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Rev. Wright and the Press

Posted on Apr 28, 2008
Rev. Wright

After laying low for some time, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright has been speaking out about the controversy that has tarnished his name. The minister seemed to enjoy this encounter with the press, too many elements of which relied on YouTube to lay out the facts of their stories.

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By ApprxAm, May 11, 2008 at 10:18 pm Link to this comment
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Thanks for your reply and sorry I’m late to get back at ya.

Leadership isn’t, in this case, abstract and idealized.  We can’t afford that, Sir. Whatever the form it either works or it doesn’t. With leaders like Mayor Kilpatrick in Detroit or Sharpe James in Newark, solving none of the problems faced by African-Americans and in the caes of these two, causing more of the, how can leadership of this type be acceptable and how can you simply brush aside the concept by claiming the complexity of a race when that race, in these cities, lead by these ineffective leaders, facing the consequinces they face. I wouldn’t expect you to solve these problems, but you tried to philosophize the problem away with the ideal instead of ideas.

Rev. Wright has every right to speak up, speak out and speak wrong, but I don’t have to like it or keep from speaking out about what I feel are ill-intented reasons for his “tour of redemption”. I’m a black man who cares for his community and don’t care for elites, light on substance and results.  I know he’s done wonders for his community in Chicago because there’s nothing wrong in Chi-town, but isn’t there more “leaders” like him?  What, say you, Sir, are the standards of leadership? Is it what one tries to do or could it be what he actually does?  Can’t blacks demand better than failure?

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By mrmb, May 5, 2008 at 5:21 pm Link to this comment
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here is the link to the list of UN vetoes by US and two other important issues that are interrelated.

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By cyrena, May 3, 2008 at 8:29 pm Link to this comment

While Marshall refuses to acknowledge this fact, and chooses to rationalize it away by criticizing the source of the information, the US gave biological weapons to Saddam Hussein, (mustard gas) and he used them on the Kurds.

To suggest otherwise is simply to continue the lying and denying. What isn’t available in artice posted by Paolo is available a hundreds of other locations and documentaries, so it’s hardly a matter of putting it out there, and hoping that it will stick. It’s more a matter of connecting the dots, instead of ignoring them.

To suggest that this did not occur is the same as denying the Iran-Contra escapades of Ronald Regan. The only question is whether or not we SOLD Saddam the chemicals weapons, or GAVE them to him. Either way…he got the stuff from US!!

For Rus and his obsession with bin Laden (now dead), if you’re really all that interested in the origins of their thought, you need to actually study the stuff from the beginning, and stop with the cherry picking of rhetoric and hysteria, and the so-called ‘teachings’ of OBL.

Go back to Sayeed Qutb, and check out the documentary, “The Power of Nightmares” to get a general feel for this, and stop giving so much attention to an extremist group that exists NOT IN CONJUNCTION WITH, but parallel to others exhibiting the same. You talk as if Osama bin Laden and Zawahiri are acting in some sort of a vacuum and are the ONLY representatives of religious extremism, at the same time failing to acknowledge the nuance that connects political violence with religious extremism, by making your own interpretations of what OBL may or may not have said or written.

•  The Looming Tower: Al-Qaeda and the Road to 9/11

By Lawrence Wright

•  Terror in the Mind of God: The Global Rise of Religious Violence
By Mark Juergensmeyer

•  The Great Terror War
By Richard Falk

That should get you started, and there’s a whole bunch more as well.

Rest assured, you gain no insight on the issues involved by studying the doctrine of Osama bin Laden. al-Qaeda, (as originated by Zawahiri’s ideas and OBL’s money) is but a speck in the entire bucket.

By the way…Osama bin Laden is dead, and he’s never had more than a few hundred ‘followers’ at most.  You’re trying to give this guy a whole bunch more credit than he is due.

Instead of worrying about what OBL has ‘planned’ you should be looking at the White House in the US capitol. You might wanna check out the crazy ass cult of Rev Sun Myung Moon as well.

At this point in time, OBL is the least of your worries.

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By cyrena, May 3, 2008 at 7:55 pm Link to this comment


Thank you for posting this. I for one, am VERY interested.

There is another very lenghty list of resolutions and agreements that WERE adopted, that Isreal has failed to follow through on. The whole collection spells BAD FAITH on the part of Israel as well as the US.

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By Marshall, May 2, 2008 at 11:45 pm Link to this comment

“the Commerce Department had licensed sales of biological agents…”

Para 1: Notice that it doesn’t say “sold”, it says “licensed”.  Huge difference.  And there’s zero evidence that Iraq ever weaponized insecticides.

Para 2: No one has ever confirmed that 1991 report.  And Saddam didn’t use cyanide.

Para 3: Is taken from the liberal Boles opinion piece and offers nothing of substance other than unattributed assertions and innuendo.

Para 4: Saddam never weaponized biological agents, so again: no weapons.

Rus’s point still stand: the U.S. did not supply chemical or biological weapons to Iraq.

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By Marshall, May 2, 2008 at 11:35 pm Link to this comment


The article you posted from 2002 is a rambling, innuendo-laden left-wing opinion piece with unsubstantiated claims and rife with inaccuracies.  It’s approach is to throw everything at the premise and hope something sticks - incorporating unrelated issues like the USS Vincennes alleged cover up, questionable “military uniforms” sent to Iraq, and Kuwait conspiracy theories.  It relies on such solid sources as “one veteran” and “other sources”, and it engages in the deceptive tactic of quoting from different sources out of context, and grouping them together to make an argument that none of the individual sources actually made.  It’s a poorly written piece of sensationalism worthy of  Not helpful to your argument.

Here are some important facts to note:

1) Chemicals exported legally to Iraq (of which there were very little) did not constitute weapons, and there is no evidence Saddam ever weaponized any chemicals he acquired from the United States.

2) There is absolutely no evidence Saddam ever used biological weapons, or even successfully weaponized any biological materials whatsoever, though he made attempts.

3) It’s a tenent of those who opposed the war that Saddam didn’t possess WMD, so it’s difficult to make the case that he armed himself with such weapons from the U.S. to begin with.

As to your libertarian isolationist view of the world, it’s as idealistic and naive as that of liberals who believe that making nice to everyone will result in goodwill towards the U.S..  There’s no historical evidence that isolationism results in peace - quite the contrary.

And while I can’t confirm your claim that Bin Laden has a non-aggression policy toward Switzerland, perhaps it wouldn’t be surprising given the country’s role in helping to finance AQ:

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By ApprxAm, May 2, 2008 at 11:03 pm Link to this comment
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Hood…Obama has a lot to over come to win this thing.  A former VP Candidate uses his race to make a point and the Clintonistas claims she smeared as racist w/o cause.

Bill Clinton uses race codes in SC after his stunning win, and they claim Obama’s using the race card and that blacks are playing indentity politics. Funny how blacks were’nt accused of that when it was assuned the he “wasn’t black enough”. It’s all too apparent that he is. Except for the poor leadership and direction of black officials, slavery and jimcrow, the most dangerous ideology to blacks has been redemptive liberals policy implementations of the last forty years. It is these people who have implied that blacks have betrayed the party for not supporting the Clintons. I do not trust Democrats and this race exhibits why I’m guarded.

That said, nothing should take away from the impressive support given Mr. Obama.  This is a sign of progress that I, as a black man, can use to send my son into a world with a hopeful and positive outlook. But we must remember from where this comes.
1) Young, educated whites from states whicch contact and historical competition with black don’t exist.
2) Educated, moderate suburbanites tired of the current administration’s incompetence.
3) Those who don’t trust a Clinton, Bill or Hill or Bushites (McCain).

To quote a great American: I have never felt more proud of my country than now.(paraphrased)

Mr. Obama’s travails should have been expected, but I beleive he can be the new image of the end of black incompetence in leadership.

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By Alex, May 2, 2008 at 7:43 pm Link to this comment
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Wright looks like Grandpa Simpson to me. Anyone else see the resemblance?

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By Paolo, May 2, 2008 at 7:10 pm Link to this comment

You can do a little research to verify this. You can start with There are plenty other sources, including many cited in the above article.

Now, some may quibble that we perhaps didn’t sell chemical “WEAPONS” to Iraq in the 1980’s, but only the materials necessary to make them. This is a distinction without a difference, giving immoral politicians “plausible deniability.” Don’t fall for that one, folks.

I listened to large portions of Wright’s Palm Sunday Sermon on—of all places—the Glenn Beck radio show. Actually, he made a lot of sense. The themes of the sermon were: “God and Government are not the same thing,” and “thou canst not criticize the mote in thy neighbor’s eye, when thou hast a beam in thine own.”

Wright described how hypocritical it is to denounce terrorists, when our government conducts terrorism in the form of napalm bombings (and many other examples). In this, Wright is 100 percent correct.

Of course, a few of his ideas are loony, like the urban legend of AIDS being a US government invention, an idea for which he, like everyone else making this claim, offers zero evidence.

Osama, by the way, has said in his radio addresses that Al-Qaeda does not attack Switzerland. Why would they? He has stated many times that the reason for the attacks against America is America’s meddling in foreign affairs.

As a libertarian, I follow the Founder’s sound advice to “avoid entangling alliances” and “stay out of the petty squabbles of the globe.”

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By mrmb, May 2, 2008 at 2:19 pm Link to this comment
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I know it seems off the subject but believe me they are all tied together!!!

What are the lessons to be Learned From at least 66 U.N. Resolutions Israel has Ignored up to this date?

I suggest that we invade Israel, destroy its racist government and replace it it with a true democracy.

Sorry, I meant Israel should invade the US since we need permissions from our true masters the Israelis to invade them.

Here is a list of UN security council vetoes by US in support of Israel, and its only from 1972 onwards.

Those of you who are interested should get a complete list of vetoes by US in support of South Africa’s goverment and other criminal governments we supported and continue to support. Its eye opening.

U.S. Vetoes of UN Resolutions Critical of Israel

Vetoes: 1972-1982
Subject Date & Meeting US Rep Casting Veto Vote
Palestine: Syrian-Lebanese Complaint. 3 power draft resolution 2/10784 9/10/1972 Bush 13-1, 1
Palestine: Examination of Middle East Situation. 8-power draft resolution (S/10974)  7/2/1973 Scali 13-1, 0 (China not partic.) 
Palestine: Egyptian-Lebanese Complaint. 5-power draft power resolution (S/11898)  12/8/1975 Moynihan 13-1, 1
Palestine: Middle East Problem, including Palestinian question. 6-power draft resolution (S/11940)  1/26/1976 Moynihan 9-1,3 (China & Libya not partic.) 
Palestine: Situation in Occupied Arab Territories. 5-power draft resolution (S/12022)  3/25/1976 Scranton 14-1,0
Palestine: Report on Committee on Rights of Palestinian People. 4-power draft resolution (S/121119)  6/29/1976 Sherer 10-1,4
Palestine: Palestinian Rights. Tunisian draft resolution. (S/13911)  4/30/1980 McHenry 10-1,4
Palestine: Golan Heights. Jordan draft resolution. (S/14832/Rev. 2)  1/20/1982 Kirkpatrick 9-1,5
Palestine: Situation in Occupied Territories, Jordan draft resolution (S/14943)  4/2/1982 Lichenstein 13-1,1
Palestine: Incident at the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem. 4-power draft resolution 4/20/1982 Kirpatrick 14-1, 0
Palestine: Conflict in Lebanon. Spain draft resolution. (S/15185)  6/8/1982 Kirpatrick 14-1,0
Palestine: Conflict in Lebanon. France draft resolution. (S/15255/Rev. 2)  6/26/1982 Lichenstein 14-1
Palestine: Conflict in Lebanon. USSR draft resolution. (S/15347/Rev. 1, as orally amended)  8/6/1982 Lichenstein 11-1,3
Palestine: Situation in Occupied Territories, 20-power draft resolution (S/15895)  8/2/1983 Lichenstein 13-1,1

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By KombatRock, May 1, 2008 at 6:33 am Link to this comment
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This is off topic but I cannot let the assertion go by (from Rus7355) that the US did NOT sell chemical weapons to Iraq:
“Congressional investigations after the Gulf War revealed that the Commerce Department had licensed sales of biological agents, including anthrax, and insecticides, which could be used in chemical weapons, to Iraq.” -CBS News

“on July 3, 1991, the Financial Times reported that a Florida company run by an Iraqi national had produced cyanide—some of which went to Iraq for use in chemical weapons—and had shipped it via a CIA contractor.”

According to a New York Times article in August, 2002, Col. Walter P. Lang, a senior defense intelligence officer at the time, explained that D.I.A. and C.I.A. officials “were desperate to make sure that Iraq did not lose” to Iran. “The use of gas on the battlefield by the Iraqis was not a matter of deep strategic concern,” he said. One veteran said, that the Pentagon “wasn’t so horrified by Iraq’s use of gas.” “It was just another way of killing people _ whether with a bullet or phosgene, it didn’t make any difference.”

Reports by the US Senate’s committee on banking, housing and urban affairs—which oversees American exports policy—reveal that the US, under the successive administrations of Ronald Reagan and George Bush Sr, sold materials including anthrax, VX nerve gas, West Nile fever germs and botulism to Iraq right up until March 1992, as well as germs similar to tuberculosis and pneumonia. Other bacteria sold included brucella melitensis, which damages major organs, and clostridium perfringens, which causes gas gangrene.

So Rus7355, you probably would like to think that the US wouldnt do such a thing, but you have been misinformed sir.

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By Not Hoodwinked, April 30, 2008 at 11:23 pm Link to this comment
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Yes, I think you’re onto something. I’ve been trying to figure out why this guy, Wright, would act out like he did at the Press Club. Poor Barack - between the Black power structure, the Clintonista hunta, White conservatives who would still rather run against Clinton (no matter what they’re saying) & some of the media owned by Jewish folks who are ‘scared to death’ of him, I’m surprised he has survived this long. Really a testament that Americans wanted something different and that his initial message was the right one.  Unfortunately, this Wright thing may be ‘the straw that broke the camel’s back.’ This guy definitely needed to stick to ‘tending his flock.’

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By mrmb, April 30, 2008 at 4:34 pm Link to this comment
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Actually Rev. Wright is right. I am very impressed by him. Wish him the best. I wish Obama had his balls.

Our corporations under the auspices of our governement provided Iraq with all the chemical and biological markers. The list of European and American Companies involved in the transfer has been well documented and published in the past.

Our governement not only facilitated the transfer of technology but encouraged Iraq to use the chemical weapons against Iran and her allies the Kurds.

Thats why the Reagan administration never protested a single criminal act performed by its lackey and ally Saddam. They actually went all out in the political and propaganda front and portrayed Iran as the aggressor and killed any motion in the Security council. Just go back and check the facts for urself.

The Reagan administration was packed with war criminals not to mention the current administration.

As far as Black suffering goes. I am actually amazed that my fellow white countrymen have the audacity, duplicity, hypocracy to get upset, outraged and angered at black folks who have legitimate anger, and grievences of the massive criminal treatment of their ancestors and themselves in this country at the hands of our ancestors and some of our fellow white citizens to date.

Some of you outraged white boys and girls should show the same level of anger, outrage at the zionist / jewish organizations that have deafened the planet with their cries everytime anyone utters any criticism of jews or Israel.

The last point, come off your high horse and smell the rose. We are not the moral leaders of this world. Who the hell elevated us to that level. Based on what criteria?

Oooooops let me see, because we are a DEMOCRACY!!!!! Well South Africa was also a sorta democracy for the white folks and an evil apartheid system for the colored people which we and Israel fully supported with no shame.

Israel is a democracy for the jews and an evil apartheid system for arabs - muslims which we blindly suport and kill and invade on her behalf.

So, do me a favor get educated, open your eyes and see our role in the world as it truely is.

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By archeon of thrace, April 30, 2008 at 2:50 pm Link to this comment

FF - is there a difference between the white american experience and the black american experience?

I would claim that because to the connection to enslavement and the later segregation there are actual cultural differences between white and black americans (in their view and interpretation of history, even as to the “facts” of history).  Just as there is a difference between Native american culture and white and/or black american culture.

A case in point: the american revolution did not free a single black man.  It was a war of independance for rich white guys.  It did nothing for women, blacks, indians or anyone who was not a white western european male.

As for speaking for a “people”, I did not get that from R.Wrights speaches of late.  What I did see was a man explaining how he thinks and why he thinks that way.

To try to claim there is no black culture, black leadership, black anger, black history, would be as silly as claiming there is no black race in the USA.

There is a divide between the white race and the other “coloured” races in america.  Obama’s facile and flacid call for change for changes sake will do nothing to advance the debate or understanding between and among the races.  It will not heal the old angers and hurts, it will not lead us on the road to redemption and peace.  Only an honest confrontation with history and the facts of today’s race relationships can do that.

Having said that, I must also state that racism and bigotry is not the exclusive province of the white race.  Each race has it’s own particular racism to share with the rest of us - only the white race has had the power to blanket the nation with it’s particular version.  Only the white race has had the power to subjugate the other races to it’s own needs and ends.  Only the white race has had the power to force it’s history on the other races as the one true history.

The white race is always suprised when someone of the other races is not willing to accept white western european (british) cultural presupositions as the supreme height of civilization.

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By Ian Burrow, April 30, 2008 at 2:34 pm Link to this comment
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I’ve just read the transcript of Rev. Wright at the Press Club and I’m disgusted.  No, not at Rev. Wright.  At the posturing self-righteous hypocrites who are unable to perceive the truth in much of what he says.  At the idiotic equation of “patriotism” with “my country right or wrong”.  At the refusal to acknowledge the dreadful mistakes we have made as a nation.  I hope he does get to be Vice President!

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By Frostedflakes, April 30, 2008 at 11:22 am Link to this comment

sorry this was a rebuttal to the post of ApprxAm

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By Frostedflakes, April 30, 2008 at 11:19 am Link to this comment

  You are wrong. Rumsfeld and all knew exactly what they were doing in the eighties when they supplied and backed Saddam Hussein. Actually, they did the same with the Taliban in Afghanistan, which Osama Bin Laden was affiliated, while fighting the former Soviet Union.

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By Frostedflakes, April 30, 2008 at 11:13 am Link to this comment

Black people are not one monolithic group, and generalizing and assuming the intentions or thoughts of any people is a bigoted action. No one is capable of speaking for a race of people, especially a race as diverse as the American black. And what is black leadership ? Is it some ambiguous tenet that offers a panacea to all ? Or is it a person who is so empowering that his ideas and beliefs transcends all ? Leadership is simply leadership, and it is not defined by ethnicity. Also, judge Rev. Wright by his deeds over the past thirty-six years of his ministry and not by some politically expedient thirty second sound bites. Because in reality where is the media dissection of the endorsements and relationships of Pat Robertson, who said that God caused the tragedies of 9/11 because of immorality, and John Hagee, who has also said that God has damned America, to John McCain. Or is it not as bad because they are not black?

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By cyrena, April 30, 2008 at 4:42 am Link to this comment

This IS fake news, because Jeremiah Wright has ALREADY been in the company of one of the ‘most elite couples’ in America, when that SAME ‘elite couple’ lived in the flippin’ White House!

None of this is news, or particularly secret. On one occassion, he was there at THEIR INVITATION, specifically to PROVIDE SPIRITUAL COUNSELING in respect to their ‘marital problems’. (remember when Bill was screwing around all the time? Hillary got jealous..we’re not sure of who)

He was also there at LEAST one other time, to attend a White House sponsored gathering of Pastors/Ministers of all faiths. (or at least the ones that were invited). There’s a photo of him chatting with Slick Willie at the event.

You guys need to do better on coming up with fake news. There’s plenty enough of the REAL stuff to go around.

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By cyrena, April 30, 2008 at 4:27 am Link to this comment

Donny Rumsfeld DID arrange for chemical weapons for Iraq back when we were buddies with Saddam. Gave ‘em some helicopters at the same time.

So, while I don’t know what Wright is claiming in this video, I DO know that the US DID provide some of the chemical weapons that Saddam used on the Kurds

The US regime at the time simply looked the other way when he did.

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By Marshall, April 30, 2008 at 1:20 am Link to this comment

Iraq didn’t use biological weapons.  It used chemical weapons.  And the US did not give weapons of either type to Iraq.

Reverend Wright is confused about this and obviously about a lot of other things, including his usefulness to the Obama campaign.

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By ApprxAm, April 30, 2008 at 12:27 am Link to this comment

There is no way Rev. Wright can believe that his public appearance in Norfolk, Va., D.C. and other place is helping Obama’s campaign. Nope, Jeremiah is in it for himself; not free speech and not to defend the black church, but to fix himself up as part of the new “black guard”. Last year when the President of Philadelphia Chapter of the NAACP wrote an editorial in the Philadelphia Inquirer complaining about the Eagles’ QB Donovan McNabb’s leadership in the locker, his ability to scramble as opposed to passing the ball and whether it was his fault that the troublemaker T.O. left the team, in a city who’s black children are mired in the worst school system north of Baltimore and black bodies dropping in the streets due to a gross increase of gun crimes, what could possibly be the mission of the black leadership in that or any other struggling city in America. Black people deserve better, but we must demand better. NO LEADERSHIP WITHOUT SERVICE. (posted elsewhere)

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By ApprxAm, April 30, 2008 at 12:26 am Link to this comment

There is something else happening regardless of Clintonistas, DNC or whatever other conspiracy one can think of. This is a strange but unified coming together of black elites of all persuasions, before the public, trying to make this man’s presidential run harder. Liberal and conservative; religious and secular; business and not-for-profits. Organized is the “push back” by prominent black “leaders” in media (T. Smiley) and enterprise (Bob Johnson), Civil Rights (NAACP: Julian Bond; A. Young). From the right: Shelby Steele, referring to Obama’s accent and form of speech. When Hillary Clinton complains and attack Barack’s “SPEECHIFYING”. Where does that word come from? It ain’t a knitting club term. There is a new BLACK GUARD sisters and brothers. They’re the ones kissing the hand and backside of Bill Clinton in support of his wife. The very man that took Obama’s victory in S.C. as a misguided march by the very same black folk that brought “Jesse” his only substantive victory in 1984’s Democratic campaign.  It’s no surprise to me because I can’t remember very much Bill Clinton did as president that helped blacks in the first place, though we really can’t expect too much from the federal government.

Obama circumvented the black elite’s gateway to power by riding the wave of white political support, thereby, freezing out the usual suspects who control the issues of race and collective black victim hood in America. Farakhan knows damn well that his endorsing Mr. Obama’s candidacy brings the heavy weight of media, white and institutional scrutiny to his detriment. At the same time, placing themselves front and center in the public’s view. Let us remember where one’s power comes from; it comes from those behind the scene who are able to dispense it. Obama’s prominence derives from whites, not blacks, so, of course, Sharpton and Andrew, Smiley and Wright loss influence the more he succeeds without them and their influence derives from our suffering. Love it or not, the NAACP’s entire existence comes from the trials and tribulations the we blacks face day-to-day. Any wonder that they’ve been around for one hundred years, yet not many of their policy objectives have been to our advantage (four decades of failed integration and bussing, affirmative action).

The black conservative Stanford University/ Hoover Institute fellow, Shelby Steele, was one of the first to volley a bomb at Obama, not on policy difference, though there may be, but on the way he’d address black audiences as opposed to white ones. The funny thing is that he’s said nothing about Bill sleeping during the MLK service in Atlanta or when Hillary used slave and plantation narratives and metaphors in NYC at Abyssinian Baptist last fall. Mr. Steele, a right wing, Bush supporter needs liberal foils. The black, left elite gives him purpose and like the NAACP, the cure would hurt him just as badly. I don’t mind him attacking Obama’s position or ideology, just not the personal, empty ones. When Tavis Smiley and Bob “BET” Johnson slimed him a few months ago, policy never came up. Smiley for not showing up to his dog and pony show in New Orleans and Johnson, well he’s just not a smart man no matter how much money he made pimping black women’s body image.


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By Spinoza750, April 29, 2008 at 10:05 pm Link to this comment

Basically a very good speech and his answers were on the money. Obama is a coward and the USA is outright fascist. I heard some of the statements from ABC and NBC anchors and they were racist and fuckwitted.  They need to be dealt with.  I cry for this country.

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By cyrena, April 29, 2008 at 11:39 am Link to this comment

Thanks for the response Dr. Know it all…I tried, but no luck, so it’s likely to be a fluke on my end. I’m perfectly willing to think of it as a vast, multiple wing conspiracy. wink if only because that’s how things seem to be going here of late.

Paranoid you say? Maybe, but not with very legitimate reason. wink

Still, thanks. I may try to view it another way, and then again…maybe not. It’s a flippin’ CONSPIRACY that brought us Rev Wright to begin with. And, while I have no troubles at all with the guy, and actually like him, it just pisses me off that this whole thing was CREATED by the media to begin with, and now they’re all pissed off that he’s decided to respond.

I remember it well, all of the Hillary trolls and undercover repugs were pushing these sound bytes as hard as they could. (Maani comes to mind). And when it seemed like not enough people were assuming the negative hyperbole for it’s intended purpose, (to demonize Obama) they just pushed harder, and accused the rest of us as rationalizing away all of this negative stuff on Obama.

NOW that it’s been ‘created’, and failed to do the damage they wanted, they’re all pissed off that Wright hasn’t just gone into a hole, and Obama with him. It’s typical for these Karl Rove types, or the cowards that don’t want to be reminded of their own failures to achieve anything useful despite the fact that they had to get their hands a bit dirty from spending so much time in the gutter.

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By Kanaschwiiz, April 29, 2008 at 11:02 am Link to this comment
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(I’ll now do what I deplore lesser media for doing: focus on superficial things).
This guy’s silly body language and facetious behavior is unbecoming of an elderly pastor and gentleman.
Wouldn’t we all (and his worthy message) be better served by some more mature comportment? “Capiche!?”

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By Maani, April 29, 2008 at 10:26 am Link to this comment

Apropos of this, Bob Herbert’s lament in the NYT today:


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By altara, April 29, 2008 at 7:28 am Link to this comment
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related fake news


Immediately after his appearance at the National Press Club, Reverend Jeremiah Wright challenged former president Bill Clinton to a debate - “anytime. any place”. His rationale being questioned by reporters, Wright explained that since each of them had been deemed influential in the campaigns of the two remaining Democratic candidates, it was important to clear the air and debate their views and their contributions to the public dialogue surrounding the campaigns.

Suggested debate locations included Little Rock, Nantucket, and South Side Chicago. As for format, the Reverand said that he preferred a Lincoln-Douglas style debate. If moderators were to be used, he said his preference would be for Chris Wallace and Chris Matthews.

Reverend Wright went on to state that his suggestion for a debate was made with all due humility and that he would be honored just to appear on the same platform with a member of one of the most elite couples in America.


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By illustrator, April 29, 2008 at 12:43 am Link to this comment

Wright for President. He makes me want to go to church,and I’m not a Christian!

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By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, April 28, 2008 at 7:02 pm Link to this comment

One good turn deserves another, or turn about is fair play, or whatever:

I just click on the arrow at lower left.

Good luck! 

Can you see the url below that?

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By cyrena, April 28, 2008 at 6:52 pm Link to this comment

Hello everybody…

I’ve just tried to view the latest video presented in this artical, and I can’t link to it.

Now, I think it’s probably me. I’ve had to reformat my system, so I may have failed to add something.

So, can ya’ll let me know if you were able to view this just by clicking on the ‘watch here’ and if so, can you provide the youtube link to it, since that apparently isn’t working for me.

If I have the direct link to the video, I can try to view it that way. I’d like to be able to actually see it before making any comments.


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By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, April 28, 2008 at 6:31 pm Link to this comment

Good for you!  My sentements exactly.

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By Paolo, April 28, 2008 at 6:26 pm Link to this comment

I have some minor disagreements with the good pastor, but on many issues, I agree with him wholeheartedly. Actually, most of what he has said that has been regarded as “unpatriotic” or “racist” is factually true. Yes, the US government HAS engaged in terrorism. Yes, we have meddled in every corner of the globe. Yes, this HAS resulted in our being targets of terrorists/patriots/zealots in those parts of the world.

Yes, we DID drop atomic weapons on Japan when they were, by all accounts, already defeated militarily, and were ready to sue for peace.

Yes, Africans WERE imported to be slaves.

As a libertarian, I’m sure I disagree with many of the Reverend’s solutions. But if he has sounded a little too intense, a little too angry, I’m frankly willing to cut the guy a break.

As an analogy, I’ve met many Jews who have said, “God damn Germany!” They also have said that Germans are genetically defective and have an abnormal tendency to obey corrupt authority figures. Now, having studied German language, literature, music, and culture, I of course disagree with these folks. But I cut them a break, given the context they come from.

The same principle applies to Jeremiah Wright. My gut feeling is that, given a chance to explain his positions, he would come across as much more reasonable than he seems when he delivers a thunderous sermon from the pulpit.

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By Don Stivers, April 28, 2008 at 5:32 pm Link to this comment

I have the old values and I wonder if even the old values were right.  Certain values that I was raised with were to keep my nose out of other’s business.  Seems the Republicans have turned it around and want to snoop (illegally) into everyones affairs without Judicial Review.  Guess I should jump ship but both parties seem to be bought by somebody.  Look at Pelosi and Feistein.  And I thought the Republican Party as a whole was smart enough to see through somebody who could not put two sentences together.  I saw this corrupt mess coming so I never voted for anyone in this administration.  And the Democrats go along with this buffoon of a President.  I included the fact that I am a registered Republican to show that even with conservative values, when I listen to someone’s WHOLE speech and sermons and they are absolutely correct, I can agree with them no matter what party they may be affiliated with.  I am ABSOLUTELY disgusted with the Republican Party.  And the Democrats too for pushing out Kucinich who also spoke the truth.

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By Fadel Abdallah, April 28, 2008 at 5:15 pm Link to this comment

Frostedlakes, I really like your very concise statement to the point that I want to follow up on it further.

First, a publicity campaign comparing the Jewish Holocaust that will never be forgotten with the Afro-American tragedy which should not be forgotten either.

Second, a financial plan for reparations should be prepared, with every family receiving at least one million dollars, so they can be financially uplifted and they can build businesses and create dignified jobs.

Third, this plan should also be applied to the surviving Native Americans, who even suffered greater injustices. All this compensation for both groups should be borne by white Americans, especially the wealthy ones. And the cost of this reparation plan will be less than one year of the Iraqi war. So, it’s doable.

Fourth, two huge memorials should be built to commemorate the victims of the Native Americans and the Afro-Americans.

Fifth, a formal apology by the U.S. Congress and Government should be issued to both these groups.

My sense of justice tells me that this is the minimum that can be done to heal the wounds of the past. Though I do not belong to one of these two victimized groups, nor I am a victimizer, being a recent immigrant myself, I am willing to accept a special tax to help finance this plan if necessary. I think the financial aspect of the project is the least problematic. The problem will remain with creating good faith and sincerity to attempt to right great historical wrongs.

Finally, unless and until a plan of this nature will be enacted,with good faith and sincerity, America will continue its downward movement towards destruction.

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By Jason, April 28, 2008 at 4:26 pm Link to this comment

I think that Rev. Wright has been unfairly represented in recent media coverage, and I believe that much of what he has said is wise.  I also think that he’s an excellent orator and rhetorician, and that he used his skills to dodge some uncomfortable questions, albeit ones that didn’t directly pertain to his statements that ignited the media feeding frenzy.

For instance, when asked about Obama’s church attendance, he turned the question back and inquired about the church attendance record of the questioner.  A rhetorically adept reply, but not relevant to the issue underlying the question which was Obama’s religious devotion.

As another example, when questioned about whether he believed that Jesus was the only way to salvation as is claimed in scripture, Wright cited another piece of scripture that could (but not necessarily) be interpreted to suggest that there are other ways to heaven.  Wright’s ability to cite scripture got a rise out of the crowd, but his response leaves the question of his own beliefs unanswered, and does nothing to explain how the passage of scripture cited by the question can be reconciled with salvational pluralism.

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By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, April 28, 2008 at 4:06 pm Link to this comment

Boggs said, “If Obama hasn’t the resolution to declare the Reverend is accurate in his “preach speech” then I may worry about Obama and his courage.”

This speaks to one of the great flaws in our political system.  I think Obama believes every word Wright says.  He just can’t admit that or he’ll go the way of Kucinich.  The electorate wants to hear about lapel flags, belief in Jesus and family values.  Obama wants to become the first non-lilywhite CinC.  He has to say the right things.

I wholly agree with your take on Wright.

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By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, April 28, 2008 at 3:52 pm Link to this comment

Don, you don’t sound like a republican.  Have you checked lately?

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By pacrat, April 28, 2008 at 3:47 pm Link to this comment
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I though that Wright’s statement - not just the fragment getting play in the media - was an honest evaluation of racist attitudes in our country. His comments are religious, not political.

Then when I watched him responding in detail to specific questions last week on the Moyer’s show I became even more convinced. And I think that a minister would kill (figuratively) to have the national audience that he does now to speak out on this neglected issue in our country.

Yes, he is a better spokesperson than Obamma on the issue, but he has no political aspirations. And his latest comments will be distorted beyond reason to get at Obamma.

It is sad to watch the dumded-down media commentators tear this great man apart, but what else do they know? If Obamma wins the democratic nomination the republican lying machine will really pile on!

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By Fadel Abdallah, April 28, 2008 at 3:46 pm Link to this comment

So great a post, Frostedflakes; it should be written in bold golden letters and raised on billboards on the intersections of all major streets. I wish I had the money it takes to have the pleasure of financing this project myself!

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By Don Stivers, April 28, 2008 at 3:12 pm Link to this comment

I totally agree.  Impeach our leaders and vote for Cindy Sheehan to oust Nancy Pelosi.

Yes!  What is it with our press?

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By BobZ, April 28, 2008 at 3:06 pm Link to this comment

Rev. Wright has an impressive resume and life experience. Instead of condemning him as many in the media have done, we should be celebrating his insights, as a continuation of the teachings of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. The media frenzy over this man of God is mystifying. They obviously have taken a very superficial view of his sermons and taken them out of context. Why is the media so critical of him, when they gave George W. Bush a pass in the run up to the Iraq war. Why is Vietnam veteran who spent two years in the U.S. Marines and four years in the U.S. Navy viewed as anti-American when Dick Cheney who received five draft deferments and declared he had “better things to do”, thought of as an American patriot. The hypocrisy of the media is overwhelming. It is getting to the point of being sickening.

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By Don Stivers, April 28, 2008 at 2:43 pm Link to this comment

This man, Jeremiah Wright, should be the person running for President.  As a white Republican, I would vote for him in an instant.  I believed what he said was right even when taken out of context.  He and Kucinich would make a GREAT team with either of them President.

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By Frostedflakes, April 28, 2008 at 2:26 pm Link to this comment

It is so hard for Americans to hear the uncomfortable truths of it’s history. If it’s okay and accepted for the historical Jew to never forget their Holocaust, then why is it so expected that the American Black forget their’s?

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By Della, April 28, 2008 at 1:43 pm Link to this comment
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I have heard the YouTube snipits of Rev. wrights’ sermon denouncing America many times. After listening to Rev. Wrights’ speech at the NAACP’s Freedom Fund dinner in Detriot on Sunday and the Press Club on Monday, I can’t see how he is hurting the Obama campaign. He is saying what we need to face in America. There is something dreadfully wrong in our government. And, there is still a great racial problem in America. I would love for the entire YouTube speech to be aired and judged fairly. Also,the author of that YouTube speech should be revealed. Once the person who put this negative deflammatiory dialog in the public eye is revealed, we may get a better understanding of the ignorance we are dealing with.
Della, Georgia

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By Margaret Currey, April 28, 2008 at 1:43 pm Link to this comment
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I do not find anything that the Rev. Wright offensive because if it is it is the truth, unvarnished and raw, but the man knows his history, and what he says is basically true, I don’t know about the HIV thing, but some people have said that HIV was caused by man, nothing surprises me.

But the Tusgee Experiment happened and if one happens cannot something similar happen?  I do not know but I know what this man says is not going to go down on ABC or CBS but these people who report also work for a corporation, and a corporation is about money and ratings.

So I look to the computer and Truthdig and Truthout for some of my information.  I also watch PBS because this is presented without hipe and this station does not advertise and if they do it is very minimal.

I think there is noting wrong with Obama name and all, the scare is out and this is like Karl Rove and his people who want to scare people into voting for someone who will glefully keep the lobbyists and all the corruption that go along with it.

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By boggs, April 28, 2008 at 1:26 pm Link to this comment

I listened to both his speecheeches the past couple of days. At the NAACP and the one this morning at the National Press Club.
He could not have made a better case for the way he expresses himself when he’s preaching to his flock.
He is a historian and happens to tell the truth while he preaches. The truth is so hard for many americans who occupy this land.
I will put my loyalty with a real patriot like The Rev. Wright any day.
If Obama hasn’t the resolution to declare the Reverend is accurate in his “preach speech” then I may worry about Obama and his courage.

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