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Former Reagan Official: White House Sanctioned Georgia-Russia Conflict

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Posted on Aug 15, 2008
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Paul Craig Roberts, who was assistant secretary of the treasury during Ronald Reagan’s presidency, sees the Georgia-Russia conflict differently than the Bush administration does: “Americans themselves have nothing to gain,” Roberts said Friday; “What is operating is the dangerous ideology of the American neoconservatives whose goal is to assert American hegemony over the entire world.”

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By Eric L. Prentis, August 19, 2008 at 9:24 am Link to this comment
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President Bush instigated a major military crisis in Georgia by green-lighting their preemptive shelling of independent South Ossetia, subsequently, the Russians intervened to stop the killing of innocent Georgian civilians and ethnic cleansing. Russia first asked the UN Security Council to stop Georgia’s bombing but President Bush blocked the ceasefire resolution causing Russia to have to invade. Now that Bush’s Machiavellian strategy has come a cropper, all that Presidents Bush and Saakashvili can do is whine, aided and abetted by western/corporate media propaganda.

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By samosamo, August 16, 2008 at 8:45 pm Link to this comment

By cyrena, August 16 at 12:05 pm

****• “..We must invade and destroy them from the inside out- exactly the way they did in the ‘80’s- ‘Moral majority” and the ‘DLC’ cons.” ****

Every way to eliminate the neocons will in the least be extremely difficult. And to show what I mean here is a link to a list of izraeli neocons:
http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/FromOthers/list-of-neocons-for-Iraq-war.htm
And another link from the Christian Science Monitor:
http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/index.html

But back to ‘invading and destroying them’ where there is no one approach that would work. I am sure it would take:

1. infiltration,

2. changing congress and the white house, re-instate constitutional oversight and investigation.

3. remove the 4 remaining supreme court justices for their illegal appointment or should I say stopping the recount to appoint w as president,

4. enact laws, homeland security laws, to define such people and their institutions as part of the threat to the security of the United States,

5. replace high ranking military personal under whose command illegal actions have occured and creating a total transparency of spending as provided by the constitution and put civlian control back in force. (Basically fire all generals that have done more to contribute to the ruinous acts of our military.)

6. And MOST important, totally tear apart the monopolistic control of the media(tv, radio, newspapers, magazines), break up the hold of all broad band wavelengths and put them back in the publics name. Shoot rupert murdoch on sight,

7. Make the internet an open and free access tool for the use of the people,

8. Summed up: ‘The right for the public to be informed will not be infringed’,

9. Regulate corporations and lobbyists.

Simple huh? But actually no, not at all.
That would be the government part of gaining control and the beginning of totally crushing these neocon think tanks. Getting everyone on the same page is very important because this will have to be taken in steps and the above list is not the steps but I guess some could be used as such.
For the civilian/public part trying to get the people informed is major but keeping them informed is very major major. For help here, I suggest the book ‘Waging Peace’ by S. Ritter. It is the closest to a workable plan as I have ever seen and entails the idea of attacking an ideology that has been fermenting since as far back as the nixon era and probably began with the bilderber group’s first meeting back in the 40s or 50s. I have just ordered the supposed definitive book on this group to date so I am still leaning about ‘origins’ still.
Last but not least:
And another on Taking on the Neocon think tanks:
http://www.opednews.com/kall1103_Progressive_think_tank_Prospectus.htm

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By cyrena, August 16, 2008 at 7:19 pm Link to this comment

By yellowbird2525, August 16 at 5:31 pm

“…the 1st part of putting an END to this is to have everyone go & stop paying taxes; putting exempt on their ww2 forms: a democracy is by the will of the people: and Hillary Clinton mentioned it while on her sojourn in Puerto Rico;..”

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Not that this has anything to do with the neocon White House instigation of the Georgia-Russia conflict, but….

Are you aware of the reality of EVERYONE putting ‘exempt’ on their W2 forms, or otherwise failing to pay taxes? It’s ridiculous. Ask Snipes to explain it from wherever he might be, since I suspect his prison sentence has either already begun, or will soon. The best way to avoid paying taxes now would be to join in with the rest of the criminals, and set oneself up as a corporation. The bigger your corporation is, and the more profit you collect, the less taxes you’ll have to pay.

As for Hillary mentioning this in Puerto Rico, did she mention it anywhere else? And are you aware that the tax laws are completely different in PR, because Puerto Rico is not a ‘state’ but a ‘territory’? That’s probably why they aren’t included in the general election, and have no Congressional representation. In fact, there is a political movement within Puerto Rico that is working for independence. If I was a Puerto Rican, I’d be in it. But, I’m not. Still, I support their efforts.
That’s probably the only connection to this article. The Ossetians want their independence from Georgia as well.

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By yellowbird2525, August 16, 2008 at 6:31 pm Link to this comment

hear hear! and the 1st part of putting an END to this is to have everyone go & stop paying taxes; putting exempt on their ww2 forms: a democracy is by the will of the people: and Hillary Clinton mentioned it while on her sojourn in Puerto Rico; originally all things being paid for by taxes today was to have been paid for by the profits from Big Business; the same folks who owned the large plantantions & had the slaves in the south (wealthy) went & bought & paid for Congress; and now WE are paying Corp taxes; they try & explain “it is the way democracy works: you can do whatever you want to until enough people say no????? really???? thought it was REPRESENTATION of the PEOPLE & what THEY wanted; huh, no wonder all founding fathers said keep your guns cuz of GOVERNMENT! If you support American troops at all, do this for them; these are AMERICANS FOLKS: lets STAND UP for them! (our Gov is NO HELP at all)

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By Fahrenheit 451, August 16, 2008 at 5:37 pm Link to this comment
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@ jackpine savage, August 16 at 8:31 am #

Yes, my point exactly.  Here we go again marching to the brink of the abyss.  Who’d have thought we would ever be there again?  Thank you Georgie Porgie.

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By cyrena, August 16, 2008 at 1:05 pm Link to this comment

I ditto Gmonst Purple Girl, and samosamo as well.

Excellent posts from both of you. And the solution, from Purple Girl, which we can’t seem to say often enough..


•  “..We must invade and destroy them from the inside out- exactly the way they did in the ‘80’s- ‘Moral majority” and the ‘DLC’ cons.”

The operative words here are: FROM THE INSIDE OUT!

Until they can be infiltrated at the places of power, (the INSIDE) there’s little hope.

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By cyrena, August 16, 2008 at 12:57 pm Link to this comment

By troublesum, August 16 at 6:55 am #
On this issue the American political class is taking its lines from Noam Chomsky: “Nobody has a right to attack another soverign nation but us.”
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The danger of the watercooler effect again.

Troublesum, when you suggest this, it could be interpreted as something that Noam Chomsky actually believes himself, since your wording is such that the American political class, (an oxymoron right there) is taking it’s ‘lines’ from Noam Chomsky.

The reality is that Noam Chomsky has written words to this effect, in his own description of the neocons and the radical right whose goal it has been for years, to enforce global hegemony via military force.

In other words, the neocons didn’t ‘take any lines from Chomsky’ and when an ignorant population confuses linguistics, it changes the meaning and context of what the point ever was to begin with, and further spreads the confusion of the rest of the ignorant population.

This may not be at all ‘intentional’ on your part. It’s hard to know that. But it still sets up the possibility for an incorrect perception on the part of anyone who may not be familiar with Chomsky’s work.

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By Gmonst, August 16, 2008 at 11:43 am Link to this comment

excellent post purple girl

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By samosamo, August 16, 2008 at 11:30 am Link to this comment

You know this was going on all the time and now it has taken the russians to point out what a few of us know about the manipulation of our media to control our thoughts. And behind it all and exposed, the neoconservatives better know as neocons. Bringing this group to the international front is good stuff even if most non-americans know it. The problem is how well the conservative owners of the media will keep this hidden still from our public to maintain the stupidity of the masses here.
But the point made by Paul Craig Roberts about the neocons only goes to show where most or all of the crap going on in the world originates from and how it is handled. No doubt casting the true light of the neocons, loaded with izraeli ultra(paranoid) conservatives, as close akin to a group of gangsters or the mafia. And our government are very infected with these crooks.
I don’t see any other way of handling this other than exposing these people as the criminals they are and going all out after them and putting them behind bars for a very long long time. Extreme you may say, well, look at it from their stand point. They plan on doing the same to us.
After all these deacades from their beginnings in the 1970s and the planning, plotting, and scheming on how to take control and power to further their agendas which can be broken down to 1 simple purpose and that is robbery, with a lot of murder, treason and subversion mixed in with it. This would be an extremely revealing investigation exposing these truly evil people whose actions are to control the world and I look at it as these neocons have read Orwell’s ‘1984’ and incorporated the ideas in that book into their modern plans to gain hegemony over the world, basically we are seeing ‘1984’ being executed for their benefit because there are only a very few that are benefiting from all this crap and a lot that are paying dearly for it. This will not just go away because of an election. There needs to be a very concerted effort through legislation, enforcement and prosecution to go after these people and put an end their schemes.

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By GW=MCHammered, August 16, 2008 at 10:32 am Link to this comment
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Bu$hCo turned America into bundled assets. Our federal government now acts as the asset broker. Still wanna invest in their Amurika? I’m proud to divest during Bu$hCo’s reign.

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By Purple Girl, August 16, 2008 at 10:28 am Link to this comment

Of course there is no time to waste to create a situation where our elections may have to be put on hold because of this global Crisis.
Damn they only got a few of their wish accomplished off their dream list..so far no Pre- emptive strike of Iran,so Plan B- head straight for the re ignitement of the Cold War.
“Neo Cons” are not New Nor conservative…they are corporationists who do not pledge any allegience to any country. Their allegience goes directly to what is most profitable and will gain the utmost in global control.Oil has been the most lucrative commodity and thus has been fought for and defended at all costs from nations they use like parasites- until they suck them dry- reason the began moving jobs to third world countries , we cost too much and had far too many regulations which interferred with their prime directives.
these Corporationsit have infiltrated and used various groups to disguise their goals and perpetuate diversional tactics.
“Pro Life” a front for increasing the population, thus flooding the labor market leading to lower costs for that commodity.
“Green washing” began with the ‘quick ‘response of the Oilindustry to agree to using corn as the Only biofuel they would encourage. Who didn’t see the effect it would have on food supplies and costs (also requiring Oil to produce).Now calls for alternatives has the built in ‘told you so’ factor “See what happened when we tried Corn”- never even bothered with switch grass, or solar, or wind energy- it may have actually undermined their Oil and natural gas Profits.
there Are Not only Democrats who get it, but also Republicans. But there are also corporationists who dress up in blue to deceive voters. We must begin to weed them out. but we need help from Republicans who are not Corporationists - We must invade and destroy them from the inside out- exactly the way they did in the ‘80’s- ‘Moral majority” and the ‘DLC’ cons .


OBAMA/HAGEL ‘08

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By Gmonst, August 16, 2008 at 9:57 am Link to this comment

I think it was a pretty astute reading of the situation by Mr. Roberts.  He seems to see the bigger picture of things pretty clearly.

I am personally really worried about what is going on.  Things really have to change.  The people of the world don’t want these things.  Americans, Russians, Georgians, etc. they don’t want war.  A few rich assholes want to rule the world are taking us all down a path of destruction for the benefit of only a few.  Roberts lays it all out pretty clearly about whats going on, and its disgusting and disturbing.  We need leaders who are going to treat war and conflict as the worst possible outcome in any situation. The people in power now are the very embodiment of selfishness, they would see the world ignited in the flames of war just to have bigger numbers in their bank accounts which are already larger than they could ever reasonably spend in a lifetime.  Humanity as a whole (especially the US) needs to reflect on themselves and try to see their own greed.  We don’t want these things, but its really the ability to manipulate our own greed and fear that allows it to happen.  If we don’t wake up it will be the end of us.

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By jackpine savage, August 16, 2008 at 9:35 am Link to this comment

Paul Craig Roberts should be a bigger thorn in the side of the Bush administration that he is.  After all, he’s an actual conservative with Reagan Revolution bonafides.

In one of his recent pieces he makes a point that Reagan/H.W. Bush actually negotiated with the Soviets.  They negotiated an end to the Cold War; they did not “win” the Cold War.  From his insider perspective, he relates how infuriating the negotiations to end rather than win were to the neo-cons.  And he notes that many of said neo-cons were fired as a result.

That’s right, the neo-cons actually hate Reagan because they saw him as weak.  They play up his image for their own, electoral ends.  But if you go back and read their op-eds from the late Reagan administration you’ll see a very different view.

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By jackpine savage, August 16, 2008 at 9:31 am Link to this comment

Re: Farenheit 451,

Russia’s adoption of a preemptive nuclear strike doctrine is indeed chilling.  However, it should be noted that the doctrine is new for Russia.  Throughout the era of the Soviet Union, Russia/the USSR explicitly denounced the first strike doctrine and never adopted it.  The United States, on the other hand, has always held a first strike doctrine.

This is important in relation to the ballistic missile defense shield.  Combined with the USA’s first strike doctrine, the word “defense” becomes a verbal feint.

In fact, the shield was always intended to be an offensive weapon (which is why Gorbachev found it so offensive).  The idea is that a nuclear first strike by the US would incapacitate most of the Soviet/Russian arsenal, but it cannot be expected to destroy all the missiles before the Russian’s punch in their launch codes.  The shield is designed to catch what is left of the Russian arsenal.

It won’t work on a “rogue” missile because it needs to know the launch coordinates either before or at the time of launch to home in.  The chances of the US knowing the launch coordinates of a rogue missile before launch are slim (it wouldn’t be rogue if they did).  It also has no hopes of shooting down every Russian missile (even if it works perfectly).  But it would (again, if it works) be able to stop most of a depleted, retaliatory Russian launch.

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By troublesum, August 16, 2008 at 7:55 am Link to this comment

On this issue the American political class is taking its lines from Noam Chomsky: “Nobody has a right to attack another soverign nation but us.”

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By Fahrenheit 451, August 16, 2008 at 5:19 am Link to this comment
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Well, you probably would like the link, my bad, sorry.

http://www.mnweekly.ru/news/20080124/55305669.html

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By Fahrenheit 451, August 16, 2008 at 4:01 am Link to this comment
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The inmates are truly running the asylum.  Here is a news story about Russia’s adoption of a policy of nuclear pre-emption.  This is from a Russian English language newspaper, The Moscow News.

24/01/2008 | Moscow News,№03 2008
Top Brass Defends Russia’s Right to Preemptive Strike

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By diamond, August 16, 2008 at 12:50 am Link to this comment

God, I’m shocked,SHOCKED, I tell you. The neo cons are evil and reckless, well, hell, who would’ve thought it?

Here’s a view from the other side: posted on Salon
 
  The truth about Ossetia and war crimes
 
  ‘Two brigades about 6,500 soldiers (infantry and tanks) with American trainers, and with support of ground missles and artillery started the attack on Tskhinvally. Later in the morning, the air strikes added to this. All of them had an order to “clean out the separatists from the region by the evening of 08/08 Friday latest”. What I think, it was a plan to finish it during the Olympics opening, so that the next morning they could report a “victory over separatists in one day”, and none of the media would be interested in how it was done, as most of the world was watching the Olympics show in Bejing. I think that was arranged and planned with help of Ms.Rice, who visited Georgia just some weeks ago.
August 8, morning: Half of Tskhinvally ruined, most of buildings are under fire. Nobody evacuated. Bodies of men, women and children are on the streets (I have seen the videos, which no Western channels show) Southern part of the city is under Georgian troops control. 500 russian peacekeepers and not shooting as they possibly have no order from Moscow. Georgians are shooting everyone they see, including peacekeepers and children on the streets. I tried calling my cousin there, but she declined my calls several times, later sent a text: “We can’t speak in the basements, as they throw grenades into the houses and basements once they hear a phone call or talk”. Later, when she came to Vladikavlaz,Russia, she described awful and frightening scenes of Georgian shooting children and women, setting them on fire, raping little girls after killing their mothers etc. It was a true nightmare in real!!! They were also attacked on the way to the Russian border. No wounded could be evacuated that day. I can’t believe that this can happen in the country of Democracy and Freedom which Georgia reports to be…’

Writing this up is a job for Kurt Vonnegut but unfortunately he’s dead.

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By srelf, August 16, 2008 at 12:41 am Link to this comment

Americans have nothing to gain but a lot to lose. This trajectory to a re-enkindled cold war suits the military-industrial-media complex just fine, but not the average American. It suits a weak candidate like McCain well to. An October Surprise in August. Are people going to ever tire of the bullcrap? This playing of chess with people as pawns? I’d like to march every one of these neocons out onto every battlefield they propose. For that matter, any Democrat as well!

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By Igor, August 16, 2008 at 12:01 am Link to this comment
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Thanks for the truth

PLEASE! WATCH THIS

http://sumlenny.livejournal.com/494974.html

http://www.russiatoday.com/news/news/28951/video

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By basho, August 15, 2008 at 10:18 pm Link to this comment

why does this news not come as a surprise?

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