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‘Israel Gets a Pass’

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Posted on Jun 22, 2008
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Mosaic’s Jamal Dajani points out that while President Bush recently likened diplomacy to “appeasement,” the government of Israel has been cutting deals with two of its sworn enemies: Hezbollah and Hamas.

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By Howard, June 25, 2008 at 2:54 am Link to this comment

Indeed.  But the veracity of the article stands ! From the Jerusalem Post or Chicago Tribune the facts are accurate and cannot be denied.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=12141326637 26&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

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By Walldizo, June 25, 2008 at 1:40 am Link to this comment
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People like Howard doesn’t want to know that things have changed dramatically both regionally and internationally, since the coercive imposition of Israel in Palestine. The time when Israel used to provide her own sequence of events while blocking any other version that may dispute her accounts,has gone, and people can reach truth beyond Israel and its surrogates.This is what Howard should understand, that one faced coin doesn’t make a coin.

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By kevin Zelcko, June 24, 2008 at 5:09 pm Link to this comment
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I love how Howard is still in denial about the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. I also love that he gives us a link for an opinion published in the Jerusalem Post by no less than someone who had worked for the Israeli Prime Minister…right!

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By PatrickHenry, June 24, 2008 at 4:52 pm Link to this comment

The article should say “Israel gets another pass”.

http://smokingmirrors.blogspot.com/

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By Howard, June 24, 2008 at 9:39 am Link to this comment

Indeed, let’s talk about ’ ethnic cleansing ’  !
Not the falsehoods in Pappe’s book.
...but try this one.
Should be told along with the story of the Pal’s, for sure.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1214132663726&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

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By Ed Harges, June 23, 2008 at 11:09 pm Link to this comment

re: By cyrena, June 23 at 8:45 pm:

Yeah, and what’s also really funny is that, although when Howard writes to us in his real voice he shows himself — as you say — to be a simpleton, he’s very fond of lecturing us about the superior wit of the Master Race.

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By cyrena, June 23, 2008 at 9:45 pm Link to this comment

By Arabian Thoroughbred
This was great about the 2-versions of Howard. You guys are making me laugh a lot this evening. I mean, I can’t help it, because it’s just so apropos. The spontaneous simpleton who keeps repeating himself like a broken record, and the other well edited version that also keeps repeating, but more articulately.

The first is the real Howard, and the other is the plagiarizing cut n’ paste Howard. The plagiarizing version has a tendency to REALLY annoy some posters here, who take that sort of disingenuously corrupt behavior as the epitome of scumbagness.

I pretty much agree. After so long, it’s really difficult to tell if Howard actually believes this shit himself or not.

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By Ed Harges, June 23, 2008 at 6:13 pm Link to this comment

re: By cyrena, June 22 at 6:11 pm:

Yeah, Cyrena, the fact that Israel’s past peace overtures were phony is a clue.

Another clue is Israel’s intensified belligerence toward Iran that accompanies these olive branches to Syria and Hamas.

I mean, if the Israelis were really having a general change of heart about talking peaceably toward their ‘enemies’, then they would be showing the same willingness to talk to Iran. But no; they are MORE fanatically belligerent toward Iran with each passing day. So it’s obvious: they want relations with Hamas and Syria to be temporarily pacific, and they will return to their old ways as soon as they and the US have “taken care of” — i.e., destroyed — Iran. It’s nauseating.

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By PatrickHenry, June 23, 2008 at 3:51 pm Link to this comment

By Howard, June 23 at 11:02 am #

“Hamas does not want a state along side Israel; their charter calls for the elimination of Israel”.

If Hamas ever leaves their bomb shelters, the Israelis display an even greater hate and malice, killing and subjugating their minorities and
neighbors.

Never fails,

Israel = Howard = Misinformation.

http://www.maannews.net/en/index.php?opr=ShowDetails&ID=30008

I would like to think someday soon.

Israel = Bad For America = No more US lives or $$$$$$

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By Howard, June 23, 2008 at 12:02 pm Link to this comment

Hamas does not want a state along side Israel; their charter calls for the elimination of Israel.

Pappe’s book, which I’ve read, is so full of misinformation that it defies imagination.  It was a contentious time in 1948, even more than now,  when the UN and nations decided to satisfy the inhabitants, land for each would be established.  The Arabs said no, no, no,to partition and then, waged a war, and still have not made peace with Israel.  Could have had a land next to the nascent Israel 60 years ago and since then on other opportunities, but they are on an agenda to destroy Israel. At least any leaders they have are.

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By George, June 23, 2008 at 11:40 am Link to this comment
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Howard: Hamas’ charter does not speak of such a thing. It calls for liberating Palestine and establishing a Muslim State jus as Jews wanting to establish a Jewish state. They are no differnt than the settlers who want to expel the Palestinians to Jordan. Regardless, read Illan Pappe’s book…he is not an ousider or a stranger to Israeli politics.For the past sixty years Israel has been and is still engaged in ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from their towns and villages.

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By Howard, June 23, 2008 at 10:47 am Link to this comment

You mean the ‘ethnic cleansing of Israel’, because the Hamas charter calls for genocide of Israel and its ciizenry.

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By cyrena, June 23, 2008 at 10:00 am Link to this comment

I’ll just ditto randyha’s recommendation for Ilan Pappe’s “The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine.” All of his work is excellent.

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By msgmi, June 23, 2008 at 9:37 am Link to this comment
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Knowing how to do the talk and to do the walk for peace is one thing.  Practicing a mute diplomacy falls on deaf ears.

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By Ed Harges, June 23, 2008 at 5:16 am Link to this comment

regarding: By moineau, June 23 at 3:40 am:

Exactly right, moineau.

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By Purple Girl, June 23, 2008 at 5:02 am Link to this comment

Ever consider that if there is a ‘god’ he does not give a shit about the bricks & mortars left over from millenia ago? and may find it actaully aMortal sin to kill for these ‘Holy’ relics,foresaking all the ‘teachings’ just to control this patch of dirt? What other ‘valuable’commodity lies in Isreal? What benefit has it brought to man -Really?
The original battle beween Cain & Able was a sin Right. So this continued death machine called the ‘Middle East Crisis’ must be no less.Then add the blood thirsty ‘soldiers’ of the power hungry Peter into the mix and you have a world hell bent on possessing the Idolic ‘Holy Land’. It appears all three ‘Relgions’ have missed the Morals of the Stories in their ‘Holy’ books.Of course All three were subjected to editing and embellishments by men who only sought their own fame and Power anyway, so how ‘holy’ can they truely be. Seems to me their efforts only appease the evil which lurks in the heart of men,more then any deity.
But it appears only an Act of God -the obliteration of these Coveted pieces of real estate will be the only thng to convince them their efforts have been misguided and Heretical

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By moineau, June 23, 2008 at 4:40 am Link to this comment

my take? israel is making “peace” so it can make war. take the heat off from palestinians, lebanese, syrians and then bomb (or the u.s. bomb) iran. mark my words…

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By Walldizo, June 23, 2008 at 4:27 am Link to this comment
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We have grown to undestand Israeli peaceful overtures,none of which has produced tangible result.Although,a growing fear among Israeli intelligecia regarding the future of Israel,some stubborn politicians continue with their Apartheid policies as if nothing has changed since Israeli war of 1967.Western governments were accustomed to unquestionably accept Israeli argument regardless of the grievous outcome that may befall the Arabs from such policies.We still remember the Israeli war of 2006 against Lebanon and the young Israelis who were brought by the Israeli Army to engrave their names on the rockets positioned to be sent to the Lebanese villages.The list of crimes committed by Israel against the Palestinians is so lengthy that it will take decades to be sorted out after the liberation of Palestine.Experience has taught us not to trust this entity and what will come through our own efforts shouldn’t be begged for.

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By randyha, June 22, 2008 at 10:45 pm Link to this comment

If anyone wants to know how Israel operates and whether its leaders want peace as some might claim, I recommend you read Ilan Pappe’s book “The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine.” It’s available at Amazon

http://www.amazon.com/Ethnic-Cleansing-Palestine-Ilan-Pappe/dp/1851684670

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By GW=MCHammered, June 22, 2008 at 10:03 pm Link to this comment
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Heard a line in a song, “Life is just a waste of death.”

Sounds like something Bush would say about The Middle East. Anywhere really.

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By Arabian Thoroughbred, June 22, 2008 at 9:17 pm Link to this comment
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There are two versions of Howard on these threads: the spontaneous simpleton Howard, who shows little education and reason and keeps repeating himself as a broken record.

On the other hand, there is Howard, the well-edited version who also keeps repeating himself, but at least with more coherent style and less spelling and grammatical blunders.

Poor Mr. Howard! Where was you editor this time!

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By Arabian Thoroughbred, June 22, 2008 at 8:33 pm Link to this comment
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Yes, Ed Harges, I agree with your assessment! On the Israeli side, these so-called deals are just smokescreens for what they are planning against Iran.

Having said this, it would be beyond joy for me if I am proven wrong!

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By P. T., June 22, 2008 at 8:06 pm Link to this comment

Furthermore, the Bush administration negotiates with Iran.

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By Howard, June 22, 2008 at 7:52 pm Link to this comment

Israel wants peace much more than Hamas or Hezballah and all the oher Arab countries which deny its existence and wiil not offer peace…even yet after all these years since 1948 when they waged war upon Israel and then put the Pal’s into refugee camps.

What expansionism and dominance?  Lake Michigan is larger than Israel.  Israel left Gaza, eg; and rockets and missles, thoussands of them started up to agitate and kill indiscrimately civilans.

Find another agenda.

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By cyrena, June 22, 2008 at 7:11 pm Link to this comment

Ed, you’d mentioned this before, and I’m inclined to agree with you.

I say that because there isn’t a single documented time that Israel has EVER honored any ‘peace’ agreements, and I KNOW they don’t want peace at the price of their continued power, expansion and dominance of their neighbors. Sixty years has proven that.

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By Ed Harges, June 22, 2008 at 6:53 pm Link to this comment

The Israeli peace overtures to Hamas and Syria are probably tactical and temporary.

Israel expects very soon that the US (with perhaps some little Israeli help) will be launching major warfare against Iran. In preparation for this, it makes sense that Israel would wish to launch some “promising negotiations” with Syria and Hamas. Thus, Israel hopes, Syria and Hamas will keep quiet (not wanting to compromise those “promising negotiations”)  while the US and Israel go about their slaughter and destruction in Iran.

Once Iran is in ruins, Israel is likely to renege on these peace offers. Israel does not want peace. Israel wants only power, expansion,  and domination of its neighbors.

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