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Following the MoneyPosted on Feb 12, 2008
Barack Obama has called for Hillary Clinton to release her tax returns in light of the $5 million she lent her campaign. Here he explains why, and Clinton promises she will—but only if she wins the nomination. Barack Obama: Hillary Clinton: Watch both interviews on Politico. Advertisement New and Improved CommentsIf you have trouble leaving a comment, review this help page. Still having problems? Let us know. If you find yourself moderated, take a moment to review our comment policy. |
By Conservative Yankee, February 17, 2008 at 7:20 am Link to this comment
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I do not see her as a “fraud”
US voters “remake” in their own minds, what they see as incomplete, or flawed.
When a person gets to the level of a Hill-the-business-shill, Token-Obama, or Rev-the-smiling-jackle, and Ole-man Mc Cain, people just “make-up” what they wish was so.
Clinton The most pro-business candidate still running is transformed to a “woman of the people” sort of like Maria Eva Duarte de Peron.
Obama who came up through Hawaii, and Harvard becomes the candidate of “change” (what kind of change, like Oliver Cromwell?)
Huckabee The Arkansas conservative who believes people magically appeared on the earth 6000 years ago tells us he’s gonna bring back the “good-ole ‘merican values” and anyone with a brain has to wonder why we would want to return to Slavery or Salem.
Finally we have the “patriot” and “Reagan conservative” John McCain who has played pat-e-cake with Ted Kennedy on comprehensive immigration reform (spelled A-m-n-e-s-t-y) Changed his mind twice on Bush’s Tax cuts, and runs his personal life like Bill Clinton.
These candidates all play on the good graces of the US voter. The voters return undeserved loyalty.
Sort of sick and disgusting when view without the rose-colored lens! We’ve got to dump this co-dependency thing!
Report thisBy Conservative Yankee, February 17, 2008 at 6:43 am Link to this comment
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“Hillary: ‘Ive liquidated all my holdings - everything is in cash…’”
I’m sure this includes a pub-prime mortgage on her 5-Mill digs in Chappaqua!
Report thisBy Louise, February 16, 2008 at 4:10 pm Link to this comment
Hillary: “Ive liquidated all my holdings - everything is in cash…”
Hmmm ... I wonder if she’ll lend me a bit?
Seriously this can all be reduced to one paragraph.
If Hillary has nothing to hide, this should not be an issue. If she thinks it’s simply nobody’s business she should say so. The after I am the candidate crap, simply leaves everybody wondering ... is there something in there that would cost her the candidacy if she revealed it now? For the candidate who we are told is the best and the brightest, I’d say this is not to bright.
Report thisBy Louise, February 16, 2008 at 3:49 pm Link to this comment
Thanks for the chuckle Jack!
I was just thinking maybe DC’s wife has left him and taken the kiddies. Or worse still maybe she left and LEFT the kiddies!
Whatever the problem that feeds his anger, the man sometimes confuses me. He often posts a comment that makes me think “yeh, ok, thats right.” Then an hour later he comes on with a real, ” huh??? “
Maybe he’s siamese twins.
Report thisBy Christopher London, February 16, 2008 at 12:17 pm Link to this comment
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Does anyone have any doubt that Hillary Clinton is nothing but a complete and TOTAL FRAUD? Hillary is not releasing her TAX RETURNS because much of her wealth comes from CLINTON GLOBAL INITIATIVE deals with foreigners. FOREIGNERS are attempting to BUY the American Presidency. No surprise, Bill SOLD the office of the Presidency on the way out the door to stake his financial fortune and now BILL & HILLARY are “pre-selling” the Oval Office. Americans have become deaf, dumb and blind if they do not see this corrupt, shape shifting political whore for what she is.
Report thisBy Tony Wicher, February 16, 2008 at 10:55 am Link to this comment
Quite right. Hillary has no clear message because like a lot of other Democrats the only thing she really believes in is winning. When she announced here candidacy, her first words were “I’m in it to win”, and those terms set the tone for her whole campaign.
Report thisBy Tony Wicher, February 16, 2008 at 10:47 am Link to this comment
I myself am voting for Obama not primarily because of his policy positions but because of my estimation of his political and diplomatic talents and leadership abilities. I consider myself been a good spotter of talent, and Obama has more political talent than anyone I have ever seen, including Bill Clinton. Based on that estimation, I am putting my faith in this man to lead us out of the Bush morass and back to happier days. Thus the quality of the man is more important to me than the announced policies, which will change anyway once he is in office.
Report thisBy Conservative Yankee, February 16, 2008 at 6:48 am Link to this comment
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Your examination of my post is way to shallow. You are a University graduate, so use your cognitive abilities. I never said “tinker with the economy a little” I said REALIGNMENT. (By the way, I Know about disappearing FISH, Scroogle “Lubec Maine”
To long to discuss here, but for example, I’ve gone green with my investments which were long handled by Merrill Lynch.
I’ve also got my paperwork in for permission to get out of Oil and natural gas.
This is my (very small) start at “REALIGNMENT” Next will be my 100% apple-cider driven vehicle! (>;)D
Report thisBy Douglas Chalmers, February 15, 2008 at 11:55 pm Link to this comment
By felicity, February 14 at 2:08: “We need a Washington, a Lincoln, an individual of no particular merit in his own right, but an individual with the potential to inspire, to pull us together, to lift us out of the morass of apathy and discouragement that we are in presently…”
You must know that you are an idiot, felicity, uhh.
Or are you just describing the mass stupidity of the voting/non-voting US citizens???
That bunch of lemmings deserve a Pied Piper to take them down the road to hell….... and WW3!
Report thisBy cyrena, February 15, 2008 at 8:37 pm Link to this comment
CY,
I share your respect and admiration for Teddy Roosevelt. Yes, I wish we had a version of him now.
I’d have to disagree somewhat on the suggestion that we have NO major problems that a major economic realignment (alone) can’t cure or mitigate. I think that may have been the case a half century or more ago, but the globalization of the economy is not undoable, which is why it can no longer be about ‘us’ or ‘we’ alone. We’re simply far too dependent on, and affected by activities in the rest of the world. We cannot be isolated, even it we wanted to be.
The other MAJOR problem that cannot be cured or mitigated by a realignment of our OWN economy is the environmental disaster that too many people still fail to acknowledge, specifically here in America. we seem to think that there will always be enough water, despite the fact that it is already a major problem, and we think there will always be enough fish in the sea, and that we can always grow enough food, and that it won’t kill us.
So, as long as the West, (and the US more specifically) continue to be the MAJOR polluters of the world, and continue to be the major exploiters of the worlds’ natural resources, we’ll need to do more than just realign the economy here. WAY MORE.
Report thisBy LondonInNY, February 15, 2008 at 3:32 pm Link to this comment
CLINTONS have a way of labeling their adversaries in a derogatory fashion to shield themselves from attacks so that Americans perceive them as VICTIMS. In the 1990’s Bill & Hillary were attacked by a “Vast Right Wing Conspiracy” but then they governed more conservatively than REAGAN. The Clintons are not middle class warriors. The Clintons have been attacked from the LEFT, RIGHT & CENTER for being DISHONEST, FRAUDULENT & CORRUPT. HILLARY IS THE DEMS NEO-CON, MIC candidate in the race. There is a VEIL OF SECRECY around the CLINTONS designed to preserve the FRAUD about who and what the CLINTONS are. The Clintons are EXTREMELY WEALTHY and have made that financial fortune off the American political process. Politics is the family business. They do not own a business nor have they created anything other than their own never ending political ambition.
Report thisBy Conservative Yankee, February 15, 2008 at 7:26 am Link to this comment
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Well we have a “Lincoln” now, almost.
“Honest” Abe ran a POW prison which makes Gitmo look like a resort. He suspended habeas corpus, and drastically increased the power of the Federal government. He was also a white supremacist who believed African American slaves were more akin to farm animals than to humans.
Washington was first a general and a leader of people.While some generals have been adequate presidents, It is my belief we need someone more focused on Corporate abuses of our economic system, and less in tune with defense contractors.
My desire is for the qualities of a Teddy Roosevelt who while a military man, remade himself as president. He took on the Bill Gates, and Rex Tillermans of the time, and tamed them. He was fearless in his attack.
If we get our economic house in order, everything else will fall into place. We have NO major problems which a major economic realignment can’t cure, or at least mitigate.
Report thisBy felicity, February 14, 2008 at 3:08 pm Link to this comment
Douglas, Hillary does not have the qualifications to be the president our country needs right now. She is a hard worker, competent, dedicated to her causes and dedicated to making a difference. All exemplary but all beside the point, today.
We need a Washington, a Lincoln, an individual of no particular merit in his own right, but an individual with the potential to inspire, to pull us together, to lift us out of the morass of apathy and discouragement that we are in presently.
Report thisBy Conservative Yankee, February 14, 2008 at 9:09 am Link to this comment
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Funny Mr Chalmers, I see no difference between the two of you….Except for the different bookies you use.
Report thisBy Douglas Chalmers, February 14, 2008 at 8:14 am Link to this comment
By cyrena, February 13: “She’s totally oblivious to the fact that she is insulting the American people, with comments like, “Obama’s campaign ‘TOLD people’ to ask about her finances…. she STILL doesn’t ‘get’ that ‘we the people’ can see through that…”
As usual, cyrena, your nauseating diatribes and your multiple posts point to the same thing. You are obsessed with Barack Obama and The Ring to the extent that you are desperately attempting to sell his dishonest duplicity to us - or at least to force it down our throats.
An impudent upstart demanding that a person 20 years older then himself “follow my lead” is way beyond “standard political protocol”. That is not being correct but being offensive. It’s the age old political pseude-ethics and false demands for procedure.
But the main fact is that you are willing to accept that people MUST hand over all of their information and lose their rights to any privacy merely for the privelege of having BO insult Hillary Clinton in a one-time political contest. That is an attack on OUR rights!
That is extremely poor but it is so typical of your willingness to abuse the rights of other citizens in order to have your candidate succeed and regardless of the expense. And, in particular, you wish to abuse the white majority for the perceived sufferings of the black minority that you personally may never have experienced.
Bottom line, cyrena - it’s this very arrogance and disrespect for the popular opinion which then leads you to behave as if people are ‘picking on you’ while you show your paranoia by blaming anyone who disagrees with you. You are simply taking your miseries out on others, uhh.
We see from every single comment that you make these days that this is all about cyrena and BO WINNING. It’s not about what’s best for the country, or what’s best for us. It’s about HER and BO WINNING!! By hook, or crook, or whatever low down dirty tricks she can use. The more desperate she becomes, the sleazier she gets…..... (in yer own words and…. Happy Valentine’s Day, haha!!!).
Report thisBy cyrena, February 14, 2008 at 2:49 am Link to this comment
Well, I don’t know, there might be an iota of truth here, about ‘EXPECTING” honesty, integrity, transparency, etc, etc. But, I don’t know that I’d call those people FOOLS. I might say it’s a bit naive to EXPECT it.
That isn’t the same as wanting or hoping for it though, since I believe that for the most part, the average person in any given democratic society certainly VALUES those things, and would LIKE to have them again.
I mean, don’t a lot of people at least still CARE about those things, even if they’ve become cynical to the extent that they don’t really ‘expect’ them?
Don’t we at least try to make our family, friends, neighbors, etc aware that those are actually things to strive for, and that they CAN be had? Or, should we just tell everybody that hypocrisy, treason, and exploitation are what being an American is all about?
Would that prevent them running the risk of being called a fool? I’m thinking of all the worker-bees, like us. I wouldn’t like to have them just thrown into the fool category for being hopeful that these things actually do exist.
Ignore your rights, and they’ll go away. Isn’t that pretty much the same with everything else?
Report thisBy cyrena, February 13, 2008 at 7:29 pm Link to this comment
She says that Obamas campaign has told people to ask about her finances, even though weve just heard from Obama, and we know how his own comments came about. The media asked HIM, because Hillarys 5 million dollar loan to her own campaign has been common knowledge for at least a week. (At least thats when I first read about it, and it wasnt from Obamas campaign it was from the Independent media.)
THEN, she spends the rest of her time (most of it actually) doing more dirty tricks, as well as the defensive stuff to throw everybody off. She alternates between how public and transparent she and Slick Willy have always been, and how everything about her has been examined up one side and down the other, (a hazard when one elects to be in the political racket) to the dirty jab innuendos on Barack; consistently citing what she wants to have appear as some secret or shady dealings/relationships that Obama has. The intent is obvious of course; without any REAL details, she throws out innuendo that theres something shady going on with HIM, in an obvious display of Well, look at HIM, and heres some fake dirt to get things buzzing. Well, we HAVE, (looked at him) and theres nothing unexplained in his own records, whether one accepts the explanation or not.
So she starts out BLAMING the Obama campaign, for telling people to ask these very standard questions. And, it IS standard political protocol. Barack is correct on that; its age old political ethics procedures. Hell, they want all of OUR information!!
Its not intended to be a sinister prying, since Americans dont particularly CARE if their political leaders are independently wealthy. We have had, and STILL have, Presidents and other long term political leaders that WERE/ARE independently wealthy. Thats like a few hundred years old. And, since one doesnt get rich on a Presidents income, and the annual salary isnt all that comparatively large, it would mean that (theoretically at least) the individual isnt IN IT for the money or the POWER, but rather because they want to DO SOME GOOD in terms of the leadership and management of our national affairs. I mean, that WAS the original idea behind the job of the President. So in a capitalist society, nobody much cares if the president has a lot of his/her own money, or even how they spend it. They just wanna know that these politicos arent CORRUPT, and that they arent becoming wealthy by stealing from US! Americans are naturally even MORE tuned in to that now, after these last several years of seeing ourselves robbed/raped/pillaged by the current batch of gangster robber-barons, that make all previous robber-barons look like petty thieves!!
Hillarys response is to behave as if people are picking on her while she shows her paranoia by blaming the opponent. We see from every single interview that Hillary has these days, and even every single speech she gives, that this election is all about HER WINNING. Its not about whats best for the country, or whats best for us. Its about HER WINNING!! By hook, or crook, or whatever low down dirty tricks she can use. The more desperate she becomes, the sleazier she gets.
Shes totally oblivious to the fact that she is insulting the American people, with comments like, Obamas campaign TOLD people to ask about her finances. And, that IS an insult, because we dont need to be told what to do, anymore than she or any other politician can dictate or otherwise decide what issues are of concern to US. When she makes comments like that, blaming the opponent for doing it, she only reveals that its the kind of thing that SHE would do!! And, she STILL doesnt get that we the people can see through that.
Bottom line, its this very arrogance and disrespect for the popular opinion, that will be the reason for her loss. That and the fact that we have a BETTER choice!!
Report thisBy jackpine savage, February 13, 2008 at 7:00 pm Link to this comment
I was simply critiquing the two interviews. The question was asked of Sen Clinton; instead of answering the question, she turned it around and used it as an opportunity to attack her opponent.
Every politician is shady, Doug. You constantly show us your deep wisdom, one would think that you would have learned that already.
You’re pretty funny though, you figure that because someone doesn’t support your candidate, they must be wholeheartedly for the other candidate. If they don’t support your candidate, they must be sexist and hate older people too.
You’re a pretty funny guy, all in all…but i think you’ve been in that basement too long. You do have a radon detector down there, don’t you?
Report thisBy Douglas Chalmers, February 13, 2008 at 6:39 pm Link to this comment
By jackpine savage, February 13: ”...the other interview suggests that someone put the questioners up to it, and then uses the answer period to launch negative attacks against the opponent…”
I find it interesting that you discuss the interview while actually avoiding the questions that are asked, savage jackpine. Is this what BO refers to as “follow his lead”, uhh?
What about Exelon and Obama then - “one of his largest contributors…” re non-disclosure in the nuclear industry? Just sayin’.....
Then there is the question of Obama and Rezko - Obama’s Rezko ties deeper than land deal http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/184540,122306obama.article
Report thisBy kalitos, February 13, 2008 at 6:34 pm Link to this comment
No matter how you look at it, the path of this country seems to go from bad to worse in joust about every aspect. In past elections deceiving has been standard, it hasn’t changed, -hope i’m wrong-
Report thisBy DennisD, February 13, 2008 at 5:30 pm Link to this comment
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Money it’s a gas. Grab that cash with both hands and make a stash. - Pink Floyd.
I heard the money was all in singles so it must have been from Bill’s strip club cash.
Report thisBy jackpine savage, February 13, 2008 at 5:12 pm Link to this comment
I find it interesting that one interview actually discusses the question that is asked. While the other interview suggests that someone put the questioners up to it, and then uses the answer period to launch negative attacks against the opponent.
Just sayin’
Shut up, Doug…just sayin’
Report thisBy Douglas Chalmers, February 13, 2008 at 5:04 pm Link to this comment
By purplewolf, February 13L ”...strange feeling of de javu all over again. Isn’t Hillary pulling the same BS that Bush said he would reveal the information after “If I am elected” crap…”
Sounds like you prefer the president you’ve already got, purplewolf. He’d only be too happy to do a “rerun” for you, already, uhh…....
By loveinatub, February 13: “Obama is hungry too but at least he is making more effort to be a bit more transparant than Hillary…”
So you prefer a man in a boring suit to a woman in a boring suit, eh, loveinatub? If Obama was genuine about “change”, he would change his wardrobe/fashion adviser first!
Report thisBy Sabrina, February 13, 2008 at 3:29 pm Link to this comment
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Senator Clinton’s relations with global law firm DLA Piper…pretty interesting..
Report thisBy loveinatub, February 13, 2008 at 1:41 pm Link to this comment
Really,in the end, I believe it’s this desire which trumps her dedication to public service.
Obama is hungry too but at least he is making more effort to be a bit more transparant than Hillary.
Report thisBy felicity, February 13, 2008 at 1:00 pm Link to this comment
another vast conspiracy against Hillary is unfolding - this time a vast left-wing one.
Report thisBy purplewolf, February 13, 2008 at 9:57 am Link to this comment
Don’t you have that strange feeling of de javu all over again. Isn’t Hillary pulling the same BS that Bush said he would reveal the information after “If I am elected” crap.
I didn’t know we were into reruns already.
Report thisBy sns, February 13, 2008 at 9:27 am Link to this comment
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i think all of these candidates are making me a bit ill….....
Report thisBy dammit, February 13, 2008 at 8:35 am Link to this comment
Vote for me and I’ll let you peek at my tax forms?
No thanks! You can keep your secrets. In fact, maybe you should take Bill and go someplace really secret so we don’t have to put up with your creepy dishonesty anymore.
Report thisBy KISS, February 13, 2008 at 7:30 am Link to this comment
If you expect honesty, integrity, or transparency, you are a fool.
Report thisThe system is designed that TV advertising and Madison Avenue sway you to vote for a particulate candidate…most Worker-Bees are too tired or to busy struggling to investigate and Television makes it so easy to choose.
And Television costs lots of money and Money is the name of the game, and corporations have money. This is the wonderful ” Money Equates To Free Speech” says our bought and paid for Supreme Court. So all is legal and we now live in The Fascist Republic of Amerika.
I wonder how long it will be before we do away with elections and have auctions?
Oh those Roman’s had the right idea, heh.
By Aegrus, February 13, 2008 at 7:15 am Link to this comment
My goodness…
How can anyone vote for Hillary when she dons that fake listening, smiling face? Then she goes on about discrediting Barack before acknowledging the “issue of transparency” instead of making it a cause for her to fight for.
Transparency is on the Barack Obama platform. I think it’s an important issue, and not just some silly side-discussion in an interview. Hillary, wake up or you will fail.
Report thisBy Douglas Chalmers, February 12, 2008 at 6:29 pm Link to this comment
Quote Hillary: “I’ve liquidated all my holdings - everything is in cash…”
I wonder which currency(ies)????
I am more than happy to ‘examine’ Hillary “one side up and the other side down” - as long as she agrees, of course, ha ha!
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