cyrena seems to know all about herpes lol one wonders how she got so intimate with herpes sitting on her by now flat ass after over 4000 posts lol all she can do is insult others. What a life lol

Lots of shills here John Hanks. And as you said, an agent provacateur is an agent provocateur.

The ones here seem to pop out in cycles...like several cases of herpes outbreaks. Some are more noticeable than others, and can generally be identified easily enough from the ones who do it for a living.

Harriett is what my southern friends would call a ‘Damn Yankee’. My southern friends would completely freak-out if they knew ‘I’ wrote this, but if the shoe fits....New Yorkers, sheesh!

No offense intended here Brigitte, but I believe it is YOU who have missed the point.

In this contest, it is NOT about Hillary’s gender, it is about HILLARY! There are multiple posts, from many, many women on this site, making this crystal clear.

Nobody who has paid even a pimple’s worth of attention is unaware that in a patriarchal system such as the US was original established upon, sexism has prevailed. To say that there has been NO progress is foolish. To measure such progress as dependent upon putting ANY woman in the white house is insane.

As Aegrus has put it so clearly, far too many women have thrown THEMSELVES under the bus. I’m sick of hearing about how long it took for women to get the vote, since it was STILL long before ANY African-American (specifically in the South) was able to vote, and besides…YOU VOTE NOW for Christ’s sake!

But, as Aegrus has also pointed out, we STILL only earn 70 cents to the dollar that men are paid for the same jobs. So why aren’t you bitching about that? Why were you not complaining when Billary was setting up the NAFTA plan, and outsourcing so many jobs? Why weren’t you complaining when Bill was setting up the union busting precedents, and cutting back billions and billions for social programs that assisted primarily WOMEN? And why haven’t you been pressuring Senator Clinton in her position on the Armed Services Committee, to do something about the horrific conditions that ALL of our troops, but especially our female troops are dealing with, when 1 out of 3 of them are being raped by their fellow military personnel?

Why are you so willing to put this person in the top office, when she has done NOTHING to indicate that she’s the least bit interested in addressing the concerns of women? WHY, as women and mothers, are we not more concerned with making sure that our children – our sons and our daughters, have equal access to education, and jobs? THESE are the things you should be doing with your vote, since you DO have it now. And that would require paying attention to the PERSON running for the offices, and not the GENDER or the RACE of the PERSON.

Smart Americans, regardless of their gender, or their race, or their religion or lack of it, will examine the issues that are of the greatest importance to them, and decide which PERSON is most likely to deliver on that. Hillary’s track record has so far indicated that she cannot and will not work in my interests as an American citizen, who happens to be a female of color.

Now if you’re so worried about who does the ‘work’ and who counts the money, then you need to work that out with the people who are doing the work and counting the money. How do YOU know that isn’t the arrangement that they feel most comfortable with. And what makes you think that you can pigeon hole all Americans into the role models that you choose for them?

And what makes you think that you can collect any points by insulting the larger population by claiming that we would rather ‘self-destruct’ than vote for a woman? Are you crazy? We’ve been in destruction mode for nearly 8 years, and the WOMAN whose job and duty it is in Congress, NANCY PELOSI, has failed us miserably in her refusal to use the legal remedy to halt this destruction, via the impeachment process.

So no. If you’re a ‘second class’ citizen it’s only because that’s what you’ve CHOSEN to be, by your own inaction, and corrupted perspectives and priorities. And Hillary isn’t gonna help you with that.

So, you should speak for yourself on the ‘women have always been second class citizens’ thing, because I’m a woman, and I’m damn sure not a second class citizen, nor will I allow myself to be treated as such.

..we just don’t believe.

You forgot the part about her grating voice.

i share your outrage, Outraged. But i almost hate to point out that your observations about Hillary’s pantsuit and hairstyle (and mine about her voice) are not sexist statements, merely observations of a thing as it is. Just like Bill Richardson’s ridiculous beard or Al Gore’s chubbed up physique.

If this is the worst that happened at the rules committee hearing democrats should consider themselves lucky.  In 1964 an entire delegation from one the states in the deep south was denied their credentials at the convention and replaced with an entirely different delegation.  This was mild compared to that ruckus.

Look there is hypocrisy on both sides...Ms. Christian’s ratings were borne more out of frustration than racism, while I cannot say she is a racist only she and God know for sure.

People that despise Hillary or the Clintons in general will easily allow themselves to believe they are racists.

One can make a similar claim with the Obamas, many think Michelle Obama has some prejudicial views on whites, certainly Pastor Wright does and Father Phleger seems to enjoy being an apologist for African Americans rather than ministering to the people of his parish. I am Catholic and in all the years I attened mass no Catholic Priest has ranted and raved in the demeaning way that Father Phleger has. He did not only demean Hillary and women in general but he demeaned African Americans mimicking them with a deplorable jive “ghettoesque” way of trying to “talk black” Can you imagine Colin Powell, Condi Rice, Harold Ford Jr., and many other prominent African Americans talking and acting like Father Phleger did?

At the end of the day the fact is that Senator Obama will be the democratic nominee and I say ths as a Hillary supporter. For those that say they will vote for McCain, please explain to me the logic behind that? As Hillary supprters and Democrats I assume you believe in the goals and the ideology that the party stands for are you going to sacrifice all that you believe in to support an opposing ideology?

I have no great love for Obama but because of the ideology of my democratic party of helping the poor providing insurance for children [s-chip] raising the minimum wage which despite the recent increase is still substandard, the belief that governmemt has a responsibility to the poor, the belief that governmemt should not defy the Constitution and spy on its on people because of paranoia about terrorism as justification for it, and many other reasons I will vote for Obama despite my reservations about him. My advice is for him to pick Ed Rendell as Veep and listen to his wise advice [actually he was my pick for president before he decided not to run]

I still think Hillary would make a far better president than Obama but that now becomes a moot point, however in time I believe the Democratic Party will unite after the convention.

Okay..  That’s it!  This is the last straw.  I don’t like to make petty insults but this has gone too far.  I have been called “sexist” for the last time by the Clinton worshippers.  And since I don’t support Clinton I’ve apparently been labeled sexist so many times that I now feel I have a FREE PASS.  You’ve convicted me, so now let me commit the “crime”.  Here goes:

Clinton’s pantsuits make her hips look fat and her butt enormous.  So there...!  And another thing… her hair is UGLY.  Cry me a god-damned river!
*****

As for this “Harriet Christian” (oh boy, isn’t that ironic....or is it..?) My “favorite” comment was when she claimed, “I’m not going to shut up anymore.” LOL...do these types EVER shut up...sure lady… take two of these and call me next Tuesday.

We are far, far behind EU countries in many ways...but it isn’t because of Thatcher, Merkel, et al.

How many German PM’s have been Jewish?  How many British PM’s have been Paki, Indian, or any of the other myriad nationalities that the Brits have ruled over?

Besides that, European heads of state (in many cases) rise to that position not by winning a direct election but through the wonders of proportional representation and multiple party systems that the European democracies use.

We’d be better served by catching up with Europe in how we do politics rather than trying to simply elect a woman or a black man or an asian or whatever.

You do realize that many EU countries have voter turnout in the 90% range.  Let’s catch up that way and see where it gets us, eh?

Some people oppose abortion but support increased federal funding for education and public programs to help young mothers deal with an unexpected pregnancy.

Some people see the value of infrastructure investment which higher tax revenue enables but don’t want the government to legislate gun ownership.

Some people don’t want to be pigeonholed by simplistic assholes like you, so they resist joining either party and vote for the candidate who they feel best represents the interests of their country at the particular moment.

Come on guys, we don’t need to add generational warfare to this lady’s list of grievances. Instead of saying she and people like her should hurry up and die already, perhaps there is a more reasonable way to ask disappointed Clinton supporters to consider that other voices from this primary deserve the same equal regard which they demand. Opposition to her candidate — or to Ms. Christian’s perspective — is not proof of the disenfranchisement of women. Which begs the question: Does she really desire equality? Her argument sounds like a demand for some (Hillary suffragettes) to be more equal than others (the rest of us). Ms. Christian was given the opportunity to be a “somebody” in the eye of the media but, by ranting like a lunatic, she squandered her chance to be heard and marred the public face of the cause she claims to support.

In the same way, as Democrats seek to unite and to appeal to independent voters and disaffected Republicans, those who support Onama — and more importantly an end to Republican abuse of the executive — must try to avoid behaving in the childish manner of Harriet Christian. The task at hand must be viewed as a PR campaign first and foremost. If you want to win, it is essential to convince others of the validity of your view. Hammering at the wedge simply does not help.

Well said Aegrus! You speak for most of us, even though it was a total waste on Sue Cook, and any other ideological Hillary supporter, who has no clue about any of the issues that you raised.

She starts out with the same ignorance that has been evident since the very first post I remember reading from her. In this one, she says that Hillary supporters have been ‘let down’ AGAIN!

What does that even MEAN? Again? I mean, I can see how they’ve been ‘let down’ by Hillary losing, state after state, after state, after state. But I don’t get how that’s the fault of the DNC!

Yet, there was another similar comment from another Hillary worshipper, asking ‘when has the DNC ever ‘ruled’ in Hillary’s favor?” What the hell is he/she TALKING about? Since when did the DNC become the ‘deciders’ or rulers of in an election process? I thought that’s what the VOTERS did!

The mentality here is that NONE of the rest of us count for anything! Now all of a sudden, only Michigan and Florida are the important states? Holy shit! How did this get so jacked-up? These were the same states that Hillary obviously didn’t give a rat’s ass about when she agreed with the original plan that you all, (MI and FL voters) wouldn’t matter. Now it’s the rest of us that don’t matter. (at least according to Sue Cook and other Hillary worshippers).

Still, just because I honestly would like to understand, WHAT are the OTHER times that Hillary supporters have been ‘let down’?

I read a piece in the NYT on the Puerto Rico primary, (where she did ‘win’, btw) and one of her big time supporters was lamenting that ‘she didn’t deserve’ the ‘treatment’ she’s been getting. My God, my God! WHAT ‘treatment’? It’s an election. People vote. Then we count the votes, and whoever has the most gets the nomination. Hillary doesn’t have the most votes. She hasn’t had the most votes in a really long time. Remember the 11 state losing streak? It’s probably happened sometime around then. And that’s been SINCE Super Tueday, when Obama also made a better showing.

Now I just read that she needs 358% of the superdelegate vote to win. Yep...358%!!!

I don’t think I can take anymore of this ‘new math’. It’s enough to boggle a middle-aged woman’s mind! 

Meantime, check out the posts from Cesco. He thinks Americans are downright crazy! After watching this spectacle, can anybody blame him?

“We are so far behind the European countries, we may never catch up.”

That’s the kind of defeatist attitude which blocks good legislation from ever being brought forth. It also keeps fat, worthless representatives in Congress even though they do nothing but take up a seat with a letter next to their name.

I’m fed up with this contorted logic. You have no idea what Europe is like, or the rest of the world for that matter. Everyone has progress to make. America is not alone. It’s really frustrating hear anyone say “we may never catch up” to a superficial, unknown example of unsubstantiated and unqualified perceptions. Far, far from reality and the truth you are.

The feminists laid down in front of the bus years ago when they decided to wage semantics wars and lose focus of where the real inequalities in society were. Then, they got comfortable even though they still make 70 cents to the dollar men make.

You’ve lost the faith, so don’t blame Obama or anyone else for the fact this country has lost track. Search for a new dialog because you’re helping no one, and don’t you forget for a moment that the Democrats only have a thin, THIN majority in the two houses of congress. Republicans have viciously denied any substantial change that doesn’t involve pork barrel spending and veteran aide, and Bush vetoes anti-war bills.

You’re out of touch and uninformed. When you get back on track with where this country is, you’ll be of better service to right the course. The complaining and ignorance only serves to destroy your rights and mine.

This is the justice you fact-denying, spin-doctor, rude, pro-Fox News Hillary Supporters are going to get, and it’s too damn lenient. Feel privileged to have such litigators fighting for Hillary’s stupid, pandering lies because it’s the same kind of justice people get when they sue McDonald’s because they spilled hot coffee in their lap while driving. Frivolous, nonsensical, farcical justice for people who cry the loudest.

It won’t even matter anyway. The selfishness Harriet Christian, Sue Cook and Robyn represent is disgraceful! I won’t go so far to say you’re all racially motivated, but I will say there is a history of feminists having unequal rights for black women while they were campaigning for equal rights across the board.

Honestly, I could not be more upset at this kind of ignorance. “John McCain Will Be the Next President!”??? You’re really, REALLY considering voting for the man who *WILL* - *CERTAINLY* - *WITHOUT DOUBT* replace at least one or two Supreme Court Justices with *CONSERVATIVE* - *PRO-LIFE* - *FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIAN* judges who will overstep their duties and will work against equal rights for all Americans.

You’re going to destroy what few civil liberties we have because you have a grudge against Obama for FANTASTICAL LIES about sexism on the campaign trail. Disgusting. Disgraceful. Disloyal. FOOLS!

Robyn,

I agree that Hillary’s supporters feel let down...again!  As I see it, justice was not served with that farce of a meeting they publicly aired to make it look like they came to the conclusion of seating the delegates, (but not fully)that day. (after hours of deliberating?)

That conclusion has been tossed around months ago when this whole debacle came up.  What changed?
The outcome was predictable.

The democratic party (DNC) should be ashamed of themselves.
I know I am ashamed of being aligned with them.

I will be changing my affiliation to “independent” because of it.

I never seen so much confusion with the backwards rules they impose on candidates with the expectations of running a smooth campaign.

Hillary supporters keep citing sexism as the reason why she is losing. Where is the evidence for this? I have not heard Obama or his campaign suggest that she can’t win because she is a woman, but I certainly have heard Hillary and her campaign suggest in veiled words that Obama can’t win because he is black, and many of her supporters (especially in West Virginia) have said so outright. But not once have I heard a sexist comment against Hillary.

Where is the proof? Is the mere fact that she is losing in the delegate count and the popular vote count (assuming we don’t accept her wacked out math) proof of sexism?

Perhaps Hillary and her supporters should blame poor campaign strategy rather than sexism as the reason she is losing. She was the front runner. She had the institutional support of the Democratic leadership and all the money, but when she ignored the small states, Obama took advantage of it and racked up a delegate lead that she couldn’t overcome.

That’s where Hillary lost. This cry of sexism just sounds like sour grapes. In every contest, there is a winner and a loser. If you have lost, then the best you can do is lose with class. The way Hillary and her supporters are acting is completely undignified.

Thanks for making this point so very clearly Conservative Yankee.

Racism DOES still trump, at the polling place and pretty much everywhere else.

That’s not to say that it is restricted to old folks, or that all old folks, (male or female) are racist. As we see from the many seniors who post here, male and female of all races, not everyone thinks like Crazy Harriet here.

But, they DO still exist, and maybe it’s just as well that we all be AWARE that they do still exist. As a matter of fact, I’m convinced that we SHOULD be aware of these people, just as we’ve become aware of the ‘real’ Hillary, which is why I appreciate the comment from the Senior Woman, and many others that have spoken up.

No political party can self-destruct like Democrats. Ms. Christian is ONE angry woman. Seething, raving, marginalized, discriminated against, and furious for being given the boot from her party’s process. I could imagine that Ms. Christian has given most of her adult life to the Democratic Party and now she is summarily tossed into the trash heap of irrelevance. Figures. Both political parties are guilty of arrogance, self-serving elitism, and using the ‘common folk’ for an end that might not justify their means. I’m willing to bet that Ms. Christian is heavily “invested” in ‘donkey’ party and she didn’t get her moneys worth. It’s the two party system that is broken and painfully corrupt. We shouldn’t chastise Ms. Christian for her outrage. Ms. Christian becomes just another media sound bite that Amerika snickers at for several moments and the real issues of importance are ignored. By the candidates and the political parties. I’m thinking there was a time when an outburst like Ms. Christian’s would have been headlined as ‘righteous indignation’.

Scary, but it’s good that this was captured and made available to us. Because, THIS speaks to the REAL ISSUES that we’ve had to deal with for all of this time.

THIS crazy old lady is NOT alone in here thinking...and notice how she kicked it off. It’s not about the gender thing, (thought that’s been convenient enough to incorporate) but rather about the same old thing that has plagued us since the beginning of this ‘experiment’. It’s about the racism that they just can’t shake. It’s in their DNA.

It’s about some BLACK guy, thinking that he could upset the old ladies status quo. She’s made herself feel like a second class citizen because the status quo of her day made her (as a white woman) second class to the white male, but STILL ALLOWED for her to ALWAYS have another ‘class’ BELOW HER. (Isn’t that why God made black people? Well..that’s what SHE was raised to believe)

Now of course, (after a few centuries) that ‘lower class’ is changing in it’s stucture, and color, and so she’s just not ‘adjusting’ to this very well. I see it all the time.

Fortunately however, Crazy Harriet does NOT represent the thinking or attitudes of all old folks, so we’ll just be grateful for small things, eh?

Wow! Color me convinced. i completely renounce my conviction that the the super delegates should not vote to overturn the pledged delegate count.

We shouldn’t have bothered holding primaries and caucuses at all, we should have just sent Harriet around the country knocking on doors inviting folks out to meet her for dinner…

maître d’: “Harriet Christian? Party of one!”