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Posted on Jan 22, 2008
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The campaign trail takes its toll on even the most robust constitution, as evidenced by this footage of Bill Clinton nodding off during a Martin Luther King Day speech.

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By Douglas Chalmers, January 29, 2008 at 1:07 am Link to this comment

By Petrichoriny, January 28: “I’m not playing games. I’m plainly stating what I think and feel. This is what comment boards are for…”

No, Petrichoriny, ‘cyrena’ (aka ‘truthdweller’) started out by attacking and threatening me over my “plainly stating what I think and feel” back at the beginning of this topic. You had merely bought into it to attack me for your own reasons…........

Both of you are essentially racist as well as sexist. You are hiding that behind your erroneous and misleading statements - and you now seek to justify your actions by further insolent attacks disguised as “simply calling for peace”. No doubt, the other ‘lilmamzer’-like negative nemesis will be back howling and screaming again that I dare to have any opinion whatsoever about African-Americans that doesn’t totally agree with her own bigoted views.

I was criticizing the utterly boringly pedantic words of the preacher in the video clip. So far, neither you nor cyrena have yet commented on anything I have said about that “blustering rhetoric”, Petrichoriny. If you indeed think that you are adults then you should all behave as such by responding to me with civility and intelligence - on that specific topic. This is my plea, uhh.

Once you desist in you compulsively controlling and minipulative approach, you might also realize that you are partially to blame as is she. You are both participating. The fact that I am blogging here doesn’t give either of you cause to misuse my good graces for your own self-righteous purposes. As it is, you are now seeking to make me your victim as well as already being a victim of cyrena’s uncontrolled psychotic state.

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By Petrichoriny, January 28, 2008 at 9:23 pm Link to this comment

Sorry, I messed up the italics .

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By Petrichoriny, January 28, 2008 at 9:21 pm Link to this comment

No, Douglas, I’m not playing games. I’m plainly stating what I think and feel. This is what comment boards are for.

You say that you “do not know the back story regarding cyrena” and that you do not know cyrena but then you presume to somehow know that I “had a hand in perpetuating it”. That is your own sexist garbage, Petrichoriny.

This is not sexist. I made no mention of gender in my entire posting.

Again, you have degraded and marginalized a person being abused here as being “to blame for participating in this squabbling”. Then you have the cheek to hypocritically dictate about “tact and sensitivity”.

Yes, you are partially to blame. As is she. You are both participating.

Well, no doubt you are a bit tasteless or perhaps you do just have a hard time appreciating others honesty. Despite your being aware of cyrena’s comments as being “quite alarming”, you still seem to want to emphasize that you are now dictating the terms on this blog and that, consequently, “neither of you are innocent”.

I have certainly not dictated any terms for this board. I have simply stated that I would like the bitterness to stop because it produces nothing informative nor healthy.

As it is, you have stereotyped yourself in the process.  Thus you have instated yourself as the oppressor and maintain the delusion that you and only you can dictate who is the victim and you then insist on defeating the next attacker but without acknowledging who was being attacked once again.

I’m curious as to how you think I have stereotyped myself by simply calling for peace. None of us are simply victims or attackers; we are all participants. I presume that we are all adults and so if we indeed are then we should all behave as such by responding to each other with civility and intelligence. This is my plea.

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By Petrichoriny, January 28, 2008 at 9:08 pm Link to this comment

Yes, I will certainly agree that, though strides have been made, there is much more work to be done to level the table. Equality has certainly not been established as of yet and it has been, and will continue to be, a long road for all minorities and women. I agree with you on this.

I suppose I just take a different approach. I believe that calling people names, such as a “house-negro”, really establishes nothing for the better. I firmly believe that perspective is everything. Finding the good life is a matter of how you look at your current circumstances. We all have so much to be grateful for and this we should focus on. Now remember, I’m not saying that we do not struggle, but that it is in our power to create and sustain a positive existence. Pessimism only reinforces itself; it is not productive.

This nation does not fear and loathe you for the ‘skin you are in’. There are millions of black Americans who do empathize with you, and millions of white Americans who struggle on behalf of your rights. Yes, there certainly are some people who carry superficial prejudices about us because our skin is a few shades darker than their own. These people are not the majority and therefore they are mostly irrelevant.

Of course, acknowledgment is key. We must, as you say, expose the places that hurt the most, for in order to solve a problem, we much first recognize that it exists. Then we can begin to heal. I’m trying to heal. So, as a black woman myself, I understand your frustrations, and I appreciate your contributions, but I do not empathize with your negative tactics.

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By PatrickHenry, January 27, 2008 at 1:18 pm Link to this comment

Yeah Mikey,

Hence the old saying “what goes around comes around”.

Ask the white South Africans, Rhodesians and other white inhabitants of Africa who are getting tortured, murdered and their farms taken as we speak.

I guess they deserve it because of what their great great grandfathers did….ya reckon.

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By Douglas Chalmers, January 27, 2008 at 11:37 am Link to this comment

#By Sharon Ash, January 26: “Wow! Another relevant article…. Do you feel better about yourself after that little fit…. that Cyrena, is the reality. Peace and blessings to you on the journey to your truth…”

Uhh, yes, Sharon, “truthdweller” is the name she is actually using to continue her diatribes in other topics now…......


#By rage, January 26 - “So please, stop playing the martyr, it’s really not attractive.” Give me a damned break… sugar-coating all the bitterness that we experience more than those most offended by the reality of our existence…. Part of healing is exposing the places where it hurts the most…”

Part of the pain is that it was not YOU who was enslaved, etc but you still carry the story, ‘rage’. YOU are not 200 years old so why are you still carrying all that rage - it doesn’t really belong to you at all!?!? http://www.heartlight.org/articles/200107/20010723_carrying.html

Many white people have actually helped black people throughout the ensuing years and many more since the 1960’s. If you think about it, you could not have advanced without their help and with the resultant tacit acceptance of you by white society.

Actually, neither you nor cyrena really hate white people at all. Do you think South Asians feel like you do? No, they simply expect to be accepted as equals wherever they go. This was not meant to be a lecture, uhh….....

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By PatrickHenry, January 27, 2008 at 9:17 am Link to this comment

Rage - What an arrogant, hateful, racist and bigoted response.

Check your history, many peoples (europeans included) have suffered the same fate by invading armies, famines, religious persecution. 

The tribal wars in Africa which have been going on for millennia and are currently going on today.  They result in mass capture of prisoners, which are either put to death or serve the victors, 500 years ago indentured servitude was a normal way of life throughout the world.  Maybe if the victorious african armies hadn’t sold their enemies down the river to the semite traders who then transported them to the new world, the civil war would never have happened.

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By rage, January 26, 2008 at 10:18 am Link to this comment
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“So please, stop playing the martyr, it’s really not attractive.”

Give me a damned break!

Black people born in America come into this life as martyrs. Just being born Black is our wretched portal into American discrimination, prejudice, and abuse for no more than not being ‘them.’

The past is not the only thing that hugely sucked. Being Black during the Dumya43 administration hasn’t been a cakewalk either. The affluent places of burning California were evacuated with places found for pets. NOLA is still a disaster area, second only to Anbar Province. Africans in America are still going through hell, working twice as hard to achieve half as much. I won’t deny the strides we’ve made. I won’t deny the wealth and affluence we’ve acquired. All that notwithstanding, we still have a long way to go to be viewed as much more than suspicious, the lesser, undeserving, and unqualified. Black people fight for our place in this nation everyday.

I am not a hatemonger to say out loud what too many think and feel. We WERE stolen from Africa. We were free and senscient, owned by no one until snared, bound, and taken against our will to be sold to other people. That was not only illegal, but ungodly. Generations later, we are where we are today because of that, a fact which can not and should not be ignored. If America can actually ignore that particular pile of her own rancid SHIT that still stinks up every room of her house, Dr. King wasted his life for nothing.

The Dream has yet to be realized. We are nowhere close to even resolving the issues of human equity in America, though folks like you are blinded by the facade of the ‘freedom’ you currently enjoy in your pursuit of the American Dream. I say good for you. Me? I am not going to pursue someone else’s definition of my success wherein I am deemed inferior and undeserving, no matter how hard I work to earn whatever I have in this life. Like it or not, if were white, I’d be America’s darling for accomplishing all that I have. Instead, I am seen as expendable to a nation that fears and loathes me just for the skin I am in. That ain’t hate. It’s just the truth no one wants to admit or discuss.

Stop being the atypical house-Negro enabler, sugar-coating all the bitterness that we experience more than those most offended by the reality of our existence. Part of healing is exposing the places where it hurts the most. In America, it still hurts ethnically here the most.

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By Sharon Ash, January 26, 2008 at 8:30 am Link to this comment
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Do you feel better about yourself after that little fit?  Remember, those things which we perceive in others and so enrage us, are those broken parts of ourselves which need to be addressed.  And that Cyrena, is the reality.  Peace and blessings to you on the journey to your truth.

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By cyrena, January 25, 2008 at 10:39 pm Link to this comment

Children, stop it.
Doug and Cyrena:
•  What is the purpose of perpetuating these petty attacks on each other? Really, what end to you hope to achieve?  You do not even know each other, and yet, you feel compelled to hurl such callow abuse across the web for the purpose of—-what? You’re behaving like juveniles, and cowards. So, for some reason you’ve decided you don’t like each other. Fine. But I implore you to try and establish your differences intelligently, through respectful dialog, and in this way I believe we will all benefit.

Gee,
It’s Friday, the 25th, and I’m just now getting to read all of this excitement. And, it’s pretty fucking amazing to have so much ‘written’ to and ABOUT me, on a thread where I’d previously posted ONE comment, -yes- ONE comment, in response to a typically distasteful one from the resident psychotic – Douglas Chalmers.

Yep, that’s what it boils down to. A ONE comment response to Chalmers, (3 days ago) and look what it has wrought. I’ve got lectures from somebody I’ve never heard of. Maybe others would be flattered by all of this attention, but please believe me when I tell you…I AM NOT.

Now, anyone who reads these comments for any extended period of time, (and Petrichoriny,you haven’t) will figure out what the deal is. Now, take a moment, Petrichoriny, and look back over this thread, and see who has actually ‘sucked you in’.

Again, I will point to the fact that I had made A SINGLE COMMENT REPONSE to Chalmers, and it has resulted in a series of missives from HIM, that you’ve bought right into. (that I obviously missed for three days).

Now, I don’t know why Chalmers is so obsessed with me. I only know that he gives me a whole lot of power and influence that I damn sure didn’t ask for. You are certainly correct in stating that we don’t know each other. He thinks I’m a lawyer. (I’m not). He thinks I have something to do with the California justice system. I don’t.

However, I DID just note something in one these multiple diatribes against me, which is actually scary, because ALL of these diatribes point to a frightening mentality directed at me – personally.

Note this:

•  If you can’t see that, you also can’t see that there may have well been PM messages previously between parties and you really can’t be aware of the full extent of the issue.”

DC wrote this to you, and is referring to a PM msg or 2 that he sent to me, maybe a year or so ago, give or take. He seemed harmless enough at the time, but there was no reason to continue any personal correspondence, at least not that I could see. I’m only involved in these public forums as they are exactly THAT – PUBLIC forums. So, I don’t happen to have any PERSONAL interest in DC. Now maybe THAT’S his problem. I don’t know.

At any rate, over time, DC has exposed his psychotic nature, and anyone who’s been reading the stuff that he comes up with, has figured out that he’s got more ‘issues’ than the NYT.

In the meantime, it IS reasonable and logical to expect ANY person to defend his/herself against unwarranted attacks. And, me being the outspoken person that I am, I will certainly voice disagreement or criticism when he says the incredibly distasteful things that he says. That was the reason for the ONE comment that I made to him, when I called him the monumental asshole that he is, for claiming what he thought black folks should be doing to commemorate the life and work of Dr. King.

So you’re right, you DON’T know the ‘back story’, but only because there IS NO ‘back story’, aside from whatever exists in this dude’s troubled mind.

I’m also perfectly capable of speaking for and on behalf of myself. So, if you have questions about me, or my intentions, or anything that I may say on these boards, you should direct them to me.

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By cyrena, January 25, 2008 at 9:18 pm Link to this comment

Yours is a curious response Sharon, to the ONE comment that I’ve posted to this thread, which happened to be in RESPONSE to Douglas Chalmers. So, I suspect that anyone actually seeing things for what they are, would have a different response.

You’ve already proven your Ann Coulter ideology, and even admitted to it. You’ve tagged Obama’s ancestry as a bunch of machete wielders, and made various similar comments.

And, for anyone that looks at my own comments, (at least on this thread) there’s nothing at all ‘shrill’ about my response to Chalmers, when he suggests that black people should do something for human rights themselves, instead of expecting others to do it for them.

So, my own response (which I could certainly have foregone entirely – and I’ll admit that), was simply a response to what was a totally inappropriate comment, FROM HIM, to begin with.

As for any person or group believing that EVERYTHING is about ‘them’, you’re crazier than bat shit.

But then, as an Ann Coulter understudy, who can’t even hear or read, or process common knowledge.  Aren’t you the one who got pissed off and accused Dennis Kucinich, a very heroic and courageous individual of ‘telling us who to vote for’ when he exercised a standard election/campaign procedure during the Iowa Caucuses? Yeah, I’m pretty sure it WAS you, though the comment was too stupid for me to want to repeat.

So actually Sharon, it is YOU who are irrelevant, at least to anyone other than yourself. And, you’re incredibly ignorant on top of it. But, you’re not alone, and so you can hide behind your computer and throw all of the darts you want. As long as it makes YOU feel good, that’s pretty much all that matters, right?

The rest of us are free to ignore you.

Meantime, my quarrel with Chalmers is simply his own arrogance in assigning himself as a mind reader. He ‘knows what ails’ me and other women of color. Actually, he doesn’t, because there isn’t much that ails me, that doesn’t ail the average person these days, regardless of the race or gender. There is no DOUBT that black women have been at the bottom of the socio-economic totem pole – FOREVER, and anyone who chooses to ignore that only shows their own ignorance, and failure to address the realities of what has always been, (at least in America) a grotesquely imbalance system or social justice and equality. You can pretend that it doesn’t exist, since most folks (especially those like you) always have, and always will.

But, if you think that’s gonna stop the rest of us, it won’t. Because, contrary to what Douglas Chalmers has suggested in his own ignorance, black women and black people in general have come one hell of a long way in the past 4 decades, and it damn sure because they were waiting on white folks to help them.

Nope, in reality, Martin Luther King, Jr was the last (or most recent) kick start to that operation, and it’s really shameful that so many white folks continue to be ignorant to the fact that his was not just a ‘dream for black people’ but a dream for HUMANITY.

So, it’s NOT about just one group of humanity Sharon, it’s about HUMANITY – PERIOD. Black folks have obviously been at the heart of that movement, because it began with a demand to be treated equally, in that recognition of HUMANITY.

You and Douglas live in alternative realities. If you can survive, fine. But for the rest of humanities’ purposes, you simply present as a minor inconvenience that can and should be ignored. It’s kind of like me not pampering a case of the sniffles. Now if I had the flu, I’d have to address it. But with something or someone like you, it’s just a matter of blowing my nose, and flushing the tissue. Then I wash my hands, and get back to work.

So have a great day, and a great year, in whatever reality it is that you exist. The rest of us have work to do, just like we have been, for however long we’ve been around to do it.

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By Douglas Chalmers, January 25, 2008 at 7:41 pm Link to this comment

#By Petrichoriny, January 25: ”...I won’t be sucked into any games because I do not play them. Except Scrabble…”

Actually, you are playing a little game here yourself, Petrichoriny. In itself, it is also petty, futile and a distraction from the issues we’re supposed to be commenting on.

You say that you “do not know the back story regarding cyrena” and that you do not know cyrena but then you presume to somehow know that I “had a hand in perpetuating it”. That is your own sexist garbage,  Petrichoriny.

Again, you have degraded and marginalized a person being abused here as being “to blame for participating in this squabbling”. Then you have the cheek to hypocritically dictate about “tact and sensitivity”.

Well, no doubt you are a bit tasteless or perhaps you do just have a hard time appreciating others honesty. Despite your being aware of cyrena’s comments as being “quite alarming”, you still seem to want to emphasize that you are now dictating the terms on this blog and that, consequently,  “neither of you are innocent”.

As it is, you have stereotyped yourself in the process.  Thus you have instated yourself as the oppressor and maintain the delusion that you and only you can dictate who is the victim and you then insist on defeating the next attacker but without acknowledging who was being attacked once again.

So, take it or leave it, Petrichoriny.


#By rage, January 25: “This arrogant fucker doesn’t know one damned thing about being black…. So, Fuck Chalmers… and Dr. King’s Dream…”

Stay in your “dream” if you will, ‘rage’, but do let me know if you are a good fuck or not, though. I might want to try…... anything will do these days, uhh.

As Petrichoriny is taking comfort in obliquely blaming the victims of you and cyrena, what have YOU done for civil rights YOURSELF, rage? You still haven’t answered the question - are you avoiding it, or just avoiding doing anything???

Having been married to (a) a colored woman, and (b) an Asian woman, and having four children, I am sadly aware of what ails you and cyrena, rage. It IS your own problem and there is NOTHING that anyone could possibly do for you to help.

Despite Petrichoriny’s trying to smear me with the “victim mentality”, it is you who should take a good look at what you have domne to yourselves. Endlessly whining about “I have a dream” but never putting it into practice is your greatest current excuse for doing nothing.

I can categorically say that most black preachers since MLK have absolutely no idea what “I have been to the mountan” really means. There is a mystical meaning for that, you know - it is not merely a figure of speech. That IS where you realize the “dream” of what is truly achievable by all of humanity.

But bringing that into the world and into manifestation requires the efforts and good will of ALL men and women, black, white, etc etc. It certainly requires YOUR utmost effort. Endlessly screaming in helpless rage (that’s you, rage!) only ensures that you stay in a helpless and hopeless state. From there, you can still go backwards….....

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By Petrichoriny, January 25, 2008 at 5:38 pm Link to this comment

Response to “rage”:

Your wide-sweeping generalizations add nothing substantial to your argument. You can not lump all black people or white people into once category nor can you make excuses for anyone’s misdeeds based on their race. I would like to make you aware that you in fact stereotype yourself in the process. I am a black woman and I will be the first to assert that black people have not earned “every damn thing they have” and as a whole they certainly do not “human rights are equitably available to all humanity”. No single ethnicity has done that as a collective. So please, stop playing the martyr, it’s really not attractive.

Overall, race is arbitrary; there are very few, highly superficial genetic differences between the races. Your focus on these slight differences is limiting your ability to see the greater commonalities shared by all people. Addressing these shared points of humanity will help us achieve a sustainable peace and tolerance.

We all realize that yes, the history of black culture has been one of enslavement, discrimination, prejudice, and abuse. This also goes for the Native American cultures, the Jewish culture, and women of every stripe. I think the descendants of all minorities deserve our empathy and consideration when we observe modern day conflicts and statistics. But “rage”, I must remind you that you were not enslaved. You were not stolen from Africa and made a captive laborer. You need to get current. Focus on the here, the now, and what we can do to mend our differences and unite ourselves with all humanity. The past sucked, definitely, but with your incessant hate-mongering you’re not doing a thing to bring about a better future. I’m sorry you’re bitter, and lashing out on a comment board, for I don’t think you realize that by constantly reinstating yourself as the victim you are your only oppressor and you defeat yourself on a daily basis.

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By rage, January 25, 2008 at 12:37 pm Link to this comment
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“Perhaps even black people should commemorate it as a day in which they can state what they HAVE done for huamn rights for the year - not what they would like someone else to do for them?!?!”

This arrogant fucker doesn’t know one damned thing about being black or the struggle of the African Diaspora in AmeriKKKa. Black people pursue The Dream and commemorate the Dr. King’s work everyday by merely having survived to continue our struggle another day. Even with that, Africans in America strive daily to ensure HUMAN RIGHTS are equitably available to ALL HUMANITY, begging no one for a DAMNED THING!!! We have worked our asses down to the bone in circumstances unimagined by his type to EARN whatever the hell we have managed to get. Africans were literally snared and captured, illegally brought to America, sold to other human beings, and forced through torture and abuse, maintained by legal institutionalization, to put our backs into building The United States of America with our muscle, blood, sweat, and tears FOR FREE! We still suffer indignities and inequities that other ethnicities are spared, just because of our slave heritage in this country.

So, Fuck Chalmers! Africans in AmeriKKKa have EARNED every damned thing we have, and THEN SOME. He’s just another malicious entitled white accuser taking comfort in blaming the victims of the crimes of imperial hegemony that his forefathers horrifically committed several centuries ago. His response to our perpetual struggle for civil rights and Dr. King’s Dream is consistent with the crass indifference and obtuse thoughtlessness too often expressed by the privileged beneficiaries of the ruse known as the American Dream.

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By Petrichoriny, January 25, 2008 at 11:24 am Link to this comment

Douglas:

Thank you for your thoughtful reply. I trust that your warning about being “sucked into her game” (regarding Cyrena) was intended as kind advice, however, I can assure you I won’t be sucked into any games because I do not play them. Except Scrabble.

I’m sorry if you took offense to the term “children”. I didn’t mean to offend you. All I meant to imply was that your bickering was petty, futile, and as you yourself pointed out, a distraction from the issues we’re supposed to be commenting on. Ahem. I’m aware that I do not know the back story regarding you and cyrena. I’m sure it’s very extensive and probably quite hateful, and therefore, impossibly tedious.

I have to disagree with you, however, and insist that, yes, this is a petty squabble that you also have a hand in perpetuating. Anyone who made it through elementary school knows that bullies love to get heated reactions out of their victims and that is what you continue to provide. Now, I do not know cyrena or the extent of your interactions, so I can not say whether or not she is indeed bullying you. Be that as it may, I understand that you are convinced that cyrena is tormenting you and in this case you have two options: 1) Ignore her. Completely. 2) Contact Truthdig and alert them to your discomfort. However, if you continue to squabble like this with cyrena you will have partly yourself to blame for participating in this squabbling.

Now I’ll be quite honest and say that I did find some of the remarks you, Douglas, made about Black people on this message board to be a bit tasteless. Now, maybe I just have a hard time appreciating your honesty, so maybe I should work on that, and perhaps you might want to consider crafting your comments with a bit more tact and sensitivity. Just some kind advice; take it or leave it. Of course I found a few of cyrena’s comments quite alarming and contradictory, especially, ” So, perhaps even black people should just kick your ass, and put you out of your incredible misery.” followed immediately by, “How sad it is to be so consumed with hate.” This juxtaposition of sentiments seems a bit, well, contradictory. However, I only point all this out because I want to emphasize the fact that neither of you are innocent in this, both have been slanderous, and someone is going to have to step up, get over their pride, and be the bigger person here. Who will it be?

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By Sharon Ash, January 25, 2008 at 9:40 am Link to this comment
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Bill Clinton falls asleep.  My God, how awful.  He’s only being putting in what, 12 and 14 hour days for weeks now, is elderly, probably consuming nothing but typical, on-the-road, unhealthy food during this time.  I believe it is called exhaustion. And yet, people on this blog have managed to turn this into another race debate.  Does Bill Clinton really care about blacks?  Well, then how could he fall asleep while a black is speaking?  There is something inherently wrong with the self esteem of any individual or group who thinks everything is about them. Cyrena, you have become shrill, and along with shrill, comes irrelevance to your discussion.

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By Douglas Chalmers, January 23, 2008 at 7:35 pm Link to this comment

By Petrichoriny, January 23: “What is the purpose of perpetuating these petty attacks on each other…”

Thakn you for your interest, Petrichoriny, but who do you think you are addressing as “children”? This is not a “petty squabble” but repeated malicious harassment and threats of violence - against me!

If you can’t “establish the difference” intelligently, you are indirectly aiding and abetting an illegal act. And cyrena supposed works for the Calif. justice or education department as a law/justice lecturer, ugh!

Again, thank you, but one person IS acting as a coward by utilizing the level playing field of this blog to pursue a vindictive sexist and racist agenda. Do you understand?

If you can’t see that, you also can’t see that there may have well been PM messages previously between parties and you really can’t be aware of the full extent of the issue.

As regards #Liza, January 23’s impudently insolent comment that “when I see the name “Douglas Chalmers” on a comment, I skip right over it”, that IS the intended outcome for cyrena’s repetitive disruptions as a kind of smear tactic.

I don’t know Liza and, quite frankly, I don’t want to. Obviously, none of you have any real concept of how to address another blogger who you know little or nothing about.

What is disappointing is that, as a result of cyrena’s abuse, none of my comments have been realistacally addressed and the entire issue is now side-tracked. That IS what she wants.

Thus, the point is that people are being prevented from discussing anything sensitively for fear of being either attacked (by cyrena) or smeared (by Liza) or otherwise labelled as sexist or racist.

The fact is that there is a covert agenda being perpetuated recently as a means of attacking any criticism of Barack Obama by instantly labelling any disagreement with cyrena’s biased views as racist based on Obama’s ethnicity as well as cyrena’s.

In effect, cyrena also uses her sex as an additional excuse to label any male person as sexist if they disagree with her. The average male is easily deluded in that respect. Better wake up, Petrichoriny, before you get sucked into her game.

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By Petrichoriny, January 23, 2008 at 6:23 pm Link to this comment

Doug and Cyrena:

What is the purpose of perpetuating these petty attacks on each other? Really, what end to you hope to achieve?  You do not even know each other, and yet, you feel compelled to hurl such callow abuse across the web for the purpose of—-what? You’re behaving like juveniles, and cowards. So, for some reason you’ve decided you don’t like each other. Fine. But I implore you to try and establish your differences intelligently, through respectful dialog, and in this way I believe we will all benefit.

Thank you.

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By Liza, January 23, 2008 at 10:36 am Link to this comment

Bill and Hill, two old warhorses who want to rule the world.  Someone should show them the way to the pasture.

Cyrena, when I see the name “Douglas Chalmers” on a comment, I skip right over it.  I suspect that a lot of people do.

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By jackpine savage, January 23, 2008 at 9:38 am Link to this comment

I saw this a few days ago, and so i’ve had some time to think on it.

MLK III (the speaker) was droning on pretty badly, so as hard as it is for me to admit, i can feel for Mr. Clinton.

On the other hand, for all we hear about his political acumen, this was an incredibly stupid thing to do.  The dozing can be explained, but the looking at his watch cannot. 

And while this is petty and really without meaning, our entire campaign system is built on pettiness and lack of meaning…which makes episodes like this meaningful.  As campaign gaffes go, this one is pretty big.

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By Paracelsus, January 23, 2008 at 7:15 am Link to this comment

Yawn…

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By johnp, January 23, 2008 at 7:14 am Link to this comment

for some tech savvy creative individual to float in /superimpose Hillary and her jabber about how she is going to fix things..I am surprised it hasn’t been done yet.

any takers?

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By Douglas Chalmers, January 23, 2008 at 5:59 am Link to this comment

By cyrena, January 23: “Still a monumental asshole, eh Chalmers….. So, perhaps even black people should just kick your ass, and put you out of your incredible misery. How sad it is to be so consumed with hate….”

Such beautifully eloquent phrases you have chosen to use these days, cyrena. If there’s one thing a woman like you can’t stand, it is a man who isn’t stupid enough to run sniffing and howling after you begging for whatever you have left to offer, uhh.

Thus, you yourself are filled with your own self-hatred and your musings are no more than mere jests to others who can see you for what you really are, ha ha. Such unendearing hip-hoprisy from you, again.

The “late and great hero”, indeed. That is, any excuse for you to justify your own personal vicious crusade against any WHITE man (or, white MAN) who is unfortunate enough to cross your miserable path.

This is now at least your second threat of physical violence against me, cyrena. Again, I ask does your employer know what you are really like? Do you have access to psychological support and counselling?

No wonder poor Bill Clinton went to sleep if he had to put up with what I have to put up with from you here on Truthdig, cyrena. Your lot are so pedantically BORING!

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By cyrena, January 23, 2008 at 5:10 am Link to this comment

Still a monumental asshole, eh Chalmers?

How would YOU even know what black have done to commemorate the day?

Did you actually listen to what you call blustering rhetoric by the son of the late and great hero? Did you hear him asking for somebody else to do something for him, or for black people in general?

Well, bill obviously missed it, and apparently you did too. But then, you always do.

So, perhaps even black people should just kick your ass, and put you out of your incredible misery.

How sad it is to be so consumed with hate.

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By Douglas Chalmers, January 23, 2008 at 4:00 am Link to this comment

Sadly, blustering rhetoric (as truthful as it may be) takes its toll on even the most revered occasion as Martin Luther King Day now is, uhh.

Perhaps it would be a better day for million-man/woman marches? Perhaps even black people should commemorate it as a day in which they can state what they HAVE done for huamn rights for the year - not what they would like someone else to do for them?!?!

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