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Posted on May 19, 2008

Hezbollah was the obvious winner of the recent fighting in Lebanon, but the conflict reflected a broader trend in the Middle East. For all of President Bush’s bluster, Iran is stronger and more influential than when he took office.

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By THE MANGEMEISTER, May 22, 2008 at 8:51 pm Link to this comment

Howard most people at Truthdig are not insane with hatred for Israel.You just seem to be so paranoid of any criticism of Israel,get used to it.

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By Howard, May 22, 2008 at 8:03 pm Link to this comment

Russ,
  Your comments are on the right track. No matter what the topic most writers here are insane with their hatred of Israel.  Hezballah can destroy Lebanon as we know it at the behest of Iran and it is Israel’s fault.  The sun comes up in the East and its Israel’s fault. etc.

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By mrmb, May 22, 2008 at 6:26 pm Link to this comment
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Russ,

I think u miss the obvious. Israel is hated, despised (whatever term u wish to use) globally by the great majority of people.

We are the only and sole country / power that provides them with the necessary, political, military, intelligence, financial / economic, technological, and muscle at the UN and other organizations to sustain them.

Without us, Israel will cease to exist without firing a single bullet.

Take a look at the history of our UN votes in the security council and general assembly. You will find out that Israel and USA are on one side and the rest of the planet on the other side.

Russ, thats called world public opinion, I know in your book its worthless, not in mine, since it impacts us.

As far as the US is concerned we should stop interfering in other peoples affairs and shove our consumer values and corporate solutions down their throats. Instead we should focus on trade / commerce, cultural / scientific / technological exchange, help the poor countries build their educational, health, irrigation, and other infrastructure and etc…., then you will see how we will be appreciated and admired in this world for doing the right thing.

As far as hezbollah is concerned, they at a minimum represent the shiites that just by themselves are the largest sect in lebanon. Add to that the support they enjoy from various christian, sunni, druze, leftist, nationalist parties and force and you get a very substantial majority.

In the recent outbreak of violence they and their allies could have totally taken control of the government and either thrown the march 14 leaders in prison or put them on a plane to israel, where they actually belong.

However, they didnt do that. They ended up going to Qatar and negotiated with their political adversaries and reached a power sharing agreement during negotiations.

Now, why is it that the US can arm israel to the teeth and provide them with all sorts of WMD capability and support its murderous actions against a defenseless palestinian population (that has nothing) for all these years but Iran and Syria and for that matter anyone else are chastized for supporting the local forces that have popular support and fight for their legitimate rights.

Thats why I posed those questions the other day as I sense that you apply one rule to US and a different rule to others. I also think that you subscribe to the notion that we can go around and do as we please and if others dont like it they can go and f*** themselves.

I dont share that view. Unless you can show me that its in the bible!!!

Hope that helps.

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By mrmb, May 21, 2008 at 7:06 pm Link to this comment
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Gentlemen,

Lets step back a minute and catch our breadth.

I would like to pose a few questions to Russ and those who think like him.

1- Are we the USA, permitted / allowed to intervene in other peoples affairs under any and all circumstances?

2- Since you pointed out that you speak with Iranians in cafes and other places and know they hate the mullahs, would u kindly explain how these Iranians feel about US / British overthrow of their government in 1953? Perhaps as Jimmy Carter pointed out that is ancient history.

3- What do u think is the point of reference in US-Iranian relations? Embassy takeover or the 1953 coup?

4- Please explain to all of us what were the ramifications of that coup?

5- Please explain to all of us what is your opinion on the bloody overthrow of Salvador Allende in Chile in 1973? And what were the ramifications of that bloody and murderous coup?

Should I list a few more of our interventions that cost the local populations in terms of blood (torture, imprisonment, et..), social and political dislocation, economic dislocation, humiliation, and ......

Thanks in advance.

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By cyrena, May 20, 2008 at 8:26 pm Link to this comment

mrmb…

Thanks very much for this expansion into my own understanding of the reality on the ground in the Middle East.

I’m very glad to have a clearer understanding on why this is NOT a sectarian conflict, because I’ve never believed that it was.

Rather, I believe that the imperialist/zionist have done their absolute best to create an alternative reality that paints it that way, and the Western world has remained mostly gullible in accepting that.

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By Phi, May 20, 2008 at 7:26 pm Link to this comment

I think Hezbollah might disagree with you that they have not “won” anything. And Lebanon would definitely disagree with you that they have not “lost” anything.

Whether it is a “shame” or not to talk about the situation in such terms does not change the reality of it. Call it a win, a loss, a strategic victory or defeat, an outmaneuvering, a progression, a coup, a succession or usurping. It makes no difference; it is what it is and the citizens you refer to are certainly no less the losers if discourse on this issue is bogged down in petty semantics and posturing.

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By mrmb, May 19, 2008 at 9:41 pm Link to this comment
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Cyrena,

Good response to Russ. Fair and accurate. I guess we know the mindset of the neo-crazies. They live in a world of fantasy devoid of truth and reality, where up is down, right is wrong, war is peace and etc…..

I do have to say that the issue is not Iran is the winner. Please understand that those who paint these times in sectarian terms are either ignorant or fools.

Iran supports Hezbollah (shiite), Hamas (sunni), Muslim Brotherhood (sunni) supports Iran and the list goes on.

What needs to be understood is that Iran represents change in the muslim world to the dismay of the imperialists / zionists and the entire political establishment in the area is an imperialist / zionist front.

Thats why in the muslim world by all accounts Hezbollah is admired and emulated, thats why Hassan Nasrollah is looked upon as a hero from south east asia to north africa (ask Robert Fisk!!!).

Once again this is not a sectarian conflict. But our zionist media and zionist pundits would love to feed us that junk.

As for Iran, the moment they abdicate their mission they will loose their position in the muslim world / third world and will be replaced by another force carrying the banner.

Iran is performing a historical task long overdue in the muslim world / third world, thats why the imperialist / zionist front is working overtime to stop it.

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By Thomas Billis, May 19, 2008 at 2:02 pm Link to this comment

As Bush always says"who you gonna believe me or your lying eyes.“The middle east from Clinton almost sealing a deal with Arafat to a tinderbox ready to explode in 8 short years is a testamount to chimpanzee diplomacy.We talk to no one.We bomb everyone.Seems to be the mantra of this administration.I guess peace is an appeasemet to the rapture folks.

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By Fadel Abdallah, May 19, 2008 at 10:31 am Link to this comment

No Winners in Lebanon!

I disagree with this intelligence report in its attempt to focus on winners and losers in Lebanon in particular and the Middle East in general.

The situation in Lebanon and the Middle East is that where everyone is a looser. When there is constant political and military strife, with people being killed and the countries’ infrastructures are being destroyed, it is indeed a shame to talk about winners versus losers. If we have to designate a winner, per se, it’s the merchants of death, the neocolonialists and the war-mongers.

Lebanon, Palestine, Iraq and other countries will only be declared winners when their citizens will achieve national unity and stand united against the conspiracies and intervention of foreign powers.

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By randyha, May 19, 2008 at 7:32 am Link to this comment

The Bush Administartion has been for a while trying to weaken Hezbollah and support Siniora’s gpvernment with money and weapons but Hezbollah was able to take over Beirut. This is similar to what happened in Gaza as again this Administration was supporting Fateh over Hamas.The US also loses in this formula.

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