Blackspeare:

“The individuals quoted are either fictious or they never made those statements.”

As sdemetri notes, you need to provide support for that claim.

“...but those people don’t know what they’re talking about or are just out for notoriety.”

Are you even listening to yourself?  These people WANT the “notoriety” of aligning themselves with something that will unquestionably subject them to ridicule, or even loss of job?  Please.

“As for the “pancake” effect----you saw it with your own eyes.”

You obviously didn’t take basic physics.  The rate at which a collapsing structure falls is dependent upon the resistance it meets.  Let us say for arguments sake that the top 1/3 of each tower was weakened considerably.  This leaves the bottom 2/3 of each structure COMPLETELY UNDAMAGED - including the 47 double-wide steel columns at the center core of each structure.

Thus, even assuming a perfect pancake collapse, each collapsing floor would have met resistance in the floor below it, staggering the collapse by at veyr least one second per floor.  The bottom 2/3 of each tower represents ~65 floors.  Thus, even allowing fo the top 1/3 of each tower to collapse in the first second, the total collapse would have had to have taken AT VERY LEAST 60 seconds.  However, each tower collapsed in ~16 seconds.  This is “physic"-ally impossible.

“Anyway 9/11 requires the application of “Ockham’s Razor” which basically states that the best explanation is the simplest explanation with the fewest assumptions.”

Yes.  But sometimes Occam’s Razor sports a dulled blade.

Peace.

Oh come on, Blackspeare, you can do better than that, can’t you? Possibly from a foreign source...? Transylvania, perhaps?

Apparently the written word is difficult for you. Where are your sources? Where’s the corroboration?

Oh, you don’t have any… I see. Just juvenile statements that don’t prove or disprove anything.

Let’s see, Wesley Clark, the first one in the list, should be easy for you to check that one out, on a nationally televised broadcast with George Stephanopoulos. Fictional, no doubt.

Pancaking...? No, I did not see that. I saw great billowing clouds of dust and debris being thrown in all directions immediately as the building started to collapse. If you are going to argue about this event you ought to at the very least get your facts straight.

sdemetri…

It appears you are a true believer in the unbelievable! The patriotsquestion9/11 site is an elaborate hoax---possibly from a foreign source.  The individuals quoted are either fictious or they never made those statements.  I suspect it’s a combination of both.  But I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt in that maybe one or two quotes are true, but those people don’t know what they’re talking about or are just out for notoriety.  As for the “pancake” effect----you saw it with your own eyes.  Any explosive sounds that people thought they heard was just the crash of the floors as the trapped air was compressed and suddenly released much like a blown-up paper bag.

Anyway 9/11 requires the application of “Ockham’s Razor” which basically states that the best explanation is the simplest explanation with the fewest assumptions.

Anything else?

takes up the cheapest form of argument, unsubstantiated attacks that fail to address the merits of what the opposition has to say. No proof, nothing to speak to the merits of PatriotsQuestion911.org, just, “it’s phony.”

What is phony about it? The site compiles a list of those that have doubts about the official 9/11 account. Are you prepared to dispute what each of these people have to say? Are you ready to claim they never made those statements, participated in the interviews, signed those petitions? Have you anything at all that substantiates your slur?

And by the way, the pancake theory, which your floor truss weakened by fire BS is all about, has been abandoned… by NIST itself. Wake up. Try reading some honest accounts of what fire can and can’t do to steel.

Blackspeare:

I’m sorry you feel that way.  In fact, I have been a 9/11 truther for over four years now, and disagree with you.

However, this is not the forum in which to discuss this, nor, based on your obvious closed-mindedness, do I expect that anything I could say or provide in the way of evidence might sway your belief.

Suffice to say that you have clearly not done your homework - certainly not to the degree that Bill and I have - so you are debating from a point of weakness.

Ultimately, we must agree to disagree.

Peace.

To Bill and Maani…

I could expect such a belief from Blackolive, But, Maani, I thought you’d be more astute than to believe what that obviously phony site, patriotsquestion9/11, has to offer.

Conspiracy theories are always interesting and have a following by the ill-informed.

9/11 was just what it was----a series of plane hijackings by militant elements.  There was plenty of plane parts scattered around as well as debris and it is the usual practice of the authorities to collect and secure these artifacts----nothing sinister is involved.

What’s important about the investigation is how these militants were able to enter the US, communicate with their handlers, and receive training unquestioned, The other question is why airport security failed.  What’s even more interesting is that an apparent failure and dereliction of duty among several governmental agencies resulted in no accountability, but rather medals all around!!!

Oh, by the way, jet fuel fires can weaken a steel truss structure such that it can not support the weight load and gives way which then results in a chain reaction as the added weight crashes through subsequent floors.  And what’s more interesting because of environmental activists the steel beams in the upper floors of the WTC were not coated with asbestos.  If they had, the buildings might still be there.

Bill:

If you have been to the site you note, you know that among those calling for a new, thorough, non-political investigation into 9/11 is none other than...Gen. Wesley Clark, who is one of Hillary’s top advisers (and a possible vice presidential tap if she wins the nomination).

Wouldn’t it be truly ironic if HILLARY was more likely to begin a new investigation than Obama?

Peace.

Well, I do not get HBO, so I appreciate these snippets.  The sad thing is Bill is right in what he says about the “American Gladiators”.  Mass Media has control, under the guidance of the elite.  Seems our education system has been dumbed down the say way.  Ignorance is bliss, some of my best friends are blissed, they like American Gladiator and Jack Ass, thanks for the enlightenment Murdoc.

The Rove-type attempts to connect Obama with Islam negatives is low-life propaganda as usual, but still impacts the unthinking. Sixty Minutes actually documented an individual impacted by it