WHEN I FIRST FOUND THIS SITE 2 YEARS AGO, IT WAS AMONG MY FAVES. NOW IT APPEARS TO HAVE TEN OR FIFTEEN READERS/ COMMENTERS. IT HAS BECOME TRULY TIRESOME. IT IS NOW THE LAST SITE I LOOK AT, JUST BEFORE I PASS OUT.

Ferraro’s comments were a set-up by the Clinton campaign for obvious reasons.  The fact remains that BHO is where he is IN SPITE of being black!

odlid,

I swear it was not my intention to suggest that Douglas Chalmers was sleeping with his mother.

I swear. That was NOT my intention. Now I did suggest that he had ‘mother issues’ and I still do, but those could be any number of things. So, let me repeat, I honestly DID NOT mean to suggest that he had been in that particular practice.

However…now that you’ve provided this additional info I just don’t know what to think, so I just won’t say anything at all.

Except…I DO think he’s a nutcase.

Auchi, Rezko, etc etc, blah, blah, blah…...

The crucible of the sword…, I don’t oppose all wars…, Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount ...a passage that is so radical that it is doubtful whether our own Defense Department would survive its application… !!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPUe6T8RVXs

Ah gee whiz you guys…Douglas, Maani, I turn my back on you kids for not MORE than 24 hours, and the next thing I know, Mike and I have a whole comment thread named after us..

Re: cyrena/MMC

I don’t know about Mick Mid-Cities, but I’m not really all that ‘honored’. But then, I’ve mentioned that before.

Maani consistently finds the time and energy to repeat his whine about me ‘picking on him’ and all the rest of it, and it’s pretty disgusting, because I just don’t get how a grown man physically located 3,000 miles away from where I’m physically located, can or should be all that terrorized by a 5’4’ 136 pound 55 year old woman who doesn’t even know how to use a fire arm!!

Hey Maani, did ya ever hear the school yard nursery rhyme, “sticks and stones may hurt my bones but words can never harm me?”

Now Maani, if you’re running for some office public office, (like say Hillary or Obama) and people are spreading lies about you in the public sphere, which could therefore influence the opinions of others, THEN result in mistaken decisions that could ultimately affect ALL of us, then we might need to re-evaluate some of your complaints in a different light.

Since you’re not. I would like to suggest that you just :

GET OVER YOURSELF!!

For you to keep whining about something that you can’t do anything about, or for you to try to set rules of engagement for this entire forum, based on what disturbs you, or what YOU think is appropriate or inappropriate, is clearly a waste of your time, and energy Maani, because…

YOU AIN’T RUNNING SHIT!!

Just like I’m not. So, stop whining OK? You’re obsessing the same way doug does, for whatever the reasons, but it’s not our problem.

People wouldn’t react to you the way that they do, if you weren’t creating exactly those responses by the stuff that you put out there. By the very nature of the anonymity of these blogs, and the fact that ones personal identity is to a limited degree protected, people can and will say what they will say. Sometimes it’s justified, and sometimes it is not. Sometimes it’s a matter of interpretation, and some interpretations are more accurate than others.

Here again, if I were running for some public office, then I’d have to do something to make sure the truth of my own ‘whatever’ was being properly represented. But I’m not. Neither are you.

Now douglas has just decided that I have a character disorder. I could react to that with the ultimate of indignation, and hostility, and just go to obsessing left and right about it.  Rather, it simply confirms my OWN suspicions (though I don’t claim to be a credentialed psychoanalyst) that it is HE that has some serious psychological problems, and I pretty much figured that out a long time ago. 

But, I also know who I and what I am, so what he or you or anybody else suggests is unimportant. Why don’t you get that about yourself? If you can BENEFIT from the reactions and observations of others in a socio-political setting, than you should. If it’s NOT a benefit to you, than you should adjust accordingly, but ONLY to the extent of what YOU can control yourself. And, that’s NOT anybody else on a public blog.

Looking back through the years when the Clintons were in the Whitehouse, they have acquired so much excess baggage, it has become a garbage scow.  They just keep heaping it on, we may add Ferraro to the top of the heap. 

From Bills indiscretions to his questionable pardons, to Hillary’s standing by his side, while slandering the women of his indiscretions.  Always the victim, feel sorry for them has got her this far.  Ugly tactics have carried the Clintons this far

Ferraro, has taken from the extensive Clinton playbook and makes a statement lacking integrity, then stands back to restate it on talk shows, over and over again. She has been all over the media playing the victim. Using the media, Ferraro is willing to use her freedom of speech to recruit, racist votes in the name of “I am hurt”

Uhh, they both have a psychosis(es?), Maani - and, no doubt, they are delusional to some extent as well. Lets just refer to it as their specific “personality disorder” and leave it at that.
”... a Character Disorder… characterized by rigid and on-going patterns of thought and action…. The underlying belief systems informing these patterns are referred to as fixed fantasies. The inflexibility and pervasiveness of these behavioral patterns often cause serious personal and social difficulties, as well as a general impairment of functioning… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality_disorder

MMC:

“Maani it has always been about the immoral and unjustified war of preemption that Hillary Clinton voted for. That you hang yourself out as a pinnate at a liberal blog to pimp your war voting political opportunist, is on you.”

I do not dispute this.  HOWEVER, when you (or Cyrena or anyone else) engage in PERSONAL comments etc. - whether dirctly or indirectly - that is called “ad hominem” attack, and has no place in discussion or debate.

Feel free to repeat yourself over and over, to make your claims about Hillary, to challenge her competence to be president, even to challenge my support of Hillary and the points I make.  All of that is fair game.  But STOP with the personal attacks, innuendo, accusations, etc. already, whether against me or anyone else.  It is getting tiresome, and only proves that you (and Cyrena and others) are unable to make your points, and engage in legitimate discussion or debate, WITHOUT resorting to such immature tactics.

Peace.

Ferraro on her lose cannon campaign for the Hillary continues, using hate to recruit the empty minds of bigots, this is nothing more than what it is, using racism to gather votes. 

Antagonistic divisive filth, utilizing racism as a tool to obtain a goal, in putting people down is racist,  has been racist and will always be racist.  Calling racism nothing but holier than thou grandstanding and political correctness is ludicrous.

Race? No, its sexism still, WriterOnTheStorm.

These people are all so desperate that no woman should ever become president, uhh…...

Ignorant blather. Your calling others racist doesn’t make them so. This sort of holier-than-thou grandstanding is really just hysterical political correctness. If you want to argue that Obama’s race has nothing to do with who he is, how he runs his campaign, and how others perceive him, then simply try to make the argument. Taking pot shots in the blogosphere might give you a cheap thrill, but don’t make the mistake of beleiving that it means you’re right.

We won’t be truly free of racism until race can be freely discussed.

“Sen. Hillary Clinton’s campaign has repeatedly used race-baiting to undermine Barack Obama, from Bob Johnson to Bob Kerrey to Bill Shaheen to the “Black Candidate” strategy to questionable TV ads to Geraldine Ferraro’s nasty and false attacks this week.”

“The Nation”

Yes only perceived racism. selected perception by Hillary clones.

Cyrena:

“Maani, when are you going to get it through your thick head that IT’S NOT ABOUT YOU!”

This line - and others like it - have been posted by you at least half a dozen times.  Yet here is a comment to Douglas, above:

“And if you really think you can counter charge, (the Maani technique)...”

If it is “not about” me, then why you YOU keep MAKING it so?  Why do you find it necessary to insert my name so often in order to make a cogent point, engage in a debate, or generally discuss things?

Despite your protestations to the contrary, you really ARE obsessed with me, aren’t you?

Peace.

MMC:

“Do you think that this divisive woman would get re-elected?”

That would depend entirely on what she did or did not accomplish during her first term, wouldn’t it?

Despite her “giving the dimmest president in history the authorization to wage an immoral preemptive war,” if Hillary does win, it is entirely possible that you, and others, would be surprised at how NON-divisive she might end up being.

Peace.

Racists offer nothing to society except their empty hate.  Using prejudices to bolster their hollow shells, attempts to prop their hollow empty beings. Offensive sneering directed at others, really not so different, but different only in their blind eyes, loving to hate using constant antagonism of differences because of ignorant perceived differences.

Self proclaimed superior feelings, worthy of nothing except contempt from free thinking individuals, for the bigot is nothing, nothing at all.

Ferraro is working quite diligently to bolster her message of hate,  recruiting for Hillary I suppose, her words are most certainly hateful and racist.

Ferraro’s comments coming out by way of ‘The Daily Breeze,’ a very small, very local newspaper based in Torrance, CA (I live just north of it) seems very strange.  Did the paper send a reporter to interview her?  Highly unlikely.  Did Ferraro contact the paper?  I find it hard to believe she even knew it existed. 

I’ve got to suspect an “input from Hillary’s camp.”

I am NOT an Anglo…...

Do you have some unresolved father issues or something…. you are a moron talking head, cyrena, uhh.

Geraldine Ferraro is irrelevant. The mainstream media is focused on this nonsense as we approach the fifth anniversary of the US Invasion of Iraq.  Geraldine Ferraro is important?  What she says matters?  Give me a break.  This story should not have seen the light of day.

I do not care what she “meant” or what her “context” was.  I cannot believe she gives “paid” speeches.  She is totally horrible to listen to.

Oh please Chalmers!!

Did it look to you like anybody had a gun to Gerry’s head, FORCING her to appear on this show?

And besides, Diane Sawyer is ALWAYS like that! At least she was the last time I was actually sort of forced to listen to her myself.

You’re just too far from your Anglo home Chalmers. In any non-Anglo country, we would have had a Black and Female president by now.

And if you really think you can counter charge, (the Maani technique) or otherwise cover-up what is BLATANTLY racist on the part of Hillary’s buddies in crime, by accusing Americans of covert sexism and age-ism, you should probably stay where you are.

You’d get you ass kicked here.

It is what is IS Douglas. Diane Sawyer may be a moron talking head, and I’m inclined to believe that she is. But that doesn’t change what Hillary and Geraldine are, or what they’ve said, and you can’t flip it around and make it anything but what it is.

Those were HER words, and HER words speak for HER, and we all hear them, loudly and clearly!!

There’s no doubt there’s still racism in the US, and around the world. But that doesn’t make us all stupid.

Should we give George Bush the same regard for defending HIS comments and actions? What is it with you anyway, always spinning straw into shit to protect your damsels in distress? Does Geraldine appear to need your ‘protection’? What about Hillary?

I think they’d as soon spit on you as look at you, at least if you’re in the way as they steamroll over everything in their paths..

Do you have some unresolved mother issues or something?

I swear you would defend the devil as long as you thought it was an old white woman spewing nails.

Never mind…I don’t wanna know.

You’re right Margaret. More than opinion on the Florida thing as well.

It was definitely an inside job in 2000. Katherine Harris did her best, and it worked.

Now look where we are.

It wouldn’t hurt my feelings if Florida sits this one out. They shoulda said somethin’...

Racists crawling out of the wood work to defend Ferraro,  interesting when people show their real side, why would a racist apologize for being raciest, because they believe in what they stand for.  Do not know how prevalent but racism exists and seems worse than I had hoped.

Despite all the rabid baiting, and the media slavering, Ferraro stands her ground. Finally a politician who doesn’t cower or apologize in the face of ignorant, baseless attacks. Nancy Pelosi - take note.

Could a woman of any color from Arkansas win a US senate seat in New York without any prior experience in government unless she happened to be married to the president?  Unless, in other words, she was “who she is?”

Clearly, the Clintons are prepared to destroy the party if Hillary doesn’t get the nomination.  That’s what these efforts by their surroagates are intended to accomplish.  Apparently, Pelosi and others in the party hierarchy are beginning to wake up to the fact.
The nomination won’t be worth anything to anyone if this goes on.  Notice that Ferraro had some nice words for McCain.  In case Hillary doesn’t get the nomination she’ll be voting for him.  This is another warning from the Clinton camp: ‘if you don’t nominate Hillary a lot of us will be supporting McCain.’

Ferraro is playing the victim, we may see much more of her.  It is Hillary’s plan to use Ferraro as a recruiter to gather votes from racists in Pennsylvania. 

People who do not see her statement as raciest are in convenient denial, but Hillary supporters have been for some time.

Diane Sawyer seemed to want to re-arrange the truth to pillory Geraldine Ferraro for the sake of controversy - and even at the expense of being continually offensive and persisting in talking over her guest.

Well, I guess that is typical American rudeness which passes for incisiveness or genuine investigation. Everyone is playing their game, their angle and has an axe to grind - even the show’s host.

In any non Anglo country, such a show wouldn’t survive on single week. Yet Americans seem to think that covert sexism and age-ism is not only permissible but should be expected. That is reflected in the bigoted comments on this blog.

Geraldine Ferraro is brave to have stayed with the argument and insisted on having her view heard - even if she had to fight all the way against that conceited pen-wielding host. She is not guilty of anything but Sawyer just wanted to be the judge and jury…...

well said, brilliantly said

this is deja vu all over again

and this comes from someone who professes love for all people, regardless of race or religion

as long as she is winning

Ironic—McCain must realize what Obama is going through; after all, Bush tarred him in South Carolina when his surrogates spread stories that McCain had fathered a black baby out of wedlock and pretended to have adopted it to cover it up

The more things change

Ya know MMC, you’ve definitely got a point. I understand about them thar hills of Pennsylvania, but you’re so correct…the superdelegates are probably not among them.

And, didn’t Hillary already say that these superdelegates are not beholden or otherwise obligated to represent the wishes of their constituency?

Yep, that’s what she said. She seems to be unaware that this kind of stuff will backfire.

How low will she go, and for how long? I don’t know, but I think the depth will determine the length. She’s already so low, that it won’t take much more to put here below ground/sea level.

At that point, it’s all over.

Just wish she would hurry it up.

This whole thing has been done for Pennsylvania, you are right about the them there hills.  Hillary makes mistakes, but never admits them.  Check out the Olberman rant on MSNBC.  Hillary will sink as low as wale shit to get what she wants.

^compared to this

My Contribution to the political discussion for today…

Did Clinton Win Ohio on a Lie?
  By Paul Rogat Loeb
  t r u t h o u t | Perspective
  Wednesday 12 March 2008

  Suppose someone in the North Korean government released a false story that shifted a key American election. If Bush were negatively affected, we might be bombing Pyongyang by now. But this just happened with what Hillary Clinton called “NAFTAgate.” Without it, she might never have won Ohio, or her margin would have been minuscule. But as a Canadian Broadcasting Company story reveals, practically the entire story was a lie, one that played so central a role in Clinton’s Ohio victory as to thoroughly taint any claim she raises about a swing state mandate.

  As the Ohio primary approached, Obama was steadily closing what a month earlier had been a 20-point lead in the polls. He pointed out that the NAFTA trade agreement was a centerpiece of Bill Clinton’s term and that it cost massive numbers of industrial jobs. Instead of creating a trade-fueled boom, NAFTA helped hollow out America’s industrial base, with over 200,000 manufacturing jobs disappearing in Ohio alone since the 2000 election. Even Republicans I talked with while calling the state just before the primary made clear that they thought it was a disaster.

  Given these sentiments, Hillary chose not to defend her husband’s actions, but instead claimed Obama was distorting her position because she’d privately opposed the agreement at the time, had “long been a critic” and now similarly supported stronger labor and environmental standards. Echoing her history with the Iraq war, these claims required some pretty complicated contortions. As David Sirota points out, she’d praised NAFTA repeatedly in public settings from the time of its inception, even praising corporations for mounting “a very effective business effort” on behalf of its passage. And as Obama highlighted their contrasting positions and approaches on this and other issues, he was gaining in the polls.

Then, on February 27, the Canadian network CTV reported that even as Obama was publicly attacking Bill Clinton’s role in NAFTA, and arguing for a drastic overhaul, he’d had a top staffer call the Canadian ambassador and arrange a meeting to reassure the Canadians that this was all just “political positioning,” pandering for the campaign trail. The likely source of the anonymous Valerie Plame-style leak was Ian Brodie, chief of staff to a key Bush ally, Canada’s Prime Minister Stephen Harper, and the US media jumped all over it as proof of Obama’s hypocrisy. The Canadian embassy denied the story and Obama and his campaign spokespeople also said it was false. On February 29, CTV then reported that a NAFTA conversation may have occurred earlier in Chicago with University of Chicago economics professor and senior economic adviser Austin Goolsbee. A follow-up March 3 leak then sent a supposed memo summarizing the meeting to the major US media outlets, quoting Goolsbee as saying Obama’s statements were more “political positioning than the clear articulation of policy plans.” Clinton made the controversy a centerpiece of her home stretch speeches and ads, saying “You come to Ohio and you both give speeches that are very critical of NAFTA and you send out misleading and false information about my position regarding NAFTA and then we find out that your chief economic adviser has gone to a foreign government and basically done the old wink wink, don’t pay any attention this is just political rhetoric.” She even ran a radio ad that misleadingly presenting itself as a news story, which concluded, “As Senator Obama was telling one story to Ohio, his campaign was telling a very different story to Canada.”

Continue at the link:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/031208H.shtml

MMC…

“This is Hillary’s campaign, divisive and racist.  Why must she put us through this?”

It’s because she can’t “win” any other way. That’s why she has to put us through this.

I’ve watched it over and over and over again…people who have nothing to put themselves in a positive light, who have no individual strengths of their own, and STILL want the power and recognition and money that they believe comes with having those positive strengths and traits, will ALWAYS choose to make someone else look BAD, because they CAN’T make themselves look good.

So, that’s why she must put us through this. She wants the job, and for her, it’s the only way she can get it.

Remember back when that Olympic skater Tanya something, (can’t remember her last name) had her boyfriend or some goon that she knew, attempt to break the knees or ankles or something of her competitor in the contest? (These details are from memory, and may not be exact).

Still, that’s the only way that cheaters can win. They cannot fairly compete on their own strengths, and hope to win, so they have to hobble (via sabotage if necessary) their competitors.

In the process of course, they ALWAYS hurt themselves, and in cases like this, they hurt the rest of us as well.

As a collective or member of any group, we are the ultimate losers. I first recognized it in my corporate life, where the competition to ‘climb the corporate ladder’ was such a vicious and ferocious environment. And…each and every time that the most qualified people were sabotaged in order to give the position or whatever it was to the cheater, it was ALWAYS the consumer that paid the biggest price.

Isn’t that what we’ve had in the so-called government for the past 7 years? The least of the least qualified, and look who ultimately pays the price.

In the mentalities of these people, it’s only about THEM! (Geraldine says SHE’S hurt). So, SHE’S ‘hurt’.

Never mind about the rest of us, or that WE are being hurt. None of this: “I’ll swallow my own self-interests for the greater good.” That would never cross the minds of the Hillary’s or the Geraldine’s, or the Bushes of the world.

And so it is.

Doesn’t mean we have to accept it though, and it looks like we are choosing to finally reject this, especially when we have other choices.

So Geraldine has it so very, very, wrong. Obama wouldn’t be running for the office if their ‘types’ hadn’t so thoroughly screwed us, for so very long. And, that has nothing to do with what color he is.

But, they don’t get that, and they never will, because they can’t.