No wonder you all are gonna end up like Tom Joad, uhh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DEtA5fhk4k

I get ya MackTN…I understand the shorthand completely now.

And yeah, the wounds are certainly with many of us older ones…but for some of us, we can actually display them a bit proudly. At least I like to think so.

I mean, I don’t wanna rub their faces in it or anything, like…DO YOU KNOW WHAT WE OLD FOLKS DID TO GET US TO THIS POINT? Some folks do like to make a litany of it, and sometimes it doesn’t hurt to remind them. Overall though, I think they get it.

Besides, I think Obama is proof that most of them already KNOW what we did, and how it was, and what it took. Contrary to the put downs of so many on these blogs, who like to claim that it’s ‘only’ black folks and the ‘young’ who are supporting him, that actually says more than they know.

In fact, the YOUNG are more aware than some would like to credit them, of the challenges of NOW that we deal with, and their futures depend on this change. Their futures actually INCLUDE a concern for the retired and retiring generation that has done so much to build so much, only to have it all smashed and destroyed in the course of a single decade. They aren’t stupid. They are more than a bit ‘aware’ of the struggles their parents and grandparents have undergone. They are right there watching now, as their parents’ homes are being taken out from under them, which means it’s their homes as well.

So, it is with the ultimate arrogance and disrespect that the ignorant among us continue to chant about how it’s only the ‘blacks and the youth’ that are supporting Obama. In reality, it’s anybody who has enough common sense to know that it’s our only chance to stop the destruction, and change the direction.

In my old industry, it would be the equivalent of preventing the fatal crash of the entire airplane, and in equal measure, the pilot is saving his own ass as well.

And so it is. We’re all in this together, and Obama seems to know that better than most. The kids obviously do too.

Give me a break

Hillary wouldn’t even be in the senate were it not for being married to Bill

She certainly wouldn’t be running for president if she didn’t have Bill as a running mate

Barack Obama didn’t have to marry into the job or inherit the job from his dad

He created his career all by himself—bootstrapping, it used to be called

You know nothing about me or my experiences of which I am the best judge, not you

Yeah!  Isn’t it terrific!  But at least they weren’t so dumb as to vote for Dubya===twice

Actually, my shorthand way of saying that obama doesn’t want to brand himself as the black candidate and tote all the luggage that some of us older folk had to grapple with during the civil rights era, paving the way for a different generation to have different experiences

I still wince when I hear words like those uttered by Ferraro and Clinton—I’m not ashamed to admit my battle wounds during the days we laid new roads in corporate america   thank god its behind me But it resembles post traumatic stress syndrome and those words trigger painful times

But the mentality of some is still there and look how it seeps out when in competition with an African American—who is winning   I’ve been there

Clarence Thomas must have been whupped pretty bad to carry the pathology he displays==self hate

Pandering is a word that is wide open to the definitions of the thinker….usually a very negative, so says the dictionary, definition….

Strictly rhetorical, for the mind of the reader to ponder, a question:

Since when is it ‘pandering’ to speak to people with words, phrases, dialect, and language that is not only familiar to them, but which they, by that very familiarity of colloquial and regional usage, may better understand your message?

A widely arcing knowledge of and use of vocabulary does not generally intend to hoodwink or to bamboozle, and certainly not to pander, but rather means to communicate to the ears of the listeners a thoughtful regard for, and sincere attempt at, an understanding of their actual lives and thinking regarding the subject at hand…

Actually, ’ i,Q,’, you are becoming by far the most arrogant of any of the commenters, uhh. And impudence is generally a term thrown around by you when someone challenges your (and cyrena’s) entrenched entitled attitude.

And you of all people to be criticizing someone for having a self-centered world view. I’ve hardly seen a comment from you where you didn’t assert how superior your own knowledge of everything is, even when you aren’t making any sense in what you are saying…....

Your hypocritical dishonesty is only matched by your thought-control master’s, Barack Obama and his Ring!

^ sorry for the double post.

^ good point!  I want a break from the past…..given he’s the “last man standing” (figure of speach)....I hope he’s for real!

^ good point!  I want a break from the past…..given he’s the last man standing….I hope he’s for real!

It’s becoming more obvious by the day that Hillary Clinton will not be able to close the delegate gap with Barack Obama.  She is just painfully desperate, and her cheap tactics are causing a lot of people to lose respect for her.  I think the only way for her to win back any respect at all at this point is to drop out of the race and let Obama concentrate on beating McCain.

Yeah, yeah. Life’s so unfair for HIllary because she’s not getting her way. It’s the media’s fault, it’s the sexist pigs and their glass ceiling, it’s blacks and those dirty upscale educated caucus-goers, ... maybe if she didn’t keep stepping in s#!t or have enough baggage to break a mule’s back, or hadn’t royally mismanaged a 150 million dollar campaign, or wasn’t such a feckless, shapeshifting panderer, she wouldn’t be on the losing end of so many press cycles.

Now that things aren’t as inevitable as was thought for the six months you seem to forget, when the press was in her pocket and she could do no wrong and they licked every little cranny of her uptight assh*le, it’s the victim card she plays, but she really only has herself to blame… or she could go after the majority of the democratic party who stupidly wants more change than she is capable of offering.

WTF Douglas? uhhh. Hillary is by far the most arrogant of any of the candidates. uhhh. And impudence is generally a term thrown around by the establishment when someone challenges their entrenched entitled attitude. What a paternalistic thing to say.  And you of all people to be criticizing someone for having a self-centered world view. i’ve hardly seen a comment from you where you didn’t assert how superior your own knowledge of everything is, even when you aren’t making any sense in what you are saying.

Obama may be talking himself out of the job across the street, but he is doing exactly what he needs to do to win the nomination, Which is to show his base that he won’t be held hostage by distortion and insinuation.

The only quantifiable qualification to be president is the ability to get elected, just ask Bill Clinton or W. All the other arguments are purely academic. So make your case for HIllary when she starts winning the election. uhhh… which by the way she has not done for a single day since votes began to be cast and counted.

But you may be right that Hillary doesn’t need him…. she needs his supporters. i can only speak for this one supporter, but her nastiness and willingness to throw me under the bus with Obama doesn’t incline me towards her in any way.  And i guarantee you that she won’t be getting the youngsters to run out to the polls to vote for… their overbearing mother.

cyrena said: ” Barack is real OK with his blackness, and I’ve noticed that bi-racial people born into a more open-minded environment generally are. In short, they just don’t THINK about it that much…”

Not really so, and you are only imagining that your small world and your tiny view of it are all that there is. There are other bi-racial people apart from African-Americans and their experiences - and attitudes are as mixed as their ethnicity.

In fact, some are prejudiced by their colored roots instead of or as well as their white roots. It is a constant focus for them too, even if they are otherwise happy. But, as presumptiously you know it all in regard to these issues…....

The circumstances mackTN describe are not exclusive to black/colored folk or even women, either. Many are the butt of concealed jealousies in the workplace and elsewhere. Better broaden your thinking and get out of that ‘barrel’ mentality of the past you are still holding on to.

As for Hillary, she is the most qualified and the more senior person by far. How does she feel about BO’s repeated impudence, insolence and arrogance? Don’t bother to answer, you one-eyed old blogger….....

Obama has just talked himself out of a job but not into the White House. Perhaps he’s talked himself into the hen-house or the dog-house instead? Hillary doesn’t actually need him - and she can run her campaign with another prospective VP. We’ve already discussed this possibility on TD weeks back.

mackTN, I hear everything you’re saying, because it DOES happen EVERY MINUTE of EVERY DAY, SOMEWHERE in corporate America.

Now that I no longer deal with it myself, I can review the multiples occasions of my own experiences without even being pisses off.

BUT, I disagree with you about Barack not wanting to be black. He IS what he IS, and doesn’t seem the least bit uncomfortable with WHO and WHAT he is in the least.

And THAT my friend, is the beauty of it. Gotta get away from that crabs in the barrel thinking.

Now you know who doesn’t wanna be BLACK don’t cha? Well, think to Clarence Thomas himself. Now that guy so much hates being black that he won’t even look in the mirror. He rather look at his exceeding homely white wife.

Now I can’t say that I blame him for not wanting to look in the mirror. It would scare me too! But, even if he could do some sort of miracle surgery that would turn him white, he’d STILL hate himself, and every other black person on the planet.

Nope, Barack is real OK with his blackness, and I’ve noticed that bi-racial people born into a more open-minded environment generally are.

In short, they just don’t THINK about it that much!! Because, there ARE places in the world where race (as it has been CREATED as a concept) is really NOT that big of a deal. It’s always been that way here, if only because the US was founded on that mentality. If you’re gonna enslave humans as chattel, you’ve gotta somehow convince yourself that they aren’t real humans, because they’re black. Because if they weren’t black, how would you figure out who to treat like humans, and who you could use as service animals?

Yep, old mentalities die hard, but they do die. And, it’s important to know here in the 21st Century of globalized existence, that not ALL other people on the planet are this focused on race. They might hate each other, but just not for the standard (and created) race based reasons.

I know Barack doesn’t want to be black, but since I am, I can vouch for this pattern happening all the time in corporate america

How many times have I been told I’m not as qualified as the person I trained

“But we really value your contributions and hope you’ll continue to serve behind the scenes, helping Lisa or Ralph look good”

“You may not know it, but Lisa has a certificate of telephonic empathy, which appeals to our customer base”

“You know, chiniqua, we desperately need you where you are; our company would sink without you in that position”

“Actually, barack, you are overqualified for this position; we’ve worked too hard to rid ourselves of the kind of image the world saw of the U S back in Jim Crow days   What would it look like if pictures got out of you answering your own phone be it red, white, or blue?”

Senator Edwards is now inviting Hillary Clinton to be his V.P. running mate.