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Gravel Gets the Shaft

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Posted on Oct 23, 2007
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Former Sen. Mike Gravel’s campaign released this video after the candidate was barred from NBC’s upcoming debate in Philadelphia. Is it just a coincidence that the network is owned by GE, which has a profit incentive for war? Gravel doesn’t seem to think so.

Note: This video begins with a subtitled conversation between Hillary Clinton and John Edwards. We obviously have no idea if the subtitling is accurate, so take it with a grain of salt.

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By lovnhomeschooln, November 3, 2007 at 7:38 am Link to this comment
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Honesty, integrity, experience.  A history of accomplishments and patriotism that puts the other candidates to shame.  A true love for his country and her people.  The guts to speak the truth and stand up for what’s right.  Working to empower the people, not special interest groups, corporations and the military industrial complex.  Wants peace, not war.  All qualities a great president should have - and all the qualities of Sen. Mike Gravel. 
http://www.gravel2008.us
Free America - Gravel ‘08!

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By Petrichoriny, October 26, 2007 at 5:52 pm Link to this comment

Congratulations to Mike Gravel for continuing to tell it like it is. Mike Gravel, you are a true American Hero and will remain my personal choice for Election 2008.

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By boggs, October 26, 2007 at 11:06 am Link to this comment

If Hillary were truly a frontrunner and a voice for the Democrats she would not only welcome but insist on total fairness and inclusivness in the debate for anyone and especially Gravel who speaks out so well against the empirical prowess of the republicans.

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By jake slogan, October 26, 2007 at 10:57 am Link to this comment
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Gravel’s comments in September 2007 on bankruptcy:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=N75sLm0o8kw

As he clearly states, the first bankruptcy in 1980 was for a failed condominium project, the second in 2004 was to finance a national initiative. More disturbing was his claim that he “stuck it” (the bill) to the credit card companies and that “they deserved it”. Now, regardless of how we all feel about the snake-oil selling that is credit card promotion, a comment like this, combined with his later reframing of the “true” story, sends up a big red flag for me.

Get real, other than some essential truth-telling and animated one-liners that most of us agree with, what kind of president will Gravel be? If honesty is the litmus test you place on a candidate, how does Gravel meet the standard when he can’t even take responsibility for his own debts? Sure, we hate credit card companies because they lie, cheat, and steal, but does that justify “sticking it” to them because, I don’t know, they’re sticking it to you? A more mature way to handle this would be to contact your congressman, let them know that credit card companies are putting unreasonable demands on you, and work out a solution. Apparently, that’s not how Gravel operates.

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By jake slogan, October 26, 2007 at 10:32 am Link to this comment
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Gravel plainly stated in the debate that the reason he rode up his credit card debt was to fund a public initiative, not for health reasons, so I’m not sure what his apologists are referring to - his public comments belie whatever later reason he might have given. This is not the point, however. He said it was basically a badge of pride to “stick it” to the credit card company. Regardless of predatory lending practices, campus infiltration, and the like, no person running for the highest office in the land can use these instances as a justification for neglecting their obligation to pay debts. Had he talked about how he personally experienced the pitfalls of credit card shenanigans and then proposed how we address the issue, that would have been constructive, but being the sour old grouch that he is, as is the case with his entire career, it’s always someone else’s problem.

As I said previously, we can all nod our collective heads and agree with Gravel that Washington is corrupt and the two parties collude with private interests to the detriment of most Americans, but is that a policy agenda? I don’t think so. It’s the same deal with Ron Paul - we nod our heads when he talks about the boondoggle in Iraq, but he doesn’t believe government’s role should extend beyond encouraging free market capitalism, unencumbered by messy things like public education, highways, Social Security, and health care. When asked for specifics, all we get are vague allusions to corruption, cronyism, and “politics as usual”. This far along in our common recognition of these well-publicized facts, I’m ready for a leader who tells us something we don’t know, and presents a plan on how to move forward. Gravel and Paul, they’re living in the past, and have no shame in staying there and no hope of looking ahead.

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By Freedomfinder, October 26, 2007 at 5:11 am Link to this comment

I will vote for Gravel although I know that he wont win then I will vote for Cynthia McKinney and she had better win or I am off to Greece where they have over 200 parties to choose from!

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By Adrian, October 25, 2007 at 7:46 pm Link to this comment
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Gravel went into credit card debt trying to pay for a serious health issue he had.

Who is going to be more likely to change health care - Gravel, who got shafted by our shitty medical system - or hillary or obama, both who are only behind mitt romney with the amount of money they take from pharmaceutical companies?

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By don knutsen, October 25, 2007 at 11:32 am Link to this comment

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#109318 by jake slogan
Sen. Gravel is a joke, a “mad as hell” grumpy old man who believes that it’s OK to “shaft” credit card companies on the debt he accumulated several years ago. Sorry, but in my book, someone who thinks this way is not qualified to set the tone for badly needed economic expansion in our country.

Jake,
Have you been living in a cave these past years ? My son has been getting credit card offers since he was 12 years old in the mail. The banks have been engaging in predatory lending practices for some years now. Offering low introductory rates on APR loans, and once they have people hooked cranking up the rates far higher, some to the point of what used to be referred to as loan-sharking. Then thru their massive lobby effort they got the politicians to make it almost impossible to file for bankruptsy, siding with the banking industry. I remember 20 years ago having to jump thru hoops to even get a credit card. Now, as soon as your in debt the card offers come flooding in to help you dig yourseld even deeper. This kind of preditory practice needs badly to be regulated, but thanks to Saint Reagan, even the mention of regulation is still to be unspoken, all the while the banking and insurance industry continue to scew over the american people.

Gravel and Kucinich are the only two candidates for the dem.s that are willing to even address this. Most of the rest are receiving $ to keep quite. In the end everyone wins except the thousands who were entrapped by the bank loans themselves. Before you bash Gravel, you ought to atleast take the time to educate yourself alittle bit.

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By jake slogan, October 24, 2007 at 12:35 pm Link to this comment
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Sen. Gravel is a joke, a “mad as hell” grumpy old man who believes that it’s OK to “shaft” credit card companies on the debt he accumulated several years ago. Sorry, but in my book, someone who thinks this way is not qualified to set the tone for badly needed economic expansion in our country. His “anti-establishment” rants are played, too. Government is dysfunctional, it only looks out for big special interests, the Dems are no different from the Repubs, blah, blah, blah. Anyone who believes that even a DLC candidate like Hillary is no different than Bushco, Inc., or any of the Repub front-runners pays no serious attention to politics or policy. We might still hold our noses at the tactics, but when it comes down to brass tacks, it’s what each party EMPHASIZES as it’s policy vision that counts. I’ve seen nothing from Gravel, and little from Kucinich, that suggests they have a broad view of changing the nation’s course.

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By loveinatub, October 24, 2007 at 11:56 am Link to this comment

Another candidate for president occluded from the debates because they are not part of the “millionaires” club. That’s American democracy for you at its finest!

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By Bill Blackolive, October 24, 2007 at 10:06 am Link to this comment
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Will Gravel and Kucinich and Paul tell of this government’s cover-up of 9/11.  What have they to lose.  Death threats to family.  Too bad, they are this freaked.

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By C Quil, October 24, 2007 at 9:47 am Link to this comment

Mike Gravel actually got to present his views for more than thirty seconds or so on News Hour on PBS. He said it was the only time he could speak at length on a national program. What can I say? He was great.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/july-dec07/gravel_10-01.html

As is Kucinich.

Why is everyone looking for a Messiah - an Obama with his stage performances or Hillary, who would probably eviscerate you as soon as look at you?

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By Conservative Yankee, October 24, 2007 at 7:58 am Link to this comment
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“The Republic will fail, as soon as ‘the people’find they can vote themselves money”

Ben Franklin

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By Douglas Chalmers, October 23, 2007 at 9:17 pm Link to this comment

“...Note: This video begins with a subtitled conversation between Hillary Clinton and John Edwards. We obviously have no idea if the subtitling is accurate, so take it with a grain of salt….”

The subtitles look dubious and, being titled by Fox, it is most probably a setup to justify their own little game.

Its about time that the senators used their immunity to individually attack corporations which support warmongering and the media which go along with it. Whack’em back, Gravel!

An important point which Truthdig has failed to address recently is Lieberman’s part in this as he holds the balance of power in the senate. He is the ‘dog in the manger’.....

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By jbart, October 23, 2007 at 5:20 pm Link to this comment
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Gravel MUST be allowed to speak in the debate(s). Other than Kucinch, he’s all we got as a voice.  Write/e-mail whyoever.  He HAS to be part of the discussions &/or debate ??

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By samuel burke, October 23, 2007 at 2:44 pm Link to this comment
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take it with a grain of salt???

america is at risk of loosing her republic, this isnt just a tempest that will pass.
krushev was right.
elevate the debate.

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