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By PatrickHenry, May 22, 2008 at 4:39 pm Link to this comment
Just because your paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you.
By PatrickHenry, May 22, 2008 at 4:07 pm Link to this comment
I bet after Barrack made that statement he got layed that night.
He knows well enough that with her credentials she can say and do alot and hasn’t too much concern of the political ramifications (minor as they are) which become of them.
She is head and shoulders more able to co-lead this nation better than the rich, secretive and not so smart waif of McCain.
By dihey, May 22, 2008 at 10:41 am Link to this comment
Thanks for your warning Sue. Judging from my experience at the Democratic caucus that I attended here in Texas I was already fully prepared for vituperation from folks a few of whom now threaten that “there will be riots in the streets if Obama does not get the nomination”! To me that sounds like threats from the brown shirts at the time when my family, including this 6-year old, fled from Germany to Holland in 1933. Cyrena’s nonsense is mild stuff but she’s wrong. “Limelight” is the crucial ingredient of my posting. Cyrena did not get it. I do not have to be informed of what Michelle tells Barak privately. However, when she, or for that matter any other ‘important’ person (are you listening Cyrena, sweetie?)utters nonsense or lies on TV or the air waves, they are as I said fair game. Since when is there some imaginary protected reservation for persons from which they can publicly spout nonsense or lies with impunity?
By Sue Cook, May 22, 2008 at 8:30 am Link to this comment
Even though I don’t feel the need or necessity of having to answer to you, I will make an exception this once.
You mention John Edwards son that was killed?
He wasn’t campaigning for his father, so why would you mention him which has nothing to do with the post? What’s your point?
You want other surrogates of other presidential runs that have been in the media spot-light making statements that were or were not “fair game”?
Ok, I’ll play. How about Elizabeth Edwards when her husband was in the run for both president and vice president? And Teresa Heinz Kerry campaigning for her husband John. She was in the news all the time making statements that more than once could have put her husband’s run in jeopardy. And let’s bring it a little more current, how about both Bill and Chelsea Clinton campaigning for Hillary? Look at all the controverey those two brought up. Did you hear Hillary crying and warning the press that they were off limits? No you didn’t, anything they said was defended by them. They’re all grown up and unlike poor Michelle, they took matters in their own hands!
So, you have a right to your own opinion, and that’s fine that you feel Barack defending his wife is just, but as you can see, myself, and, I’m sure lots others feel what we originally posted that, “IF SHE IS ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL, WHAT SHE SAYS IS FAIR GAME, PERIOD!
That’s politics for you whether you like it or not!
Also, you imply that because Barack is black that that’s where my negativity comes from?
You’re wrong. I’m not a racist. I like Barack. I’m not voting for him, but that my dear is for me to say, and just because you don’t agree with it, don’t mean that my “opinion” is not worthy of posting.
I understand that we are both passionate about our choice for president, but, let’s just add our comments and opinions without the anger and name-calling. Shall we?
Have a good day.
By cyrena, May 21, 2008 at 1:33 pm Link to this comment
Not so much thin skinned at all sue cook. I think the thing that people like you fail to understand is your own double standards on these things, and your interpretation.
The example here is very clear. While you and your buds like to make statements like ‘quit whining’ I don’t see it as a whine at all.
I interpret it as exactly what he said, which is “Lay off my wife”. And, that’s what he meant. Why should HE (or anyone else running for the office) put up with that shit when it DOES NOT, (despite what you claim) routinely occur.
I asked you before to give me some specific examples of when the spouses or children or other family members of prominent politicians are routinely attacked, and of course you’ve not been able to do that.
I can think of many examples myself, when nosey journalists or the public may have attempted, once…to make an issue on a political figures misfortune or whatever, and they always nip it right in the bud, by claiming their ‘privacy’.
John Edwards and his wife lost a son some time back, and I don’t know the specific details of it. But when folks have attempted to pry, (as ugly Americans do) they’ve respectfully told them to BACK OFF, and I believe they have the right to that respect.
Bush has done the same thing, and we know how secretive Cheney is. (since there’s a whole lot wrong is his whacked out web).
So, the problem with you is your double standards. When it’s Obama the black guy, then everything is fair game, including whatever you people can make up. When it’s anyone else, then it’s attacks.
You can’t have it both ways.
Meantime, we aren’t ‘lurking’ here at all. We’re right out front and in your hypocritical faces.
By Sue Cook, May 21, 2008 at 12:40 pm Link to this comment
Although I agree with your statement, I feel compelled to warn you of the thin-skinned, ready-to-pounce Obama supporters that lurk in this site, that will rip your head off for daring to say such a thing!
By psmealey, May 21, 2008 at 11:42 am Link to this comment
By dihey, May 21, 2008 at 11:30 am Link to this comment
As long as Michelle Obama makes political statements in the limelight she is fair game for attacks. Stop whining Barack.
By cyrena, May 21, 2008 at 6:31 am Link to this comment
And that much is true Louis. You WILL have at least done something, which is seems like, (just from you posting here) you already have.
By louis stroud, May 21, 2008 at 5:00 am Link to this comment
all this is good reading, however it is still the same old thing, americans venting, instead of doing something about the problem, the problem you ask? campaign contributons, or more correctly, bribes, remember the 450k the chinese were going to give gore?, the republicans got wind of it and then gore gave it back, and then after the bush bums got in, the chinewe bbecame favorite trading partners,ha-ha-ha-ha. now there is a wool over the eyes thingy,as long as we let anyone get away with this stuff,they will keep dong it in spades, i was crossing the canadian border just as the iran contra thing was breaking and i wanted to cover my license plate with mud,and now i’m embarassed to call myself an american,because i haven’t done anything about the bribery in american politics! the only thing i can do is vote for barack obama, whether he wins or not i will have at least said something.
By PatrickHenry, May 21, 2008 at 3:23 am Link to this comment
You scare too easily.
If your as fickle as whether or not you will vote for someone because you do not understand their wives “American” comments, you should stay home and use the duct tape the Bush administration told you to use.
By cyrena, May 21, 2008 at 12:40 am Link to this comment
This is real typical for you, and your well established history, (at least on this thread) of double and triple standards for all.
But, just out of curiosity in your ‘fair game strategy’ for all that is evil and reprehensible in human behavior (and you seem to simply DELIGHT in it) tell me who ELSE in politics has been so overwhelmingly persecuted, besides Hillary Clinton?
And yes, I would agree that she has been widely hated (sometimes without reason, and sometimes with very legitimate reason) for at least 20 years.
But, putting her aside, can you tell me of anyone else ‘in politics’ that that has been subjected to this ‘meaness’ that seems to just really make your day? Just a few names would be good enough, and I’m speaking of what you call the ‘surrogates’. The spouses, the children, etc, etc.
Let us know what you come up with. I’m sure you’ve kept track of all the dirt and comments on all of them.
Oh, by-the-way, ‘running for office of any level’ GENERALLY INVOLVES ‘other people.’
By cyrena, May 21, 2008 at 12:27 am Link to this comment
Doghouse, first…speak for yourself, and maybe you should ‘explain’ who and what you mean by Michelle Obama ‘scaring’ people.
She doesn’t ‘scare’ me at all, but I am very curious as to why she would ‘scare’ anyone else. Is it the honesty?
I really am curious. And no, ‘loose cannon’ doesn’t quite cut it for an explanation.
“Loose cannon’ is far more representative of any presidential candidate who would threaten to “obliterate” a nation of 70 million people. Now THAT is a loose cannon.
So, don’t go there with your explanation, but rather give us a clue to how or why Michelle Obama ‘scares’ people.
By cyrena, May 21, 2008 at 12:22 am Link to this comment
You’re a smart guy Patrick Henry.
Very perceptive I might add.
By cyrena, May 21, 2008 at 12:21 am Link to this comment
You’re just SO FULL of shit JD Palsgraaf. Did you even bother to WATCH the viedo?
I didn’t particularly like the way that Michelle Obama PRAISED Hillary Clinton, because I don’t think there’s a damn think ‘admirable’ about Mrs. Clinton after her horrific kitchen sink campaign.
Yet, Michelle Obama, (in her ultimate graciousness, because I sure wouldn’t have done it) actually praised and complimented Rodham.
So, let me repeat, you are the MEANSPIITED one…and probably need to be ‘gone after’ yourself. (like maybe with a 5 ton mac truck) People like you are a blight on any attempt at civility.
By doghouse, May 20, 2008 at 10:46 pm Link to this comment
Obama… As a lifelong registered DEMOCRAT, your wife scares people…you did have my vote until her “American” statements.. NOW I wonder!!!
By PatrickHenry, May 20, 2008 at 2:37 pm Link to this comment
If Michele Obama is representative of most black women I know she doesn’t need anyone talking for her, she can defend herself and what she said.
By 4foosball, May 20, 2008 at 12:28 pm Link to this comment
I too could echo the same comments (and have) that Michelle made. The Obama campaign has given me and my wife something to believe in. He may not be perfect, but my heart and my gut are telling me that this guy has the ability to rally all of us and move us in the right direction. I like to hear “It’s not going to be easy, but we’ve got to do something…” mentality coming from Barack. We’ve been led into moral and financial “credit card” debt in this country where we all look the other way at the consequences while we’re having fun now. As far as the “Lay off my wife” is concerned; I’m a father, and that’s exactly the attitude that I have towards anyone going after my wife AND that’s exactly the attitude I will teach my son. IMO this shows me more of Barack’s character and I applaud it!
By Heather, May 20, 2008 at 11:49 am Link to this comment
Michelle love to stump for her husband, fair enough, with that comes responsibility and one of those responsibilities he and his wife have to accept is that people are going to be critical of the life paper trails you leave behind.
If that offends the Obama’s then maybe Michelle should be a Stepford Wife in the mold of Laura Bush
By Sue Cook, May 20, 2008 at 11:08 am Link to this comment
All surrogates on the campaign trail whether for Hillary, Barack or John are FAIR GAME PERIOD for any comments they make.
If they don’t like it, don’t do it!
It’s politics, and politics get real mean sometime.
It may not be pretty, but, who said running for office of any level with other people is pretty?
Get over it, move on and stop WHINNING!
By purplewolf, May 20, 2008 at 9:46 am Link to this comment
When Bush was asked, back around 2000, he was asked something he didn’t like about his personal life(probably his cocaine use) anyway he told the press “we’ll not go there” and they never did again. So I feel it’s fair and just for Obama to tell them the same thing. They need to back off as the GOP and cronies are out of line and desperate and it shows. What will they go after next, his children? Shows the vileness of the Repukelican mindset.
By wasa, May 20, 2008 at 9:38 am Link to this comment
If the American public were truly honest, they might be proclaiming much the same thing as Michele Obama did in her now infamous speech RE: pride in her country. Take a hard look GOP. Please tell me what to be proud of? All I can see is the endless list of things to be ashamed of: Abu Graib, Guantanamo, Iraq, lack of forward momentum on environmental issues, healthcare, stagnant wages, high education costs, corporate greed, etc. When I think of this country’s current position in the world, pride is not something I feel at all. So hang me from the rafters, I lack the appropriate patriotism. But putting your head in the sand and reciting the pledge over and over is not helping matters as far as I’ve been able to discern.
By fred, May 20, 2008 at 9:37 am Link to this comment
It’s called the Jedi Mind trick. “it has been know to work on weak minds” You just say something , no matter how stupid, over and over and the weak minded will believe it. Yo’re gonna see a whole lotta this shit this fall. Besides we all know Mrs Obama is the reason for $4.00 a gal gas.
By J.D. Palsgraaf, May 20, 2008 at 9:03 am Link to this comment
When Michelle Obama chooses to attack Senator Clinton on a personal level with hurtful and vicious remarks about not being able to “keep her own house in order”, she is simply showing that someone NEEDS to “go after her”. Michelle Obama is simply asking for some of her own medicine with her meanspirited remarks and unnecessary personal attacks.
By cyrena, May 20, 2008 at 4:01 am Link to this comment
But Maani, here’s the thing…when the GOP was trying to fry Hillary, (and I particularly remember the bumper stickers AFTER Bill Clinton was elected that shouted Impeach BILLARY) most of us Dems KNEW exactly what that ugliness was all about, and didn’t let it sway us.
Matter of fact, we voted for him AGAIN! Matter of fact, we knew EXACTLY what they were up to, and we didn’t like it a bit, because back then, Hillary hadn’t DONE anything to bother anybody other than the old white racist misogynists, just because Hillary could walk and talk and was smart and involved. Yep…GOP’ers like Bushie Boy…remember how at the beginning of his ‘reign’ he always spoke FOR Laura, and now of course, he doesn’t even do that much, and you see she just looks totally anesthesized all the time, because women are only supposed to be seen (on certain occassions) and not heard, and never supposed to have an opinion of their own. (at least not in the GOP)
So, that’s why Hillary caught so much hell, because she was all over the place. Tell me of any other election when the public has dogged out the wife of the person running for office. They didn’t dog out Laura Bush, and I can’t remember any other one either, not off the top of my head at least.
So, I don’t think your rule 102 applies at all. Dogging out spouses, particularly behind stupid soundbites like this being the first time in her adult life that she was actually PROUD of her country, (I could easily have said he same thing) is NOT a thing to ‘be expected’ for everybody who runs for the office.
And, it only goes to show how truly low class and uncivilized these people are. Unfortunately for Hillary and her team, THEY chose to indulge in THE SAME, and that was really, really, really, STUPID!
Because NOW of course, she and Bill only seem that much MORE like Republicans!!
By Jack, May 20, 2008 at 12:47 am Link to this comment
Clinton has also taken West Virginia
The Democratic race for nomination is still very much alive and most likely to be decided by superdelegates
If youre tired of waiting around for those super delegates to make a decision already, go to LobbyDelegates.com and push them to support Clinton or Obama
If you haven’t done so yet, please write a message to each of your state’s superdelegates at http://www.lobbydelegates.com
Sending a note to current Obama supporters lets them know it’s appreciated, sending a note to current Clinton supporters can hopefully sway them to change their vote to Obama, and sending a note to the uncommitted folks will hopefully sway them to vote for Obama. It’s that easy…
Clinton Supporters too
It takes a moment, but what’s a few minutes now worth to get Clinton in office?! Those are really worth !
Sending a note to current Clinton supporters lets them know it’s appreciated, sending a note to current Obama supporters can hopefully sway them to change their vote to Clinton, and sending a note to the uncommitted folks will hopefully sway them to vote for Clinton. It’s that easy…
By Fadel Abdallah, May 19, 2008 at 10:01 pm Link to this comment
This GOP Ad is all of the below:
Obama is the one who is running for presidency! His wife is neither a running mate nor is she his strategic consultant. To make a big thing about some thing his wife or his preacher said which was not met with approval by some of the vultures out there is indeed irrelevant to say the least.
One’s spouse is someone one sleeps with, have children with, and be intimate with at the personal human level, but that does not mean that both become one and the same. If a husband commits a crime or violates the law, no civilized society would implicate the wife for his failure, nor is a husband persecuted for a crime of his wife.
If candidates are supposed to answer for every shortcoming of all members of their families, then, ideally speaking, we will not find any person fully qualified to run for high office.
Unless the arrogant GOP are going to claim that they are angels sent to earth as a gift to humanity, all this cheap stuff should be irrelevant to the actual issues.
By Louise, May 19, 2008 at 9:33 pm Link to this comment
cyrena, May 19 at 7:18 pm
Re: Right response
“BUT, as my parents have always said, a hard (or ignorant) head, always makes for a soft behind. In other words, if ones own hard headedness or ignorance manages to get ones ass kicked enough times, then one eventually learns to make decisions that will prevent one from losing his/her ass and everything else that one needs to survive in the world.”
Now those are true words of wisdom! I suspect that is exactly why so many have registered as dems and voted for Obama. And I suspect since Bush shows no inclination to start thinking anytime soon, they will turn out and vote for Obama in the general election as well.
But there are always those who pretend great wisdom with comments such as, “Well I am still studying the issues.” And, “I have not made a final decision yet.” And, “My fear is promises will not be kept.” All code for My life is going great and I really don’t have time to pay attention, or much care who wins the election.
And is also a good indication since the primaries are over in most states they probably didn’t vote anyway!
Those are the voters the GOP counts on. Those are the voters who never pay attention and rarely think beyond tomorrow. Those are the voters who jump in the last minute, check out a few sound-bites and having deliberated for twenty or thirty seconds, make a decision. And since they don’t have a clue about much of anything, cause they have not yet been kicked in the Ass, they tend to remember the carefully crafted lies!
And of course the RNC and the GOP and the assorted corrupt and corruptible who lead and follow their lead will devote endless hours to creating lies to throw at them, because that really is the only thing they know how to do.
Well besides cheat and steal and ...
By tres, May 19, 2008 at 9:07 pm Link to this comment
tell you what, i am a supporter of Obama. But watching his wife gives me a bad vibe.
By Maani, May 19, 2008 at 8:48 pm Link to this comment
“If only Bill Clinton had the sense to do this in the 90s, maybe this primary season would have been more fair to the Clinton people.”
Actually, he did. In fact, he said almost EXACTLY the same thing about Hillary - in a remarkably similar interview prior to his 1991 campaign - that Obama said about Michelle: leave my wife out of it.
Needless to say, “they” (i.e., the GOP) did not, and Hillary became just as much a “target” as he was.
Which, Thomas, is Rule 102 in politics: like it or not, you can expect that, in a general election campaign for the presidency, your spouse is going to be “used” in an attempt to damage your campaign.
By cyrena, May 19, 2008 at 8:18 pm Link to this comment
Here Hear!!! You’ve said it well.
And, I just wanted to add that I believe, (or it is my sense) that the majority of folks are gonna do, (or have already decided to do) exactly what you’ve suggested.
Now I admit that’s just my own sense, and I have the advantage of living in a progressive community, where folks have pretty much already decided to blow off these trashy tactics.
If anything, Senator Clinton’s campaign of dirty tricks got that part of it out of the way early, and now that Barack has put the GOP on notice, they really DO need to think long and hard about this, because they aren’t dealing with John Kerry this time around.
But, my point was that I believe that the majority of Americans who are paying the least bit of attention, are less concerned about the BS than they are about the matters that concern their own survival, which is the point that Michelle Obama made.
So, since these cheap tricks have already backfired, that should be a heads up for what the GOP that the shit isn’t going to fly, and could end up biting them in the ass, just as it did Hillary.
I’m not ignoring what Thomas Billis said about these people voting for Bush twice. That much is true, and can’t be ignored. BUT, as my parents have always said, a hard (or ignorant) head, always makes for a soft behind. In other words, if one’s own hard headedness or ignorance manages to get one’s ass kicked enough times, then one eventually learns to make decisions that will prevent one from losing his/her ass and everything else that one needs to survive in the world.
Now of course there are those who have not learned that yet, and therefore probably never will. OTOH, there are those who like things just as they are, and will of course vote to keep things that way. (McCain McSame). However, when we do even a rough sort of calculation, we will find those very much in the minority. All we have to do is count the haves and the have nots. And, there are several million MORE have nots now, than there were when they stupidly voted twice for Dick Bush, which is what turned them into have nots.
So, if any of these brand new have nots take just a moment to figure out that they became that way thanks to their foolish choices of 8 and 4 years ago, they might decide that being homeless and hungry and jobless, and all the rest of that, isn’t so great, and they’ll decide to correct their own lots.
Just a hope.
By Thomas Billis, May 19, 2008 at 7:12 pm Link to this comment
Rule 101 in politics if you have nothing to run on you run against.The only way that stuff works depends on the intelligence of the American public.Oh my God they voted for Bush twice.
By jbart, May 19, 2008 at 6:11 pm Link to this comment
Barack is totally right to defend his wife against the attacks being thrown her way. Her “I’m finally proud of my country” is absolutely clear, at least to this voter. We (the country) are finally facing and voting on the issues that are truly important to the American public, at large. To suggest that these comments indicate an “un-American” attitude is just more of the the Repugs propaganda. If you’re not with me then you MUST be against me mentality still dominates the scene. Been there, heard that, and IT JUST DOESN’T FLY” anymore. You,and I, need to wake up to the planned, by them, America!! Smell the coffee/flowers, and vote your hearts!! Ignore the ads, MSM B.S., and vote with your heads and hearts. Please do you best to perform your respective responsibilities to your country and “take back” America from those that want/plan to destroy it as a World power/entity.
By Aegrus, May 19, 2008 at 4:02 pm Link to this comment
If only Bill Clinton had the sense to do this in the 90s, maybe this primary season would have been more ‘fair’ to the Clinton people.
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