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Kucinich:  We’re Losing Our Democracy

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This week, Rep. Dennis Kucinich drummed up support within the House to introduce articles of impeachment against Vice President Dick Cheney.  Here, he discusses his motivations on Amy Goodman’s “Democracy Now!” TV/radio show.

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By Douglas Chalmers, November 12, 2007 at 11:16 am Link to this comment

#113105 by Ernest Canning on 11/12 at 9:35 am: “...What Chalmers suggests in the face of a potential putch is nothing less than appeasement of the fascists in the White House. ...”

Poor Ernest Canning, he can no longer get his willy up….....

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By cann4ing, November 12, 2007 at 10:35 am Link to this comment

Yes ITW and Doug Chalmers, executive orders now in place would permit the president to declare a national emergency in the event of a new terrorist incident on U.S. soil underscore the very peril to the survival of our constitutional democracy, which is precisely why Mr. Kucinich warned us that our democracy is in jeopardy.

I agree the Bush/Cheney fascists would look to the blow back from a war with Iran as an excuse for pulling a Musharraf.  What I disagree with is the strategy for preventing such a putch.

In the past Mr. Chalmers has openly declared his support for Hillary Clinton.  While he has not stated it openly, ITW, who appears to have brought to this site his crystal ball, declaring that Kucinich “will lose,” also appears to support Clinton.

Mrs. Clinton, when she appeared before AIPAC, declared that “no options were off the table” with respect to Iran—a statement which approaches the threats made by Mr. Cheney—Cheney statements that were expressly cited by Mr. Kucinich as grounds for article III of the impeachment resolution.  She has made it clear that if she is elected, we will still have combat forces in Iraq in 2013.  Neither of these positions squares with the hopes, desires and interests of the vast majority of Americans, let alone the 70% of Democrats who support impeachment.

What Chalmers suggests in the face of a potential putch is nothing less than appeasement of the fascists in the White House.  If we just play along, surrendering bits and pieces of our Constitution here and there, giving what they want, if we simply bide our time waiting for the next election, we will see them quietly leave office, handing over the reigns of power to President Hillary Clinton; a peaceful transition—or so Mr. Chalmers would have us believe.

Mr. Chalmers makes the same mistake that was made time and again by the Weimar Republic’s Social Democrats in the early 1930s.  He fails to realize, as Paul Krugman realized, that the hard-right movement which seized control of the White House through massive electoral fraud and a judicial coup is a “revolutionary movement” which intends to “smash the existing framework” (our Constitutional democracy and its rule of law).  Chalmers and ITW are what Kissinger described as defenders of the status quo.  They act as if Bush/Cheney are simply “motivated by specific grievances to be assuaged by limited concessions….But it is the essence of a revolutionary power that it possesses the courage of its convictions, that it is willing, indeed eager, to push its principles to their ultimate conclusion.”

Rather than drive the White House fascists to carry out that which has always been their goal—unchecked, limitless power that continues in perpetuity—impeachment provides the one weapon still left in our constitutional arsenal capable of halting America’s slide into fascism.  Rather than a recipe for a continuation of the piece-by-piece surrender, Chalmers’s warnings about a potential putch only serve to underscore both the gravity and immediacy of the danger. 

Immediate utilization of the very tool our Founding Fathers inserted in our constitution as the ultimate check against executive lawlessness via televised impeachment hearings in the House will, at the very least, place Cheney in a “Wag the Dog” scenario, thereby weakening his ability to carry out his plans to bomb Iran.  And make no mistake, as the Rumsfeld “snowflake” memos reveal, those plans have been in place for a very long time.

The fascists in the White House cannot be appeased.  The only means for democracy to defend itself is through full application of the rule of law in the face of the fascist onslaught.  It is the clarity of Mr. Kucinich in his understanding of these dynamics that make him not only the intellectual superior to the “do-nothings” in the so-called Democratic “leadership” but the logical choice for leading America back from the brink of catastrophe.

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By PatrickHenry, November 12, 2007 at 8:49 am Link to this comment

I support Kucinich on about every issue except gun control. I support Ron Paul on most issues, however I was grieved to hear he did not support Impeachment, I have since E-mailed his campaign telling him such.

I believe the congress is smelling the blood in the water and most do not want to face their constituants and tell them they did nothing to change the political landscape.  This political posturing by most of them is in response to the mass petition drives by rank and file Americans to bring to a close this embarassing and most unfortunate chapter of American history.

As a constituant in Maryland’s 5th district I’ve informed Steny Hoyer by way of E-mail of my friends, employees and my own intention of voting him out of office this next election cycle.  I still worry about the electronic voting machines.

Aside from serious campaign finance reform needed in this country, we need to bust up the 6 media conglomerates into 1000’s of smaller independent ones to ensure truly free press coverage of this and other important issues.

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By Alan MacDonald, November 12, 2007 at 7:26 am Link to this comment
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Yes, 911truthdotorg, Kucinich is “awesome” as you say specifically because he is sharing with the American people a profound truth that other candidates, and the two ‘Vichy’ parties do not even whisper.

The hard truth that Kucinich is acknowledging that others will not in this so-called presidentail election is the following:

“As American people, we will very soon and very surprisingly be faced with recognizing and confronting the fact that we no longer live in either a supposedly ‘exceptional’ country, or even a normal country. We will be faced with the reality that we live in a virtual “Vichy America” which has been fully taken over by a guileful and disguised global Empire——just as France in WWII had been taken over by the Nazi Empire which installed the faux government referred to as Vichy France.”

And that because of this unspoken truth, which only Kucinich dares to suggest, “The very most important question that the American people should be asking any candidate for president in ‘08 is not, “Where do you stand on the war?”, but, “Where do you stand on the EMPIRE that has taken over our country—- an Empire of which the combination of war in Iraq, the violation of the Constitution, and the destruction of our human economy are only the biggest and most visible crimes—- so far.”

If you listen carefully to Kucinich in this video he says, “we can recover our democracy”——whereas no other candidates even acknowledge that it has already been stolen by Empire.

Yes, Kucinich’s truthfulness about our sorry state of lost democracy and freedom, and his committment to “recover” thes is awesome.

Whereas, all other candidates listen to and parrot Bush’s Orwellian double-speak happy=talk of ‘freedom agendas’, ‘democracy promotions’ and ‘freedom celebrations’—- which are every bit as insane as believing the Orwellian lies of ‘war is peace’, and ‘hate is love’.

Yes, this awesomeness of TRUTH is why Kucinich, once crucified by the Democratic ‘Vichy’ party, must run in a real third-party (of the people) and help overthrow this corporatist Empire behind the entire ‘Vichy American’ Three Card Monte of the two phony parties and the equally phony press.

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By Douglas Chalmers, November 12, 2007 at 5:15 am Link to this comment

#113041 by Inherit The Wind on 11/12 at 4:00 am: “...It’s been clear that Cheney is pushing for an attack on Iran and Rice has been pushing for a “diplomatic solution” (without negotiating—how does THAT work?) and that will be the “incident” to start WWIII—and declare martial law….”

Yes, ITW, its most probably no longer necessary to have an “incident” on US soil. Attacking Iran (a typical ‘oxymoron’!) would be sufficient based upon what would happen next (they would fight back!!!) and the fact that the value of the $US would plummet as well as the price of oil double or triple what it is today (around $100 per barrel, current $US value).

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By Inherit The Wind, November 12, 2007 at 5:00 am Link to this comment

Douglas Chalmers on 11/12 at 1:48 am
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The trouble with the impeachment proceedings is that they will now push Bush’s Neocon plans into creating “an incident of national significance” so that he can use the military and declare a state of emergency - like Pakistan’s Musharraf!.

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That is the nightmare, isn’t it?  But I’m more pessimistic than you are—I don’t think Bush will wait for impeachment proceedings.  It’s been clear that Cheney is pushing for an attack on Iran and Rice has been pushing for a “diplomatic solution” (without negotiating—how does THAT work?) and that will be the “incident” to start WWIII—and declare martial law.

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By Douglas Chalmers, November 12, 2007 at 4:16 am Link to this comment

#113037 by cyrena on 11/12 at 3:01 am: “We need to impeach these SOB’s, and the sooner the better. Somebody can always point out the ‘trouble’ with impeachment or anything else. That’s what’s taken so long already….”

Yes, that is what he did point out too in one of those clips, cyrena. Waiting for the election is too long to leave things. I’ve been saying that as well recently. I’ve had a feeling…....

I can’t see why both Cheney AND Bush can’t be impeached together. But that is a burden to whoever has to run the proceedings, I know. I would still have preferred Bush but getting rid of Cheney before Bush departs is worth the effort…...

Maybe Bush can be had on criminal charges after he leaves office - like Musharraf and some others around the planet??? I wasn’t saying that impeachment should wait, though, even if ther are going to be “troubles” (as in the Northern Irish “the troubles”), cyrena.

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By cyrena, November 12, 2007 at 4:01 am Link to this comment

#113032 by Douglas Chalmers

•  The trouble with the impeachment proceedings is that they will now push Bush’s Neocon plans into creating “an incident of national significance” so that he can use the military and declare a state of emergency - like Pakistan’s Musharraf!.

Maybe so Douglas. Maybe so. Or, at least they could try.  Doesn’t matter though, since the Neo-Thugs could use anything to create that. We need to impeach these SOB’s, and the sooner the better. Somebody can always point out the ‘trouble’ with impeachment or anything else. That’s what’s taken so long already. The average citizen didn’t want to consider impeachment before now, because they knew we’d just get chainey the chainsaw dude, who is the chief culprit anyway So, we get rid of him first.

We can’t use their threats to avoid doing anything about them. They’ve already created the same, by way of 9/11. How much worse, and how much longer can we let it go?

Considering all of the ‘troubles’ with impeachment is the same as continuing to submit to blackmail. At what point do we call the blackmailer’s bluff?

Let’s get moving. It’s long past time to do this thing.  We should have done it ages ago. Who stands around watching their house burn down without trying to put the fire out?

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By Douglas Chalmers, November 12, 2007 at 2:48 am Link to this comment

The trouble with the impeachment proceedings is that they will now push Bush’s Neocon plans into creating “an incident of national significance” so that he can use the military and declare a state of emergency - like Pakistan’s Musharraf!.

Kucinich:  We’re Losing Our Democracy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlmgKQTkRM8 (45sec - 1min)

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By Roman Szylo, November 12, 2007 at 2:42 am Link to this comment
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The American has no balls. All our lives we’ve watched you from afar, and on the big screen showing off how great you are.  Now the time has come for you to stand up and be counted, and you have all gone missing. Whilst the rug is being pulled from underneath you, you all squabble like chickens with their heads cut off running around in circles not knowing what to do[watching once again from afar].  Funny really, if it wasn’t so serious. Why do you underestimate people power? I say to you gather yourselves in numbers, with pitchforks and shovels, and take control of your own destiny.  It has happened before in countries like POLAND AND THE PHILLIPINES. In Hebrew, George Walker Bush reduces to 666, and FOX = 666 sport, news.  What are you waiting for…

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By cyrena, November 11, 2007 at 10:01 pm Link to this comment

#112886 by Sleeper

Sleeper,

Amen to all of your comments! Hell, maybe 3 Amens.

ITW, it’s odd that you would single Kucinich out for allegedly not getting anything done, because it seems like you have a good idea of how the system works. (say better than many others who simply stand on the sidelines and whine, without a clue to the reality of how the House works, with or without the real politick/expediency stuff)

Now, how long have we needed to impeach the crooks in DC? WHO has finally at least brought it to the floor? (I’ve mentioned this before, Cynthia McKinney attempted just about a years ago, just before she left the House – they blew her off even before she finished writing the thing). Nancy Pelosi was then, as she is now, the primary “hammer’ in keeping these other reps ‘in line’.

And, you say that Kucinich hasn’t done anything, or built any coalitions. Well, that’s pretty much been impossible, if Nancy is appointed as the head coalition builder in charge, and has little or no interest in bringing any agreement to the fore, even among her own party.

Then we have the other claimed dems of the masses, who have whined when the dems actually DO ‘get things done’. Henry Waxman has consistently worked and managed multiple accomplishments and investigations. Yet, whenever any of this hard work comes to the surface, (such as all of the shit that Cheney and his cabal have been covering up for years), we get people like farmerTx claiming that Henry and his team are just wasting time with a bunch of investigations, and they should be concentrating on impeachment.

Now we’re back to Kucinich, who HAS come up with the impeachment stuff, (After Cynthia McKinney’s efforts where entirely dismissed a year ago)and I’m sure that whatever Waxman has been able to uncover has been of some benefit to that.) and you’re claiming that this is the only thing he’s ever done. John Murtha comes up with a deal to fund the war that the repugs started and refuse to quit, so that it won’t be your kids and your great-great grandkids still paying for this thing, and Nancy bashes him over the head too, and they fail to pass it.

So Nancy has so far been running around (as Speaker of the House) chopping everybody off at the knees – or higher. Now Dennis has finally found a way around her, and the rest of the blue dog dems. So, whatever works. It has not become the sole responsibility of one person in the house or the senate, to form committees and coalitions. At the same time, no one person can get a whole lot done on their own, when they have ‘enemies’ among their own.

Meantime, we’ve got these same political expediency tycoons in the Senate. Schumer and Finestein approved Mukasey early on, (allowing the confirmation to proceed) and neither Barack or Hillary, (supposed forerunners in the campaign) bothered to cast a vote on the Mukasey thing at all, which is of course their responsibility as senators. So, where the hell were they?

And, what about Conyers? He claimed he would support this impeachment thing way back when. Is he gonna follow thru? Who knows?

What we DO know, is that Kucinich has with him, the same people (plus many others now) who have been with this the whole time. Look at the names on the resolution. We’ve always known that either Dick and George would have to be tossed out in the same operation, or Dick would have to go first, since he’s the host cancer cell anyway.

So, I don’t believe it’s accurate to say that Dennis has never gotten anything done, or even that ALL of the dems in Congress are worthless.  What I do believe, is that many of them have done the best they can, given all of the restrictions, and Nancy has damn sure been a restriction for everything, at least in the House. And, in all fairness, who would have thought she’d become such a debilitating force? I didn’t. Who knew? Maybe those in Congress at the time had an inkling. But we the voters didn’t.

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By Sleeper, November 11, 2007 at 9:16 pm Link to this comment

I don’t think it matters much if a Corporate darling from the right or the left wins.  Either will continue the build up to global fascist control.  They are the same in how much they are willing to sell their corporate sponsors.

I like Dennis because of his straight forward principles.  I like Ron Paul for his belief in our Constitution and his belief that we should not be involved in building an empire.  Neither of these are Corporate Darlings. 

Inheirit the Wind seems to think we need a Dem at all costs.  I think Ron Paul would be better then any other candidate except Kucinich.  I will not vote for a Hillary or an Obama.  I am unsure about an Edwards, but he is the only other one I might consider.

We need someone who will protect our autonomy and use our markets to help make this a better world not a global sweatshop.  We need an executive branch that thinks they are not above the law.  We need to make our government more concerned with its citizens and less concerned with multinational forces of wealth and power.

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By Inherit The Wind, November 11, 2007 at 8:59 pm Link to this comment

Ernest Canning on 11/11 at 7:05 pm
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ITW.  If Kucinich loses, we lose.  Each of us need look no further than our mirrors to see who will be responsible for the election of another corporate charleton.

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No, EC. Here you are wrong. If Kucinich loses, as he will, we still have a chance to survive as a democracy.

If the Re-thuglicans win, we ALL lose, and possibly all humanity loses forever.

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By cann4ing, November 11, 2007 at 8:05 pm Link to this comment

ITW.  If Kucinich loses, we lose.  Each of us need look no further than our mirrors to see who will be responsible for the election of another corporate charleton.

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By Inherit The Wind, November 11, 2007 at 7:59 pm Link to this comment

EC:

If you read what I have written, we both are terrified of the same thing: The end of our democracy and its replacement by a totalitarian theocracy.

The failure of the Pelosi House to REALLY bring on the investigations, to go after the kind of evidence needed to convince still-loyal-to-Democracy Republicans that Cheney and Bush are guilty of High Crimes and Misdemeanors is as appalling to me as to you.

But you have the bush-like “My way or the Highway” attitude.  Supposing you want to buy my…car.  And supposing you think my car is worth $10,000, but I think my car is worth $20,000.  You can either compromise with me and buy the car for, say $15,000, or you can stand on your principle that the car is only worth $10,000, that I SHOULD sell it to you for $10,000, that you’ll broadcast to the WORLD that I should sell it to you for $10,000 and you won’t go a nickel higher…on principle.

Well, you know as well as I do you ain’t gettin’ that car, so you darn well better have a “Plan B” for getting to work.

But we aren’t talking about a used car here.  We are talking about the survival of our democracy, and forming a coalition of people who agree with us just a little, somewhat, a fair bit, a lot, and totally.  We MUST find a way to work with those who are less than totally with us. Stand on principle, don’t bend to form a coalition, and you will bring about the end of Democracy as surely as if you were on the other side.

That’s what Kucinich has continually lacked.  That is why he is and has been ineffective.

That is why he will lose. 

Even Eugene McCarthy was more savvy and practical.

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By antispin, November 11, 2007 at 7:52 pm Link to this comment

To be sure, never forget that the one of the most import “split the difference” moments was Al Gore conceding the POTUS in 2000 (and then Kerry in 04).  That was seminal cowardice that was straight in line with choosing Joe Lie. for VP.  To appease the Boltons and Craigs on the right.  Who gives a shit about these corporate shills?  Only corporations and their mouthpieces in the MSM.  Shit can ‘em and drop ‘em off the end of cliff.  Who can abide such crap?!

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By antispin, November 11, 2007 at 7:41 pm Link to this comment

Amen, Earnest.  The “split the difference” mentality of these people has us now endorsing torture in the office of USAG, using FEMA and EPA to poison our citizenry, using the SEC to cover for outright banking fraud, using the IG to ok lead for our children, using the Federal Reserve to send cargo planes packed with thousands and thousands of bales of $100 bills to the CPA (Coalition Provisional Authority…if you had to ask: public, but not certified and not accountable) I mean, holy tamole, batman…what kind of idiots are we?  Don’t answer that.

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By cann4ing, November 11, 2007 at 7:27 pm Link to this comment

A human—thanks for the link, but I think I should point out that it is no longer HR 333.  The impeachment bill became H Res 333 when Mr. Kucinich introduced it on 11/6/07 as a motion for privilege and then was renumbered as H Res 799.

Wrong again, ITW.  I did not challenge you because you criticized Mr. Kucinich but because you confuse cause and effect.  If Mr. Kucinich has had to “stand on a soapbox” as you state, perhaps the question that should be asked is why it is necessary for someone who seeks to speak truth to power to resort to measures like a privileged motion; why his poignant address appeared only on alternative media? 

Could it be that impeachment, and Mr. Kucinich, are messages that the corporate elites who control the media and the levers of power within the Democratic party don’t want us to hear?

ITW’s criticism of Mr. Kucinich’s “effectiveness” misses the core issues before this nation.  I would prefer an honest effort to restore the rule of law to the chiseling surrender, bit by bit, of our constitutional democracy that we see from the do-nothing, corporate money seeking sector of the Democratic Party, e.g., Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid. 

The American people voted for a Democratic majority precisely because they expected that majority to end the war in Iraq and give voice to the rule of law.  But the corporate charletons are more interested in trolling for the corporate monies needed to win the next election than they are in fulfilling their duties to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign or domestic.  And right now, the major threat to the very survival of constitutional democracy and the rule of law comes not from Osama bin Laden and his hair-brained followers but from within—from the fascists who have seized control of the White House as the result of massive electoral fraud and a judicial coup.

When I read ITW’s miss-the-mark analysis, I am reminded of “The Great Unraveling” in which Paul Krugman quotes from Henry Kissinger’s 1957 doctoral thesis in referring the the Bush regime as a “revolutionary power” and the Democratic “leadership” as the defenders of the status quo.

“Lulled by a period of stability…, they find it nearly impossible to take at face value the assertion of the revolutionary power that it means to smash the existing framework.  The defenders of the status quo…begin by treating the revolutionary power as if its protestations were merely tactical; as if it really accepted the existing legitimacy but overstated its case for bargaining purposes; as if it were motivated by specific grievances to be assuaged by limited concessions.  Those who warn against the danger in time are considered alarmists; those who counsel adaptation to circumstance are considered balanced and sane….But it is the essence of a revolutionary power that it possesses the courage of its convictions, that it is willing, indeed eager, to pusch its principles to their ultimate conclusion.”

Krugman observed that this passage sent “chills down [his] spine, because it explains so well the otherwise baffling process by which the administration has been able to push radical policies, through, with remarkably little scrutiny or effective opposition.”

For ITW, politicians who surrender, bit-by-bit, the Constitution’s checks and balances and the rule of law in the name of political expediency may appear to be getting things done.  For me, I prefer the guy on the soap box who is warning us of the danger before it is too late, lest we one day awake to re-live 1933 when the German Reichstag passed the Enabling Act, surrendering all legislative power to Adolf Hitler, who then saw to it that Germany’s Social Democrats became the first to enjoy free passage to Buchenwald.

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By David L McNulty, November 11, 2007 at 6:36 pm Link to this comment
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By Inherit The Wind, November 11, 2007 at 6:21 pm Link to this comment

antispin on 11/11 at 1:42 pm
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The Earnest Canning/ITW exchange is uncannily (sorry) like the debate between Robert Scheer and Ralph Nader that was posted on TruthDig last week.  I think Scheer does a much better job of arguing for the cynical support of the Democratic Party leadership in the interest of achieving the greater good, but I think ITW exposes the weekness in that argument: it means declaring yourself a loser to corrupt corporate power from the get-go.  Once you’ve ceded that and said to yourself, “Oh well, Hillary is a shill for Walmart, but at least she wouldn’t have appointed Alito,” you’ve admitted that Walmart wins.  Mattel wins.  Haliburton wins.  Blackwater, Dyncorp and all the rest.  If Kucinich doesn’t chair a major committee because he’s an honest pol, then let’s get behind him!

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It IS unfortunate, but I’d rather have a democracy running on bad axles needed a valve job than a smooth-running dictatorship.

If you stand on “principles” and the Re-thuglicans regain power and retain the White House, our American experiment in democracy will be over—we are a hair’s-breadth from being another Pakistan—or worse.

I’d rather my children grow up under demo-weenies with compromises and corruption than growing up under a christo-fascist dictatorship willing to start WWIII using nuclear weapons because they believe Armageddon is just around the corner and with it The Rapture.

It’s just that simple.  You don’t like it. I don’t like it.  But the alternative is the end of our nation, and probably the end of the world as we know it. Do you want to stand on “principle” so we end up in The Terminator’s future world?  I don’t.

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By A human, November 11, 2007 at 4:09 pm Link to this comment
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HR 333

http://www.kucinich.house.gov

http://kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/int3.pdf

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By driving bear, November 11, 2007 at 3:03 pm Link to this comment

does anyone have a link to the text of inpeachment bill.
thanks.

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By antispin, November 11, 2007 at 2:42 pm Link to this comment

The Earnest Canning/ITW exchange is uncannily (sorry) like the debate between Robert Scheer and Ralph Nader that was posted on TruthDig last week.  I think Scheer does a much better job of arguing for the cynical support of the Democratic Party leadership in the interest of achieving the greater good, but I think ITW exposes the weekness in that argument: it means declaring yourself a loser to corrupt corporate power from the get-go.  Once you’ve ceded that and said to yourself, “Oh well, Hillary is a shill for Walmart, but at least she wouldn’t have appointed Alito,” you’ve admitted that Walmart wins.  Mattel wins.  Haliburton wins.  Blackwater, Dyncorp and all the rest.  If Kucinich doesn’t chair a major committee because he’s an honest pol, then let’s get behind him!

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By Inherit The Wind, November 11, 2007 at 2:31 pm Link to this comment

Ernest Canning on 11/11 at 8:39 am
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ITW.  Sorry pal, but your commentary misses the mark.  You cannot blame Dennis Kucinich for the fact that things don’t “get done” when it is the “do-nothings” like the so-called “Democratic leadership” who are the ones standing in the way.  You are absolutely correct in noting that Mr. Kucnich will neither blackmail nor conjole to get things done.  His method is to uncover the truth and to shame the do-nothings with that truth.  He is not “playing politics” in the dirty sense into which those two words have devolved.  Instead, he seeks to inject integrity into the political process.

When it comes to the issue at hand, the strategy of Mr. Kucinich in bringing his articles of impeachment to the floor of the House through the arcane method of a “motion of privilege” was a brilliant stroke of genius which may well jump start hearings before the House Judiciary Committee despite the vigorous opposition from Speaker Nancy “impeachment-is-off-the-table” Pelosi and her corporatist ally and snake-oil salesman, Steney Hoyer.

The fault that “things don’t get done” does not lie with Mr. Kucinich but instead can be found in a corrupt two-party system where the power of corporate money holds greater sway than the rule of reason.  If “this” particular thing—impeachment hearings—does not “get done” it will only be because We the People have failed to exert sufficient pressure on the people who are supposed to be “our” elected representatives to make sure that it does.

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I figured I’d get flack for criticizing Kucinich—but that’s OK.

I believe it is the job of a congressman to GET THINGS DONE.  If Kucinich can’t because of the House leadership’s cowardice, it’s because he has SQUANDERED his years in the House by not getting himself in a position to BE one of the leaders or being influential enough to oppose them. 

I don’t accept complaining that the leaders of his party won’t act on his positions.  They are nothing more than other congresspersons from other districts who HAVE used the the tools of government and democracy to achieve power.  Of course, they are squandering that power now—on that we agree.

Everyone has a different viewpoint and desire for what should be done.  Standing on a soapbox and pontificating on your viewpoint doesn’t work in Congress, and never has. Coalition building works, but Kucinich hasn’t done this.

I stand by my criticism of him.

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By Leefeller, November 11, 2007 at 2:02 pm Link to this comment

Kucinich a refreshing bit of truth, in the trash heap of real lies and politics.  We see money, media and the elite; all self selected guiding our government, while the people are instructed on what to believe.  For change to happen, maybe something like the French Revolution would be in order,  even if we used the French Head Chopper, look at France today, emulation of us.

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By Sleeper, November 11, 2007 at 11:35 am Link to this comment

I agree with Earnest.  Most politicians talk about a bunch of stuff, but the only thing they do is sell out “We The People”.  I need to reregister because I am moving an I have been so fed up with the Democratic Leadership I think I will as an independent.  I will rejoin the party if I think I can help out Dennis. 

My other thought is that Ron Paul seems to be moving up.  I heard him say today he believes in free trade. I thought he was against NAFTA.  I figured that since he speaks so much about the original foreign policy he might consider fair trade with tariffs to help the more humane and worker concious nations.

It is the corporately endowed that are raising all the funds and they are not raising them by looking out for our interrest.  They want us in a global cashless society where they control everything as we have no way to seek any real justice.  That is bought and sold to the highest bidders which has nothing to do with Truth and costs too much for the lower 85% to be able to afford.

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By cann4ing, November 11, 2007 at 9:39 am Link to this comment

ITW.  Sorry pal, but your commentary misses the mark.  You cannot blame Dennis Kucinich for the fact that things don’t “get done” when it is the “do-nothings” like the so-called “Democratic leadership” who are the ones standing in the way.  You are absolutely correct in noting that Mr. Kucnich will neither blackmail nor conjole to get things done.  His method is to uncover the truth and to shame the do-nothings with that truth.  He is not “playing politics” in the dirty sense into which those two words have devolved.  Instead, he seeks to inject integrity into the political process.

When it comes to the issue at hand, the strategy of Mr. Kucinich in bringing his articles of impeachment to the floor of the House through the arcane method of a “motion of privilege” was a brilliant stroke of genius which may well jump start hearings before the House Judiciary Committee despite the vigorous opposition from Speaker Nancy “impeachment-is-off-the-table” Pelosi and her corporatist ally and snake-oil salesman, Steney Hoyer.

The fault that “things don’t get done” does not lie with Mr. Kucinich but instead can be found in a corrupt two-party system where the power of corporate money holds greater sway than the rule of reason.  If “this” particular thing—impeachment hearings—does not “get done” it will only be because We the People have failed to exert sufficient pressure on the people who are supposed to be “our” elected representatives to make sure that it does.

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By Inherit The Wind, November 11, 2007 at 9:16 am Link to this comment

Wexler of FLA has started making the right move.  Wexler and Conyers need US to make things happen.  Kucinich brought the Tuesday motion with 86 dems bucking Pelosi to back him. That’s nearly a quarter of the House.  That’s enough to build on.

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My long-standing criticism of Kucinich has been that he makes a lot of noise, but can’t get anything done.  It’s not that I disagree with his ideas (impeaching Cheney FIRST is one agree with), it’s that he has made a career of not getting anything done, not getting legislation to the floor, not forming coalitions to produce the number of votes, not showing leadership or management in any way, shape or form.

If working with Wexler he’s gotten 86 House votes, it’s the FIRST TIME Kucinich has shown a glimmer of the ability to lead and CONVINCE people to go along with him.

Jimmy Carter, for all his true brilliance and honesty FAILED as President because he couldn’t find ways to manage and work with Congress. At that skill, Reagan was far superior.  Clinton learned VERY quickly how to do that, but Bush never had to (though he did in Texas).

Dennis Kucinich shows all the signs of not knowing how to reach out and convince/cajole/blackmail/bribe his fellows in the Congress to follow him. That’s what it ALWAYS takes—you want to ABC done, I want to get XYZ done—you help me get XYZ done and I’ll help you get ABC done—that’s the cajole/convince/bribe part.  Blackmail? You KNOW they do it all the time—whether it’s the obvious: Drugs and hookers, or the subtle—If you EVER want to get ABC done you damn well better help me get XYZ done even though you hate it!

Kucinich makes lots of speeches and advocates fine policies but that’s all he’s done.  Maybe, maybe Wexler can convince him and show him how to turn those ideas into realities, not just noise. 

It is a concern to me that all these years in Congress have not taught Dennis Kucinich how to get things done.  I do not see how a man like than can actually function as the Chief Executive.  He’d better start learning quickly.

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By Sleeper, November 11, 2007 at 7:35 am Link to this comment

Thanks to Dennis,

This is a bold step in the right direction.  As Dennis said their are many people who think the Constitution is out moded.  Those happen to be the zealots who pursue party politics over Constitutional responsibility.  They pursue money and power not service to our government.

Multinational Corporate money puts on the show every day.  It writes the script that we see and hear on the mainstream media.  Truth has very little to do with it.  We are programmed with the morning news.

The man behind the curtain supplies the money for the campaigns which are getting longer and more expensive.  We are told stories of Towers that collapse as no tower has ever collapsed before.  Three of them in one day.  Since no similar Tower has ever collapsed because of fire the probability of one collapsing as we are led to believe is like a .1% chance of happening. 

Three is so far fetched that there is a certainty that we have been lied too. the proof is beyond any reasonable doubt. The Commission engadged in a criminal cover-up.  “WE THE PEOPLE” need to stand up and demand some real answers. 

We need not only to impeach the two executive mouth pieces, but they need to go to jail.  All the members of the PNAC that had any knowledge of this TREASON need to go to jail.  All the members of the Commission that tried to cover up this TREASON need to go to jail.

Foreign entities need to be barred from making political contributions and so do Corporations.  Corporations are not people.  This theory was never a decission only a lie that has been backed by elite sponsors since the late 1800’s.  It was “WE THE PEOPLE” that declared independence from Imperial Rule.

It is the veteran that risks everything to defend our Constitution.  It is the politician who cashes in by selling the Sacred Document and betraying the veteran to artificial entities that rob us taxpayers.  There is money in this Military Congressional Industrial Complex.

Now things are so twisted that the Deserter in Cheif is sending our youth to die while our expert on deferment is making a killing off the killing and all Nancy wants is her piece of this pie bought with this Blood Money.

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By cyrena, November 11, 2007 at 6:49 am Link to this comment

#112876 by Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD

Dear Doc,
I’m taking these out of order, just because I’m hoping to maybe connect them to what you’ve suggested…

•  It pains me that Kucinich, the one person running who most closely aligns with my sense of good government and leadership, doesn’t have a chance in hell.

Now, I know that everyone is saying this, and reasonably so…that Kucinich doesn’t have a chance in hell. And, even he admits to being a very long shot. Obviously though, these supposedly ‘dismal’ chances of his, are based on the way he’s been intentionally marginalized by the rest of his own party ‘leaders’ as well as the alleged forerunners. In short, they’re doing everything they can (the elitists) to keep him out on the fringe.

HOWEVER, you also suggested this:

•  There’s little proactive we can do; spleen-venting on the internet doesn’t really help.  This may.  After, better yet, before, you get your puss out on liberal blogs, take a minute to write your congresspeople and tell them how you feel.  A million or so of these might make a difference.

Now, since we’re largely talking about the same people, (the congressional reps) that are apparently making it impossible for Kucinich to get the recognition that he needs, I’m not so sure that contacting these people (with a million or so letters) might make a difference. STILL, I’m certainly willing to try.

But, on that same dime, if all of us who put our puss out on these liberal blogs ALSO simply decided to VOTE for Dennis Kucinich (in addition to writing those letters) how do we know that he wouldn’t stand a chance in hell? I mean, if letters work, why shouldn’t our vote? Remember the ‘silent majority’ principle?

I mean think about it. If we all vote for him in the primaries, and he still doesn’t get the nomination, we have another chance to write him in, for the grand prize drawing. Yes, yes, I know there are plenty who will suggest that I’m just being naïve and all the rest of it. But…people have told me that before. Didn’t stop me from trying, and…in most instances, succeeding. But, even if ‘success’ isn’t the end result, I can say only what my dad always told me, “nothing beats a try but a failure”. But, if we don’t even try, (presuming that he doesn’t have a chance in hell) then of course we’ll never know.

If Dennis Kucinich is who we want, then Dennis Kucinich is who we should have. Who’s dime is this anyway? Well, it’s OURS, dammit!! (more like a few trillion actually). So, yeah, I’ve got no problem with letters, though I know for a fact that faxes probably work better, because a lot depends on which reps you’re writing to. You mentioned that you’ve received replies in the past, and with at least a few of my own reps, so have I.

The thing is, my OWN reps are mostly already on the right side of this. (except for Pelosi) So, I can continue to bombard her with letters and the like, but I don’t think it’s gonna do any good, just because…it’s HER. So, that can’t be our one and only avenue. We need to think about voting for Kucinich, (if that’s who we want) without the typical logic that says he doesn’t have a chance in hell, because he does have a chance, if we give it to him.

Yes, I know that we did this 7 years ago, and it didn’t matter. (Voted for one guy, and the others took over anyway) But still, now that we’re ALL aware of how and why that happened, this might be a good time to just go back to the basics, and demand the people that WE choose, and not who the Cabal’s media chooses. Additionally, this doesn’t require the risk of splitting the votes among a 3rd party candidate.

So, there’s still time. Vote for Dennis, and spread the word. Tell your reps you want THEM to vote for him too. Tell your mailperson and your gardener to vote for him. Maybe that will make a difference.

I mean, if everybody doing the spleen-spliting on these blogs votes for the guy, he might very well have more than a chance in hell.

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By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, November 11, 2007 at 6:08 am Link to this comment

Today, I sent a letter to my reps in the house and senate urging them to impeach Dickie.  It only took a minute or two and, as best as I can determine, reps do get these communications, since I have had replies in the past. I have also sent hard copies.  There’s little proactive we can do; spleen-venting on the internet doesn’t really help.  This may.  After, better yet, before, you get your puss out on liberal blogs, take a minute to write your congresspeople and tell them how you feel.  A million or so of these might make a difference. 

It pains me that Kucinich, the one person running who most closely aligns with my sense of good government and leadership, doesn’t have a chance in hell.  But, maybe he really will get Dickie impeached. That would be a victory.

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By GW=MCHammered, November 11, 2007 at 12:16 am Link to this comment
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The days of great province finally mornings. Bravo Dennis - is right!

Balls is the word, is the word, is the word…..

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By antispin, November 10, 2007 at 7:59 pm Link to this comment

Anyone who watched the MSM “lefty” funny men (Daily Show & Bill Maher, etc) has seen this scene repeated ad nauseum: Kucinich’s wife being trashed as too good-looking or eccentric…and I mean *really* trashed.  What was it?  FLILF?  That was just so rude.  Was that CIA wing of WAG?  I’m no prude, but that was just over-the-top offensive in a way that the FCC ought to take action.  You don’t drool lascivously over the wife of a presidential candidate on prime time TV.  That’s molestation, not comedy.  And remember when Harry Belafonte took a principled stand and condemned Bush in no uncertain terms?  He came in for drubbing on the Daily Show.  What gets me now is that at the time I thought it was Jon Stewart actually voicing his opinion.  Now I realize it was the CIA wing of WAG, or something similar…

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By cyrena, November 10, 2007 at 7:27 pm Link to this comment

#112817 by Bert

Bert, Bravo to you too!! Such an excellent post…you’ve put it all right where it is, to articulate what it’s about.

And, this is the reason why Kucinich continues to be undermined by the elitists among the corporate landowners, (not so different from the original plantation owners/landed gentry/etc.) Not so very much has changed. Whatever may have changed briefly, as a result of the New Deal, and what now seems like such a short period in our overall history, when the system at least appeared to work for most of the people, most of the time – has reverted back.

I remember when Kucinich was attempting to do his patriotic duty back in the run-up to the 2004 election. Of course the elitists choose Kerry…turned out to be pretty much the same. It’s all about the monopoly money that they keep printing. Thing is, that’s not gonna last a lot longer either. And yes, the same group has already planned its get-away to richpeoplestan. (I do love that). And, their own riches have already been converted to alternative currency.

That leaves the debt on all of us left behind, with a worthless currency, and a broken system for providing for ourselves. I used to think these ‘survivalists’ (at least that’s what we called them back in the day) were basically ‘nut jobs’. Well, if that was ever really the case, it would appear that I’ve become one myself. The truth is that there’s no other way to keep ourselves intact, unless we take on these ‘survivalist’ mentalities and practices among those of us left, after the thugs depart for ‘richpeoplestan”.

That boils down to growing our own food, and making our own clothes, and doing our own trading amongst ourselves, among many other ‘survivalist’ practices. Hopefully Dennis will hang in there with us, to lead the way. But, I see us needing to basically start from scratch, once we’ve been rid of this cancer that now has the seat.

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By hazmaq, November 10, 2007 at 7:00 pm Link to this comment

Holy Shit!  Think Iowa are a bunch of seniors? (I did)  WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!

Truthdig has to get the video of the most magnificent chant I have ever heard in my life.  (And I rarely use the word magnificent).  It was so powerful it brought me to tears.
It came from the crowd of Democrats!! during the introduction at the Jefferson Jackson Dinner -after Obama and his wife was introduced.
I’m still not sure what the words were,  but damn it was deeply powerful and beautiful!


My extreme disappointment was that Congressman Dennis Kucinich was not there.  Out of all the people up there -he deserved to be there more than anyone else.

Kucinich is our hero.

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By Bert, November 10, 2007 at 5:11 pm Link to this comment
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I fully agree with Kucinich, and applaud him taking
the independent initiative to walk the impeachment
paper up to the microphone, bravo, Dennis!

I think what ails our country these days is the
very thing it also seems to run on, the Almighty
Dollar. You can look at a lot of aspects of all of
this, but most of it seems to boil down to MONEY.
Millions here, billions there, people don’t really
give a tinker’s damn as long as They Get Theirs.
Loss of democracy, loss of community, loss of a lot
of things, but hey, they built a Wal-Mart Superstore!
Now, if you only had the gas to get there, and
money in the bank to actually buy something…
I call it Welcome To Consumer Hell, where your
citizenship is now measured by your credit score
and buying power, and all else is basically
irrelevant. Hey, what’s that that came in the mail
today? Another letter from Chase with a 10k
pre-approved credit line? Woohoo! Fuck poltix, let’s
go SHOPPING! And, that’s the point. You look up
politics, and it’s the art/science of government.
Well, ok, what does ‘government’ mean? It refers to
the people, the process, you’ve got people called
governors, controllers, regulators, and you’ve also
got this thing called The Debt, which is the amount
of funny money they printed to pay for all of it.
There’s some that say we aren’t LOSING our democracy
so much as we sold it, and by association ourselves,
in exchange for low low monthly payments. For life.
Ah yes, credit and debt, credit and debt, we are
owned by our money and our possessions, a far, far
cry from the rhetoric of freedom and liberty, although I think there IS a financial institution
that says ‘liberty’ in there somewhere, so what
in the world really IS going on, here? Well,
our military’s been sent to ‘git mah oil, boah’,
and the Bush oil family quit listening to its’
critics, and a lot of people are starting to line
up behind the idea that a lot of the stuff we keep
getting told is justa buncha crap.  Which it is,
I mean, if they started having honest politicians,
they’d work themselves out of a job in about 10
minutes, and that’d be one more unemployed person
walking the streets, there.

Nonetheless, I fully support Kucinich. I think it’s
a great challenge for our Congress to try, at
least vainly TRY, to re-assert their rightful role
in all of this. I think there’s business interests,
make that entrenched business interests, who are
going to fight that tooth and nail, because it’ll
disrupt their customary ways of doing business.
But, seeing as how all these business experts have
now managed/mismanaged our Con Me to the point where
a rising number of people are being conned out of
their homes, it’s time to reunite voter with
representative, and leave the private islands
and yacht/luxury private jet fleets to the people
that were probably just leaving anyway. They can
all go and form their own country or something,
call it Richpeoplestan, whatever they do just as
long as they vacate Washington…

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By cann4ing, November 10, 2007 at 5:07 pm Link to this comment

Following his vote in opposition to tabling the impeachment resolution, Robert Wexler (D.FL), a member of the House Judiciary Committee released the following statement:

“Vice President Dick Cheney and the Bush Administration have demonstrated a consistent pattern of abusing the law and misleading Congress and the American people.  We see the consequences of these actions abroad in Iraq and at home through the violations of our civil liberties.

“The American people are served well with a legitimate and thorough impeachment inquiry.  I urge the Judiciary Committee to schedule impeachment hearings immediately and not let this issue languish as it has over the last six months.  Only through hearings can we begin to correct the abuses of Dick Cheney and the Bush Administration; and, if it is determined in these hearings that Vice President Cheney has committed High Crimes and Misdemeanors, he should be impeached and removed from office.

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By Amir, November 10, 2007 at 3:52 pm Link to this comment
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Please contact your congressman/woman and demand their support for a fasttrack to impeachment of Cheney. The momentum should not be lost.

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By antispin, November 10, 2007 at 1:31 pm Link to this comment

If Hillary is elected and sits for 8 years then we’ll have 36 years of Reagan-Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton.  No country can survive this much fascism. 

US Americans have not entirely forgotten how to be leaders in rebellion, but with the relentless drums of MSM (FOX=NPR=CNN=ABC=DISNEY) the spirit of 1776 sure seems faint.

Where is Conyers?  HELLO JOHN CONYERS!!!!  He voted with Kucinich to bring impeachment to the House floor but hasn’t shown any gumption on the Judiciary committee since ‘06. 

Eugene Debs said “If I could lead you into paradise, then someone else could lead you out.”  Jefferson said “Because we know that someday the Executive will become corrupted and the Legistlature will be corrupted and the the Media will be corrupted - that is why we have vested ultimate power with the people.”  The people must demand accountability.  We have ceded too much power to FOX and Pelosi.  The people must roar - ROAR!!!

Wexler of FLA has started making the right move.  Wexler and Conyers need US to make things happen.  Kucinich brought the Tuesday motion with 86 dems bucking Pelosi to back him. That’s nearly a quarter of the House.  That’s enough to build on. The POTUS election is going to be all theater if it’s Hillary v. Ghouliani.  We must change the office.  Cheney & co. have reformed the Executive as a lawless omnipotence.  They must be penalized.  They must be “empêcher” so that whoever follows knows that’s off-limits.  No more preemptive war of choice.  No more funneling all electronic communication to the NSA.  Habeus corpus protection is sacrosanct.  This is not even an argument.  There is no there there on “the other side,” which doesn’t even exist.  They are totally fascistic and frivolous and must be outed.

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By Leefeller, November 10, 2007 at 12:13 pm Link to this comment

Our nation is in a quagmire and the people who are supposed to safeguard our nation, have done the opposite, with right wing think tanks, planned precision they have been crossing off peoples rights from the Constitution.  If congress does not get there collective heads out of the arises, connoting the dots and include Congress with the Whitehouse in need of attention. 

Our two party system seems to support the problem,  the differences seem to be only window dressing, while the plan is business as usual.

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By NovaScotian4djk, November 10, 2007 at 9:59 am Link to this comment
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Hey down there! Tell your friends about Dennis, as I have told every American I know. He is absolutely spot-on in everything he says. Of particular importance is his warning that you are losing your democracy to corporate interests. It seems to me that the only possible salvation for American democracy is Kucinich’s inaugeration in January of 2009.
Yes, it’s a long-shot. But it’s true what Dennis said: democracy is also a long-shot for America.

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By cann4ing, November 10, 2007 at 9:50 am Link to this comment

Mr. Kucinich’s powerful Nov. 6 address on the floor of House of Representatives should be seen by all.  It is the most powerful address I have seen from anyone in decades.  It is available at

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/cheney

scroll to near the bottom of the page.

54% of Americans; more than 70% of dems support impeachment.  There is a very good prospect that House Judiciary Committee hearings on impeachment could commence in the very near future.  A number of rank-and-file Dems are breaking with the “do-nothing” so-called “leadership” of Pelosi/Hoyer.  Congressman Wexler, a member of the committee, is pressing John Conyers to initiate the hearings.  There are petitions at the above link that you can sign to keep the pressure on Conyers to follow up.  (It should be noted that Conyers was amongst those who voted against the Hoyer motion to table.)

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By don knutsen, November 10, 2007 at 9:32 am Link to this comment
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Despite what the network media is trying to shove down our throats…that Hillary is the democrat’s candidate. Dennis Kucinich could be with action of the people. They get away with manipulating our political system for one reason. Because we, the people have allowed it. The people have the power if they organize, get the information out, force our other elected representitives to listen to us by putting down the remote and contacting them on a daily basis untill they wake up. Our democratic leadership is not helping. Kucinich is exactly right, there is nothing more important then holding the criminals in the white house accountable.

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By GW=MCHammered, November 10, 2007 at 9:19 am Link to this comment
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Kucinich, one of the few in DC not fall-down drunk on K-$treet cash. When the narcotized GOP/DEM siamese twins shut out Mister Kucinich, I hope he accepts the Unity ‘08 or other party nomination. And yes, IMPEACH <u>and</u> EXILE or JAIL the sick Dick-in-Chief.

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By 911truthdotorg, November 10, 2007 at 9:07 am Link to this comment

Manila Ryce -

Thanks for posting that article.

I did not know Ron Paul voted against Dennis’ impeachment resolution. I guess “Mr. Constitution” puts party and ambition before country like the rest of them - except Dennis.

Sadly, though, he is still the lesser of all evils on the rescumlican side. God help us if giuliani gets in.

Kucinich 2008!!

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By William Ries, November 10, 2007 at 8:47 am Link to this comment

I think what the interesting part of Kucinich’s interview said about the big media planning to hijack the election had great merit.  The people’s voice, drowned out by the big media.  I totally agree.  Hopefully he gains momentum and legitimate coverage in the mainstream press for his impeachment move.  They try to discredit him as a kook.  Their attempts to diminish Rep. Kucinich speaks volumes as to his credibility.  Wake up voters.

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By DennisD, November 10, 2007 at 6:41 am Link to this comment
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The vast majority of our Congress have been nothing but co-conspirators and enablers of the Bu$h agenda, they should all be impeached and serving hard time with Bu$h Inc.

DK - keep up the fight - I hope more people wake up before it’s too late. We’ve already lost our democracy or republic, whichever you like, “we the people” now have to take it back.

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By Jaded Prole, November 10, 2007 at 5:55 am Link to this comment
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Kucinich is the only politician with the guts to defy power in order to do what’s right. It seems there is a good chance his impeachment effort may proceed. It could have a domino effect of bringing down the neocons. I hope it catapaults him into the spotlight as well. Once the dynamism of an impeachment gets started and the crimes are aired, opportunistic politicians are likely to jump on the bandwagon.

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By Verne Arnold, November 10, 2007 at 4:38 am Link to this comment

Surely it is significant, that a man of Kucinich’s integrity and straight to the point dialogue is trailing the two “mainstream propagandists”.  Surely it is significant that his pictures of the things that are really happening to us are ignored…not heard…not believed.  AND, his fellow dems will not support the very thing American people want. 
The only conclusion possible at this point is; Americans are stupid, frightened, sheep!  Lead to slaughter by the “machine”…that “entity”; unidentifiable as an individual…sort of Big Brother or Kafka’s K’s adversary in “The Castle”.  In reality, we know who is leading us in our Machiavellian plunge into the abyss.  The corporatists; why do we acquiesce to their treachery?  Why?

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By SaviourMachine, November 10, 2007 at 3:39 am Link to this comment

Kucinich is THE ONLY candidate who speaks the truth and has the integrity,tenacity and courage to stand by what he says.

He deserves the respect,contributions and votes.

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By cyrena, November 10, 2007 at 2:39 am Link to this comment

#112694 by Manila Ryce on 11/10 at 12:31 am

Manila Ryce,

THANK YOU very much for posting this. I read your piece, and it is excellent. It’s also yet another feather in my intuitive cap. I have been extremely leery of all of the attention that Dr. Paul has generated, knowing, (at least in my own gut and instinct) that he is NOT what he appears to be to those who have latched on to him as some sort of a savior.

On the other hand, I guess I understand why. Somehow it was never enough to just say, NO WAY to Ron Paul, if only because he’s a repuglican from Texas. I mean, it just seems to me like THAT should be enough to warn anybody off. But, because it seems shallow and somehow superstitious, I’ve actually provided some other very clear reasons for why he would be a disaster.

Maybe a read of your article will allow those to see, that all is not what it appears to be, with Dr. Paul. I mean, how many said the same thing about george bush?

Meantime, Kucinich is the guy, and he really is our only hope, unless it’s already too late. I hope not. Meantime, we STILL have to get rid of dick cheney. I have no doubts that if dick falls, george will cave immediately.

What Congressman Kucinich read from that defense bill is like very scary, if anyone paid any attention.

Meantime, our San Franciso Bay is all jacked-up with oil. 58,000 gallons of it to be exact. What the hell is happening here?

For those of you endorsing Paul, the good doctor voted to table (kill) Kucinich’s impeachment resolution. You’d think a self-described “strict constitutionalist” would base their vote solely on the constitution and not the politics of their party. He had no problem voting for all articles brought against Bill Clinton.

I wrote the following article, which has more info about this:
http://www.jwharrison.com/blog/2007/11/07/why-did-ron- paul-vote-against-impeachment/

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By Manila Ryce, November 10, 2007 at 1:31 am Link to this comment
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For those of you endorsing Paul, the good doctor voted to table (kill) Kucinich’s impeachment resolution. You’d think a self-described “strict constitutionalist” would base their vote solely on the constitution and not the politics of their party. He had no problem voting for all articles brought against Bill Clinton.

I wrote the following article, which has more info about this:
http://www.jwharrison.com/blog/2007/11/07/why-did-ron-paul-vote-against-impeachment/

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By antispin, November 9, 2007 at 11:23 pm Link to this comment
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I had a bumper sticker on my car for the last year or so: Pelosi for President in ‘07.

With some difficulty, I removed it.  I am so disappointed with these dems…who remembers the drumbeat for Clinton’s impeachment: every day on NPR sonorous republican voices would intone with reverberance their oratorial cadences.  One of the was Larry Craig…but now, now, when you rally need the NRA nutbags to start their militias retaking the government…now…nothing.  Bloggers and useless posters to the internets…

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By vet240, November 9, 2007 at 10:10 pm Link to this comment

Think about what happens when the head of the Fcc (a conglomerate whore himself) allows further consolidation of the media.

One day the only place you will have to get the news is the Fox network. Excuse me while I wretch.

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By vet240, November 9, 2007 at 10:01 pm Link to this comment

The Democratic Party has demonstrated their own ability to lie. In 2006 they ran on the promise they would end the war in Iraq. Now they talk of a 4 to 10 year presense there. To deny the Contitutional mandate for impeachment for high crimes and misdemeaners is in itself a move away from the safegaurds provided in the Constitution.

The legislative branch of our Government no longer represent their constituents. They are owned by the military/industrial complex.

It’s time to elect a third party headed by Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich.

Upon their successful election I demand that they institute Congressional investigation of criminal acts by the bu$h cabal.

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By birch, November 9, 2007 at 9:39 pm Link to this comment
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Kucinich clearly shows the kind of integrity that could get him killed by the oligarchy. I hope he has good protection.

He’s well-spoken, not without humour, understands the issues and the destruction that has been created by the economic forces that have defined the last couple of decades, and deserves far more attention than he gets in the mainstream press.

Go, Dennis.

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By 911truthdotorg, November 9, 2007 at 9:10 pm Link to this comment

Kucinich is absolutely AWESOME!

How anyone can listen to him and not want him to be
President, boggles my mind.

The other day Ron Paul did not rule out Kucinich as VP if he made it. He even said they were good friends.

God help this country if either of these guys doesn’t make it.

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