guys”, when questioned during the Democracy Now reporters incarceration. Then what I would like to know, whose guys are they… this shadow army? Should the United States population be very wary of these Storm Troopers? Are we entitled to know who is usurping the rights of Americans, and stomping on the Constitution with their BIG BLACK BOOTS?

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By Ed Harges, September 2, 2008 at 12:56 pm Link to this comment

Rowman, you are no American. If you don’t understand why this arrest was totally contrary to the letter and spirit of the Constitution and everything that makes America a free republic, you are vile and despicable. No creature of hell ever vomited up or shat out anything so foul as you.

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By yellowbird2525, September 2, 2008 at 12:34 pm Link to this comment

rowman: you said: this is a nation of laws: THEN WHY ARE THE LAWMAKERS OF THIS NATION IGNORING THE LAWS? When the LAWMAKERS are the LAWBREAKERS: breaking oaths of office, from Pres on down the line: Congress isn’t even abiding by laws of Congress half the time; they ALL are wanted on War Crimes yet refuse to SUBMIT to the INTERNATIONAL COURT of LAW? So: WHERE did you COME by this? that we are a nation of LAW? from the SAME folks who TOLD you that there were WMD in Iraq? That HUSSAIN was the one who hit the twin towers? THAT they are hunting for Bin Laden? That “afghanistan” is so happy & well; & the women no longer abused what 3 weeks before over 100 US citizens were killed there? WHERE are you THINKING the LAWS ARE? Oh, THATS right; politicians can NEVER be charged with anything just like in the USA we’ve gotten away with it for years folks! Isn’t it TIME you open your mind & ears & eyes to REALITY?

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By rowman, September 2, 2008 at 12:20 pm Link to this comment

By Outraged, September 2 at 10:51 am #
“This was a direct attempt to stiffle the press.”

Bullshit. She was being confrontational, disruptive and was arrested. Your link points to a very telling video of what the police were dealing with just prior. http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-73510

it is probably more accurate to say that she picked the right time, place and people to argue with to get what she wanted. A story.

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By Outraged, September 2, 2008 at 11:51 am Link to this comment

This was a direct attempt to stiffle the press.  There is footage of a short interview with Amy Goodman after she was released, at Salon.com as well as other information regarding the situation in The cities.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/09/01/protests/index.html# (scroll down to Update VII)

There is a link to “The Uptake” site at Salon, which also has several videos available.

The Uptake: http://www.uptake.org

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By rowman, September 2, 2008 at 11:47 am Link to this comment

Re: Robert, September 2 at 7:46 am #

Unlawfully arrested like hell. The video says it all.

If you’re stupid enough to confront police while they are trying to manage an unruly crowd, you are asking for trouble. She received what she asked for.

Democracy Now is now doing what they do best. Pushing propaganda and trying to spin this as though they were “innocent” victims. They are nothing more than a propaganda factory who loves to embellish fact and distort the truth.

This incident is further proof.

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By rowman, September 2, 2008 at 11:36 am Link to this comment

Did I get this right?

This particular group of protesters was trying to cause a riot, damaging property and in general, acting like a bunch of hoodlums.

The police were trying to bring this under control doing what they do. They were giving clear instructions; Amy’s crew was in the wrong place at the wrong time. No one knows if they were contributing to the mayhem or if they were in fact presenting themselves as bystanders with press credentials.

Amy arrives during the melee and actually thinks it is the right time to argue for her crew’s release. She is told to stop and disperse. Not to cross the line or interfere. 

The order was clear, she displayed a blatant disregard for the situation and she was arrested. What is the surprise? How can you possibly frame this as a violation of free speech?


This is a country of laws, not freedom. If you violate a law or a direct command from the law enforcers, you go to jail. Welcome to America.

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By Reubenesque, September 2, 2008 at 11:24 am Link to this comment

When we are afraid of our government; when we don’t know if our vote got counted or not; when we don’t know if our communications are being intercepted; when we cannot gather peaceably to express our opinions we are living a lie.  The whole world knows except 2/3 of the “derelictorate” in the U.S.  If this is not a word it very well should be!

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By charles h Smith, September 2, 2008 at 10:39 am Link to this comment
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That woman stated that the republicans started all the wars. She had better get her facts strait!
FDR got us into WWII by supplying Briton with all the
material for war.
HS Truman got us into my war [Korea} where 52000 GIs
died in 2 years.
JFK got us into Vietnam.
All were democrats!!

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By Anarcissie, September 2, 2008 at 9:40 am Link to this comment

I think the really interesting thing about the police violence in St. Paul is not that it took place—that sort of thing is actually pretty common—but that the MSM carefully avoided mentioning it until they could lead with alleged protester violence and the police interpretation of the story, mentioning the preceding Soviet-style intimidation raids far down in the story, if at all.  In other words, the story, in spite of being fairly juicy, is being played very dryly and strictly from an authoritarian viewpoint.

I would bet nine-tenths of MSM personnel know Pastor Niemoeller’s famous little story, and yet they think the police will never come for them.  Well, maybe they won’t, if they’re obedient enough….

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By thebeerdoctor, September 2, 2008 at 9:26 am Link to this comment

re: hetzer

To say that Amy Goodman is a proponent of Israeli policy, or that she “buries” stories about their atrocities, is preposterous.

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By Fahrenheit 451, September 2, 2008 at 9:05 am Link to this comment

@ Big B,
Did you have one too many tonight?  Normally you make sense, but tonight I just don’t understand.  “Barry” does not have any real power…yet.  Only influence…used carefully.  Take a nap, you’ll feel better, for sure.
Peace

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By Big B, September 2, 2008 at 9:00 am Link to this comment

I have been a “democracy Now” viewer for years, and have at times found her to be a little heavy handed with her critique of Israel, especially during the Rachael Corry incident, and the invasion of lebanon.
Heavy handed, but still fair.

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By theodore, September 2, 2008 at 8:51 am Link to this comment
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well, for those of you who think America is becoming totalitarian, I wonder why?? I’m reading other news posts on msnbc, cnn, and fox, all showing that aside from the “peaceful protests” (which remind me of the hippies of the 60’s and 70’s), there were hundreds of people committing acts of public vandalism and violence against officers and delegates. obviously, Minnesota has to call in the national guard.

I don’t care if disagree with Bush’s policies and the war in iraq. You have every right to think so. however, in america, we do NOT go around destroying public property and attacking law enforcement just because we disagree. whether or not these people are guilty or not, or in the press or not, you don’t go with violent protesters just for the sake of “free press”. Use common sense, people! Police won’t care if you’re with the “press or not”. If you are seen with anarchists, you are assumed to be one. Anyone can yell “I’m with the press.”

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By Big B, September 2, 2008 at 8:51 am Link to this comment

As a liberal, I keep waiting for Barry to do something, say something, that will make me and other liberals get excited about him, support him, vote for him.
I (we) are still waiting.
He has had opportunity after golden opportunity to put this race out of reach, yet he sits above the fray, looking down on us, pitying us, consoling us, but not leading us.
The people were silenced at the dimmo convention. Only the connected, the voices of the cheerleaders, were permitted to be heard as they blathered their empty platitudes thru their megaphones in support of the man who would king. Then Barry, ignorant or uncaring of the people jailed just down the street, gave his benediction before a throng of 80 thousand adoring sheeple waiting for him to deliver the word. “Drink of the Kool-Aid, and please try to ignore the man behind the curtain.”
He has, yet again, been given a golden opportunity to prove his meddle, to earn our respect. Why is Barry not in Minneapolis right now, calling for the release of the unjustly imprisoned? Can you think of a bigger issue in this, or any, election year than the freedom of speech? When the voices of the masses are silenced, freedom will finally be dead. It’s in a coma right now, and the DNC and RNC are about to pull the plug.
Barry has the power to change the direction of this nation. We know Mccain won’t. We know Nader can’t.
We need to ask ourselves on this election day, are we to choose a leader for our future, or our own executioner?
Does it really matter whether it’s a donkey or an elephant holding the ax?

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By Robert, September 2, 2008 at 8:46 am Link to this comment

URGENT ACTION ALERT

For the latest see: http://twincities.indymedia.org/

Amy Goodman and Two Democracy Now! Producers Unlawfully Arrested At the RNC

09.01.2008 | Democracy NOW!: Video

Democracy Now’s Amy Goodman, Sharif Abdel Kouddous and Nicole Salazar were arrested by the Minneapolis Police Department. Charged with conspiracy to riot. Footage from Rick Rowley and Brandon Jourdan.


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

http://www.democracynow.org

Contact:
Denis Moynihan 917-549-5000
Mike Burke 646-552-5107, .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

ST. PAUL, MN—Democracy Now! host Amy Goodman was unlawfully arrested in downtown St. Paul, Minnesota at approximately 5 p.m. local time. Police violently manhandled Goodman, yanking her arm, as they arrested her. Video of her arrest can be seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYjyvkR0bGQ

Goodman was arrested while attempting to free two Democracy Now! producers who were being unlawfully detained. They are Sharif Abdel Kouddous and Nicole Salazar. Kouddous and Salazar were arrested while they carried out their journalistic duties in covering street demonstrations at the Republican National Convention. Goodman’s crime appears to have been defending her colleagues and the freedom of the press.

Ramsey County Sheriff Bob Fletcher told Democracy Now! that Kouddous and Salazar were being arrested on suspicion of rioting. They are currently being held at the Ramsey County jail in St. Paul.

Democracy Now! is calling on all journalists and concerned citizens to call the office of Mayor Chris Coleman and the Ramsey County Jail and demand the immediate release of Goodman, Kouddous and Salazar. These calls can be directed to: Chris Rider from Mayor Coleman’s office at 651-266-8535 and the Ramsey County Jail at 651-266-9350 (press extension 0).


http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=11&ar=1995

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By Fahrenheit 451, September 2, 2008 at 8:41 am Link to this comment

@ hetzer, September 2 at 7:34 am #

So, give some examples to back up your implications.  I know a little of Goodman’s history; and it’s pretty impressive!

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By TheEnd, September 2, 2008 at 8:36 am Link to this comment
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Republicans: evil to the last drop.  I might also add that if McCain had a brain he’d personally denounce this action eliminate whatever charges are still held against Amy and her crew.  Sadly, I fear this kind of behavior is indicative of what we’ll see more and more with John McCain in the oval office.  So many think the election is all wrapped up and we’re about to go on vacation from the past eight years.  I don’t think so.  Keep fighting, Amy. - TheEnd

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By hetzer, September 2, 2008 at 8:34 am Link to this comment

It is possible to admire and feel some admiration for someone even though they are dishonest.

Amy buries Israel and 911 stories.  I don’t think she is a rabid Zionist, but she does cover Jewish ass, so to speak.

I particularly don’t like the moralizing and princess in the tower stuff.  One bogus Mother Theresa is enough.  (Moralizing is a con game played by people with bogus moral advantage over others.  It is paralyzing and makes people serve two masters.)

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By Pause to Think, September 2, 2008 at 8:28 am Link to this comment
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Why is it that the left so violently protests opinions not their own?  Where were the violently protests during the Colorado convention?

The left under claims of freedom of speech push the aberrant ideas down other peoples throat—gay marriage, abortion, denouncing the military, to name a few.  But when right (conservative) speakers assemble to share their thoughts and ideas, the intolerant LEFT needs to shout them down (examples abound)—it’s the mob rules.

Hardly in support of free speech don’t you think?

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By Lou, September 2, 2008 at 8:16 am Link to this comment
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Local police recieved a $50 million grant from the federal government for security. That’s pretty expensive for security at a political convention.

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By nrobi, September 2, 2008 at 7:46 am Link to this comment

Not only is this the most outrageous violation of civil rights, but to forcefully arrest a member of the press for “felony rioting,” is just the start of a new and prolonged assault against the people of the US.
We are now, (not becoming) an authoritarian state that uses oppression and repression against those who speak out against the government and this administration chides those countries that do the same?
Amerikkka, is now the name of this country. We are no longer a representative republic, long ago, we became a police state that uses tactics that are known in the Middle East, China and Russia, to suppress the voice of the people and make light of the fact that the founding fathers of our country fought against the same type of oppression and won.
If history is to teach us anything, it is that now is the time for a people’s revolution, we need to rise up and stand for the values of freedom and freedom of the press.
But the question remains, will the people, who are safe and sound in their cozy little worlds, notice and rise up against a totalitarian regime that enforces its own rules at the cost of the people’s freedom?  One would think that Americans would.
But we are now so cossetted by the safety of our economy, which is falling apart because of the avarice of the ruling elite.
Someone, somewhere, must start the ball rolling, but now if you do not already know, thanks to Rep. Jane Harman, Rep. Cal., we have a bill already passed in the House, by a vote of 404-6, called the Homegrown Terrorist and Violent Acts, bill which criminalizes the “logic of force,” to change people’s minds.
Please go the the website of the House of Representatives and look up H.R. 1955 and be prepared to be scared.
What you saw, in the tape of Amy Goodman being arrested, was only the beginning of the end of America as we know it and the beginning of the new Amerikkka, which if you do not already have any idea is the worst offender in the world of totalitarian regimes known to mankind.

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By Daniel, September 2, 2008 at 7:18 am Link to this comment
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It just goes to show you that be forfeited our first Amendment rights to have the freedom of speech when we elect Republicans. The Democrats will own the Whitehouse for 24 years because of what George W. Bush has done to this country, and how he polarized it with his belligerent Redneckism.

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By thebeerdoctor, September 2, 2008 at 7:02 am Link to this comment

“There’s no need for argument
There’s no argument at all
And if you never hear from him
That just means he didn’t call
Or vice versa
That depends on where ever you’re at
And if you never hear from me
That just means I would rather not”
VAN MORRISON, Domino

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By M, September 2, 2008 at 6:55 am Link to this comment
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I sincerely hope that Obama only said he doesn’t endorse Rev. Wright’s philosophy for political expediency. I am a native born white of Scandinavian heritage and am also ashamed of the US for what we have become. We are less free than any Muslim living in a dictatorship. Our fellow citizens are too blinded by greed and self-righteousness to see the trees for the forest. I agree that it may now be too late to resolve anything by peaceful means. This performance in St. Paul is only a preview of the first act. Hold on to your seats, as I am afraid the remainder of the ride will be very bumpy and life threatening.

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By Fahrenheit 451, September 2, 2008 at 5:09 am Link to this comment

“They” encroach, like a slow moving cancer, little by little.  Every so often “they” shock us and we react with outrage; which soon dies a slow death, because we have our comfortable lives and responsibilities.  Things return to “normal”, but what is normal; the definition keeps changing, but it’s little by little so we don’t notice too much and go once again back to our mundane lives to survive for another week, month, year?  And on and on and on it goes.  We could’ve stopped it; but we didn’t and now we can’t.

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By jackpine savage, September 2, 2008 at 5:06 am Link to this comment

Prove you are a democracy, USA.

What, just saying it over and over again does not make it true?

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By troublesum, September 2, 2008 at 4:38 am Link to this comment

We are the enemy now, not the terrorists.  These are the first scenes of the coming police state.  It doesn’t matter which party wins the election.

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By Fahrenheit 451, September 2, 2008 at 2:25 am Link to this comment

Every time I hear Bush rant about Russia suppressing their press I want to puke.  Every time I hear bush beating up the rest of the world with the term “democracy” he dishonors it and tramples in the mud of totalitarianism.  The U.S. has lost all of any “high” ground it ever may have claimed.  Shame on it’s citizens for letting it come to this.

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