Courageous is speaking truth to power instead of covering it up, or playing along with State Sponsored Media lies.

Olbermann is obviously courageous. STILL!

As for objective. If pointing to the truth of anything…(he’s not only addressing this ONE occassion or Hillary wishing up the assassination, since it’s her 3rd) but rather ALL of the other nasty and deplorable actions that she’s engaged in over the past months of this campaign.

Now if addressing the truth of her own words and actions is somehow ‘not’ objective, I’d be interested to know what you think ‘objective’ is. I think ‘objective’ is calling a spade a spade, and anyone who doesn’t want to hear the truth, can always just cover their ears, as you’ve already indicated you do.

So, why read and post here?

Leefeller,

I agree with your assessment of Hillary and her remark(s).  But, I stand by my assessment of Keith Olbermann and MSNBC.

Sue Cooke,

No, not everyone knows MSNBC is an Obama network, since some of us do not believe everything we see on TV, nor do some of us even watch TV. 

Checking out the Olbermann cut from above, and I feel it was over done, but I feel Hillary should never even mentioned what she said.  So the ball is in her court, she has a tendency to say very divisive and negative things, but I would expect nothing less from the Clintons.

If you do not like Olbermann, that is fine, but requesting anyone to be objective about Hillary right now would require watching something like Fox not the News or a lobotomy.

Good story here Cy. (but then I always like to hear/read this stuff).

I remember taking a really, really, really, long way home from somewhere in Colorado about 16 or 17 years ago. (I honestly can’t remember where I was coming from, other than that I’d been there for a ski summit) The airport closest to where we’d been staying was closed, and I got a ride with some folks to Grand Junction. WOW! Now THAT was an experience. I was the only spot of color for miles and miles around, and especially in that airport. A few folks looked at me a little oddly, but not maliciously or anything. Everyone just sort of ‘carried on’.

I remember we stopped at several similar spots along the way, (I was basically hitch-hiking by air) and all were certainly ‘different’ from most of my own experiences. Still, it was a learning experience. Believe it or not, I was only trying to get to LA, so you wouldn’t have thought it would take 4 or 5 airplanes, and over 24 hours. But, it did.

Meantime, you probably wouldn’t recognize Denver. It’s really drastically changed. My former mother in law, (now 84) is originally from Denver, and she REALLY doesn’t recognize it. Very different.

But don’t forget, they let Condi Rice in when she and her family left the South, and that’s when she turned into a republican.

3rd times a Charm Hillary???
Should anything befall Sen Obama- I will place blame squarely on HER shoulders!
She didn’t mean it the way it sounded- BS!
she is either a cold clculating manipulative viper or an IDIOT! Either means she is UNFIT to lead our country.Who did not know that would invoke a response? Who did not tell her it Would? If she is so intellegent an d’Intouch’ why did it not occur to her. It Did and She said it Intentionally to provoke such terrorizing visions!We do NOT need another Pres who requires an Interpretor every time they open their mouth- when they are speaking English!!Why would we need another such BS ortator to represent US Around th eWorld. She offends US in English, what will she say when she needs a Real interpetor when meeting with foreign leaders,. Her Lies, Her Tactics and Her self ordained right to rule attitude has already been done- The last 7 yrs has proven this type of Character is dangerous to US and the rest of the World. I don’t want her to quit just becasue SHE IS LOSING and wasting our time. I want her to QUIT so she no longer has access to the Airwaves to spew her retaliational Rhetoric- “obliterate Iran’ created even more of a National Security Threat.the world is holding it’s breath - like US- until the end of this dangerously corrupt adminstration, in hopes the next will be at least a bit more Rational.Seh and Mac are only helping to recruit more terrorist and further Attacks in the Future. And this time it won’t be the MIC they will Hit, It will Be our fault they made it into office!
Having voted in th eMI Primary, I am telling My Fellow Americans and the World THEY ARE TRYING TO STEAL THIS ONE TOO!!!MI Prim was Rigged- beginning to end. I do NOT want our delegates Seated NOR COUNTED!!!!And I have no Doubt the SCOTUS helped rig Indiana’s Too- One week before Prim they hand down that Voter suppression ‘Ruling’ . Criminals at ALL levels!

If anyone with any character takes Keith Olbermann serious is very narrow-minded and not looking at the whole picture of what he represents.  RATINGS!

He’s in competition with Chris Matthews simply for rating purposes.  He makes derogatory statements against anyone currently in the news because he knows by adding emphasis,(like turning red-faced, using bulging eyes and sputterng a small paragragh all in on breath)to make his point.  RATINGS!

We all know that MSNBC is an Obama network.

We won’t see his facial displays on any gaffes Obama makes.

MSNBC = Shuster, Matthews, Olbermann = bias coverage.

It’s working for him, but anyone with un-biased, neutral observations, see right through him and take him for what he really is… an obvious Hillary hater, and suffers from an ATTENTION deficit disorder.

Being an old dude, could Hill’s comment be characterized as “jumping the shark?”  My wife is trying to get me to understand that characterization.

BTW, I didn’t need any reporter, commentator or analyst to tell me it was outta line and indicative of who and what the real Hillary is made of.

joke about TX, CA, & CO

“purple” map of Colorado 2004

Fair warning: the following comment contains stereotypes used ironically…

In the estimation of many Coloradans, you probably couldn’t have picked a worse state to compare Colorado to, except maybe California. You ever hear the one about [url=“http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/PurpleAmericaPosterAll50.gif"herf=“http://www.fazed.org/forum/view/?id=15915&p=2” target=“_blank” title=” bad joke to follow “>the Texan, the Californian, and the Coloradan?</a>

<a target=“_blank” title=” Purple America 2004 by county “]Here’s a map[/url] showing how we voted in 2004. i live in the county just north of the nice blue one on the western edge of the state.

All chop-busting aside, you hit the nail on the head about Denver being like “a thousand other places….” You just can’t find a place without a-holes anymore.

Now this is funny. “Reading assassination into a comment (actually 3 comments over a period of months from the same horses mouth) that specifically talked about ASSASSINATION. Even a deaf mute who knows how to lip read could understand that very long comment by Hillary this time. (like I said, her 3rd or 4th).

So, Hillary discusses assassination in an interview with the media, and they’re obviously recording it, (since that’s what the media does) and they play it for the world to see, and somehow, what came out of her mouth is the fault of the media.

I guess I can’t stop laughing either…absurd is certainly what we get. Do ya supposed maybe they had some sort of mechanism that turned her words into something entirely different than what she said?

Well, that would be possible if she hadn’t issued another statement later, acknowledging that she HAD said them.

i am truly sorry you had such a negative experience. i hope that you will accept my apology as an unofficial ambassador for Colorado. Perhaps your interactions with me through this website will prove there are positive people here too.

i looked over the links you provided (i feel a little dirty inside), and decided to do some further googling. i was shocked to discover in an article from the Westword that:

“Denver is scheduled to be the Western headquarters of the US New World Order during martial law take over… contacts who have been underground at the Denver Airport [also] claim that there are large numbers of human slaves, many of them children, working there under the control of the reptilians.”

i was alerted to this startling revelation after a google search for “nazi denver” led me to this gem of a website.

You’ve got a point here CY, but the problem is…Denver is like at least a thousand other places in this respect…both then, and now.

I DO believe that it’s changed quite a bit though, over that time since the early 70’s. I’ve actually spent quite a bit of time there myself, off and on.
Maybe a very loose sort of comparison would be a suggestion that Denver is to the rest of Colorado what Austin is to the rest of Texas.

In other words, I think we know Colorado to be a mostly conservative and previously sort of racist State, but Denver has progressed quite a bit. I would say the same about Austin, which for the most part, is not as racist and conservative, and backward as so many other parts of Texas. I’m sure the same can be said of other places.

I don’t mean to suggest that it’s all gone away. But I don’t think it’s reasonable to assume that such thinking or feeling is necessarily endemic of community feeling, particularly in Denver.

Just a thought.

I see you have very low grammatical values.

it says a lot about Olberman’s comments.

          http://www.americahappens.com

Thank you for this important link.  As a retired VA RN, I am aware of all that should be done for our returning Vets, and all that isn’t.  No one expected such a high rate of survival of the wounded.  Talk about poor planning.

Returning Vets from Vietnam received much more and intensive after care than our people returning from Iraq.  And even that often was not enough.

Try and view this very important Film “A body of War”, wherein the difference in treatment is starkly depicted:

http://www.bodyofwar.com/

And thanks to all our brave soldiers this Memorial Day!

Keith Olbermann calls it insensitive and hearless.

I call it the Banality of Evil.

THAT’S what’s wrong with them. Nearly 8 years of Dick Bush has irrepairably demented them. (although my guess from a lot of these posts is that they were like that already, so it didn’t take much).

No he did not distort anything.  He never even comment the first THREE times she mentioned assassination.  I guess enough is enough.  KEITH OLBERMANN, MY HERO!

In this campaign, in which Obama has been compared to Bobby Kennedy by many, it was in bad taste for HRC to invoke Kennedy’s assassination, not once but four times in this year alone.  Especially, since our country has a history of assassinating black leaders, like Martin Luther King, Jr., Malcom X, and Medgar Evers, for example.

Ms. Clinton is very clever at insinuations and implications.  If she honestly just had wanted to make the point that other campaigns ran long and into June, she could have said:  “My husband’s campaign and Bobby Kennedy’s campaign lasted until June.”  Period.

However, all the four times she said it,  she added that we should remember that Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June, in California.  This was gratuitous.  Especially in the current political climate where any idiot can be given an idea to do bad things.

In the current campaign, California has already voted, so it is a moot point to refer to our state.  But then the assassination remark would be hard to place, since it happened in California,

She’s a clever little bugger, I’ll give her that,  but it was a convoluted, disingenuous way to state her case for long campaigns.  It sounded like she is waiting for something to happen.

That is how many of us interpreted her, repeated, statements.  It is scary, really, and a person like that should not be at the helm of our country.

In cold light of day, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s remarks are but one thing, opportunistic and bigoted. It seems to me that the nation as a whole, should stand up to the maniacal and bigoted statements that have been coming from the Clinton camp.  To do this, would prove one thing, that as a nation, we will not tolerate the kind of shenanigans that have spewed forth from the campaign of Sen. Clinton.  I for one, am appalled, that Sen. Clinton, would reference the assassination of one of the brightest and most electable men of that age, Sen. Robert Kennedy.  It is beyond comprehension why, this came straight from the mouth of Sen. Clinton herself. Would you stand for someone mentioning the killing of your loved one at a time when this country seems to be on the precipice of another war, led by the shrub and his cabal of thieves?  Surely, we have come far enough that the people of this country are not swayed by the antics and rhetoric of a person, who, wishes power for the sake of power?  In my mind, we now know the true Sen. Clinton, we as a nation cannot and should not be thinking of her as presidential material. This person has proven herself incapable of uniting this country around a standard of decency and integrity.  Her comments are inexcusable, not those of Keith Olbermann, he has spoken the truth regarding the crass and unfeeling nature of all the comments made by Sen. Clinton. I, hope and pray, that Sen. Obama is elected president, for surely this nation will be back on track, nationally and internationally.

I ditto i.Q. here, and thank you for the reminder. In all honesty, this Memorial Day kind of caught me by surprise, because my days seem to run together these past several years. Besides that, there has been little mention of it on any of the other sites that I generally visit either. AND…for whatever the reasons may be, my mental calendar had registered Memorial Day for NEXT weekend. (I don’t know why).

At any rate, the Juan Cole site is an excellent one, and I read it frequently. Sadly, I know his information to be accurate enough. The VA and the rest of this administration have gone to great lengths to cover up the number of our vets that have already succumbed to this horrific existence, just as they’ve made it a point to conceal the numbers of our own who return to us in boxes. (I’ve read that it was Barbara Bush who insisted that they be transported only under cover of darkness, and the media are not allowed around to record such events). Maybe that’s why we’ve not heard many reminders of the Memorial Day event. All things considered, maybe we should be glad that at least it’s not yet another 3-day mega-sale event, which is what usually happens.

One thing very unusual did happen here though. I noted on Friday, just before 4:00pm, that our major center on our campus was being shut down for the entire weekend…though Monday. The center holds the Post Office and other public access buildings and services, even though they are mostly just used by students/staff/faculty. Regardless, my point is that this is generally a 24 hour facility, and while there are times when the Center has shorter hours, (such as holidays and academic breaks) there has never been a time, (to my knowledge) when it has been completely shut down, beginning that early in the day. So, I don’t know what that may mean, since there were just some rather hastily scribbled notes posted on the door (as I attempted to collect mail) indicating that the building was ‘closed for the *holiday* weekend’…not really a ‘holiday’ at all.

Meantime, I don’t doubt the statistics provided here. I’ve already read of far too many suicides of our service men and women. And, we all know that they are not being taken care of as they should be, even when they attempt to get the care that they need. I read not long ago that the same troops are being sent back into combat with mega supplies of anti-depressants. It makes me sick, sick, sick.

So yes. They should be in our thoughts and hearts everyday, along with the families that suffer with them.

... but any city has malcontents, racists, and antisocial subcultures. Alan Berg’s assassination is tragic, but i don’t think it accurately informs about the culture of an entire metropolis area 24 years later.

Thank you for reminding us. It is too easy to get caught up in our concerns about the future and overlook the sacrifices of the past and the pain of the present.

This Memorial Day Weekend is and should be a time of reflection and sadness for the deaths of our troops in the line of duty.  So far this weekend I was disappointed to find little in TD about the sadness of this state of affairs. 

So off topic I will just say this.  According to the following post about 12,000 military vets from the Bush wars are said to be contemplating suicide.  I suggest this link for a little reflecting on the events of the day. I do not have any idea of the validity of this site, but it bothers me, on and off this Memorial Day Weekend.  We know Vets have a higher incidence of suicide than the normal population (using the term normal loosely here).

Hope TD does some reflection.

http://www.juancole.com/2008/05/memorial-day-2008.html.

Do not feel bad, I had seen it already when it came out. “John Harrison of The Largest Minority” has a neat sight, you can usually find some interesting links on his blog. It is nice that TD gave him credit.  TD used to use most of his Link stuff but lately they have gone other directions.

Well i.Q., I haven’t heard much more about Obama’s campaign bailing HRC out of her debts. I suppose it would be worth it if she really did do as we would hope, because yes…it would seem that the HRC supporters are clearly still in the tantrum mode, and still threatening to cut off ALL of our noses, to spite THEIR faces. (first it was the repugs who highjacked us all, and now our own siblings are willing to die for Hillary, and bring the rest of us down along with them).

Amazingly, I was never an Obama Zealot, and actually had my preference set on Kucinich at the beginning of all of this, but I would have been equally satisfied with Obama, Ewards, Dodd, or Richardson. Gravel would have been OK with me too. The ONLY democrat that I would NOT have wanted in the office, was HRC! HOWEVER, I didn’t always feel that way about her. Nope, it didn’t really begin until she authorized the destruction of Iraq. EVEN THEN, I was willing to cut her some slack, because while there were at least 100 million of us who felt differently about that decision, I actually understood how she may have been mislead, just as so many others were.

But then..she proved that she wasn’t ‘mislead’ at all, and that her only regrets were that we hadn’t invaded and occupied with enough force to wipe the place out sooner. So, by the time HRC rolled arrogantly up to the campaign event, I was pretty much done with her. Now, she could have actually saved herself in her campaign, even then. (It would have taken some doing though) But nope, she just decided on the kitchen sink tactic, and reached for the garbage disposal first. She’s been digging from it and throwing garbage at Obama and ALL THE REST OF US ever since. (Maybe she thought we’d had 7 years to get used to the abuse, and so that’s what we expected). She thought wrong.

But, I sidetracked. I just said all of that to say that I don’t have any real faith anymore, that she could be an assest to the dems putting Obama in the office. For one thing, these supporters aren’t gonna be swayed by her anyway. They’d rather stay on the cross. Besides that, who could possibly believe her sincerity at this point anyway?

Nope, I think she’d do more harm than good now. Pity, but that seems to be the way it is. So, I’m thinking we’ll just have to get by without them. It’s difficult to imagine that they would actually vote for McCain rather than simply stay home and sulk. But then again, it’s difficult to imagine the stuff I read from them on these blogs as well. So, I won’t try to predict. But, I still don’t see her being the least bit of an advantage.

So, she can pay off her own bills. She’s got a whole hell of a lot more money than most of us do.

Please elaborate Conservative Yankee, i spent three of the last six years living in Denver and i wouldn’t characterize the city in that fashion. They may be fanatics for the Avs and for the Broncos, but it’s no Selma, AL. Clolorado may not be the pinnacle of liberal enlightenment (well maybe in Boulder), but it is certainly a purple state and could very well go for Obama in the fall (sorry HRC supporters, it won’t go for Hill partly because of her Billy-baggage but also because we’re one of those caucus states she has alienated).

Yes, Tancredo is an idiot (if he’s the source of your antipathy), and his anti-immigration platform was xenophobic. His district is whiter and wealthier than the district that represents Denver proper, and it turns out that a large part of our state’s economy is fueled by migrant workers and their labor, and the fe(a)rvor over that issue has died down in the face of economic reality.

Perhaps you have some specific insights on the matter of Denver’s bigotry. i’m always up for learning more.

An animal is most dangerous when it has been mortally wounded. Recall that LBJ had participated in the JFK murder(The Guilty Men). When he was spent out as a force in ‘68, he still had a deadly smount of venom in him. I don’t like Obama so much, but McCain is a lunatic, and Hillary is not much better. We have a nation armed and ready with the Patriot Acts and John Warner Military Commissions Act. I had hoped an Obama Presidency would give me more time to prepare for the worst.

i’ve heard pundits suggest that Obama might assume her campaign debt as (yet another) gesture of goodwill, but have you read anything anywhere that has more detail on that matter? It will indeed be interesting to see if this latest development will negate that thinking entirely, though i think it will be crucial to get Hillary on the trail stumping for Obama one way or another. It is fairly obvious how entrenched the Hillary supporters are, and for some of them, it’s going to take a lot of convincing to get them to come down off their cross to do what’s best for the nation in the fall.

i guess i’m not being 100% helpful by characterizing Hillary supporters as self-perceived martyrs, but i’m human. i’m pretty excited to (for once) be supporting the candidate who has the best chance of winning the nomination. i am curious though why Hillary supporters are more willing to betray the party if they don’t get their way. i thought it was us Obama zealots who were unswerving in our devotion to the cult of personality. i hope that the polling data suggesting more Clinton voters won’t vote for Obama if he’s the nominee is based on emotional ultimatums (temper tantrums) rather than actual calculation, but maybe it’s just that educated people (elitists;P) tend to be more reasonable than hard working white americans.

i guess it would be poetic justice if the Hillary supporters who feel they have had their candidate’s nomination taken away from them decided to take the presidency away from Obama in the fall. Er, wait that would be petty and childish, not poetic and just. My bad.

SHE HAS COMPLETELY DISTORED THE PROCESS TO WIN ENOUGH DELEGATES TO BECOME THE NOMINEE. BILL IS BLAMING THE MEDIA FOR HER SHOWING IN THE PROCESS. HE HAS A BIG MOUTH AND SHE IS NOTHING BUT A B**CH.

INVOKED THE ASSASINATION THEME, IS SHE HOPES ONE OF
HER SO CALLED WHITE VOTERS WILL KILL HIM. SHE KNOWES
EXACTLLY WHAT SHE SAYS AND WHY SHE SAYS IT. SHE GOT HER MESSAGE ACROSS AND NOW SHE BACK PEDALS AND SAY IT WAS WRONG TO INVOKE SUCH A MESSAGE. HER AND BILL
ARE JUST POWER HUNGRY.

Humm…How did HRC “get away” with uttering the ‘A’ word across the airwaves and internet?

You know, it is pretty sickening how people stalwartly linked to the Clinton campaign refuse to ever see anything she does in a negative light. You people are becoming so unfeeling, detached, resentful and shallow. My goodness. What is wrong with you people?

I love this guy

Clinton has mentioned the assassination scenario 4 times already. Once is a gaff, but 4 times- those are threats.

Coming from a Clinton supporter, very amusing!

Good going. (I’m dripping sarcasm here). Always helps to piss off monkeys and other living things.

Besides, you’ve already voted FOR the monkeys that we have now. What did that get you?

The Olbermann report may have been overdone, especially to those on the fence. Mention the A. word more than once, may not actually be like using the N. word so many times that it actually means nothing.  Except the A word is not just a word to hurt and insult. 

Hillary recruiting for the event in her slimy way, may have only been enhanced by Olbermann, with his added advertising. 

Actually I like what Olbermann has to say, only because I agree with him.

You wonder if anyone has ‘noted’ -Mr. Obama’s- comments.

Have you? I only ‘noted’ one response from SENATOR Obama’s campaign, which was to say (and I paraphrase from memory here) that comments of assassinations had no place in campaign discourse. (or words to that affect).

So, have you heard other comments from Senator Obama that should be ‘noted’? If so, please share them with us as DIRECT QUOTES, and the source from which they came.

Here again, I should remind that aside from Senator’s Obama’s comment about HRC sounding like Annie Oakley, and KNOWING BETTER, his campaign has been remarkably restrained.

And, now that I think about it, is there ANYTHING in Keith Olbermann’s ‘specical comment’ here, that is UNTRUE? In other words, has Mr. Olbermann attributed ANYTHING to HRC in his series of ‘notations’ here, that HRC actually did NOT say or do, and should NOT be attributed to her?

I couldn’t find anything…not in the entire list. The only thing that MIGHT be questionable, is whether or not it was Hillary and/or her campaign that was responsible for the one Rove trick that had Senator Obama in native garb at a traditional African ceremony in I believe Kenya. I’m not sure that it can be proven beyond any reasonable doubt that HRC and/or her supporters were responsible for that, though they certainly capitalized on it.

Otherwise, Keith here, has just put together a list of ALL of the distasteful and low class acts that have been the substance of Hillary’s campaign performance.

Now of course we could just disregard her campaign performance, and maybe look to her ‘experience’ of the past, like her record in the Senate.

Oops. That isn’t gonna help either.

So, this isn’t about Olbermann’s ego. It’s about Hillary’s.

OUTSTANDING post i. Q. and much appreciated. I did in fact note your contribution of the excerpt from Keith’s special comment, so you DO get the credit on that.
I didn’t however, listen to the entire thing until now, though it was posted on my number one news source (truthout.org) as well.

Anyway, I also noted from a comment by Expat yesterday, (and he and I are usually on the same ideological page) that he felt Olbermann had gone over the top. After hearing the ENTIRE special comment, I don’t. Rather, Keith is consistent in his world view, and speaks to exactly the point, one that DOES remain ‘unspoken’ in a traumatized nation, but still is very close to the surface.

And, I think I made that point in an earlier and rather impassioned response of my own…if this assassination comment had no particular meaning or association beyond the logistics of a primary election, then WHY THE HELL DID SHE SAY IT? Why the hell say something – ANYTHING - that any American leader should KNOW could cause offense, or be misinterpreted, or dredge up old wounds, (at a time when we suffer the same)? TO WHAT GAIN, and to what ‘explanation’?

Beyond that though, Olbermann addressed what I feel is the larger picture of disaster that Hillary represents, and as much as promises. This was just ONE of the many, many, similar threats that she has made, or malicious tricks that she has played…to maintain chaos and instability. It’s the favorite tactic of all dictatorships and other authoritarian regimes. It’s terror. It’s divide and disillusion, (a quote from another poster). It’s malicious, bellicose, and belligerent. It appeals to base fears, and yes again, it is TERROR.

For those among us who choose delusion, and prefer to see this as some sort of ‘strength’ it is NOT. Strength is apparent only when one uses it to ‘win’ without destroying the prize. Hillary does the opposite, and she has since the beginning of this. However, in remember so many of the comments posted here over the months, I have to accept that there are those who will never ‘get that’. I’ve heard that ‘Hillary will still be standing after all is over, and how she can deal with any blows that come HER way, and blah, blah, blah.” It never occurs to these folks that it’s hardly an accomplishment for only HILLARY to still be standing, while the rest of us are all crushed and/or thrown to the side of her bulldozing path.

Meantime, on this:

“…A debt which i’ve heard talk of passing on to Obama’s campaign, a move that i would vehemently object to, but that will probably be the price for Hillary to campaign actively for Obama…”

This would be Hillary’s campaign debt of which you speak; the campaign debt that she incurred as a result of her mismanagement of the enormous funds that she began with. She failed to manage those Wall Street contributions because she didn’t plan for a campaign beyond February. She intended to have it clinched by then, because of course she intended to have the nomination from the beginning anyway. She intended that long, long, ago. Any competitors were simply flies to be easily swatted away. Hillary would stop in and say hello along the pre-planned campaign trail, (in the states that ‘mattered’) and the thing would be decided on Super Tuesday. Obama (and his own supporters) were invisible until they began voting.

But, your point about her bail-out (from the Obama campaign) being the condition/price for her active campaigning on behalf of Obama is probably true. At least that’s what I would have grudgingly admitted before this last attack. Now I have to wonder if there can really be anything at all gained from any future campaigning that HRC or her husband might do. I’d rather spend the money to send her away. Far away..so there might be a chance for some healing.

ANYone who thinks for a nano-second that Hillary was talking about anything except primaries frequently going into June or indeed to the convention (Teddy was behind 750 pledged delegates) is in Cloud-Cuckoo Land.
It’s sickening that this kind of odious olbermanniacal nonsense gains any traction. Get a grip.

Just for a reality-check, if you’re one of the delusional who is on a hyena howl of lunatic outrage, I can guarantee you that you are 100% hallucinating. So you might gauge your frantic spittle-spewing rancor against that certain knowledge & look in the mirror & see that your ancient reptilian brain is deceiving you in a frightening way.

Poor rancid Mr. Olbermann has devolved to, as they would put it in the 16th c., re-eating his own vomit.

If TruthDig read their own comments they would have noticed that i posted an excerpt from Olbermann’s Special Comment yesterday under Eugene Robinson’s article, and that i deserve credit for the tip, but i guess i’m just being egomaniacal.

Speaking of “chest-pounding” egomaniacs, Keith is just my kind. i suggest to CJ that Keith has been fairly restrained up until this whole assassination quotation. But someone has to finally call “bulls#!t” on the bulls#!t that Hillary utters on a now daily basis, and Olbermann is the first. i have been utterly astounded at the way in which the pundits marvel at each new nugget of truthiness (registered trademark of Stephen Colbert) which she utters.

Chris Matthews seems to literally start salivating when she changes a metric here, moves a goalpost there. He is absolutely in love with bulls#!t, the bigger the lie, the greater the politician in his esteem. i don’t know if anyone else noticed, but after the first chastising of the media for using the gaffes and poor politics of the pre-“Kitchen Sink” Hillary campaign against her, and especially after the Pennsylvanians-are-bitter remarks, Matthews began gobbling up the bold-faced lie, bobbing his chin against her testicular fortitude and has been almost combative about Obama’s chances in the fall. In other words, he now thinks she’s the stronger candidate and he’s not afraid to show it. This is the same guy who 6 months ago openly wept at the thought of Barack Obama having the nomination taken from him in a hypothetical superdelegate situation. The guy’s all over the map.

i find it a refreshing change of pace to see Keith call it like he sees it. i think the most useful part of his Special Comment was the list of Hillary’s 18 other triangulations, missteps, and gaffes. It is a road-map for all you sexist-media conspiracy theorists to look at and hopefully see that it is your candidate who has made the mistakes which have left her campaign in second place.

i know it’s a lot easier to believe that an invisible force is working to undermine your efforts than to accept that a bunch of unrelated individuals — your equals — collectively and independently disagree with you.

The Obama campaign has been nothing but gracious and polite to Sen. Clinton echoing the sentiment shared by a lot of his supporters, including me, that she has every right to stay in the race. By all means, she can loan herself as much money as she wants, but make no mistake, when you log on to HillaryClinton.com to donate your dollars, you are paying down her mismanaged campaign debt. A debt which i’ve heard talk of passing on to Obama’s campaign, a move that i would vehemently object to, but that will probably be the price for Hillary to campaign actively for Obama.

So enough with the hysterics and the specious arguments that the losing candidate should be the winner. According to primary and caucus results, there are more of us than there are of you. That’s how winning works. So give us a break on the martyrdom and tell your candidate that as your representative she needs to comport herself with class and dignity, that she should use the money you give her constructively and not destructively, and that she shouldn’t be throwing the image of assassination around lightly.

Come on guys, i thought there’d be a lot more self-righteous indignation on this one! Where does Olbermann get off telling “our girl” to stop talking about assassinations while describing her campaign’s rationale for staying in the race? It is not only 100% appropriate to be inserting that idea into the discussion, it turns out to be necessary. As George Santayana said, “those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” Here is just another case where Hillary is doing the hard work so we don’t have to. Now that she has reminded us that “young and promising” is dangerous and sometimes gets shot in June while running for President, (and then reminded us yet a third time on Friday), she can rest assured that no such incident will occur because, through her personal sacrifice, we have learned our history.

Thank you, Hillary, for delivering us from the specter of politically charged murder.

Why do people emulate the same behaviors they most criticize?

Why do people who are hypercritical of “mega-media outlets” seem to be experts who watch the stuff all the time?

Why do people ascribe authenticity and honor to those who share their same opinions, and disparage the character and integrity of those who do not?

Your comment deserves a resounding “BOOM!”

(just so we’re clear, that has a negative connotation in this context)

Except that last night, Keith went with the “shrinking-violet” flow, disgracefully enough, I thought. He’s claimed Hillary’s a friend of his, which doesn’t seem to stop him from grossly unfairly assailing her at just about every opportunity. (That “Special Comment” regarding Obama in connection with actually righteous Reverend Wright was never written, much less spouted off, apparently.) Then, when she appeared on his program, he was epitome of non-confrontational. Why she last agreed to appear is beyond me. And why doesn’t she blast him back? We know why. Last night he made proverbial mountain of molehill along with everyone else in mainstream. As his own face turned “shrinking violet” during tantrum over Hillary’s remark re other Kennedy assassination. A few minutes before his latest commentary, he made mention of Dobbs “turning purple” the previous night (Thursday), when Dobbs lost HIS temper with a guy as boneheaded as himself. (I happened to catch both Dobbs and Olbermann turning purple on respective occasions.)

In general at MSNBC, it’s just easier to attack those at other mega-media outlets than offer up any kind of useful commentary on topic at hand—whether disastrous NAFTA, economy in general, or much of anything else. Bad as CNN and Fox are, they’re both far better than infantile MSNBC.

Hypocrisy has grown indescribably tiresome on the part of all these mega-media desk-monkeys, most all of whom seem more concerned with egotistical chest-pounding than with anything else.

Olbermann lost it, as I kinda thought he would eventually, what with considerable ego well-known to those of us from his years at Fox Sports and ESPN. Now silly tirade about how Clinton finally went too far, etc. What nonsense. Since when did anyone running for president go too far? There is no such thing as going too far when running for office in this country. Candidates are like trial lawyers who well know they can say anything until the judge instructs the jury to ignore comments. Well, except for Barack Obama, perhaps the most careful candidate in American history. So careful is he, he’s never said anything, except for claim he didn’t really know of Wright’s “radical” point of view—after 20 years attending the guy’s church. (Personally, I have no problem with Wright’s positions.)

Not that Clinton and McCain are better. They’re not. Still, Clinton, whatever anyone thinks, has had to do battle in a way even Obama hasn’t had to, what with being female of the species. Goes without saying that media is in denial about that reality too.

In the event any candidate does say something of not much import (meaning of a gossipy nature), guys like Olbermann, Matthews, Dobbs and O’Reilly, and host of others in blabber-mouth radio, are all over them about it, while sub-hosts go even more with the flow. ‘Cept for Buchannan and Larry O’Donnell, both of whom refuse to be bought off, though both mostly serve as more-or-less eccentric color, like John Madden on MNF.

Speaking of whom, Keith might just as well have cited Madden by shouting, “BOOM!,” for all his long-winded commentary was worth. At least sanctimonious tirade would have been more brief.

Seriously, what was the point? Beyond appearing PC and promoting Obama? This isn’t the war on Iraq, Mr. Olbermann, but typically down-and-dirty campaigning on the part of all still vying. Not to say I actually think Hillary meant anything more than once again having to defend herself against Joe Blowhards who keep telling her to get out of the damn way. By now I think I’d vote for her just to piss off monkeys.

Hillary has mentioned the assassination scenario too many times for this current “misstatement” to be an unintended mistake. The b*tch is angry at being usurped by an upstart who won’t wait his turn. I don’t hold any hope in Obama given the psychopaths running his inner circle. But it does make clear the caliber of the leadership of this country. I don’t think the Soviet Politburio was ever so blatant. Stock up on storable food and guns. You’ll need them.

I think we see now what a liberal George Bush administration might look like.

An administration that looks beyond the rule of law, that sets aside the constitution in the pursuit of power to accomplish a single-minded philosophy.

George Bush’s was based on a warped interpretation of the bible and religious conservative views.

Hillary’s would be based on the pursuit of power and prestige.  Perhaps in the realization of conservative’s worst fears—that of a forced policy of government “help”, without regard to the opinions and desires of the individual’s being helped.

We’d get helpful programs and policies “rammed” down our throat.  New Health care, social security reform, etc.

Those that oppose those policies, whether they be republican or democrat would be branded “traitors” to the “cult of hillary”. 

Perhaps the constitution set aside, building on the precedence of our current president.

First and foremost, we need a president that is respectful of the constitution, respectful of dissent.  One that pushes for solutions, not necessarily their solution.  One that knows when to fight, and knows when to compromise.  Not someone that refuses to do either.

Mike

Wow, what a great commentary!  It really lays bare Clinton’s ambition over ethics.  Her behavior shows a pattern, and with her intelligence you know it can’t be all mistakes. She knows the deeper implications of her words, these aren’t one time missteps, but repeated talking points. Olbermann is right, this isn’t the faux-controversy some make it out to be, its unbelievably low and shameful.  She’s lost the last ounce of respect I had for her.  Its time for America to move on from Hillary Clinton.