jack,

“Terry was probably worried that Bill would say something about those FALN ‘terrorists’ that W.J. Clinton pardoned on his way out the door.  It will be interesting to see how Sen Clinton responds to that vetting if she’s the nominee.”

She would likely reply that you are merely regurgitating RightWing propaganda.

A) President Clinton did not pardon the eleven Puerto Rican nationalists in question, they were given clemency.

B) They were not “terrorists”, but had been convicted of simple auto theft and simple firearms violations.

C) The people in question had received ridiculously harsh sentences, and had already served a combined 200 years behind bars, an average of 19 years each. Just some of those who had requested President Clinton consider clemency:

The Archbishop of Puerto Rico
Cardinal John J. O’Conner of New York
Archbishop Desmond Tutu
Former President Carter
Coretta Scott King
10 Noble laureates

And you base this Rove comparison on...what? It doesn’t take much imagination to conjure up what that interview would have been like had Rove been the one being interviewed. First of all, he would have said “Barrack Hussein Obama” at least three times. He would have somehow found a way to link that indicted Chicago money man who has been tied to Obama (and just about every pol within 5,000 miles) to Maher’s foreign policy experience question, and he would have found a way to suggest that Osama has been contributing precious jihad money to Obama’s campaign.

You guys don’t have a f*cking clue what you’re talking about when you make such bone-headed comparisons. Or maybe you do. Maybe its just lazy shorthand for “I hate Hillary and all she represents, and I don’t care if it’s based on fact or fantasy – I hate her, and that’s all that counts.”

Puerto Ricans are American Citizens, DC. You’re an absurdity.

I don’t know Robert. Even without Terry McAuliffe, (and I agree he’s a Rove clone) Hillary wouldn’t get the nomination.

In reality, he’s representing her ONLY because she wants him to. And, Hillary has also voiced respect in the past, for Rove’s tactics. Maybe that’s why she choose McAuliffe.

So, SHE is what’s wrong with the Democratic party, along with all the rest of the status quo DLC left over from the 20th Century. It’s time for ALL of them to go, including the rest of the Blue Dog dems, Pelosi, etc, etc. You get my drift.

They are indistinguishable from the repug co-horts. I still think Hillary and McCain should have teamed up for the same repug ticket.

THEN we could quit wasting time, and let the 21st Century Democrats get the nation back together.

The irony is that if the Repugs are going to be as ugly as they usually are, and as Terry promises they will be, the efforts will be FAR more successful if Hillary is the nominee than they would be if Obama was.

Believe me, they are saving their dirt for Hillary, hoping and praying that she IS the nominee.

You’re right about the post 9/11 shit. Americans have figured that out by now. We’ve had 7 plus years of fear mongering, and it SHOULD be more than obvious to even a ‘semi-savvy’ politician, that American are sick and tired of it, no matter WHAT party they belong to.

So this is befuddling. It’s difficult for me to believe that Hillary is that stupid. Seriously. I don’t know why she’s taken up the ‘national security’ thing, when we all now know that ‘national security’ is code for protecting the corporate interests of the ruling class.

At the foundation of EVERY SINGLE COUP that has turned a former democracy into a dictator/totalitarian regime, the excuse has ALWAYS been ‘national security’.

Chile - Brazil - Uruguay - Argentina - Peru - Germany- THE UNITED STATES!!

I could go on. But, it’s ALWAYS ‘national security’ and that NEVER means the security of the people, it means the security of the military regime, which is why they torture/imprison/exile/disappear any and all alleged ‘subversives’ (laborers, journalists, intellectuals, peasants, clergy, etc, etc) or anybody else who would dissent against the fascist regime. In the US, that would be the neoconners representing the elite and corporate interests.

And, they ALWAYS call it ‘national security’.

So, since even a casual student of history already KNOWS this, why doesn’t Hillary ‘get it’ that the ‘national security’ platform simply scares the shit out of the average American?

All we see is more of what we’ve got, every time she says ‘national security’. We KNOW the code Hill!!

Its absurd to assume that not choosing Hillary as the nominee is some kind of path to endorsing McCain. Her comment was aimed at the Democrats leadership...... and the conflict is their problem.

Going “all the way” in Puerto Rico...... pina coladas at the Hilton.... and fuck the Puerto Ricans, uhh.

What a bloody shame that Democratic Party grandees have descended to Chenyisms like, “Well, it’s a post 9/11 world and everything is different now.”

The Democratic Party seems to be having a bad case of death throes, and i’m not so sure that it’s worth using up any sympathy on them.

Terry was probably worried that Bill would say something about those FALN “terrorists” that W.J. Clinton pardoned on his way out the door.  It will be interesting to see how Sen Clinton responds to that vetting if she’s the nominee.