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Posted on Dec 31, 2007
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As the primaries loom ever closer, presidential candidates are contending not only with each other, firing and deflecting accusations at a furious pace, but with themselves—scrambling to “put into context” (i.e., rationalize) things they have said, or written, as in Huckabee’s case here.  In this clip, “Meet the Press” host Tim Russert holds Huckabee’s feet to the fire over a passage from the former Arkansas governor’s 1998 book, “Kids Who Kill,” in which Huckabee appears to equate homosexuality with necrophilia and pedophilia.

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By PatrickHenry, January 6, 2008 at 5:51 pm Link to this comment

I wonder whats in the Koolaide in Iowa?

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By John Borowski, January 6, 2008 at 5:21 am Link to this comment
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Can you imagine folks, if the huckster becomes president he will be the first mortal ever to be telling god what to do?

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By joe, January 5, 2008 at 5:57 am Link to this comment
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purplewolf,  Ron Paul, as you’ve been told several times, does not rule-out abortion: he leaves it to individual States, as required by the Constitution and its Amendments9-10. This will come immediately on the heels of Roe being excised from the Supreme Court and from from Judicial activism. Please take time to read both Paul’s policy positions and the Constitution upon which they’re based. Dr. Paul has made it clear repeatedly, that although he finds the practice of infant-torture to be reprehensible in any advanced civilization, he will strictly adhere to the laws of the land, as promulgated by the intended power-brokers, the individual States.
Since it is clear both to libertarians and to many young people that the existing Federal gov has broken-down…no longer able to plan rationally or control its spending, a new, clear direction, based on the intent of the Constitution is being offered as a remedy by Dr.Paul.

Federal Government has broken down, Ron Paul will ensure it retains only powers listed as Federal, with the vast powers of government meant for the States finally safeguarded by them.

I urge you to read discussed topics and also for you to subordinate your policy concerns to the good of the country and the world. 

It’s worth mentioning that hundreds of thousands of American women who were coaxed into having abortions through bad or incomplete advice, are now suffering from misery and depression at the loss of this child they would now be able to hold dearly.

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By Conservative Yankee, January 4, 2008 at 6:54 am Link to this comment
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By fattdaddy, January 3 at 5:28 pm #

“go ahead”... “and puke,”


“Man you didn’t give me enough time, this is some real disgusting shit… I’ll need a couple of days to recover….”

BUT

God talks to me too… I think it’s god… He keeps saying “Don’t vote for a Huckabee….” (add the ghostly strains of Scrooges ghosts and some Scooby Doo scary music)

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By cyrena, January 4, 2008 at 4:06 am Link to this comment

Ender, herein lies the irony:

If there is a Heaven and Hell, then the Christians of this nation are in for quite a shock when they wake up dead in a burning Hell.

There IS no Heaven or Hell!! That’s why these people piss me off! They do all of this evil in the here and now, and never have to be accountable for it.

Now there may be SOME people, (like the ‘good Germans’) who thought they were doing the right thing, just like there were a whole bunch of Americans convinced that they were doing the right thing to go to Iraq, and make war on innocent people, because the 4th Reich, (the Cheney Cabal) told them that.

Now THEY may one day wake up and say, Oh my God, what have I done, and all too often, they DO pay the ultimate price.

But not the ones who knowingly sent them to do the evil. For whatever the reason, they’re still walking around, living the good life.

Hell, they don’t even have the decency to kill themselves. At least Hitler did that.

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By cyrena, January 4, 2008 at 3:54 am Link to this comment

Thomas Billis,

I couldn’t have said it better, even though I just tried my best, in addressing Driving Bear on the other Huckabee site.

I came up with the same ‘diagnosis’ - HATE. But I just haven’t learned how to do it succinctly enough.

I think it’s because while I can comprehend hate, and evil, and even accept that they exist, I can NEVER get my mind wrapped around the delivery of it, via some religious method!!!

I mean, even Hitler didn’t use Jesus and God to exercise his hate.

How do they do it? Will I ever understand?

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By Thomas Billis, January 3, 2008 at 11:19 pm Link to this comment

If Hitler had only smiled more.These preacher types are good.Smile and speak softly when you are talking such prejudicial bullshit.The message is hate but the package is love.

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By laughoutloud, January 3, 2008 at 6:45 pm Link to this comment
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fatdaddy forgot to take his meds again! 

hey fatdaddy, just because you hear voices inyour head does not mean that its god.

the son of sam heard voices too, wonder if it was god?

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By fattdaddy, January 3, 2008 at 6:28 pm Link to this comment

Outraged;

How do I know?

Because God him self told me so…Okay, go ahead and laugh, I will give you a moment to laugh and puke, it’s okay, you will be alright…It is also a thing called Faith….

I do not expect you to understand because you live for the world and I do not…God says that His word shall stand forever and that He is the same today, yesterday, and forever…

I am aware of other bibles that have been written, however, they were written by man, not God…God’s spirit moved upon the Prophets and the Apostles to write the bible, again, I do not expect you to understand because you are unlearned unto the word of God, and it takes more than just reading the word…

Like I said before, man is not to interpret the word of God…That is what is wrong with so many of these religions today, they have interpreted it to meet their needs and their lifestyles, which is a sin, which is blasphemy of the Holy Ghost,(God’s spirit)...

I agree with the fact that many religions are just totally lost, totally ignorant unto their own religion…I believe in my God and you believe in yours…With that said, can your god heal? Can your god save your soul? Can your god offer you eternal life with Him in His kingdom? “No”

God called me to His church to learn about Him and the world in which we live in…Then, God commanded me to go out into the world and to preach the gospel to every creature, so that is what I do…I understand that it offends many people, it use to offend me, until I saw the light…

Well, I would not want to bore you or anyone else here or make you sick…“Remember this people, every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall confess that Jesus is the Christ”...

You do what you do because you believe in what you are doing, I do what I do because I believe in what I do, I have Faith in my God…

Do I know everything about God, of course not…But I do know about life here on earth…There is bad and good in all religions, in all faiths, but like anything else in life, don’t let a few bad apples spoil your taste for truth…

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By C Quil, January 3, 2008 at 1:34 pm Link to this comment

Instead of peddling his pseudo-Christian educational packages to his state schools, prisons and other unfortunates, I think Mike Huckabee should go back and have another look at Sesame Street.

Question: Homosexuality, necrophilia, pedophilia…

(Cue music)

“One of these things is not like the others,
One of these things just doesn’t belong,
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
By the time I finish my song?”

Can’t see that one doesn’t belong, Mikey?

You fail. You’re busted back to nursery school.

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By purplewolf, January 3, 2008 at 12:45 pm Link to this comment

Village Elder:
“Given that many repugs were educated, etc…

One of my doctors once said,“Education is not intelligence.” This is a very true statement. And as history has shown, along with large sums of money to these institutions of higher learning, anyone can buy an education. The best example that immediately comes to mind is George W. Bush. Nuf sed.

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By cyrena, January 3, 2008 at 11:52 am Link to this comment

I had to giggle at this about the ALL CAPS CHRISTIAN, but I thought I’d offer an explanation, at least according to what the ALL CAPS CHRISTIAN says is the reason for this.

Apparently fattdaddy is visually impaired, and so that’s why he uses the all caps. So, that would presume that it doesn’t really have anything to do with the fact that he’s discussing the bible, except of course it’s really the ONLY thing he ever talks about, so…who knows. wink

And yes, there is quite a wide variety here. You’ll either be delightfully impressed, or you’ll be downright pissed off, or somewhere in-between.

But, that’s what keeps it interesting and informative.

Now, I’m not the official ‘meeter and greeter’ here or anything. But, welcome anyway…

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By cyrena, January 3, 2008 at 9:54 am Link to this comment

•  I think folks get infatuated with him because of the possibility of a radical change.  It’s the “any change would be better than this” theory.

This is exactly what it is. In a word, folks are DESPERATE, and can we really blame them? I’m feeling pretty desperate myself sometimes, and if I’ve calmed down a bit now, it’s only because I was desperate before the rest of the pack, and I’ve had time to ‘adjust’.

Still, I wrote on another RP thread, what I learned some years back: Desperate people do desperate things.

And so it is. I think that folks now see and view even moderate candidates as part of the same old same old, (and to an extent, they are) and so they look to something that is an OBVIOUS radical departure from that, because as you say, RP is upfront about that much at least, and some folks are perfectly comfortable with the misogyny, and they don’t see the rest. They also don’t see that HIS is the agenda, (even in its radical nature) that is little different from what the repugs have shoved on us. They reject what is actually moderate to liberal, without understanding that the gangsters in control for the past 7 years, have been the most RADICAL that we’ve seen in my own lifetime. (or maybe in the history of the nation). 

So, I definitely understand what you’re saying, having reached the same conclusion. And, that makes it all the more frightening, if only because we’re in this together. If enough people were to be fooled, YET AGAIN, we can just lean over and kiss our asses’ goodbye. Crude maybe, but that’s the bottom line.

And yes, I do indeed remember that Ralph Reed thing that got out, proving that they had been manipulating and exploiting the misinformed psyches of the Religious Right, and their superficially crafted visions of ‘family values’.

Yep, you’re right about how much the Religios have in common with Islam. (at least the Islamists) Religious extremists are religious extremists, no matter what you dress them up in, or what we ‘call’ them. The irony is that most of them don’t even get that. They’re too busy praying to their god, to beat up the other guy’s god. Meantime, I’d cheerfully kick ALL of their asses…if I could. wink

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By BP, January 3, 2008 at 4:34 am Link to this comment
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How do people get away with claiming moral superiority when their systems of faith espouse so much hatred, violence, paranoia, and war on others?

If loving all people, including those the Religious Right deem “abhorrent” makes me abhorrent, well, sign me up.

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By Larry A. Taylor, January 2, 2008 at 7:47 pm Link to this comment
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmuYoDO6n_k
http://www.mikehuckabeepresident2008.blogspot.com/

Huckabee, supporting anti-choice position in front of conspicuous “Jesus Fish” sign.

It seems that the “Floating Cross” ad was not an accident.

LAT

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By VillageElder, January 2, 2008 at 4:03 pm Link to this comment

Cyreana

Thanks for your comments. 

Rue Paul is up front about his theology, authoritarianism and misogyny.  Just look at his web site or listen to him speak.  I think folks get infatuated with him because of the possibility of a radical change.  It’s the “any change would be better than this” theory.  Given what he’s said and his voting record I feel sure that he would make use of all the methods Bush & Co. have put in place for a fascist government I would be based on “family values” of course.

Huckabee is basically the same package in friendlier packaging.

The agenda of the Religious Right, which seems to be neither, is to enforce their brand of morality on all.  There is a long tradition of requiring conversion at sword point.  (Isn’t it nice to share a tradition with Islam?)  Their convention, from their holy book, is feudal organization which ties in nicely with modern fascism.  Progressives and Secular Humanists with liberal leanings would be considered minions of the “old evil foe”.  They are afraid and opposed to the modern world and want to retreat to the bronze age with “men” in charge.

Your speculation about repugs using using religious posturing to hide another agenda is correct.  Think back a bit to the Abramoff scandals.  Ralph Reed was tied in to the web.  There were remarks that you could tell them anything and they would vote for it if it was tied to god.  Some of the remarks in the correspondence of the principals in that affair indicate the low regard they had for the religious right.

Given that many of the repugs were educated, received diplomas from recognized institutions, one might surmise that they would be somewhat aware of modern science.  Given their supposed levels of education it is hard to believe that they would reject everything latter than th 17th century and some of that is probably suspect.

I agree the agenda is not fully revealed, particularly in MSM.

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By BruSays, January 2, 2008 at 3:47 pm Link to this comment

...don’t get on the hamster wheel with Fattdaddy.

It’s impossible to discuss truth with someone who maintains that the Bible is God’s word because the Bible says it is God’s word. You’ll go nowhere and do nothing but exercize your fingers on the keyboard.

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By ender, January 2, 2008 at 1:45 pm Link to this comment

Seriously folks:  If the Republicorps are the party of God, then we’ed be better off voting for the SATAN HIMSELF because they’ve turned us all into war criminals and mass murderers by complicency.  If there is a Heaven and Hell, then the Christians of this nation are in for quite a shock when they wake up dead in a burning Hell.  I wonder if it happened the same way in Germany.  Did the Third Reich convince good people they were fighting the evil minions of Satan when the polgroms began?  Were their Jews our Iraqis?  Then you wake up one day realizing that you’ve been supporting evil on scale the world has rarely seen before, but it’s too late to say “WOOPS!”?

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By ender, January 2, 2008 at 12:04 pm Link to this comment
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Any morality judgement from Huckster sets my ethical compass spinning like a top.  He’s a war hawk in a Christian Dove suit.

Leading my nation into an illegal war and killing a half million humans in the name of oil and the Carlisle group is immoral.

Compared to that, getting a blowjob in the oval office is a sacrement.  Heck, Bill could have given BJs from under the desk and not be the war criminal and madman that the Republicorps Main Man the Cocaine Cowboy has proven to be.

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By John Borowski, January 2, 2008 at 11:58 am Link to this comment
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James Madison: “The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home.”
Sinclair Lewis: “when fascism comes to this country, it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross.”
John Borowski: “The insanity and evil of humankind will only destroy this earth after the two above become reality”

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By Intheknow, January 2, 2008 at 11:54 am Link to this comment
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Stop me if you’ve heard this before, “The height of arrogance is the height of control when man creates a god in his image”

The power of truth always seems to overcome the truth of power.  You vote for someone because they believe in a god, you vote for someone who can’t think for them self. When you have someone in office who believes in a so-called god, it only enables them to keep killing.  One of the greatest advertising campaigns ever invented!

And since I’m gay, it only makes my comment more for the holy rollers to judge…

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By Wronghead, January 2, 2008 at 11:09 am Link to this comment

Wow, Cyrena’s post about Ron Paul was one of the most thoughtful replies I have seen in a long time on any site.

Ironically, I haven’t seen an “ALL CAPS CHRISTIAN” using the bible to justify itself in a long time, and yet here one is on the same post. This site offers a wide variety.

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By Outraged, January 2, 2008 at 7:02 am Link to this comment

Word of God

fattdaddy:

Still you haven’t answered my question.  It is well documented that the bible was not written in English.  It is also well documented that it was written in Hebrew and Greek.  So on that we can agree.  I still don’t know how you KNOW it is the word of God.  How did you come to that conclusion?  How do you know that the BIBLE is the word of God?

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By cyrena, January 2, 2008 at 6:00 am Link to this comment

•  2) INTERPRETATIONS OF THE BIBLE ARE GOD’S ALONE ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE, MAN IS NOT TO INTERPRET THE WORD OF GOD…

Fattdaddy,

If this is the case, and only god can interpret it, and man cannot…

HOW DO WE KNOW WHAT IT MEANS? Only god can do it. NOT man.

So, what’s up with that?

How do I know he isn’t after my money?

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By cyrena, January 2, 2008 at 5:04 am Link to this comment

Outraged, Ya got that?

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By Johnny, January 2, 2008 at 4:26 am Link to this comment
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Most of the Republican base have been trained to hate by organized religion. Whether it is the Jew, the Muslim, the negro, the fag or the illegal immigrant (read: Hispanic), to win favor with the core of the Republican party a candidate must espouse his own disfavor with any or all of this group. It doesn’t matter to his core if he later has to “explain” his position, they’ve already heard his REAL position. So it is with Huckabee.

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By fattdaddy, January 2, 2008 at 3:58 am Link to this comment

Outraged;

RE: fattdaddy
****I am curious as to HOW you have validated the bible as “THE WORD OF GOD”.....  In other words, what steps have you taken to investigate these historical works and their many interpretations?****

1) THE BIBLE WAS NOT WRITTEN IN OUR LANGUAGE, THEREFORE, TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE WORD OF GOD, YOU MUST RESEARCH THE HEBREW AND GREEK LANGUAGE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE WORDING USED IN OUR LANGUAGE WHEN THE BIBLE WAS TRANSLATED…

2) INTERPRETATIONS OF THE BIBLE ARE GOD’S ALONE ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE, MAN IS NOT TO INTERPRET THE WORD OF GOD…THIS IS WHY THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT RELIGIONS TODAY, BECAUSE THEY ALL HAVE THEIR OWN INTERPRETATIONS…THAT IS WHY THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT BIBLES TODAY…

3) THERE ARE SO MANY FALSE DOCTRINES, FALSE PREACHERS, FALSE TEACHERS, AND FALSE PROPHETS IN THIS WORLD TODAY, IT MAKES ME SICK, IT IS NO WONDER MAN HATES RELIGION TODAY, WHO DO YOU TRUST? THE WORD OF GOD, NOT THE WORD OF MAN…

THE BIBLE SPEAKS OF THESE DAYS IN THE BIBLE AND TOLD US TO BEWARE…MAN HAS TAKEN RELIGION AND USED IT LIKE A USED CAR SALESMAN, I DISLIKE SALESMAN/WOMEN, I DO NOT LIKE TO BE PRESSURED INTO BUYING SOME THING…PEOPLE DO NOT LIKE BEING PRESSURE INTO BELIEVING ONE RELIGION OR ANOTHER…

I DO NOT TAKE THE WORD OF GOD LIGHTLY AND I DO NOT KNOW ALL THERE IS TO KNOW ABOUT GOD, TO CLAIM THAT WOULD MAKE ME A LIAR, FOR ANY MAN TO CLAIM HE KNOWS ALL THINGS ABOUT GOD WOULD BE A LIAR, AND IT WOULD BE WISE TO RUN AS FAST AS YOU CAN FROM HIM/HER BECAUSE THEY ARE AFTER YOUR MONEY…

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By fattdaddy, January 2, 2008 at 3:32 am Link to this comment

Conservative Yankee;

DANG, WERE EVEN JUDGED ON WHETHER WE USE CAPS OR NOT…WOW, WHATS THIS WORLD COMING TO…

NOT YELLING, EASIER TO READ FOR ME, BUT THAT IS JUST ME….

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By cyrena, January 1, 2008 at 8:50 pm Link to this comment

Village Elder,

Thanks so much for weighing in on this. I always look forward to your comments.

My only ‘addition’ (if it can even be called that) is to call into question the concept of true ‘ignorance’ on the part of these candidates, as well as those who apparently seem to support these people, based on these antiquated ideologies that existed long before the Enlightenment.

I say that to say that in respect to both of these men, Paul and Huckabee, I’m just not entirely sure that it IS simply a matter of ignorance, or even the mentality that is guided by religious texts from thousands of years ago, when it would appear that hate and misogyny (and various similar things) ruled the day. In other words, I’m not so sure that the whole religious thing doesn’t cover for a hidden agenda, specifically in terms of Ron Paul. (Huckabee really could be this ignorant – I honestly don’t know.)

To that discussion, I’d like to direct you to an excellent piece that Outraged posted on the thread where RP ‘doesn’t accept evolution”. The specific post is #123521. I don’t want to try to repost the ENTIRE thing here, because it didn’t reference Huckabee at all. But, here’s just a summary of what the thing basically points to, which is that we might guess that there is far more of a hidden political agenda to this whole ‘godly thing’ than there really is to, well…God.

•  Paul’s words: “Through perverse court decisions and years of cultural indoctrination, the elitist, secular Left has managed to convince many in our nation that religion must be driven from public view. The justification is always that someone, somewhere, might possibly be offended or feel uncomfortable living in the midst of a largely Christian society, so all must yield to the fragile sensibilities of the few.”

Then it goes on, and we’re paying close attention to this whole ‘secular’ = ‘left’ thing.

•  “….Article:  “It should be noted right at the beginning that Ron Paul consistently decries “secularism” and “secularists,” though he more often uses the label “secular Left.” This, perhaps more than many of his arguments, makes it clear where he stands: squarely and unambiguously against a secular government, secular laws, and a secular America. This helps put him in the same camp as the extremist Christian Right…”

Then it continues to what I think is the key here:
The second thing to note is that there isn’t a single word in the above that’s true. Ron Paul is employing a falsehood which has been very popular with theocrats of the Christian Right who seek to deceive voters about what secularism is and what the separation of church & state is all about. Ron Paul has either been duped by those deceivers, or he knows better yet is actively participating in the deception.”

The article in its entirety:  http://atheism.about.com/b/2007/08/06/authoritarian-or -libertarian-ron-paul-on-churchstate-separation-secularism. htm

So, has HE himself been ‘duped’, or is he in fact actively participating in the deception? Because we know that it IS a deception. We know that secular does NOT equate to ‘atheist’ and that even if it did, it shouldn’t make a damn bit of difference to anybody who chooses to live by ANY faith, or no faith at all, as long as that ‘faith’ is not utilized to determine ANY civil law or policy.
So, are we actually looking at an AUTHORITARIAN, disguising himself as a libertarian, by appealing not only to the theocrats, but to the desperate who believe that he will somehow return some control over their own resources and lives, by the promise of no taxes, and no war? (and a little bit of god thrown in for good measure?)

In his complains of this ‘population control’ he’s actually attempting to ‘protect’ NOT just the “products of conception” such as an embryo or fetus, but EVEN the YET TO BE CONCEIVED! So, what’s up with that? Does he believe that should apply to ALL of the population?

I think it goes beyond a theocratic agenda. Just my take.

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By purplewolf, January 1, 2008 at 3:21 pm Link to this comment

RAE: You said it perfectly.

PatrickHenry: In the 1970’s my local newspaper printed some information most were unaware of and still are today:
America has the most churches per population and the highest crime rates in the world.
There are over 10 million laws written in the this country to enforce the ten commandments.
As this is information almost 40 years old so I am certain there are many more laws that have been added to force people to live by the commandments which they are not even aware of.

On the lighter site of the illogical.I find it odd that people like Huckabee and Paul who want to deny abortion and contraception to control the over population of humans, especially since men do not give birth, feel it is fine to limit, sterilize, euthanize or destroy the lower animals(in their eyes)like cats, dogs, wildlife, etc., as being excessive or too many or enough of that species on the earth, yet never put in place the same restrictions on the overpopulation of humans, who have done more damage to the planet, environment, other living species and each other. Why is it okay for man to go forth and multiply, yet this same man wants to control it or forbids it of lower animals. One would think that their GOD would have at least told them to do it with some common sense and not produce more that you really need. Not just with the money part of it. But then again God was the one who forbid Adam and Eve to eat of the tree of knowledge, so God wants people to be stupid and uneducated and live in total ignorance. WOW! What a control freak. The best way to control people is to teach they to live in fear, be ignorant and uneducated and afraid of suffering eternal damnation for eternity for disobeying GOD.

People should have the right to decide if and when and how many children they want. Religious zealots who thinks that the dictates of an ancient tome written by anonymous men hundreds of years ago should be the total laws of the land and it’s laws or rules forced unto everyone should not even be considered for public office. Their personal distorted views are of no benefit to a healthy lifestyle and by letting them allow their religious dogma to take over, will turn this country into the same type of fanatical religious frenzy we see in some of the Muslim countries and have seen in this country in the past as well. Think Salem, Massassuchets and the Puritans.

Ask yourself: Are we better off learning and educating people for the betterment of all or are we better off living in ignorance, destroying all others who are from other places or don’t think like you do as instructed by thre bible? This should be a no-brainer.

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By niggling_jerk, January 1, 2008 at 3:19 pm Link to this comment
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I wish pumpkin head would have asked why Huck believes blastocysts deserve equality, but not gays. Furthermore, I’d like to know whether or not Huckabee supports aborting gay fetus;)

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By May, January 1, 2008 at 12:29 pm Link to this comment
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My husband and I have been in a committed relationship for 31 years, albeit a civil marriage, not sanctified by a big superbeing in the sky.  So, according to Huck’s confusing (I hope I’m answering these questions to satisfy my evangelist base while not totally scaring away mainstream America) fashion, we’re perfect in that regard.  Herein lies the crux, we aren’t christians.  Where does that put us in the Huckabee moral standing scale?

And his hoohaa about believing in the sactity of life, regardless of background and financial status, how do these people justify what is happening to much of this “life” once it’s gotten past the birth stage?  How can they be so pro-life when it’s a few cells and not give a shit when it’s a question of one of those “lives” getting some much needed health care, or is mired in an abusive relationship, or has profound mental health problems and exists in the streets without food and shelter.  There so all about life until it comes to what to do with the massive amounts of it that are crowding the planet and causing societies decline. 

If Huck is a sinner, why doesn’t he address HIS sins instead of going after the homosexual sinners, why, as a whole, do christians think they need to clean up everyone else’s morals before they deal with their own?

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By VillageElder, January 1, 2008 at 12:16 pm Link to this comment

Huckabee and Paul are part of the swarm attempting to convince the repuglican base that they are the most faithful to stone age myth.  In the belief that fantasy trumps reality they continue to pledge to ignore the science and knowledge we have gained over these tens of thousands of years.  They cite one book which they call holy to prove their fantasies.  A book which is known to be highly edited to concur with the politics of the time.  A book based upon the myths of the Canaanites,  Palestines, and other tribes of Mesopotamia.  A book which many of the people, whom the swarm court, would replace our constitution.  A book that has little archaeological and historical collaboration.

Those who proudly claim the do not believe in evolution are blind to the demonstrable science which supports the theory.  Evolution makes mores sense than “creation science” an oxymoron if there ever was one.  This assumes that a god figure, normally portrayed as Zeus, the father, spoke and the world was created.  The cults surrounding Mesopotamia generally have the same myth which was later borrowed by the Yahweh cult.  Reliance on stone age myths for guidance in the 21st century ignores the changes in knowledge and social mores our species had enculcated.  Myths determining how a person should be treated based on gender, color, race, religion, socio-economic status and so forth have no place in a rational society.  Science is not a matter of faith; it is a matter of fact.

Contraception, abortion, privacy and the freedom of belief and speech must not be sacrificed on a stone age altar of intolerance and ignorance.  Rationality, enlightenment, and science must not be lost to another dark age.

May we all be aberrations.  May we not be cast in a self righteous swamp of hate, misogyny and a feudal politics based on myth.

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By Dale, January 1, 2008 at 11:57 am Link to this comment
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“GOD CREATED MAN AND WOMAN, ADAM & EVE, NOT ADAM & STEVE…”

Your obvious christian hatred aside, if you honestly believe some supernatural thing in the clouds “poofed” humans into existence you are in dire need of an education.

That being said, Huckabee’s hatred and utter ignorance immediately disqualifies him for the highest office. There should be requirements to keep religious pieces of shit out of office and out of everyone else’s lives.

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By Scott, January 1, 2008 at 11:33 am Link to this comment

Aren’t there enough abject examples of evil around right now? You don’t need some confused ancient collection of stories and commandments to convey the simple message summed up in one very humanist credo, treat people like you want to be treated. If you need to feel some personal deeper connection to something mysterious look to the universe and reflect on how everything is made of the same essential thing. Its a real trip.

As for maintaining old ancient beliefs in gods and other supernaturalist notions its just gunk that clogs up people’s heads and interferes with their ability to think straight. That’s why religion has proven so useful to big organizations and its why we see it so often in societies all around the planet throughout history.

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By PatrickHenry, January 1, 2008 at 10:12 am Link to this comment

Belief in God has nothing to do with organized religion and most times I think organized religion has nothing to do with a belief in God, at least by their actions.

The one thing the bible gives us that I do agree with other than an abject history lesson on how evil men and women can be to each other, is the morality taught by most of the ten commandments, which is noticeably lacking in the media, schools and society today as a whole.

I like many of the posters here at Truthdig have my own tenets I believe in as does Ron Paul, his message of local control is a far cry from Huckabee who would engage his beliefs at a federal level, by commitee, agency and enforcement.

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By robert m puglia, January 1, 2008 at 10:06 am Link to this comment

huckabee is subtle as a brick wall. he is a whinging, angry, casuistry-drunk yokel. his political acumen is impressive to the extent one can be impressed by it. his message is as subliminal as the glowing cross floating in the miasma of oily, gasseous discharge spewing from his gaping maw. his buffoonery wouldn’t be funny without the damage done.

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By cyrena, January 1, 2008 at 7:59 am Link to this comment

Ah gee. I wish Timmy had asked him about contraception, since they were on the subject anyway. Huckie’s cohort in theocratic political structure, (that would be Ron Paul) is EQUALLY against contraception, for the same reasons that he is against abortion. Ron Paul claims religious ‘faith’, in conjunction with his comparing of these things (abortion and contraception) to ‘population control’ which he says he is against, and so that is in part, why he is opposed to abortion and contraception of any sort.

Now this would lead us to believe that Ron Paul (and presumably Huckabee as well) must consider the 10,000 plus annual still births across the nation as just the way it should be. God decided that as well. I’m wondering if that also applies to those disastrous infant mortality rates that plague many 3rd world countries, NOT TO MENTION many demographic areas right here at home. (so much for the lost 12 year old in NC, and the dozens of newborns in Alabama, that never make it beyond a week or two). I guess they aren’t quite so ‘equal’ after all.

That said, I really DO wish Timmy had asked him about the contraception issue, just to see how he might bullshit around that as well.

And yes Rae, I TOO am glad that you are an aberration. I don’t really wanna praise GOD for it, but I’m still grateful.

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By Conservative Yankee, January 1, 2008 at 6:36 am Link to this comment
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Fattdaddy

The use of caps on the net is akin to screaming at folks.  This is pretty much what preachers and charlatans do when attempting to push their product to the fore.

As to your statement “WE HAVE TO DRAW A MORAL LINE SOMEWHERE”

What makes you think every man and women on this thread has not done that?  My “moral line” happens to be; “What a man or woman do in their own house, is their business.” 

You feel homosexuality is “disgusting” I feel that sticking a nose in to the business of others is disgusting. We obviously disagree, but where I grew up, the ability to disagree in a friendly manner was called “freedom”.

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By weather, January 1, 2008 at 4:48 am Link to this comment
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Speaking of phony people, places and things to ignore and delete:Huffington Post

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By odlid, January 1, 2008 at 12:14 am Link to this comment
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“Lie not with dog or pig or another man. Spirit yourself not, into horse-barn under moonglow of Texas or Arkansas night, corn-husker’s lotion secreted under coat, doing the Devil’s deed…”

Pray at all hours of the day to be healed of your diversion and, yea, join with our sister in God, Outraged, to raise money for the Ron Paul campaign.

 

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By Outraged, December 31, 2007 at 10:29 pm Link to this comment

Here we go.  Another baseless argument of the bible as “THE DOCTRINE OF AMERICA”.  Sorry Huckabee, that’s just your “feeling”. (whatever that’s worth)  Did anyone notice the familiar “we know” and “of course this is right” baseless arguments?  HUCKABEE, first one who HAVE to qualify the bible as THE legitimate word of God and THEN qualify that as the OFFICIAL American “doctrine”.  Neither of which exist.

RE: fattdaddy
I am curious as to HOW you have validated the bible as “THE WORD OF GOD”.....  In other words, what steps have you taken to investigate these historical works and their many interpretations?

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By md, December 31, 2007 at 9:49 pm Link to this comment

Someone please explain to me how people can honestly believe any of this?

It is beyond me. I can see how ignorant this man is. I wish I could understand how other people fail to grasp it.

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By Blackspeare, December 31, 2007 at 8:23 pm Link to this comment

“Live and Let Live” does not imply lawlessness——and its poor policy to legislate civil morality.  However, I see you have a religious bent to your arguments and I will not make argument to legend.

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By Blackspeare, December 31, 2007 at 8:14 pm Link to this comment

Now what do you really think!!!

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By RAE, December 31, 2007 at 8:04 pm Link to this comment

If being a homosexual, or frankly, being ANYTHING BUT A HUCKABEE makes me an “aberration,” then I’m all for it.

I can’t think of belonging to a more arrogant, ignorant, nauseating cesspool of mediocrity than to be associated with this puke of a human being. Elect this obnoxious creep, America, and you’ll be putting pedal-to-the-metal to your “Decline and Fall.”

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By reason, December 31, 2007 at 7:34 pm Link to this comment

Rudi Gulliani can be pretty scarey in his ability to manipulate any situation to his benefit but Mike Huckabee has shown Rudi to be a rooky in his ability to slander and accuse while grandstanding as being above such petty persuits.

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By robert m puglia, December 31, 2007 at 5:49 pm Link to this comment

we might all be created equal but not in our tendencies to equivocate;
“We may have certain tendencies, but [we choose] how we behave and how we carry out our behavior,” Huckabee said of his unctuous transparency, or as he put it his “aberrant, unnatural and sinful lifestyle.”
“when a Christian speaks of sin, a Christian says all of us are sinners,” he asserted ever more confusedly. descending then into the speaking-in-toungues the blather was perforce unintelligible;
“the perfection of God is seen in a marriage in which one man, one woman live together as a couple committed to each other as life partners.” and, if he had been permitted to continue in his rapturous trance, the killing negroes, homos and foreigners.
it is important to know one’s limits and i know his.

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By fattdaddy, December 31, 2007 at 5:10 pm Link to this comment

Blackspeare;

“LIVE AND LET LIVE”, IS PARTLY WHY AMERICA IS FULL OF PERVERSION, FAGGOTS, MURDERING OF UNBORN CHILDREN, PORNOGRAPHY(OF LITTLE CHILDREN), SOCIALISM, ILLEGAL ALIENS, JUST TO NAME A FEW…

HUCKABEE IS WISHY WASHY, NOT TO MENTION AN IDOIT…GOD CREATED MAN AND WOMAN, ADAM & EVE, NOT ADAM & STEVE, SO HOW CAN HE SAY THAT HE DOESN’T KNOW WHETHER WE ARE BORN QUEER OR NOT…TO SAY THAT WE ARE BORN QUEER WOULD MAKE GOD A LIAR…

SIN IS SIN, NO MATTER THE SIN…WE WERE BORN INTO SIN, HOWEVER, WE DO NOT HAVE TO CONTINUE A SINFUL LIFESTYLE..ARE WE PERFECT? “NO”..WE HAVE TO DRAW A MORAL LINE SOMEWHERE…

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By weather, December 31, 2007 at 3:51 pm Link to this comment
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Ignore the white noise, cancel out the words and we’re left w/the same tune we’ve all heard before.

Change the channel completely and take action on the local level and start w/your own consummer revolt. You have no idea how much that scares corporations. Nothing will get their attention faster then not seeing your money. - and since Congress reports to corporations and ignores us, we can vote w/the most powerful thing they do understand and its right in our wallet.

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By Blackspeare, December 31, 2007 at 3:45 pm Link to this comment

That’s where Huckabee stands, to the right of God, with his tailored-made religious prejudices.  We can only hope he is just pandering to the fundamentalists and doesn’t really believe half of what he says, but if he does, then he’s a nut case!

There’s an old saying that rings true when it comes to homosexual social issues——“Live and Let Live.”  Some people, who are fortunately in the minority at present, can’t accept that premise.

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