Indeed.  But the veracity of the article stands ! From the Jerusalem Post or Chicago Tribune the facts are accurate and cannot be denied.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=12141326637 26&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

The article should say “Israel gets another pass”.

http://smokingmirrors.blogspot.com/

Indeed, let’s talk about ’ ethnic cleansing ’  !
Not the falsehoods in Pappe’s book.
...but try this one.
Should be told along with the story of the Pal’s, for sure.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=12141326 63726&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

re: By cyrena, June 23 at 8:45 pm:

Yeah, and what’s also really funny is that, although when Howard writes to us in his real voice he shows himself — as you say — to be a simpleton, he’s very fond of lecturing us about the superior wit of the Master Race.

By Arabian Thoroughbred
This was great about the 2-versions of Howard. You guys are making me laugh a lot this evening. I mean, I can’t help it, because it’s just so apropos. The spontaneous simpleton who keeps repeating himself like a broken record, and the other well edited version that also keeps repeating, but more articulately.

The first is the real Howard, and the other is the plagiarizing cut n’ paste Howard. The plagiarizing version has a tendency to REALLY annoy some posters here, who take that sort of disingenuously corrupt behavior as the epitome of scumbagness.

I pretty much agree. After so long, it’s really difficult to tell if Howard actually believes this shit himself or not.

re: By cyrena, June 22 at 6:11 pm:

Yeah, Cyrena, the fact that Israel’s past peace overtures were phony is a clue.

Another clue is Israel’s intensified belligerence toward Iran that accompanies these olive branches to Syria and Hamas.

I mean, if the Israelis were really having a general change of heart about talking peaceably toward their ‘enemies’, then they would be showing the same willingness to talk to Iran. But no; they are MORE fanatically belligerent toward Iran with each passing day. So it’s obvious: they want relations with Hamas and Syria to be temporarily pacific, and they will return to their old ways as soon as they and the US have “taken care of” — i.e., destroyed — Iran. It’s nauseating.

By Howard, June 23 at 11:02 am #

“Hamas does not want a state along side Israel; their charter calls for the elimination of Israel”.

If Hamas ever leaves their bomb shelters, the Israelis display an even greater hate and malice, killing and subjugating their minorities and
neighbors.

Never fails,

Israel = Howard = Misinformation.

http://www.maannews.net/en/index.php?opr=ShowDetail s&ID=30008

I would like to think someday soon.

Israel = Bad For America = No more US lives or $$$$$$

Hamas does not want a state along side Israel; their charter calls for the elimination of Israel.

Pappe’s book, which I’ve read, is so full of misinformation that it defies imagination.  It was a contentious time in 1948, even more than now,  when the UN and nations decided to satisfy the inhabitants, land for each would be established.  The Arabs said no, no, no,to partition and then, waged a war, and still have not made peace with Israel.  Could have had a land next to the nascent Israel 60 years ago and since then on other opportunities, but they are on an agenda to destroy Israel. At least any leaders they have are.

You mean the ‘ethnic cleansing of Israel’, because the Hamas charter calls for genocide of Israel and its ciizenry.

I’ll just ditto randyha’s recommendation for Ilan Pappe’s “The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine.” All of his work is excellent.

regarding: By moineau, June 23 at 3:40 am:

Exactly right, moineau.

Ever consider that if there is a ‘god’ he does not give a shit about the bricks & mortars left over from millenia ago? and may find it actaully aMortal sin to kill for these ‘Holy’ relics,foresaking all the ‘teachings’ just to control this patch of dirt? What other ‘valuable’commodity lies in Isreal? What benefit has it brought to man -Really?
The original battle beween Cain & Able was a sin Right. So this continued death machine called the ‘Middle East Crisis’ must be no less.Then add the blood thirsty ‘soldiers’ of the power hungry Peter into the mix and you have a world hell bent on possessing the Idolic ‘Holy Land’. It appears all three ‘Relgions’ have missed the Morals of the Stories in their ‘Holy’ books.Of course All three were subjected to editing and embellishments by men who only sought their own fame and Power anyway, so how ‘holy’ can they truely be. Seems to me their efforts only appease the evil which lurks in the heart of men,more then any deity.
But it appears only an Act of God -the obliteration of these Coveted pieces of real estate will be the only thng to convince them their efforts have been misguided and Heretical

my take? israel is making “peace” so it can make war. take the heat off from palestinians, lebanese, syrians and then bomb (or the u.s. bomb) iran. mark my words…

If anyone wants to know how Israel operates and whether its leaders want peace as some might claim, I recommend you read Ilan Pappe’s book “The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine.” It’s available at Amazon

http://www.amazon.com/Ethnic-Cleansing-Palestine-Il an-Pappe/dp/1851684670

Furthermore, the Bush administration negotiates with Iran.

Israel wants peace much more than Hamas or Hezballah and all the oher Arab countries which deny its existence and wiil not offer peace…even yet after all these years since 1948 when they waged war upon Israel and then put the Pal’s into refugee camps.

What expansionism and dominance?  Lake Michigan is larger than Israel.  Israel left Gaza, eg; and rockets and missles, thoussands of them started up to agitate and kill indiscrimately civilans.

Find another agenda.

Ed, you’d mentioned this before, and I’m inclined to agree with you.

I say that because there isn’t a single documented time that Israel has EVER honored any ‘peace’ agreements, and I KNOW they don’t want peace at the price of their continued power, expansion and dominance of their neighbors. Sixty years has proven that.

The Israeli peace overtures to Hamas and Syria are probably tactical and temporary.

Israel expects very soon that the US (with perhaps some little Israeli help) will be launching major warfare against Iran. In preparation for this, it makes sense that Israel would wish to launch some “promising negotiations” with Syria and Hamas. Thus, Israel hopes, Syria and Hamas will keep quiet (not wanting to compromise those “promising negotiations”)  while the US and Israel go about their slaughter and destruction in Iran.

Once Iran is in ruins, Israel is likely to renege on these peace offers. Israel does not want peace. Israel wants only power, expansion,  and domination of its neighbors.