#111810 by PaulMagillSmith on 11/05 at 2:30 pm: “...Once you check out & study this link (you might want to bookmark it…”

I’ve given up bookmarking these things under “human rights abuses” or “warfare” and just put them under “USA” instead now, uhh…...

Once you check out & study this link (you might want to bookmark it because there are dozens of links to be read), you will get a good picture of what we are facing from this tyrant of the Far Reich/Far Right:

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

I have been a member of MoveOn.org for two or three years now (or longer, I can’t remember), and except for their stance on a couple issues (one is immigration policy I believe) am in agreement with their take on various matters.

They have been leaders in the fight against the Cheney/Bush cabal, and are vital to our progressive interests. They were crucial in the fight to influence Congress to roll back (reject) the FCC chairman’s ruling giving greater consolidation to media ownership. This was a vital success for ALL Americans, even those too stupid or ill informed to realize how fatal a bullet was dodged. (be aware the fascists are trying to reload the weapon again right now) 

To reply to the previous poster who said we must organize, MoveOn IS an organization of 3.3 million people, all connected through the net, and by the fact Bush felt it neessary to slam them in a PR stunt in front of the right wing ‘stooge’ organizaion known as The Heritage Foundation, this just shows the ‘burr under the saddle’ is having an impact. If it weren’t an impedimet to the wayward crooked policies of this administration he would just ignore them, just like he has done with the rest of the majority of Americans since his 2000 COUP (thanks cyrena for using that terminology).

Lots of great posts here, but I think we should pay particular attention to #111338 by Douglas Chalmers on 11/03 at 12:23 am(check out the link Doug provided…thanks Doug).

I saw a little coverage about this event, but the MSM gave it so little, other than a brief mention without many details, it made me suspicious. If the facts are correct this is a VERY BIG DEAL, because this is is not only a prime cause for impeachment (not that there aren’t ample others), but also makes anyone connected with this event (including Isrealis) liable for prosecution under international law for crimes against humanity due to the usage of nuclear WMD (not that this administration hasn’t previously violated these same laws by repeated & continuing use of depleted uranium weaponry). We all need to stay on top of this story and write about it wherever & whenever as soon as the facts are definitely verified.

As for Ron Paul I’m glad he, just like Dennis Kucinich, are in the race because even if neither has much chance of becoming president they inject ideas into the campaign that need consideration. I agree with cyrena that ANY mention of religion in political discussions is not only inappropriate, but dangerous to democracy as well. As an interesting statistical aside I’ll mention here that 14% of Americans admit to having seen a UFO, a poll number higher than most of the lower tier candidates have garnered, so people should not deride DK for telling the truth.

Personally he would be my dream choice as president, and Ron Paul would rank a distant fourth (or fifth if Al Gore would get off his dead ass and announce he’s running). I do think DK & RP would gain by quittin their parties and running as independents at this point, though, but what the hell do I know since I chose Kerry & Gore as winners of the last two elections. The wicked usurper spoiled all of that.

#111071 by cyrena on 11/01 at 9:18 pm: “Goody!!! You all make such great comments. That’s always encouraging (at least for me) and especially after an episode from the idiot-psychopath-in-chief…...
Notice the cheering crowd in the ‘audience’...?”

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Somethings happening more and more that perhaps nobody’s noticed.

Where cheers and applause came quickly on the heels of the babbling bush in times past, now there’s a pause ... when he pauses.

We all know there’s required “learning time” to become familiar enough with a written script to be able to deliver it effectively. And we can expect bush spends a good bit of time doing just that, every time he prepares to deliver one of his gems.

The pause ... allowing time for the audience to cheer and applaud ... is written into the script.
Lately however, when bush pauses ... there is a moment of silence.

Then someone, or a few someone’s cheer and the crowd having been given their cue join in.

We are expected to then think the crowd accepts, respects and believes his words of wisdom. [yes I’m being facetious] But remember this, even the carefully placed cheer-leaders probably don’t believe a word he says, they don’t have too ... that’s not why they’re there. They are there to cue the crowd and they have memorized their cues.

Sometimes it’s not readily apparent, but if you pay attention you will notice. Particularly when he’s speaking to a group of troops. And the pause, following the pause is becoming the standard, not the exception.

When he appeared on the scene in California, it was very obvious. You could almost identify the source of the first cheer. It even appeared to surprise him!

So don’t give up folks. Keep on speaking truth to power to anyone who will listen. It doesn’t matter whether you wear a costume or belong to an organized group. You belong to the fastest growing dis-organized group in American history. The group that wants this administration gone!

Now if we could just get organized ...

Speaking of costumes and organized groups. Did truthdig post anything on the nation-wide protests last week? No other main stream, but usually forthright news source did ... including c-span!

Did they, did I miss it?

I’m beginning to believe there’s no-one out there anymore who has the guts to stand up to the offenses coming out of DC!
Or cares to bother.

Why is that?
What’s going on?

Threats, blackmail, exposure, death-threats?
Or maybe “they” have been persuaded that if they aren’t silent, the dems wont win the next election!

Given the stupidity that reigns in congress I find that somewhat believable ...

Or has someone put something in all the air-conditioners that slowly melts the brain?

What really is going on?

BlueEagle, #111227

Sorry, I did get carried away with making what might appear to the reader connection between the Near Enders and Ron Paul. So, my apologies.

There IS a definite connection, (though maybe not so apparent at the surface) between Dr. Paul’s religious ideology, and his politics. ONLY because of the incredible damage that this ‘trend’ has taken over the past decade, (this marriage of religion and politics) am I hypersensitive to it. NOT because I am anti-religious, (or at least I never was before) but these recent years have rendered me terrorized by the wedding of religion and politics. Honestly, Ron Paul does in fact represent that mentality. It would not be fair to connect him with the ‘radical Near Enders” but there are other (again, less obvious signs) that put him in a similar ideological camp.

Yes, I have seen his voting record. On the surface, he would appear to be harmless enough. BUT…there really IS more to see below the surface, and that’s what so many miss. For instance, I know people (many of them) who felt the same way about george bush in the run up to The Coup of 2000. They believed he was ‘sincere’. These were not necessarily ‘stupid’ people; they just had little exposure or insight –beyond the surface-. And, they were part of a manipulated ‘group think’ mentality.

So,  my concerns about Dr/Congressman Paul, may – alone- seem trivial, but taken in their entirety, make me uncomfortable. First, he’s a republican, and while I’ve been advised that he isn’t “from” TX, he DOES represent that state as a Congressman, and has for a long time. Just as Cheney is ‘from’ Wy, and the Bush Dynasty is ‘from” MA, all have made their political and economic conquests from TX. Republicans+Texas=DISASTER!! Yes, I’ve allowed that there is very little difference in the overall political behavior of both parties. Still, when we start breaking it down to individuals, we should pay attention. He is a repug, and he does represent TX.

I am also very leery of his brand of “libertarianism”. The basic tenets of the ideology seem acceptable enough – at least in theory. In reality, it’s not such a simple thing. We cannot simply dismantle the education system, the tax system, or any of the other systems that are clearly dysfunctional, without some alternative plan. He doesn’t have one. I am MOST alarmed by his thoughts on abortion. While he agrees that this should be ‘left up to the states”, it’s a dodge and a contradiction to his mentality (as a physician and a politician) that ‘life begins at conception’ and that he therefore does not approve of it himself, (but is willing to leave it to the states). Again, that’s a political dodge, and it is in direct contradiction to his claim that he’s all for the Constitution, when the Constitution long ago settled this issue in Roe v Wade. No politician that claims to believe in the rights of individuals, OR the Constitution, should even be ADDRESSING the topic of abortion as a political issue, because it isn’t. For me, that spells major trouble.

Those are the ‘nuances’ that aren’t as visible on the surface; but still shouldn’t be ignored, as we see from what we’ve wound up with. I’m overwhelmingly concerned about this whole mentality of those who would connect “morals and values’ with a religion (in this case Christianity), and then wed them to a policy that is supposed to dictate to all. Unfortunately, Dr. Paul is part of that group, and that simply makes me very leery, because I see the damage it has done to our nation over these past years. Politics and religion are wedded in other governments. (like Islam) That was NEVER intended to be the case here. We were intended to be a nation governed by the rule of law, and yes MAN MADE LAW, because that’s what a democracy is. Anything different from that should leave all of us leery.

Those are my concerns. I worry that we no longer recognize the separation of Church and State, and I don’t think he does either. That’s disaster.

Douglas Chalmers:

“The USA certainly must be the most obsessed nation on Earth with its constant drivel about “potential attacks”, uhh. It is sadly ironic given that, geographically, it is the safest nation from attack of anywhere on Earth.”

I take issue with your statement.  I think Arctic and Anarctica are probably safer, at least until someone starts extracting the natural resources.
Your point is well taken.  I wish everyone realized understood this.  If we were as worried about getting the mind up as we are getting the dick up, things would probably be much better in this country and the Bush War on Terror would be in the trash bin.  Maybe you should market Mindagra.  I can see the disclaimer: If your thinking last more than four hours, see your DR.

Cyrena, you surely have a knack for getting it right. Thanks for all your comments but today’s are especially enlightening.  I will stay on harping to my state reps no matter how bad things go, and they are pretty bad.  It’s hard to see any movement but it’s the right thing to do and I plan on keeping it up.  Forget about getting to the 25% sheep among us, the rest of us could actually pressure changes in the right direction.  Of course that means getting as much information on our reps and voting on every issue.  Lou Dobbs promotes Indepenent registration, he may be on to something…...

Well, here’s another “distraction”.......

‘USAF struck Syrian nuclear site’ - Nov 2, 2007 -
By JPOST.COM: “The September 6 raid over Syria was carried out by the US Air Force, the Al-Jazeera Web site reported Friday. The Web site quoted Israeli and Arab sources as saying that two US jets armed with tactical nuclear weapons carried out an attack on a suspected nuclear site under construction….. The sources were quoted as saying that Israeli F-15 and F-16 jets provided cover for the US planes. The sources added that each US plane carried one tactical nuclear weapon and that the site was hit by one bomb and was totally destroyed…...” http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1192380718519&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull  and scroll down.

Have any of you read the comments after watching the video.  The comments are under the video grab.

Interesting there are so many people who believe this is a just war and we (the United States) have the right to invade, destroy and occupy a country.

#111195 Voice of truth:
..left leaning activist groups like MoveOn.org and Code Pink are dangerously diverting lawmakers attention away from important national concerns…

Well that’s not really true. The lawmakers have allowed themselves to be distracted.Nobody forced them to listen to what these organizations say.By wasting their energies on anything that comes along is an excuse. These lawmakers show they are undisciplined and unable to keep their collective minds on the topic at hand and to do the job they were elected to do.This simply shows they are not the right people for the job.Do not blame others for the failures,place the blame where it truly belongs,at the feet of these lawmakers.

cyrena,

First, I agree with you on everything except Ron Paul. I would vote for Kucinich. The only problem is he isn’t getting any traction. Oh yes, I like Gravel too, but his so called party brushed him aside. I believe they are the only non-CFR Democratic candidates running.

As far as Ron Paul goes. I don’t know where you got the idea that he is some kind of religious kook as you say or a Near Ender. What has he done or said that would suggest such a position? You seem very well informed, so I assume you have seen his voting record. He stands for freedom - religious and otherwise. He wants to end the war(s), maintain sovereignty by canceling plans for a North American Union, reject the notion that we need a National ID/Real ID card, etc. He is one of the only non-CFR candidates on the Republican side.

Yes, I knew about Iran and Venezuela is on the list too. We already have troops on the ground in Iran. And Hillary Clinton voted to essentially force Bush to invade Iran by labeling part of their army a terrorist organization. As Keith Olbermann says: “Who’s going to stop them? It’s not the ‘Democrats’ or ‘Republicans’. So who?” Well, it’s got to be you and I.

What I didn’t hear was what are you doing today to stop the madness? Talk is great, but I prefer action.

I see two things we can do today:

1) Help Dennis Kucinich start impeachment proceedings of Dick Cheney before Thanksgiving by urging your congressman to vote yes on H.R. 333.

2) Help Ron Paul bring liberty back with H.R. 3835 “The American Freedom Agenda Act of 2007”, which helps to restore the Constitution, by repealing The Military Commissions Act of 2006, reinstating habeas corpus, stopping torture, and bringing back the rule of law. If your familiar with Naomi Wolf, she wholeheartedly supports Ron Paul in his efforts.

Both resolutions are being voted on in this 110th Congress. So if you want help stop the madness and get your liberty back now, we should all probably call our congressmen and get others to vote yes on both measures.

BTW, Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich are good friends and vote the same way on many issues, because they both like to follow the Constitution.

As far as the big office goes, I believe Ron Paul has the best shot, and as the “champion of the Constitution” would restore order and end the fictitious war on terror. In a perfect world, Dennis Kucinich would be his VP.

“left-leaning activist groups like MoveOn.org and Code Pink are dangerously diverting lawmakers’ attentions away from important national concerns “

Actually, he is 100% correct.  And they should be.  This congress is such a joke.  They haven’t actually done anything in the year since they were elected.  Really, think about it.  They’ve talked a lot, they’ve bitched a lot, but they haven’t done anything.  Someone needs to be after them.

#111075 by BlueEagle

BlueEagle,

I’ll agree that we need to look toward the future, and yes, that would in fact include Iran. But in all honesty, I think you’re even a little slow in catching up, because IRAN too, has been part of the original plan in action. You suggest not focusing on Iraq, because it’s a lost cause. Unfortunately, Iraq and Iran have all been part of the same plan, along with the lost of liberty and all of the rest. And yes, it continues to advance, until we can all wake up and do something about it – if it is not too late. Now I wrote extensively on the Iran issue over two years ago. Seymour Hirsch actually kicked it off, with a series of several excellent articles in the New Yorker. So, if you’re just catching on to this, it would be worth reading his stuff.

Meantime, you suggested in an earlier post, that you were concentrating your energies on getting Ron Paul elected. With all due respect (including my agreement that there is little difference between the parties) Ron Paul is clearly NOT the answer. Not unless you want us to just give in to the Near Enders, who are so anxious to embrace the Apocalypse in their own lifetimes. (It’s not happening fast enough for them, so they want to hurry it along).

I’m sorry…that’s just the way it is. R. Paul is simply more of this craziness with the goofy religious stuff, even though his may in fact be ‘genuine’ rather than the phony stuff that the repugs have been working the past 7 years, to brainwash the populace. The point is that we cannot be governed by ANY religious ideology. We were established as a nation that chose to use the rule of law as its form of democratic government – as defined by the Constitution. R.Paul is simply not that, even if he’s a nice guy.We’ve had enough religious kooks, which is partially how we’re in this mess to begin with. Not because the Thugs in DC are genuinely religious, or because the Psychopath-in chief really believes that he communicates with god, (don’t a whole lot of addicts believe that they communicate with god) but rather because so many millions of Americans have fallen for this shit, and now THEY all think they communicate with god as well. And, maybe they do, and maybe that’s OK – for THEM. As long as they aren’t making any legislation, or signing any laws, or Executive Orders, or anything else connected to the government, that’s fine. They should be able to communicate with anybody they want to. 

BUT, when we start mixing up various religious ideologies, and bringing them into the laws of the land, there can only be worse trouble. Therefore, Ron Paul can run for something else if you really like him. BUT, we CANNOT consider him for president, unless everyone has simply given up, and is willing to join the Near Enders, in embracing the end of times. I’m NOT!

The rest of the stuff that you describe as the ‘future’ is already here. And, we have to stop it NOW, ourselves, rather than spend an endless amount of time discussing these candidates, because at this point, they’ve already shown what they’re about. This has been like the “endless campaign” and elections are still a year away. Do we just wait until then to try and stop the damage, basing some or any hope on what we’ve so far heard from this group that has presented themselves as candidates? They’ve had a chance to do something, (at least several of them who are already at least in a position to vote in the house or the senate) and with the exception of Kucinich, they are not the answer either. I mean, how long do they get to change their minds and opinions on things, and play the particular flavor of the day? Gravel is good, but who even gets to hear from him?
If the future is to be, that would mean concentrating on NOW. Stopping the damage! The house is on fire NOW. We have to put out the fire, not wait for it to burn itself out, and us along with it.

It’s either Kucinich or Gravel. Now let’s move on.

#111071 by cyrena on 11/01 at 9:18 pm: “Goody!!! You all make such great comments. That’s always encouraging (at least for me) and especially after an episode from the idiot-psychopath-in-chief…...
Notice the cheering crowd in the ‘audience’...?”

Hi cyrena, and thanks. That kind of audience is concerning as is seems that they can always get flagwavers for starting WW3 - so many stupid people with the privelege of being citizens (denizens) in the world’s richest nation, uhh.

Everyone likes to criticize Bush and that is exactly what they want you to do. Put all your efforts into criticizing the puppet, so you don’t notice the man behind the curtain. Bush is not stupid. He and those around him are smart. Everything is going according to plan. Think about it. He staged a false flag operation and is now able to do whatever he’d like in the name of the war on terror. It’s been done before and will be done again. What you see here is the past. They are 10 steps ahead.

Don’t put your focus on Iraq it’s a lost cause for now. Iran, loss of all liberty & freedom, population controls and a one world government are the present/future. Prepare and take action.

BTW, there is little difference between Democrats and Republicans. The two party system is the CFR/BB/TC party and the non-CFR/BB/TC party. We need to look toward the future.

Goody!!! You all make such great comments. That’s always encouraging (at least for me) and especially after an episode from the idiot-psychopath-in-chief.

Did ya’ll listen to and watch him as he went through this BS? I actually put myself through it twice, just to take in the ‘alerts’ from Fox, pasted so carefully on the screen for the ‘viewers’ to ‘absorb’ as they listen to the idiot READ this bullshit about Osama and all of his alleged al-Qaeda…warning of a further attack. They’ve been holding these pep rallies for months of course, continuing to drag out the boogeyman of ‘OBL” at specially timed intervals.

Notice the cheering crowd in the ‘audience’? Notice the mention of ALL the stuff Congress has ‘no time to do’, such as to deny our great justice department of a great ‘leader’. (that would be the current charade of putting the Torture Approving Muckasey at the head of the Justice Dept) and lets remember that he has also indicated that the President is above the law.

So, this was a standard pep rally to admonish Congress, not to question this continuing overthrow of our entire system, as they put the last pieces into place, and demand yet more money to do it.

And, it’s more than disgusting to listen to a drunk/drug -stoned idiot read this shit to us, with all of the ‘alerts’ carefully acting as subtitles. The site offers that this video makes a disclaimer that it “may be offensive”. Without a doubt, it is, because george bush is OFFENSIVE.

OBL is dead by the way, and there is no way for anybody to ‘identify’ al-Qaeda. They don’t wear uniforms, they don’t carry Al-Qaeda ID cards,  they don’t have a ‘charter’, a clubhouse, a headquarters, etc, etc.  In fact, I’m no longer sure they even exist, IF they ever did, as anything more than a loosely formed group of ideologues associated with a guy who’s probably been dead for at least since 2004, IF NOT LONGER!!

I’m not from Missouri, but I still want the Cheney-Shrub Cabal to SHOW ME some ‘al-Qaeda’s”. Where are they, what to they look like, what language do they speak, how are they funded, how do they live, where do they get their weapons, etc, etc. If they are this big of a ‘threat’, then somebody needs to ‘produce’ some of them, and prove to me that they are ‘al-Qaeda”.  Maybe the liar-in-chief could extract some DNA from them, and use that to prove that they are ‘al-Qaeda”.

Until then, I don’t believe any of this shit. That’s what happens when they try to perpetrate the same collection of lies for so long, without ever coming up with even the slightest bit of proof for any of it. It’s all Wizard of Oz stuff; OBL, al-Qaeda, ‘terrorists’ and the Shrub himself, being the Terrorist-in-Chief!!

I heard the story that our feckless president would not give the order for our special forces to take Osama bin Laden when they had him trapped in a cave in the mountains of Afghanistan. Obviously BushCo did not want him captured or dead. Then they couldn’t use him as a bogeyman for all these years. Remember that Bush is above all else a user. He used our brave men and women and neglected them when wounded in Walter Reed. He completely neglected the poor in New Orleans and lied to them that he would help rebuild. He uses hundreds of billions of our tax money for his war to enrich Eric Prince of Blackwater, Halliburton and KBR and throws crumbs to equip our fighting men and women. He is a low life user. He has been all his life.

The USA certainly must be the most obsessed nation on Earth with its constant drivel about “potential attacks”, uhh. It is sadly ironic given that, geographically, it is the safest nation from attack of anywhere on Earth.

Code Pink didn’t create the Iraq fiasco, Bush did.  Why listen to him?