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Posted on Dec 17, 2007
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Video blogger and Dennis Kucinich fan Davis Fleetwood hits the streets of Des Moines to find out why the peace candidate was excluded from the final Democratic debate before the Iowa caucus.

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By Frank Cajon, December 22, 2007 at 7:39 pm Link to this comment

To begin with, I pretty much agree point by point with Ernest on his grim prognosis for the next year or so; Bush/Cheney Reich thirsts for a war with Iran so bad that they are capable of anything. I take heat on here for not buying the unproveable 9/11 schemes, but Bush is so paranoid and Cheney so unscrupulous that they may pull a Nixon/Cambodia on us. And, I think there is a very real chance that the 2008 election may be ‘postponed’.
This piece shows us that the Republicrats, who don’t want to leave anything to chance, aren’t going to screw around and give us voters an anti-war candidate in their primaries, or their convention. The smoke has cleared from the back rooms and the disaster that has emerged is Billary Clinton-who is as bad as any candidate on either side with the exception of Duncan Hunter. Kucinich, the only candidate from either major party I would vote for if there is an election, is going to be sabotaged by his own party, ala another anti-war, grass-roots guy I supported and worked for ages ago named Gene McCarthy. The Republicrats are good at betrayal, and lousy candidates; they will end up giving this one away to the Jesus Freak zealots and stupid, lazy actor who are going to emerge from the Rudy the Zipper’s crash to grab the GOP slot and take the whole thing, AGAIN, because the Jackasses couldn’t or wouldn’t listen to the people and ran another unelectable corporate-puppet stiff, the only difference being an X chromosome.

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By jbart, December 22, 2007 at 10:06 am Link to this comment
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#121449 by cyrena on 12/20 at 3:14 am
#121511 by Ernest Canning on 12/20 at 8:48 am

Cyrena, you’re absolutely “right on” (as usual) and I need to ask…What’s the weather like in Glasgow? It seems like someone out there is getting a crush on you. 
Damn, I was hoping to be first suitor! Oh, well, that’s how my life has been going anyway. sigh.

Ernest, you have it right on when you state that these guys can do “anything” they want to due to the bullshit “war on terror”. A veritable blank check.  And how they accomplished getting this blank check is also very clear.  They “pulled off” the atrocity known as “9/11”, killed many Americans in doing so, and people are still dying from its aftermath.  There is no fate that I can imagine that would be appropriate for all those involved.  My mind doesn’t go beyond unbearably painful death, which would not suffice. Maybe, as I’ve posted in the past, their entire bloodlines?  That may prevent reoccurences, at least potentially. 

Both you guys…Keep up the blogging, because reading about other people’s opinions (like yours)seems to be my only way of “keeping on, keeping on” without becoming incapable of dealing with life’s “day to day” challenges.

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By 911truthdotorg, December 21, 2007 at 4:59 pm Link to this comment

Let’s hope for a Christmas miracle!

Turning online popularity into real world votes: how Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich can win.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_daniel_n_071221_turning_online_popul.htm

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By cann4ing, December 20, 2007 at 9:48 am Link to this comment

To Cyrena & Paul McCabe:  I think both of you underestimate the extent of Cheney’s ruthlessness.  While Paul is correct in noting that the NIE debunked a major element of the regime’s anti-Iranian propaganda, I think both of you would do well to review the 12/19/07 Truthdig Interview, Scott Ritter on War with Iran.

Cyrena, while your comments on whether the regime would have to go to Congress to obtain approval squares with traditional interpretations of the U.S. Constitution, it does not reflect an understanding of the concepts of a “Unitary Executive” and “The New Paradigm” advanced in particular by the VP’s Chief of Staff, David Addington within the “war on terror” frame.

In Geo. Orwell’s “1984” the English language was reconstructed into Newspeak “not only to provide a medium of expression for the world-view and mental habits of [the Party], but to make other modes of thought impossible.”  Despite the fact that, with the exception of civil and revolutionary wars, the concept of “war” is limited to conflicts amongst nation-states, a nation whose psyche was badly damaged with each televised replay of the collapse of the twin towers proved incapable of questioning either the initial assertion that 9/11 was an act of “war” or that the waging of a perpetual “war on terror” did not provide so much as a logical response to an especially heinous crime, but merely a crime nonetheless.  Yet the distinction was not lost on the author of “Unitary Executive” theory at his confirmation hearings when he balked at a question as to whether 9/11 was a crime or an act of war, stating, “In the law all these phrases can have particular meaning.”

The administration’s core position is that the Congressional authorization to use force against al-Qaeda in the wake of 9/11 established a never-ending “global war on terror.”  Since the “war on terror” has already been authorized, there is no need for the President to return for further authorization should he desire to invade Iraq, Iran, Syria or any other country.  Once the nation is “at war,” it’s up to the Commander-in-Chief to decide where the battles are to be fought.

The concept is extended beyond with whom we fight.  The New Paradigm advances the notion that since the Commander-in-Chief is charged with carrying out the war, he and he alone is entitled to decide what tactics to apply.  If the president wants torture, extraordinary rendition, or warrantless NSA eavesdropping on the American people, he gets it.

You need to understand.  From day one we have dealt with “revolutionaries” in the sense described by Henry Kissinger in his doctoral thesis—that is individuals who are bent on overthrowing the established order even after ascending to power because they do not accept the legitimacy of our constitutional democracy.  And yes, if they think they can get away with it, they will invade Iran, declare martial law and seize absolute, unending power.  We underestimate them at our peril.

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By cyrena, December 20, 2007 at 4:18 am Link to this comment

#121051 by BruSays

•  Cyrena: Sorry - I was just trying a little sarcasm there about the debates. The media have hosted debates featuring both parties, albeit with distressingly irrelevant subjects being discussed.

No need for apologies BruSays,
I understand the sarcasm, and thoroughly appreciate your disgust. It’s probably why I’ve avoided the televised debates – (with the one exception). Anything they have to say is already in the print media. So, if I turn on the TV, it’s to watch something that isn’t SUPPOSED to be ‘real’, and even THAT is more real than what these clowns have to offer.

And, you’re right about the rest as well. Excellent post. American’s are dumbed-down, and stuck in the “ME” Era, and it breaks my heart. Before long, ALL of them will be the proverbial Scarlett O’Hara’s, with Tara crumbling in the background, while Oprah bleeps through with the occasional ad for her special hand lotion. I can’t even say I’ll feel sorry for them, though I might get my humanity back by tomorrow.

Then again, maybe not. I’m so pissed off I can’t really see my way to more than cussing them all out.

Especially the ones that keep sending me these stupid PRAYERS via email.

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By cyrena, December 20, 2007 at 4:14 am Link to this comment

#121112 by Paul McCabe

HI Paul,

I know you and Ernest have been having this conversation, and that your questions are directed to him. And, I’m sure he’ll answer at some point. But, I had to just sort of jump in here on your questions, because I’d posted the answer to this very thing, a day or two ago. I just can’t find it at the moment, so I’ll sort of paraphrase:

•  I’m curious about your comments though, Ernest. Does your present administration have that much power? Forgive my naivety, but wouldn’t the president have to go to the senate to seek support for another conflict..

In reality, he SHOULD go to the entire Congress. That’s the way it works. Except, nothing like the ‘law’ or the Constitution here, or the International Laws, or really anything else, (INCLUDING our Congress) have stopped him from violating ALL of that.

In fact, the House Speaker, (Pelosi) recently said that he would need a Congressional authorization to attack Iran, but in reality, she doesn’t have a clue. (too much botox)

•  if your present administration decides to attack Iran, who’s going to fight? Your government can’t bomb Iran, not without consultation with the other members of the United Nations and NATO, and they won’t support it

Here again, that never stopped him. The UN didn’t support the action against Iraq, but he did it anyway, (without a UN resolution) and fooled the Congress into going along with it, by cobbling together two old resolutions from the 1st Gulf War. Canada is now threatening to pull their NATO troops out of Afghanistan, and as you know, the Brits have left Iraq. Doesn’t matter to him. (actually Cheney)

As for who would fight it? They aren’t planning for ‘boots on the ground’, since you’re perfectly right about how overextended our military already is. Nope, they just wanna blast Iran to smithereens because it’s been part of their plan for at least 10 years, just as Iraq was. If they need boots on the ground at some point, they have their private mercenary armies. (Blackwater, etc)


•  Your government tied in 9/11 with Iraq(and got away with it)...could the American people be fooled twice?

Yes. The American people have proven that they can be fooled time and time again. Also, the initial authorization that approved action against Iraq, included provisions for ANY of the ‘alleged’ perpetrators of 9/11, or any other ‘terrorists’ attempting to do harm to us, in the ME or elsewhere. The Congress has recently approved a bill designating Iran’s Revolutionary Guard as a ‘terrorist group’, and the admin has been whining that Iran is ‘meddling’ in Iraq, (like they haven’t been neighbors for 1000 years) and so those things alone are enough for Dick Bush to attack without returning to Congress for authority.

•  My point is, could your president, order a strike or an invasion…anytime soon, and in the process ignore the other departments of government, and it’s allies around the world?

Like I said, they’ve done it before. Cheney et all is no doubt pissed about the fact that the NIE was published, but it still wouldn’t stop him.

What can I say? We have psychopaths in charge of this admin, and obviously nobody has the guts or the wherewithal to tell them NO!! They haven’t impeached, and they just approved $70billion more for war. We don’t have that either.

Can I come to live with you in Glasgow?

Oh, here’s an article from last year, but it may help illuminate some of the reasons why they WOULD attack.

Attack Iran? Yes He Would. Paul Krugman

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0410-26.htm

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By antispin, December 19, 2007 at 6:15 pm Link to this comment

Condolences to the Kucinich family on the death of the younger brother, Perry. 
I haven’t read it yet, but I just ordered DK’s book about growing up in Cleveland.
http://www.amazon.com/Courage-Survive-Dennis-Kucinich/dp/1597775681/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1198112713&sr=1-1

Burn On

There’s a red moon rising
On the cuyahoga river
Rolling into cleveland to the lake

There’s an oil barge winding
Down the cuyahoga river
Rolling into cleveland to the lake

Cleveland, city of light, city of magic
Cleveland, city of light, you’re calling me
Cleveland, even now I can remember
’cause the cuyahoga river
Goes smokin’ through my dreams

Burn on, big river, burn on
Burn on, big river, burn on
Now the lord can make you tumble
And the lord can make you turn
And the lord can make you overflow
But the lord can’t make you burn

Burn on, big river, burn on
Burn on, big river, burn on
  Burn On

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By James Thomas, December 19, 2007 at 2:55 pm Link to this comment
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There is still time for Kucinich to win the Presidency. I hope he hangs in there till all the laundry is cleaned. Maybe, another candidate will wake up, and vouch for Dennis’ vision. The wicked ones in Iowa who jury-rig debates and elections should be subpoenaed before a court of law. Either way, Kucinich’s voice needs to be heard!

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By Margaret Currey, December 19, 2007 at 11:43 am Link to this comment
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In the presidential run for a third party Nadar was kept out of attending a forum even though he had a ticket he was told he would be placed under arrest and Nadar said that what they were doing to him was illegal.

Shades of the last election and to think Nadar was considered a spoiler by the Democrats when in fact the reason for the loss was election fraud, there was strong arm twisting by the ellection people, in the cities people waited for hours to vote, in the suburbs voting was done in half an hour. 

The election this time will be just as confusing because there is no uniform voting system and until it is done more and more people will be discouraghed from voting.

Our country has been hijacked and we have only ourselves to blame.

I would love to see a third party since the two party system only plays to the highest bidder.

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By Bert, December 19, 2007 at 2:03 am Link to this comment
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It’s simple, Dennis, like Ron Paul, is a reformer,
and the ol’ boys aren’t havin’ it. It kind of all
depends on how loud Vox Populi is, and what it is
that they’re voxing ABOUT come election time.
I think people have played fast and loose with the
old ‘goddamn piece of paper’ long enough, how about
Kucinich/Paul for a New Broom coalition? Someone’s
gotta take issue with the grand larceny, may as well
be 2 guys that’ve read the Constitution start to
finish and are smart enough to understand what it
says, and haven’t sold out(that we know of, yet)
to a deep-pockets special interest.

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By 911truthdotorg, December 18, 2007 at 7:06 pm Link to this comment

Ga -

Did I say I thought they’d win? No.

All I said was the “leaders” are afraid of their message. The Truth.

And speaking of the truth, 9/11 WAS an inside job.

If you believe the official fairy tale, you are an absolute, blind imbecile!

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By Paul McCabe, December 18, 2007 at 6:57 pm Link to this comment
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Hi Ernest(and Brusays).Ernest, I don’t share your anxiety about a conflict with Iran. In the past fortnight your own CIA has stated that Iran postponed it’s nuclear weapons ambitions a while ago. When it became public your President looked somewhat uncomfortable at a press conference on the lawn, still trying to play that ‘axis of evil’ song.(Is it just me, or does some world leaders, and I’m talking Bush AND Amidinajahd(I know I’ve spelt his name wrong!) when in front of t.v. cameras, look like gang leaders throwing up gangs signs?!)  I’m curious about your comments though, Ernest. Does your present administration have that much power? Forgive my naivety, but wouldn’t the president have to go to the senate to seek support for another conflict? American troops are already stretched in Iraq. The British are starting to pull out. I don’t know about the other allies, but I have to ask, if your present administration decides to attack Iran, who’s going to fight? Your government can’t bomb Iran,  not without consultation with the other members of the United Nations and NATO, and they won’t support it, even if there was a terrorist attack on mainland America, because Europe knows that the bombings in London, Madrid, Bali and my own town of Glasgow(although fortunately, only one of the assailants died), where perpetrated by small groups of individuals. Your government tied in 9/11 with Iraq(and got away with it)...could the American people be fooled twice? Yes, we all know that insurgents in Iraq are funded by elements in Iran (But that’s a tribal thing as you know), and both OUR governments have supported ‘BASTARDS’, in they’re time. My point is, could your president, order a strike or an invasion…anytime soon, and in the process ignore the other departments of government, and it’s allies around the world?

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By cann4ing, December 18, 2007 at 4:52 pm Link to this comment

Paul, I hope you are right about his time being up.  The fact is that the regime is still hell-bent on war with Iran, which will likely produce a tremendous blow back.  There are executive orders in place that would permit the incumbent religious freak to declare a national emergency in the event of a new terrorist incident on U.S. soil, and this could lead to martial law, a shutting down of Congress, suspension of the constitution and an indefinite postponement of the Nov. 2008 election.

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By antispin, December 18, 2007 at 4:13 pm Link to this comment

So let’s see: the buck stops…in New Hampshire?  In i.o.w.a. they only have idiots out walking around…and nobody’s to blame because they’re all…idiots!

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By Paul McCabe, December 18, 2007 at 2:11 pm Link to this comment
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Good point Ernest, but his time is almost up. What I find fascinating is the fact that politicians in your country still feel the need, or rather, it seems necessary for them to play the faith card (granted some play it more strongly than others), in order to get elected. In Britain, politicians if pressed, will and can claim affiliation to a religion, faith or particular cultural background. With some their affiliation will be obvious (if they are from a Muslim or Sikh background for example). Many may get some support from those of the same background but any politician trying to use the media to score points with the ‘I’m religious, I’m moral, you can trust me’, campaign are instantly shot down, or at the very least, dismissed and made fun of. A quick look at British history will show you why a ‘religion and politics’ mix is a no-no over here!(The churches don’t nearly have as much influence on policies as they once did, mostly because people eventually woke up to what was institutional bigotry…especially against homosexuals). As for Mr. Huckabee, yes I agree, he is out of his depth, especially in foreign affairs…what worries me is I remember reading, watching and hearing the very same opinions about a certain George W. Bush!

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By BruSays, December 18, 2007 at 1:33 pm Link to this comment

#120936 by cyrena on 12/18 at 2:47 am

Cyrena: Sorry - I was just trying a little sarcasm there about the debates. The media have hosted debates featuring both parties, albeit with distressingly irrelevant subjects being discussed.

#120992 by Paul Mccabe on 12/18 at 9:07 am

Paul, Well said. That Huckabee even became a state governor is beyond my understanding.

Regarding the other candidates, here’s the catch as I see it: As a group, Americans are fools. We’re largely ignorant of the real issues and are looking to the media to entertain us, rather than inform us. Witness the emphasis on fluff issues such as haircuts, gays in the military, family values, immigration - rather than the real but far less glamourous issues such as this pathetic occupation of Iraq, lack of a national health care program, record debt, etc.

So, as long as we remain ignorant we remain putty in the hands of those candidates who KNOW this, who know which emotional buttons to push, who recognize which side to swing to on the fluff issues, and who understand how to keep the message simple and mindless.

The Reagan Republicans learned this lesson first and have therefore refined their putty-working skills. Hillary and Obama, and maybe Edwards, are fast catching up, however.

Kucinich (the only candidate to whom I’ve contributed) isn’t playing the putty game; he chooses to speak to our brains rather than play with our emotions. Sadly, I think it’s too late for most Americans; we’re no longer processing that message.

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By cann4ing, December 18, 2007 at 12:56 pm Link to this comment

Paul McCabe:  Huckabee is no more scary than the present occupant of the White House who claims to have conversations with his imaginary pal, Jesus.  Kind of scary that someone that delusional actually has his finger on the nuclear trigger and is capable of wiping out all life on the planet.

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By Paul Mccabe, December 18, 2007 at 10:07 am Link to this comment
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My dear American friends, as someone living in Glasgow, Scotland, my opinion of American politics may not interest you, but I take great interest in your politics. I have watched several of the debates involving both parties. Forgive me, but to have supposed ‘adults’(Huckabee), running for the most powerful seat in the western world, who claims NOT to believe in evolution, and states that Jesus is his running mate, is both hilarious and a little worrying!(Religion and politics…bad mix) Hilary is clearly in the pocket of big business. Barack is trying to play the same game as Hilary. The only decent candidate, decent because he’s clearly not for sale to the corporations, and decent because he’s the candidate with the most humanitarian policies, is Dennis Kucinich…and he is being totally side-lined by both the Democrats and the media. Why? Have you learned nothing from the last eight years? The macho bulls*** from your republican government has put you in a hole, don’t you need a break? Get behind Dennis, even if it’s to send a message to the other runners that you as a people like what he’s saying. You’ve had a kid-on cowboy for two terms…how about getting a THINKER in there for a while! Go luck to you.

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By McAmerica, December 18, 2007 at 8:52 am Link to this comment
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This is simply a manifestation of how the American mainstream (whose width can be measured by looking at the order of Rep - Dem Presidential candidates with Hillary and Romney in the middle, Huckabee to the right of Romney and Obama to the left of Hillary and so on…) is being forcibly molded by the un/conscious corporate information dissemination revenue machine.

Effectively, what we have is a McAmerica. However, those within the metaphorical golden arches are not aware of this, and further unwise to the fact that there are many outside who do know, and have been attempting to tell them…“Hey you, do you realize that you are living in a starbucks like reality? something that appears to be the real thing but is actually a simulation of something original”. It seems RP, DK, RN, represent those outside the arches, they represent the authentic American voice. The rest of the candidates are essentially barristas and managers whose frame of reality is created by their corporate overlords. Its sad really, but for people like myself, its quite fun.

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By cyrena, December 18, 2007 at 3:47 am Link to this comment

#120838 by BruSays on 12/17 at 4:22 pm
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Yep…that crazy Liberal Media is at it again. Next thing you know they’ll be airing Republican Debates.

=================================

Is it that the media hasn’t aired any repug debates, or have the repugs not had any? I’m honestly not sure. I never watch the MSM.

But, the repugs get enough notice on this site. So, maybe you can help me out with when they may have a debate that nobody went to.

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By Ga, December 17, 2007 at 9:32 pm Link to this comment

#120879 by 911truthdotorg

The so-called “top-tier” Dems are as scared of Dennis Kucinich as the Repubs are scared of Ron Paul.

They all know that these two candidates are the only ones who are saying what this country craves - the truth.

Ha! Ha ha! Ha ha ha!

Those two candidates have about as much of a chance as Nader did in 2000.

Most everyone craves the truth—but this is a country that does not even expect the truth from it politicians.

Part of the problem is that too many people too easily believe in fantasy rather than the truth! Just look at people who believe 9/11 was an inside job!

(The Bush administration is more likely to have suspected 9/11 and did nothing to prevent it is much more plausible than that they orchestrated the entire thing.)

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By 911truthdotorg, December 17, 2007 at 8:33 pm Link to this comment

The so-called “top-tier” Dems are as scared of Dennis Kucinich as the Repubs are scared of Ron Paul.

They all know that these two candidates are the only ones who are saying what this country craves - the truth.

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By cann4ing, December 17, 2007 at 8:05 pm Link to this comment

Dennis Kucinich is the only candidate who truly speaks for the middle class aspirations of the vast majority of Americans—the working class.  Since the corporate media and the corporate global project are one and the same, their tactic throughout the media is to marginalize his candidacy precisely because if substance rather than image were covered it would lead to the type of meaningful change, which change would be adverse to the corporate bottom line.

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By BruSays, December 17, 2007 at 5:22 pm Link to this comment

Yep…that crazy Liberal Media is at it again. Next thing you know they’ll be airing Republican Debates.

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By ProTester, December 17, 2007 at 3:12 pm Link to this comment
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That’s the liberal media for ya.

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