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Posted on Jul 7, 2008

Barack Obama recently promised to “refine” his withdrawal policy. His detractors called it a flip-flop. Team Obama said revision is different from reneging. The usual lineup of Sunday morning chatterboxes is here to sort things out.

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By Chase, July 9, 2008 at 7:51 am Link to this comment
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Oh my gosh, Fadel; “Obama needs the advice of some sober persons like myself…”—Really?

Why don’t you leave your keys in the wicker backet on the coffee table, I’ll call you a cab. Your high sense of self seems to be “in par with the worst colonialist the world has known.”

“I wish this comment of mine can reach him”—Sounds like bush and cheney, ‘I wish this Democracy of mine can reach the Iraqi people.’

There are answers to this mess the bush administartion had created. Please know there’s not just one answer.

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By montymarket, July 8, 2008 at 3:51 pm Link to this comment
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Obama has it right: the President as commander-in-chief sets the strategic goals, and the generals on the ground implement it tactically.  Of course, Bush/Cheney took cover behind the generals, and fired any of them that disagreed with their plan for an occupation until the ocean of our oil upon which Iraq floats is all pumped out.  Obama should be careful not to fall into the trap that once presidential aspirant George Romney (Mitt’s father) fell into: after he visited Vietnam, he came home and said he was brainwashed on his trip by the generals in their propaganda presentations.  No doubt, the generals in Iraq snow the visitors with facts and figures, but skip the basic premise that the Iraq occupation is a crime against humanity.

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By PatrickHenry, July 8, 2008 at 3:12 pm Link to this comment

Obama needs to get past Nov 5. and then Jan 20, after that he can turn off the pander switch and get to the business of seating a new government

His work is cut out with the many messes Bush and Cheney got us into.  I hope he chooses his cabinet well.

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By rage, July 8, 2008 at 1:26 pm Link to this comment
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“One thing to be noted about his words is that the Iraqi people don’t count. It’s not in his plan to talk to the Iraqis themselves. One wonders how this position is different from Bush’s, whom I heard many times saying that the issue of withdrawal from Iraq is in the hands of the military commanders. The fact that the will of the Iraqi people does not figure at all in Obama’s calculations, makes him the ultimate colonialist, in par with the worst colonialists the world has known!”

How on earth do you get from Obama’s plan to visit Iraq on a fact finding mission to efficasiously and expediently propose a time table for systematically pulling all non-sovereign troops out of Iraq that the Senator is the absolute worst colonialist the world has ever known and no different than Bush43?

“Obama needs the advice of some sober persons like myself and some of the intelligent people who post on Truthdig!”

LMAO!

Okay, okay! Well, Fadel, you just make sure you’re on the tarmac when the Senator arrives to enlighten him in the height of his obvious naivite. After all, these Bush appointed warmongers who are only there to protect the pipeline are never going to talk to some skinny brother with no military background.

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By maryt63nc, July 8, 2008 at 1:09 pm Link to this comment
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The MSM has gone into overdrive yet again distorting what Obama said.  He has not changed his policy towards Irag.  What’s interesting is that al-Malika wants the US to set a timetable to withdraw.  This is the nth time that the Iraqs have stated they want US to leave their country.  But Bush doesn’t want to acknowledge this.  The oil sharing goals have not been achieved.  Remember when Bush called al-Malika to whitehouse and told him to shut up about troop withdrawals.
The height of arrogance is the McBush wants to stay in Iraq forever (100 yrs).  We need to stay focus on the media and how they are an extension of the repubs branch of government.  Let’s ‘not let them get away with it, not this time…’

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By Tony Wicher, July 8, 2008 at 9:36 am Link to this comment

Re Fadel Abdallah, July 7 at 5:06 pm #

“Coming from his own confused mouth, B. Obama is saying that he will go to Iraq to consult with the US military commanders on the ground, and based on that he will make his decision.”
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Fadel,

What I distinctly heard Obama say just a day or two ago is that as President he will set the mission and only listen to his military commanders on matters of tactics to accomplish that mission. He clealy stated that the “new mission” he will give the commanders is to get our troops out of Iraq.  I don’t see that he is in a position to rationally promise anything more detailed and definite at this time, and I would not believe him if he did. Exactly how it is to be done and how long it will take is a matter of tactics and conditions on the ground where he would be a fool not to listen to his commanders and their intelligence. His unwillingness to commit himself to blind pledges seems to me a sign of intelligence and honesty rather than duplicity. We shall have to wait and see what he actually does. He said he would set this new mission “on his first day in office”, so it should not be long before his intentions become clear.

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By Outraged, July 7, 2008 at 9:23 pm Link to this comment

Aren’t these the same folks who were sounding the “shock and awe” CHEER as U.S. missiles landed on the homes and bodies of Iraqi citizens?  What scumbuckets…sleazy, really sleazy how they sit there and feign concern.

Remember who these people REALLY are ... don’t ever forget, might come in handy during their trials in the future.  Weren’t they instrumental in LYING us into this war…?  That’s the way I remember it.

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By Fadel Abdallah, July 7, 2008 at 6:06 pm Link to this comment

Coming from his own confused mouth, B. Obama is saying that he will go to Iraq to consult with the US military commanders on the ground, and based on that he will make his decision.

One thing to be noted about his words is that the Iraqi people don’t count. It’s not in his plan to talk to the Iraqis themselves. One wonders how this position is different from Bush’s, whom I heard many times saying that the issue of withdrawal from Iraq is in the hands of the military commanders. The fact that the will of the Iraqi people does not figure at all in Obama’s calculations, makes him the ultimate colonialist, in par with the worst colonialists the world has known!

And how does Obama, in his naivety, thinks that the military commanders on the ground will give him their sincere honest advice, which if it was given would mean forgoing all the perks and high salaries they are receiving as their share of this money-making enterprise for them personally and for the Pentagon, as a machine of war, power and money-making.

Obama needs the advice of some sober persons like myself and some of the intelligent people who post on Truthdig! I wish this comment of mine can reach him, or at least some of his close advisers! But alas! What kind of democracy is this that makes an aspiring person for the presidency and those around him unreachable even as a candidate, let alone if he really becomes president.

Flip-flopping is a mild way of putting what politicians say; I call this the ultimate ignorance   arrogance, and power intoxication wrapped in one!

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