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Posted on Apr 16, 2008
Rice in Greenwald ad

Robert Greenwald’s Brave New Films is behind this ad targeting Condoleezza Rice for her role in the Bush administration’s torture policy. The 30-second spot is set to air following Wednesday’s Democratic debate in Philadelphia.

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By QuyTran, April 21, 2008 at 7:28 am Link to this comment

Go where ? Hell !

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By samosamo, April 20, 2008 at 11:56 pm Link to this comment

You’re right cyrena, kindaloosly is a ‘privileged’ person; never has known what trying to make a real living means other than holding herself aloof of the masses(middle class).
Probably a redundent statement.

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By I-hate-it-when-that-happens, April 20, 2008 at 12:59 pm Link to this comment
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When she seeks out new employment, how will Condi gracefully incorporate her experiences into a strong resume?

-initiated torture techniques to facilitate free flow of information.

-Coordinated violations of international human rights and the Geneva Conventions.

-Insured brutal retaliation of captured American service members through discreet handling of all Bush Administration policies.

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By Bill Blackolive, April 19, 2008 at 7:35 am Link to this comment
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chickenshit corporate tv might people older than thirty in the US of A get the lead out.

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By Don Stivers, April 18, 2008 at 4:31 pm Link to this comment

On another note:  If it is the President who has the powers to ignore the law, how is it that a big effort was made to isolate the President from these discussions?  These other people are not the President.  And by doing things off shore to get around the law, how can we prosecute anybody if there are no laws for these people to break if not on American soil.

This reasoning is becoming tortured and convoluted. 

And yet our Congress just sits there.

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By Don Stivers, April 18, 2008 at 4:24 pm Link to this comment

I too hope she has that sinking feeling.  Like looking up into the rear view mirror to see the highway patrolman’s lights shining at you for speeding.


And, of course, you get a ticket and you pay your fine.  This should be, because the crime is so big, she gets a summons and goes to jail.  And let’s hope for a long, long time.

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By cyrena, April 18, 2008 at 9:06 am Link to this comment

I dunno expat. I highly doubt that Condi the Rice is gonna realize her role in the war crimes of America, at least not on her own. So my own fervent hope is that the rest of us help her come to grips with it via the necessary tribunals and convictions that we’ll set up for ALL of these war criminals at the world court.

She’ll have plenty of time to reflect on it all from prison.

THAT is my fervent hope.

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By Expat, April 18, 2008 at 8:28 am Link to this comment

^ has that horrible sinking feeling that she has forever screwed her ambition of ever being anybody of importance within this society.  Her academic career should be forever lost and her complicit involvement in the dehumanization of people accused of crimes not proved and incarcerated for years, will forever grant her a place in American infamy! My fervent hope is that she realizes her role in the war crimes of America and that will relegate her to a place of shame in our shameful history!  She should be the archetype of American power taken to abuse.

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By msgmi, April 17, 2008 at 3:13 pm Link to this comment
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The christian neoCONS see torture as part of the 21st Crusade with God on their side.

Condi and the neoCON cabal is just following orders. They see nothing, they hear nothing, and they say nothing. 70 years ago a similar neoCON movement had its glory days.

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By C Quil, April 17, 2008 at 9:38 am Link to this comment

The unlovely Condoleezza just called herself a criminal. Will she arrest, try and convict herself too?

In some wonderful alternate universe, she would. I’m not holding my breath for this one.

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By Nate, April 17, 2008 at 3:10 am Link to this comment
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It sounds great to say lets prosecute them in another country.  But it is important to remember that who ends up being prosecuted for war crimes has a great deal to do with the relative power of the country from which the suspects come from. Its hard to believe that any indictment or prosecution in Europe would be more than a symbolic gesture because the U.S. can still use its military and especially its economic might as leverage.  Its much easier in a practical sense to go after leaders of poorer countries like Pinochet, Milosevic or Charles Taylor of Liberia which is why we see them get locked up.  Hard to imagine seeing Cheney getting locked up even if he deserves it.

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By cyrena, April 17, 2008 at 12:32 am Link to this comment

•  “The hitch, and it is a big one, is that the immunity is good only within the borders of the United States.”

Ah HA! It IS a big one. It means the Int’l legal community could go after them if they leave. (if they can catch up with them). That’s how they got Pinochet, and that’s what keeps Kissinger close to home.


Ya know, we always knew that the reason for the MCA was basically to cover all of their asses, and specifically once they left office, because we knew there wasn’t much anybody here, was willing to do now. I mean, the media is just getting around to telling the rest of us how involved they all were, even though we’ve known that from the beginning. It ALL came from the ‘top’.

But, I wasn’t away of the 2nd (secret memo) and I’m wondering now if Philippe Sands mentions it in his very excellent book, Lawless World. If so, I missed it, but I still highly recommend the book.

Ok, I’m gonna get to the links now. Thank’s so much for providing them..as usual. (This particular article and video also came through on my regular email subscriptions).

And, for a glimpse of how they ‘got’ Augusto Pinochet, (despite the same deal…immunity for all of the former terrorists of not just Chile’, but so many of the other Latin American nations that lived under the torture and terror of these dictators) the book, “Exorcising Terror” by Ariel Dorfman is an excellent one.

Matter of fact, this prompts me to do some over due work. (so long overdue that it might not ‘save’ me).

The links are really helpful.

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By Outraged, April 16, 2008 at 11:18 pm Link to this comment

Rice should be tried and convicted along with Wolfowitz, Addington, Cheney, Bush, Haynes, Bybee, Yoo, Rumsfeldt, Feith, Gonzales, and others who ordered or otherwise qualified and endorsed torture.  An article by Phillippe Sands, appearing in Vanity Fair and at Global Research covering the whole torture memo scenario, had this to say:

“The second memo, requested by John Rizzo, a senior lawyer at the C.I.A., has never been made public. It spells out the specific techniques in detail. Dunlavey and his subordinates at Guantánamo never saw these memos and were not aware of their contents.

The lawyers in Washington were playing a double game. They wanted maximum pressure applied during interrogations, but didn’t want to be seen as the ones applying it. They wanted distance and deniability. They also wanted legal cover for themselves. A key question is whether Haynes and Rumsfeld had knowledge of the content of these memos before they approved the new interrogation techniques for al-Qahtani.”

(continues…)
“As the consequences of Hamdan sank in, the instinct for self-preservation asserted itself. The lawyers got busy. Within four months President Bush signed into law the Military Commissions Act. This created a new legal defense against lawsuits for misconduct arising from the “detention and interrogation of aliens” between September 11, 2001, and December 30, 2005. That covered the interrogation of al-Qahtani, and no doubt much else. Signing the bill on October 17, 2006, President Bush explained that it provided “legal protections that ensure our military and intelligence personnel will not have to fear lawsuits filed by terrorists simply for doing their jobs.”

In a word, the interrogators and their superiors were granted immunity from prosecution. Some of the lawyers who contributed to this legislation were immunizing themselves. The hitch, and it is a big one, is that the immunity is good only within the borders of the United States.”

(continues…)
” If he suffered the degree of severe mental distress prohibited by the torture convention, then his treatment crosses the line into outright torture. These acts resulted from a policy decision made right at the top, not simply from ground-level requests in Guantánamo, and they were supported by legal advice from the president’s own circle.

Those responsible for the interrogation of Detainee 063 face a real risk of investigation if they set foot outside the United States. Article 4 of the torture convention criminalizes “complicity” or “participation” in torture, and the same principle governs violations of Common Article 3.”

(continues…)
“I visited a judge and a prosecutor in a major European city, and guided them through all the materials pertaining to the Guantánamo case. The judge and prosecutor were particularly struck by the immunity from prosecution provided by the Military Commissions Act. “That is very stupid,” said the prosecutor, explaining that it would make it much easier for investigators outside the United States to argue that possible war crimes would never be addressed by the justice system in the home country, one of the trip wires enabling foreign courts to intervene. For some of those involved in the Guantánamo decisions, prudence may well dictate a more cautious approach to international travel. And for some the future may hold a tap on the shoulder.

“It’s a matter of time,” the judge observed. “These things take time.” As I gathered my papers, he looked up and said, “And then something unexpected happens, when one of these lawyers travels to the wrong place.”

Links to the article:

Global Research: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8592

Vanity Fair:  http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/05/guantanamo200805

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By Eleanor Roosevelt, April 16, 2008 at 10:04 pm Link to this comment
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My faith in America would be redeemed if this vile, despicable person were finally prosecuted and locked up. It is time to hold these monsters accountable. Wake up America! Wake up!

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By Goffredo, April 16, 2008 at 8:48 pm Link to this comment
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You can’t blame her for this: she’s just fightin’ for whitey!

This is what happens when you sell out.  I just wish she would be McCain’s VP.  The only people Republicans despise more than black males is the black female.

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