Marshall:
  Here’s some help:
1. The CIA creating HIV/AIDS is unproven.

2. The U.S. is an imperialistic, fascist nation run by an oligarchy.

3. The U.S. has ,and still does, incite the ire and disdain of MANY foreign nations.

4. The U.S. govt, with the C.I.A. as it’s proxy, did sponsor the importation of drugs into America during the Iran-Contra scandals of the eighties; and if you were to look at the lower tier members of Bush’s cabinet you will find many participants of that treasonous times.

5. The U.S. may not have given Hussein the biological weaponry, but they were aware of his capabilities and supplied him with other arms and munitions during his eighties confrontations with Iran.

So CJ, I’m trying to figure out what you’re saying in your rambling post.  Maybe you can help me out.

- Do you believe the CIA created HIV and unleashed it on blacks?  Wright does.

- Do you believe the U.S. is an imperialistic, terrorist nation?  Wright does.

- Do you believe the U.S. brought 9/11 upon itself and that it’s well-deserved payback?  Wright does.

- Do you believe the U.S. govt. gives drugs to the black community?

Wright believes all these things, including the myth that the U.S. gave biological weapons to Iraq which they then used.

Wright is a repository for practically every groundless conspiracy theory and anti-american sentiment of the far left AND far right (yes, the far left and far right have much in common). 

Do you believe these things?

Very well put sir.

Excellent post CJ; our mainstream media role of cheer-leading the wrongdoers is a big part of the reason this sad country of ours is fast moving on the path of self-destruction! Sad!

I happened to catch Moyers’ program that night. On just about every point, Rev. Wright has it straight. The HIV thing is open to debate. His opinion is founded on a book a guy whose name escapes me at the moment wrote. After hearing a snippet of what that writer has to say, it’s not impossible HIV was introduced, at least by someone at some point, meaning it didn’t just appear in Africa more or less outta the blue. That introduction of HIV was a conspiracy is not a notion that Wright introduced to the world. Though to hear media carry on—in usual fashion—one would think Wright originated the notion. Naturally, media has gone after him most on that point, what with far-better documented facts of which Wright speaks involving truths to be avoided at all cost.

Moyers should have asked Wright about his belief in conspiracy theory of HIV. But not a big deal that he didnÂ’t. Maybe just as well, actually.

Moyers did a good job, and I think that by showing Wright respect he deserves he extracted thoughtful answers.

Yesterday, Wright was not respectful to a media that deserves no respect, given sheer unwillingness to cop to their own and other corporate doings. (Hedges wrote a good piece here wherein he mentioned corporate AmericaÂ’s coup de tat, which I think not in process but completed some time ago. Hedges has become one of those rare voices of conscience, along with likes of Chomsky, [Michael] Parenti and Zinn.)

Mega-mediaÂ’s failure to report on facts within the meanest of historical contexts is also well known, or so one keeps on hoping will become well known. Stenographers are in an uproar over Wright, personnel enjoying themselves enough, each in turn taking his or her shot at the reverend. Some have been slightly more rational than others. Although even those most rational are at best meagerly so.

Big media has become positively creepy, aside from contemptuous and long engaged in dissembling when not in outright dishonesty—factually (often by omission), intellectually (assuming intellect at all) and especially morally. Couple of exceptions on occasion.

Obama today did his level best to disown his past pastor. He had too of course. CanÂ’t be taken for a serious candidate for president by big media if one goes around speaking much truth. ItÂ’s worth noting considerable irony: Yesterday, Wright spoke of Obama posturing for political purposes. Today, Obama confirmed what Wright said about that at the same Barack complained of exactly that statement, among others.

As for whether or not the U.S. is terrorist, certainly, by standard set forth in the ArmyÂ’s Field Manual. And, more importantly, as set forth in Geneva Conventions. No empire in history has had more blood on its hands than this one. And yes, America was built by slaves and then by slave-wagers atop the dead bodies of Native Americans, also lied to, cheated, taken advantage of, treated like so many tree stumps in the way of Manifest Destiny.

No one should ever point out facts of history, not without providing endless excuses when it might be necessary—for some hard-to-imagine reason in the context of current culture—to speak of history. If any so-called VIP is thinking of doing so, better take note of ride-him-outta-town-on-a-rail mentality on the part of big-media propagandists, politicians, et al. who might be influential at the national-ist level.

See no evil, hear no evil, speak no truth. Or elseÂ… Power wonÂ’t tolerate that sorta thing on the part of any who possesses even a modicum of actual power. The rest of us can vent all day and night. PowerÂ’s just fine with that, happy to note venting in fact, including truth, so long as it leads nowhere.

I am simply going to disagree with you sir. I want to thank you for your service to this country. As I have repeated many times I am a democrat and I hope I am wrong about Obama. I share many of his hopes and dreams for this country. I appreciate that he has choosen to climb a difficult mountain. While I may disagree that his time is now, he is an important voice in our party. While I hope I am wrong and that America is ready to elect a man who has put race out there as the number one issue for us to confront at the same time we have so many other important challenges, I fear that those who choose to see Rev. Wright as a racist are going to be far more plentiful than those who will take the time to get to know the man and his larger message.

You sound like a very strong and reasonable person. I respect your opinion, but if you think I’m the problem, then I have to respectfully disagree. I think Obama could have won on Hope and Change as the theme of his campaign. Unfortunately the theme has changed to racial issues and that can only hurt him and his aspirations to be President. Rev. Wright is hurting Obama everytime he opens his mouth, regardless of whether the message is correct or not. My best to you and your family. I meant no disrespect in any of my posts.

I’d be a lot more impressed if Jeremiah Wright had started out as an anti-American racist, and then saw the light, became a patriotic American, and then joined the Marines ... but, instead, he started out as a Marine, and then became an anti-American racist ... which he still is to this day!

Well Joe, do you have to call Obama supporters Obamabots? That phrase reveals a snide elitist mindset that so called liberals can only dream about. Since you are quoting song lyrics, here is a brief stanza, perhaps you will know what song it is.
“As I went walking along the highway, I came upon a sign that said No Trespassing Private Property,
But on the other side the sign said nothing,
This sign was made for you and me.”

Gmonst! Excellent post indeed. Yes, Rev. Wright is indeed one of the very true Christians who are true followers of the true Jesus Christ. And the essence of the true message of Christ is that he became at odds with his own people when he criticized and fought against their falsehoods and erring ways.

But the Christianity we have today is a very much diluted form of the original teachings of Christ, with a high dose mixture of both Zionism, capitalism and militarism.

wow…the thought police are alive and well here at truthdig.  i came to aergus’ defense (not that he needed it) when jacob freeze told him that he was a jerk for not finding obama’s “uncle” description of jeremiah wright offensive.  any fool could see that obama had used the term uncle in its endearing sense..as giving recognition to a wise and amiable person for whom one feels affection.  i went on to point out that jacob freeze was a hypocrite because he had found a cruel chelsea clinton joke of mcCains on commondreams funny.  freeze accused those of us, who didn’t think the joke funny, as being overly sensitive tight-assed hoodoos.
i certainly didn’t take any pleasure in repeating mcCain’s “joke,” but u know it IS out there.  i felt it would be a good thing if i called jacob freeze on this just to let truthdiggers know about what kind of dude he is.

then, evidently, truthdig’s thought police start flagging me and my post gets pulled.  hey, in the larger scheme of things, this is not a big deal. but it does say something about truthdig.  commondreams allowed adult discussion and argument about an admittedly sensitive topic.  if anyone goes back to read that thread of last week, they’ll find it played out well enuf. i consider myself a social democrat and i don’t mind being called a progressive.
now i know how working class blokes who liked to have a drink in the 1920’s felt about certain “progressives.”

They use their “middle school” mentality dressed up with “high school” vocabulary to analyze an issue obviously well beyond their intellectual capacity.

Hey Joe, do yourself a favor. Give it a rest.

Reverend Wright represents the very best of what Christianity is supposed to embody.  Tireless service to the community and fearless preaching about social injustice.  I don’t see how anyone could watch his interview on PBS and suggest he is filled with hate, or more ludicrously a racist.  I think he is a credit to the United States.  He represents the kind of outspoken free-spirit that typified the beginnings of this nation.  If one takes the time to watch the whole of this interview, or even to listen to the controversial sound bites in their full context, it should be clear that his point was not one of hate or racism.  He is a straight shooter who calls it like he sees it.  Does he always choose the best words, no, but a look at the accomplishments of his career makes it clear where his heart lies.  Its unfortunate that in this age of sound bites that deep thinking individuals who give messages which can’t be contained within catch phrases, have their words minced up out of context to give the impression that they were saying something completely different than was intended.  It dumbs down the discourse and we are worse off because of it.  The worst part is that I know the mudslingers/racebaiters are really smart enough to understand the meaning of the words, but the need for drama compels them to launch into hyperbole that has no bearing on reality.

You find it laughable? I find it really sad. Obama needed to keep race out of this election and he blew it by letting Wright become an isse. It all started with a very risky strategy of marginalizing the former President by branding him a racist way back when after New Hampshire. It was brilliant to neuter the best campaigner of our modern era. Now way Obama could win without doing it, but by playing the race card he ran the risk that race could define his candidacy. Rev. Wright story broke far to early and now is out there festering. He’s weak on defense and Obama peaked WAY too early. He’s running OK in polls against McCain but the GOP is only just now defining Obama in ways that republicans and independants will find about as appealing as Kerry was to them in ‘04.

Does anyone truly believe that Obama can create the kind of excitement he once did? It’s a long slide to November and Obama is already completely defensive.

I find it laughable that there are those who are that hung up on a couple statements.  They then go on to profess their supposed integrity by comments like, “I would’ve disowned Reverend Wright” or “Why did Obama disown Reverend Wright?”.  Both of which if you take the time to investigate, have been declared by the same poster.

Obviously, this type of person hasn’t any integrity AT ALL.  Yet, on they blabber.  They use their “middle school” mentality dressed up with “high school” vocabulary to analyze an issue obviously well beyond their intellectual capacity.

well, that’s a fair enough criticism, and Hillary is extremely adept at recalling policy in a lucid, coherent fashion. By the way, I think those values are the same as Barack’s and Hillary’s for the most part.

Still, I think the only reason Obama doesn’t go into great detail is because most of his ideas make up twenty page reports, whereas Hillary’s are much shorter and concise. Clinton’s policy platforms are kind of tried and true ideas, and Obama’s involve a lot of theory and untested ideas. This is something I’ve said before, and I understand if that makes people nervous. Me, I’m taking my chances with Obama because I think new is better than old right now.

No. I don’t agree. Anyone has the constitutionally given right to free speech. Let me give you an example.

In my church we routinely fight against the oppressive purple people of the world. They keep us down, take our jobs and try to kill us with a disease they created for the sole purpose of keeping our numbers down. The purple people are to be damed to hell.

Now if I were running for president of the United States I might expect to see my comments brought up by my purple-people-loving opponents. Especially if my church were to sell the DVDs of the sermons on the internet.

Americans do enjoy the right of free speech. Damn America all to hell if you want. The problem comes when you have a thin resume of actual works to consider. People then tend to rely on your references as well as your resume. Those associations are called into question. Free speech may be your right but I have a right to consider those words in my choice for elected officials.

Thank you boggs.

The problem Joe Sixpack is that Obama did not defend his pastor for expressing his constitutional right to free speech. But I guess if anyone tells the United States government to go to hell, they must be censored, right?

“To berate someone about a nonsense conspiracy theory is meaningless.”

I could not agree more with you on this. My point is that while it may be meaningless to you and I, it’s the kind of crap that routinely loses elections.

Rezko, Wright, Ayers, Michelle… You should hear talk radio hammer this monotonous shit if you haven’t. These associations are unfair and bullshit, but as some idiot said on Fox last night, it’s the death of a thousand cuts. Most are self-inflicted by Obama, like his comments in San Fran.

just watched the whole jeremiah wright interview on pbs.  i went in expecting to like the guy and sure enuf i did.
i then read through this thread and i have to thank joe sixpack for providing me with a belly laugh.  he referred to bill clinton as a “great leader.” LOLOLOLOL…i’m still laughing.

When Obama doesn’t get the nomination, you can say Wright doomed his candidacy. When he loses to McCain, you can claim Wright ruined his shot at the Presidency. Until either of these happen, it remains to be seen how the candidate with the most states won, popular votes and pledged delegates has been sunk by Wright.

I have to confess that this was the first time I watch Rev. Wright close and I love what I hear and see. Let me explain! What I see is a man that physically resembles very much my late father, Ibrahim (Abraham) who was forced into the diaspora of exile from his homeland Palestine in the early 1940’s, exactly as the upright Abraham was forced out of his homeland in Mesopotamia (Old Iraq) and I guess you will figure out on your own the reasons why.

My father named one of his sons, my only surviving brother, as Ishmael, mainly to celebrate the memory of this great prophet / messenger who became the father of the Arabs and the godfather of all 1.4 billion Muslims of the world. Because of this long history, deep rooted in our memories, Arabs and Muslims can’t easily forget the struggles of both Abraham and his son Ishmael in establishing monotheism and truth in that part of the world against the falsehoods of idolatry.

The point here is that Rev. Wright is an upright minor prophet who devoted his life to the cause of justice and truth, following on the footsteps of all the ancient prophets and messengers.

Besides Wright’s courage, knowledge, honesty and deep sense of justice, on which I commented earlier, he seems very relaxed and confident about what he stands for. This is the man I want to see as president.

In my diaspora sojourns, I spent a total of 15 years, at two different stunts, in the Chicago area, and I feel now that I missed a great opportunity to visit Wright’s church and listen to his sermons. Though I was born a Muslim, I would have had no problem being in his church and listening to his wisdom and truths.

Now that he has retired, I feel that I lost a great opportunity and honor. Rev. Wright is one of very few select bunch who are my heroes outside my religion and ethnicity.

I love you dearly Rev. J. Wright and I can’t thank you enough for your struggle in the cause of justice and truth, no matter what the rabid barking dogs have done to discredit you!

I don’t want a candidate who has all of his detailed information on a website instead of in his memory ready to be used when needed. That’s one of the reasons Obama is a poor debater. He can’t recall his own policy positions on the fly.

Who was it who recently screamed on TV that he wanted a candidate who blew him away intellectually. Was it Stewert or Colbert?  Anyway the point was he wanted someone who was scary-smart.

Oh. You really wanted to read a post where I outlined my own personal values? I can do that. Can’t wait to see how you paint my values with a political brush.

competency
individuality
equality
integrity
service to others
responsibility
accuracy
respect
diversity
self-improvement
enjoyment of life
having fun
showing loyalty
having credibility
being honest
being a good teammate
excellence in my endeavors
accountability
empowerment
quality
efficiency
dignity
collaboration
stewardship
empathy
accomplishments
courage
wisdom
independence
security
compassion
friendliness
discipline
generosity
persistency
optimism
Hope
Change

Oh wait. Those last two are just filler.

Sorry, Joe. I was giving examples of well-known conspiracy theories. There are millions more, some of them pretty bloody. Doesn’t mean the premise isn’t correct. To berate someone about a nonsense conspiracy theory is meaningless.

Also, I notice you didn’t address how many Evangelical Christians feel the government and the Left are intent on destroying Christianity and forcing Secularism on everyone. That’s bullshit, but it gets a free pass. Think. Please.

1. You might not be, but Wright most certainly is.
2. Baseball, Hot Dogs, Apple pie and AIDS as a weapon of genocide. Yup. Nothin’ more American than that.
3. Gee. I’m commenting on a story titled, “Rev. Wright Speaks”. You’re accusing me of bringing it up? Who’s the tool?
4. One speech? An issue? Holy shit are you kidding me? George HW Bush barfed on the Japanese when giving a speech. Do you remember the words or the vomit?
5. Thanks. I think.
6. You’re in denial. Rev. Wright has almost single handedly taken the bloom off your rose. The press no longer openly cheers for Obama anymore. The Wright issue was supposed to come up in the brief time between the convention and the general when Obama could give a speech and distract voters long enough to win. Watch this open sore fester in the heat of newscycle after newscycle. Watch the flesh rotting off the bone when talk radio gets all the Moyer’s soundbites and the rest of the Wright Publicity Tour. did you hear Obama today? He sounds like a 3rd grader trying to explain why he didn’t do his homework. Obama sucks on defense, in case you hadn’t noticed. He’s going to be playing D the rest of the way to November. He already looks exhausted and a little pissy. If you can’t see the Wright anchor around his neck then you aren’t looking.
7. You mistake my pointing out his weaknesses with being against the man. I agree with almost everything I’ve ever heard Obmama (and Wright for that matter) say. I respect his goals and his spirit. I just cannot see him winning. He’s too weak and inexperienced.

Aegrus is correct on this. Those of the elite who benefit from all this. always rely on some jingoistic pseudo nationalistic, emotional gut bucket, to distract everyone from who is being robbed by whom. United States parents see their children destroyed by this insane war, only to be thanked by the government for making the ultimate sacrifice.
And the politicians have the gall to call this slaughter “heroic”. There is nothing good about it.

Alas, to quote Winston Churchill: “the first duty of a politician is to get elected”. Alas, way too often, that becomes the only reason.

Why is Obama’s defense and explanation “condescending?”

Because of Jim Crow language? Are you saying Obama hates black people? I’m annoyed with the links that get thrown about, especially when they are to blogs and not hard, factual journalism or accurate statistics. Don’t waste everyone’s time with opinions enforcing opinions because that’s a whole lota faith and no substance, which fits well with most Clinton supporters.

Well, if your values are political issues, I’d suggest a little soul-searching. More to the point though, I don’t marginalize Bill Clinton, but I am not enamored with his years in office like some are. It is impossible to get a perfect candidate. I think Obama has been semi-clear with most of his policy ideas, and has a large amount of information available on his website to elucidate them further.

Concede that Obama hasn’t necessarily gone way into detail about his policy ideas, sure. I haven’t heard the opposite from Clinton, though. She discusses her experience, which I feel is skeptical, her health care plan and some meaningless rhetoric against the free-trade agreements she’s fought for during the last twenty years. It all reeks of inauthenticity.

Obama has warts like every other candidate, but at least I haven’t seen him make absolutely hypocritical statements to my face the way Hillary has. Both are good candidates, but I think an Obama presidency has opportunity for better than good. Maybe a stone’s throw away from really good.

The energy plan is of concern, that I’ll submit.

1)I’m not saying HIV/AIDS was created by anyone.
2)Conspiracy theories are as American as apple pie.
3)Wright is your issue because you talk about it excessivly.
4)One speech, taken out of context, does not an issue make.
5)Fine if you reject my premise, I’m glad to see some kind of opinion come out from your comments.
6)I reject the premise Wright will keep Obama from becoming president.

Thank you for conversing this time.

“IS THAT ANY DIFFERENT THAN STUPID 911 AND AIDS CONSPIRACIES?”

Ahhhhh. In a word? YES. Big time different.

You can’t be serious. Are you comparing the UFO conspiracry theory and the JFK second shooter theory to NATIONAL GENOCIDE???

You sound like a guy I know who once justified his pastor’s bigottry by asserting that his grandmother was one too.

Flawed flawed flawed.

How are my values different? Well I’d say that I agree with Obama and Clinton on more issues than I disagree on. I prefer Clinton in this race because I want to win. I believe this race is too important to the country to see this fantastic opportuinty to win back the white house wasted on a one-third of one-term freshman senator who voted for Dick Chaney’s energy plan. I want real solutions to real problems that we face as a nation. All I get from the Obama side is retorical answers about hope and change. These are not policies nor positions, they are filler to divert attention away from a total and complete lack of experience. If not for Hope and Change and the ‘historic’ nature of his campaign would anyone take an Illinois state senator seriously? Methinks not.

I also take huge offense at the systematic demonization of a great leader and elder statesman of our party. The obvious Obama strategy was to marginalize the former president to win an election. Who’s taking the low road to victory?

“joe, you can take it out of context because it was in relation to our governmentÂ’s violent sins, which are true. Furthermore, Wright isnÂ’t running for president. If you arenÂ’t going to beat on Hagee or ‘The Family,Â’ then youÂ’re just making spin against Obama, which you are.”

I read it.

I reject your premise.

Show me proof that the USA created AIDS to commit genocide. Show me your case.

I agree that America has sinned, but is there another presidential pastor out there, or in any other campaign that damned America? Jesus gives us hope, but not according to Wright. How does America’s past sins justify electing someone who testifies in this man’s church?

Hagee is the real tool. I reject all of the fundimental extremists in religion.

Hillary is a Methodist. You want so badly to paint her as some religious wacko. Why exactly? To level the playing field maybe?

Reverand Wright is not my issue. It’s Obama’s. His face and words are now on a publicity tour. He’s th issue. He’s now staring in multiple negitive ads for the GOP in multiple states and it’s only April my friend.

Obama is going to ride the Wright anchor all the way to the bottom of the sea. You know it. I know it. What can we do about it?

Since you are so certain Obama and his supporters are contrastively different than you… What are your values, and how does Obama not share those values?

These are the lyrics to “This is Our Country” written by Obama’s newest and bestest friend, John Mellencamp.

Well I can stand beside
Ideals I think are right
And I can stand beside
The idea to stand and fight
I do believe
There’s a dream for everyone
This is our country

There’s room enough here
For science to live
And there’s room enough here
For religion to forgive
And try to understand
All the people of this land
This is our country

From the east coast
To the west coast
Down the Dixie Highway
Back home
This is our country

That poverty could be
Just another ugly thing
And bigotry would be
Seen only as obscene
And the ones that run this land
Help the poor and common man
This is our country

From the east coast
To the west coast
Down the Dixie Highway
Back home
This is our country

The dream is still alive
Some day it will come true
And this country it belongs
To folks like me and you
So let the voice of freedom
Sing out through this land
This is our country

From the east coast
To the west coast
Down the Dixie Highway
Back home
This is our country

From the east coast
To the west coast
Down the Dixie Highway
Back home
This is our country

You Obamabots want it both ways, don’t you? Wave the flag and show Obama at a gas station shedding croc tears for the common man. Then in private let your true feelings out about the little guy.

“It is really hard for flag waving red-necks to accept that their country is very dirty, wears lots of blood on their hands, and refuse to accept responsibility for all their wrongdoing.”

It is really hard for flag-waving red-necks to accept that their country might be led by someone who doesn’t share our values.

It doesn’t matter that our country does things we only think other countries do. When it comes to casting a vote for President, most people are going to reject your liberal elitist mindset.

Did you not read the first paragraph of my statement? Everything else was intended to further expose the lack of reality perceived by people who focus on non-issues like Reverend Wright.

1)Your question was answered.
2)You can’t discuss anything but Wright.
3)Because of #2, you are a tool.
4)The people using you don’t care about you.
5)You don’t have any real opinions.

I’m not sure to whom you are assigning all of those beliefs because that characterization is certinly not who I see in the mirror. Gays? Corporations? Environmental Destruction? Energy Crisis? Why are you so anxious to change the subject? Anything but Wright, huh?

The question I asked is how you can spin “God Damn America” out of context?

Obama keeps distancing himself for political reasons and Wright agrees with his decision to give political speeches on race and keep his true feelings to himself.

How is that a good thing for this country, exactly? How is that Change We Can Believe In?
How is he ANY different as a candidate when he is willing to go to the gutter for votes too?

joe, you can take it out of context because it was in relation to our government’s violent sins, which are true. Furthermore, Wright isn’t running for president. If you aren’t going to beat on Hagee or ‘The Family,’ then you’re just making spin against Obama, which you are.

The mindset you have is wrong because you have let yourself be influenced by fragmented sentences distorted to portray ideas in a different context. No one is defending or saying there is anything positive gained by the particular words in question. However, it’s not as bad as saying homosexuals should die, which I think is an anti-American sentiment. Of course, the same people who bash Wright probably think Hagee is accurate in saying homosexuals aren’t American, and deserve to die for their sins.

It’s the main problem with having discussions with people like you, who have been inculcated with ideology. Homosexuals are bad, poor people are worthless, minorities have no excuses and are dangerous, people who are substance abusers are enemies to America, tax cuts help everyone and America is always right. Period. I’m sure I missed a couple things, but all these divisive non-issues (which only serve to make you feel righteous and feed your ego) don’t go to the root of real problems and offer no solutions for real issues.

What about environmental destruction perpetuated by multi-national corporations? What about the WTO practically enslaving people in third-world countries to give us cash crops and force them to import our food? What about the rising inflation and diminished worth of the American dollar? What about our falling education system and the price of college? How do these things address our global military interventions and war profiteering? Do these issues solve our energy crisis and the cost of living? Do these issues save sick people who can’t afford health care?

No, the big answer for all those things is “free-market.” Which is just another way of say, “I don’t care, I got mine.” We’re all in the same boat, and your decision to close yourself to reality, and focus on non-issues like Reverend Wright is only serving to destroy America and to financially enslave our people.

Good job.

I continue to ask how exactly Rev. Wright’s words are taken out of context and how that his larger message is any better than the bites fed to us on the MSM.

How can you take a comment like, “God Damn America” out of context? How can you spin that comment into something positive with a straight face? These aren’t the worst moments of a 30 year career on the pulpit, these are the man’s beliefs. That’s a reality, a truth, not spin. Further, why would it be wrong for reasonable people to take offense at the acusation that the AIDs virus was man-man for the purpose of genocide? Is there any evidence of this? Can you show me the facts? Can you tell me the truth? Can you back that up somehow with real evidence and not innuendo and supposition? Most people believe that this is crazy-talk, but if you can prove otherwise then please do.

Is there not a common belief in the black churches that the 9/11 chickens came home to roost? I’m not an attendee, so I have no idea except from listening to people who do attend. If the arguement is that a US government capable of the Tuskeegee experiments must, therefor, be capable of creating AIDS. On the face this is not an unreasonable conclusion to jump to, right? When we listen to Rev. Wright, in his own words, in context, we begin to understand what the man believes. Obama may have stepped away from the controversial statements because “he is a politician” but I have no doubt that Wright believes what he preaches. I have no doubt that the Moyer’s interview with Wright will kick over the bee’s nest yet again and force Obama to once again reassure us that he doesn’t stand by his man.

Obama clearly doesnÂ’t cling to his religion when it hurts him politically. ThatÂ’s what he belives, thatÂ’s his truth.

Lee,
Please tell us what part of Rev. Wright’s speech offended you, and then tell us why you believe it to be untrue or wrong.
It could be that you have closed your mind to the truth!?
You have surely read the history of the U.S. and must be aware of the atrocities we have committed to attain real estate and the power to make the law.

It’s not just red necks, it’s also conservative ideologues, certain people in the Jewish Defense League and wackos like Lee who think pajamas media is somehow relevant, accurate or worth linking to. There are a slew of people who obstinately refuse to take facts into consideration. It’s too many to break up into labels, so I just say Base Human Animals, who react before thinking.

I don’t believe it was ever acknowledged that the Rev. Wright ‘mispoke’.
It is really hard for flag waving red-necks to accept that their country is very dirty, wears lots of blood on their hands, and refuse to accept responsibility for all their wrongdoing.

I’m pro-Obama, but I don’t think I spout the same, simple, negative rhetoric you provide.

Anti-Semitic? Lie.
Anti-American? Lie.
Racist? Lie.

I love how you continue to say the same things in every post regardless of what the topic of the segment is. It is also extremely amusing how you have convinced yourself you intimately know everything about Jeremiah Wright and his sermons for the past twenty years to say Obama should do anything?

You’re a hypocrite, and one with NOTHING original to say to boot. Obviously, the only issue you care about is the perceived black racism, which only leads me to believe you feel threatened by blacks. You are aware of the fact African Americans only composite thirteen percent of America’s population, right?

Thank you for being a constant reminder of how people keep themselves ignorant despite facts being shown directly to their face. I’m trying to save you from being a tool for Right-Wingers who only want to see their profit margins increase, and don’t care if you starve to death. Attempting to bring reality to your eyes, so that you don’t enable the real oppressors in America, the Neo-Conservative Elite. Your fear of 13% of Americans, who aren’t enabled by the government to serve themselves over others, in spite of the rational fear you should have of the top 1% of Americans who would leave you for dead if they could get a buck off your corpse is disheartening.

RE: AEGRUS

Aegrus,

Oh ... Obama stood up against Wright ... you mean after 20 years of attending his sermons with his family, listening to Wright’s disgusting anti-American racist trash, Obama finally, reluctantly, semi distanced himself from Wright, for obvious political reasons, because he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar!

Obama and his close supporters are anti-American,
anti-Semitic racists! If Obama had any character,
integrity, or leadership, he would have either stood
up to Wright, Farrakan, Lee, etc., over 20 years ago!

Here is just another example of BLACK RACISM from black pastors:
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/reverend-eric-lees-anti-semitism-a-personal-story-video/

Aregrus you are not seeking truth, you are just trying to further your agenda with the same old monotonous pro Obama bullshit.

You’re wrong. His words were largely taken out of context. Obama did stand against Wright’s misstatements. Conspiracy theories don’t necessarily mean anti-American. How many JFK, area 51 and other government conspiracy theories exist? How many bible thumping social conservatives believe the government is intent on destroying Christianity and Secularizing America? IS THAT ANY DIFFERENT THAN STUPID 911 AND AIDS CONSPIRACIES?

Please realize how absolutely monotonous you sound with this blatant inaccuracies copied from Fox News Archives and Neo-Conservative talk show hosts.

We all saw and heard Wright saying that the U.S. Government created AIDS to exterminate the Black Race ... that the government created 911 ... god damn America ... etc.. Now, Wright is trying to either cry that we took it out of context, or that the media is the culprit. Wright is simply an anti-American racist, and if Obama had any character. or leadership, he would have stood up against Wright’s words, or walked out of Wright’s church 20 years ago!