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Posted on Oct 1, 2007
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The former president calls BS on the Republicans for their “feigned outrage” over MoveOn’s “General Betray Us” ad: “Come on, these Republicans that are all upset about Petraeus ... these are the people that ran a television ad in Georgia with Max Cleland, who lost half his body in Vietnam, in the same ad with Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. ... And the person that rode to the Senate on that ad was there voting to condemn the Democrats over the Petraeus ad.”

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By boggs, October 8, 2007 at 2:28 pm Link to this comment

Please don’t be fooled by the charm and quick wit of Bill and Hilary.
They will represent Israel and will attack Iran if necessary to appease the Jews.
You won’t notice much difference from the Bush in the whitehouse, their policies are pretty much the same, except that Hilary will give the Insurance companies their windfall in the new Hilary Health plan, and the ‘free trade agreements will flourish’.

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By rage, October 3, 2007 at 12:57 pm Link to this comment
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“As much as I admire Dennis Kucinich, I don’t think there is any way in hell he could ever be elected and RICHARDSON?  You’ve got to be joking.  You must really like to read your own stuff to write so much that says so little.”
ribbie on 10/02 at 8:11 pm

Yeah, okay. So, let you tell it, only the over supported centrist hacks who have carried as much Dumya water as Republicans can win the Democaratic nomination for the Presidency. All the more reason why we’ll end up with one of the top four dogs from the Democratic Kennel. I absolutely refuse to be limited by the propagandists in the infotainement world to the choice of a shrill cackling former Golderwater girl, an indecisive rock star and author, an idiot who thinks the rock star is clean and articulate, and a southern lawyer with a $400 haircut, who’ll proabably be chosen by the DNC to rep the party in November 2008. Anywho, I still support Kucinich and Richardson, since I do get a say in this thing. Even if my choice isn’t elected in the primary, I still have the option to write in Kucinich and have it count, so long as I spell his name correctly. Since the bastards still haven’t legally taken away the vote, we can ALL still vote for whomever we please, all ‘their’ coersive predictions be damned. I am never going to roll over and let the media make that decision for me, using a bunch of phony polls and celebrity hype for the candidate these propagandists have largely invented, wagging the damned dog at a brand new level. Again, Kucinich and Richardson in 2008! DEATH TO SHILLARY THE CACKLING CORPORATE TOOL!!!!

No doubt Big Dog was definitely a much better President than Dumya Dipstick. I certainly agree with his assessment of this unconcsienable right-winged hypocrisy and ineptidute. Big Dog is most certainly RIGHT. This mangy bunch of power-lustful greedy incompetents is no longer the Republican Party of Abe Lincoln, and needs to go the way of the Whigs. Back to Big Dog though, the guy is getting to be like bin Laden with these conveniently timed appearances. We could use his progressive presenence and liberal voice in righteous opposition to Dumya Antics ALL THE TIME, not just when Shillary has dropped the ball in a debate or stands to lose the quarterly huge donor money wars. Screw Shillary!

Kucinich and Richardson in 2008!

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By joey, October 3, 2007 at 6:46 am Link to this comment
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The Art of Swiftboating   Karl’s specialty
How to make a few well placed people seem like a mob of thousands. Remember how a small violent mob raided the Florida vote count and changed the election. Mov on got ran over by a toy 18 wheeler.

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By Fools on the Hill, October 3, 2007 at 6:23 am Link to this comment
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I’m shocked that from a long list of things Bill could be outraged about it comes down to the republican’s non-binding BS over an ad.  I mean we have dirty skies that are killing Americans,  Bush’s failed wars that are a bloody mess, nothing done on Global Warming, floating dead in New Orleans, fiscal irresponsibility,  millions without health care.  All the while, Bill has sat quietly and even has been seen boating with papa Bush.

Can we really afford eight years more of Slick’s silly BS and Hilllary’s cackling?

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By Paracelsus, October 3, 2007 at 3:19 am Link to this comment

Torture like Jack Bauer’s would be OK, Bill Clinton says

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Monday, October 1st 2007, 4:00 AM

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WASHINGTON - What the nation needs is some good Jack Bauer agents, says Bill Clinton.

Bill and Hillary Clinton apparently no longer think torture has a place in U.S. policy, but Bubba sure hopes a “24”-style cowboy steps up if someone ever nabs a terrorist who knows a bomb is about to blow.

“If you’re the Jack Bauer person, you’ll do whatever you do and you should be prepared to take the consequences,” Bill Clinton said yesterday.

In Fox’s hit show “24,” actor Kiefer Sutherland’s character Jack Bauer is regularly confronted with the ticking-time bomb scenario - and makes his own rules about how to save the country.

Pointing to the show, Clinton argued on NBC’s “Meet the Press” it was better that way because any law that approved torture could be abused.

“If you have any kind of a formal exception, people just drive a truck through it, and they’ll say, ‘Well, I thought it was covered by the exception,’” Clinton said.

“When Bauer goes out there on his own and is prepared to live with the consequences, it always seems to work better,” he said.

In the past, the Clintons had been in favor of some sort of legal authority to torture in just those rare cases, but Hillary announced in last week’s Democratic debate that she changed her mind.

In addition to discussing torture, the former President also expanded on the role he might play in a second Clinton administration, beyond being ambassador to the world.

“I should be available to help her with specific foreign problems, like she said, and maybe to help promote the domestic agenda - go around the country and help promote it,” he said.

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Why would Truthdig ever want to publish anything nice about this guy? Everything from turning the coroners of Arkansas into rubber stampers of suicides to the DU bombings of Yugoslavia to the democide of Iraq shows me he is a criminal. Now he approves of torture. I don’t understand it. Aren’t you afraid Gore Vidal is going to give you a stern lecture?

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By ribbie, October 2, 2007 at 9:11 pm Link to this comment

Dear rage,
By “growing a pair” I did not mean calling the leading democratic candidate and our ex-president stupid, childish names.  You demean yourself more than those you apply such moronic labels to.  I’m sorry if President Clinton was a little too moderate for you, but what good are radical politics if you can’t get elected by espousing them.  After what we have gone through for the past 7 years, I want a democratic candidate who can WIN. As much as I admire Dennis Kucinich, I don’t think there is any way in hell he could ever be elected and RICHARDSON?  You’ve got to be joking.  You must really like to read your own stuff to write so much that says so little.

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By Mariam Russell, October 2, 2007 at 5:43 pm Link to this comment
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This guy is GOOD.

Do any of you mourn the loss of Bill? Think of what he might have accomplished if he had not bought into the “Elites Need To Rule The World” BS and really come out on the side of rule by and for the people?

I suppose it is harder to resist if you have never been rich and powerful, then get a chance to be both…...and get to hob nob with the really rich and powerful. Oh, well! Had he not joined their Tri lateral Commission and bought into the BS he probably would not have run for president, much been elected. Too bad. We lost a good one.

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By rage, October 2, 2007 at 4:19 pm Link to this comment
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“President Clinton has nailed the hypocrisy of the right in a manner that should serve as an example to all his fellow Democrats.  It’s time to grow a pair.”
ribbie on 10/02 at 11:13 am

I firmly agree, starting with Shillary his immortal beloved who has been carrying Dumya’s water much to our vexed consternation. I don’t doubt that Big Dog did nail the hypocrisy of the right. However, this contentious hypocrisy is old news. Furthermore, it’s a situation that has enjoyed Shillary’s unwavering Senatoral support for perpetual continuity and funding for the greater part of her short tenure. Chastisement, like charity, ought to begin at home.

The one person who has been consistently pointing out this right wing rhetoric of fearmongering, hegemony, and imperial conquest for what it is has not been virtually ignored by the main stream - yes, Dennis Kucinich of KUCINICH AND RICHARDSON 2008. Some politicians really have had their money where there mouths are all along. So, Big Dog gets no dap on this. At some point, Bill needed to stop sandbagging for Shillary, to host this broadcast pep rally sooner. Much sooner! Big Dog needed to have weiged in with this rant just to get all the Dems strategically on one page so as to be able to accomplish something more than their 11% approval rating. Instead, Big Dog was out helping Poppy feel up Terry Hatcher in a parking lot photo op.

I know he doesn’t want to give the impression that he is vicariously campaigning for President through Shillary, even though he’s pushing for her victory. Still, if he really wanted to give the impression that he is still a Democrat, peeved by what Dumya has done to the country, and not on the same Dumya-supporting page as Shillary, Big Dog would get out there and host these sorts of pep rallies more often, not just when Shillary is in jeopardy of losing the money race to Barak Obama.

Kucinch and Richardson in 2008!

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By sharon ash, October 2, 2007 at 12:17 pm Link to this comment
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And, while Rome burns we debate who can come up with the most biting remarks???  We have huge problems in our country and the Republican are largely responsible for the current mess.  The objective should be, to be on the ground registering voters, talking about solving problems and making sure that every Republican in America is voted from office.

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By ribbie, October 2, 2007 at 12:13 pm Link to this comment

Petraeus echoed the statements in 2004 that “the insurgency is on the run”.  Why should we believe him now?  Why is it verboten to question his veracity in light of his previous testimony?  No one has questioned the SUBSTANCE of the MoveOn.org ad…the Republicans keep changing the subject to deal with the headline itself. 
President Clinton has nailed the hypocrisy of the right in a manner that should serve as an example to all his fellow Democrats.  It’s time to grow a pair.

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By Inherit The Wind, October 2, 2007 at 11:23 am Link to this comment
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Despite the fact-ignoring rants from “Only Fooled By Rethuglicans” and “Rant/Rave”, Bill Clinton is right on! Again!

And the critics of the spineless Demowimps in Congress are right too!  You can’t lead by looking weak and wimpy and without conviction—that is NOT why we voted them into office!  If every damn Democrat in the House and Senate would grow a backbone and start talking and ACTING like Bill C, there’d be NO WAY Bush&Co;could go on with their fascist, deadly bullshit.

Get into the Rethugs faces. Get into President Mussolini’s face! Let them rant and rave and veto, but stop giving in to their crap, dammit!

You think Americans wouldn’t get passionate about the Democrats again?  They are just WAITING for the Dems to show some guts, some backbone and some LEADERSHIP, and then they will FLOCK to throwing the corrupt, fascist bums out!

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By rage, October 2, 2007 at 10:07 am Link to this comment
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“Focus on whether the remarks are true rather than being guided by some grievance against the man, at the expense of what is being said.”
#103975 by PatP on 10/02 at 2:39 am

No one is saying Big Dog is lying. I’m calling this rascal out for being rather disengneuous, though.

Where was he back when John Kerry was being swiftboated? Why wasn’t he this vocal back when Max Cleland was getting the heat of that malicious Repug shelling? All these points existed practically unacknowledged by everyone but the victims. In Kerry’s case, this disgrace of hypocricy was even swept under the rug by the victim. The only thing Clinton answered was Chris Wallace in a Sunday Morning Smack-Down, for which I praised Big Dog.

That was then. This is now. Big Dog hasn’t even responded to Dumya’s accusations that all Administration43’s inept woes are Clinton’s fault. Big Dog is practically in bed with the right side of centrist conservatism. Why is that? Why has he spent so much time running around with Poppy Bush? What’s up with this newfound freindship he boasts with his one time nemesis Newt Gingrich, who shut down Clinton’s government during a Senate tantrum? That wouldn’t have anything to do with Shillary running for the Oval office, would it?

I’ll venture to even conjecture that Big Dog is only venting his righteous indignation now at the behest of the DNC, who is patiently enduring Shillary’s turkey of a campaign on their ticket. I’m sure they’ve reminded Big Dog that the committee has yet to anoint a candidate, a winner who doesn’t necessarily have to be his cackling Chipmunk. Just ask Howard ‘Hissy Fit’ Dean. He, too, polled on top. He was presummably the choice of the voters, but, subsequently not the choice of the DNC when the dust settled.

The DNC wants to win big this year, while they can still take advantage of a Democratic majority in both Senate and Congress. The DNC realizes that, with craven numbskulls like Pelosi and Reid at the helm, that optimal majority condition can easily change at midterm 2010. The Dems have a pretty decent field of candidates from which to choose, quite a few of whom are much more qualified and experienced than Shillary.

Meanwhile, the Repugs want Shillary to be the Democratic Candidate because they see her as easily beatable by any of their fascist pinheads or Ron Paul. Yes, that’s illogical, but neither impossible nor improbable. Think about it: Shillary is only equally as fit, with less experience than all the Repugs, save Dame Edna Guilliani. These merciless fiends aren’t particularly impressed with her having been Big Dog’s first mate during the Monica years. This bunch assailed McCain for adopting a foreign-born non-white child, and being married to a woman suffering depression, for taking her prescribed medication. The Repugs plan to ensure that Shillary’s novelty media appeal has completely morphed horrifically into the loathe one feels for a hostile churlish rabid hyena. In this video clip, Big Dog is just letting the world know he knows his cackling Chipmuck will need all the help he can give her, if she’s going to make it alive past the first couple primary elections.

Statitical data gathered from infotainment polls can be twisted to make Ahmadinejad the Repug top dog, with enough speed dialers and high speed web voters. Just watch American Idol. For all we know, a bunch of Rovian collegiate neo-whigs on keg benders could be responsible for Shillary’s poll success. Here, Big Dog is out there sand bagging for the coming deluge more than he’s ranting against an injustice.

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By Mudwollow, October 2, 2007 at 9:52 am Link to this comment

#103919 by jumpy on 10/01 at 7:41 pm
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Q: “Why aren’t more elected Democrats saying exactly what Bill Clinton is saying?  Why aren’t more elected Democrats taking every last bit of shameful slander spewed by the conservatives over the past 8 years and throwing back in their faces right now as proof of their exploiting American’s patriotism and love for our soldiers for cheap political.”???


A: “The Democrats are pathetic for meekly accepting it.”

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By PatP, October 2, 2007 at 9:51 am Link to this comment

I hear what is being said about fighting and partly agree but there is something else at play here, assuming that the average American does not mistake our political discourse for comedic championship wrestling.

It is reflected in Congressional approval ratings and low approval might not be exclusively due to the perception of one side fighting and the other laying down. Might it have something to do with childish, disengenuous and thinly transparent bickering before an audience…the American public?

When we demand more of them we’ll get more of them. Maybe the voting public are the ones who are slow. Maybe we’ll gather our wits…turn out in greater numbers once we’ve put the humiliation of Iraq behind us. At least it is only a collective American humiliation. For Iraqis it is much worse.

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By mary, October 2, 2007 at 8:59 am Link to this comment

RE: #103926-rage, Your post made me LOL—and of course you are right on. I’m not a big fan of Sen Clinton but she still is better than what we’ve got now.  Maybe we would be better served if we demanded the NEWS report facts and not promote the candidates they want to see run for election.  I need to add Sen Clinton to my daily fax list.  Let’s face it, just to get this far, one has to be a little sleezy, however, I do believe they all get a little nervous when forced to hear the drum beat.  The only thing harder to swallow is how pathetic the Dems look and act.  We deserve better, or do we….......

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By don knutsen, October 2, 2007 at 6:52 am Link to this comment

Seems many of the comments are from people who fall in the category of buying into all the hate sold by the GOP….who were unsuccessfull in impeaching him in the senate but stood by and enabled one fiasco of a policy after the other since under bu$h.
Clinton points out an obvious hypocracy, and it is something more democrats should be pointing out.It is a shame that the dem.s seem to have very little backbone. But you didn’t see this on a major network broadcast did you, where it belongs, it was on a web site…and that is the only place you can get at a glimpse of the truth anymore. 
Apparently there are still plenty of Clinton haters out there. Most of whom voted for this current administration and still get most of their information via FOX & Rush Limbaugh. Once in awhile one of them pulls their head outa the ground, shakes the dirt outa their ears and starts paying attention to whats going on.

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By PatP, October 2, 2007 at 3:39 am Link to this comment

Focus on whether the remarks are true rather than being guided by some grievance against the man, at the expense of what is being said.

We are still allowed to think and consider the statements. What kind of mental constipation dismisses the ideas because of who uttered them.

Jeez, I even listen to Rush Limbaugh but when I add that he continually disappoints it does have everything to do with truth and deception inherent in his words. It is not false because Rush said it.

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By Thomas Billis, October 2, 2007 at 3:37 am Link to this comment
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The Democrats are not looking for Bill Clinton but they are hungry for someone who can go toe to toe.I offer that Bill Clinton going on Fox with Chris Wallace was certainly a factor in the 06 election results.If you cannot fight the Republicans how would one expect you to fight America’s other enemies.In the short run by giving into Pres Bush and trying to make this war his sounds good but the democrats will find that in the long run not fighting for what you believe in will cost them.I am reminded of the Republicans using the wag the dog analogy when we really did have a coalition trying to offer some relief to the people of Kosovo.The way they fought in the short run looked bad but it got them the White House in 2000.People like fighters.

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By sully, October 2, 2007 at 3:18 am Link to this comment
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I think the point here is that they only honor those veterans who agree with them. Otherwise, they are traitors and get lumped in with the worst scum they can attach them to. Move-on puts up an add that suggests a General might have reported the president’s bidding and sidestepped the truth, and they’re accused of attacking the honorable troops.  Your post is a perfect example of what Bill was talking about. You probably honor those who agree with you, and hate those that don’t, with the irony being that such a hypocrisy flies in the face of what all of them fought for. If you need help understanding irony, try this.  Republicans claim to support the troops. They also love privatization. Right now we see rabid privatization of the military.  So the IRONY is that they are dessimating that which they claim to love. They also love to cut benefits like VA and retiree care—not to mention active duty benefits. How do I know this? I’m on active duty…

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By patpattillo@speakeasy.net, October 2, 2007 at 2:44 am Link to this comment
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All ad hominem, NotFooled? Nary a word about the facts? Clinton cites facts and you can’t seem to get past that because of who he is.

A little distracted, aren’t you? Bill’s not the story and everything he said was known to be true.

Get over it.

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By Don Stivers, October 1, 2007 at 9:55 pm Link to this comment

So Not Fooled, what about Max Cleland?

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By rage, October 1, 2007 at 9:34 pm Link to this comment
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He’s just trying to keep the name Clinton on everyone’s mind. But, we’re no longer buying that.

It would have been awfully nice if Shillary had really moved a few Adirondacks and walked on a least the Hudson Bay before she decided to pitch her cleavage into the ring to contend for the Presidency. Everything here for which Big Dog is feigning such righteous indignation is everything the voters have wanted to hear from Hillary for the last six years. We’ve watched her in vexed dismay aid Captain Decider Guy in accomplishing the ridiculous mission of dangerously rearranging the deck chairs on this titanically doomed ship of state. She should still be strangling Dame Edna Guilliani with his mauve feather boa for moving the city emergency response center into Building 7, since she served in the Executive Branch of the 42nd Presidency as First Lady in 1993 when the WTC was attacked the first time. Instead, she’s developed a hideous cackle that makes me want to strangle her with Dame Edna Guilliani’s feather boa, just to prevent further cerebral hemorrhaging through my ears.

Had Shillary firmly developed and STUCK TO a strong campaign platform that critically distinguished her from Bill’s new centrist conservative buddies, she wouldn’t have to desperately resort to shamelessly bludgeoning Big Dog with naked guilt to painfully extract his pitiful half-hearted endorsements of her blatant, mendacious mediocrity. But, alas, she’s paying the penalty for having decided to run as a jackass in an elephant suit. As should be expected, Shillary’s turkey of a run has probably jumped up as high as it cautiously can ascend without risking the irksome potential of politically irreversible injury. The bottom line is that this turkey is underweight and under nourished.

America needed Shillary to demonstrate political and governing PROWESS beyond her perfected ability to thoroughly exploit her delicate connections to the 42nd Presidency during her Senate tenure. As it is, she’s about worked that former First Lady trick pony to the front door of the glue factory. If eight years as First Lady to Big Dog is her whole raisonetted snicker doodle, she deserves to be done. Bill claims old girl will be a tremendous policy making decider. Well, America really can’t tell. She needs to be out front on her platform PROVING SHE IS THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, not just another ambitious skirt able to get money and exposure. Right now, though, America doesn’t seriously believe Bill is even convinced Hillary is the next President.  So, his righteous indignation here is needlessly over the top.

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By Jacob Freeze, October 1, 2007 at 9:25 pm Link to this comment
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Clinton got this exactly right, and if the Senate Democrats had been smart enough to make the same argument, the headlines might be more like…

Senate Condemns Halliburton for Poisoning Marines

If the Senate really wanted to condemn abuse of our brave soldiers, this story was a very good reason to condemn real criminals for a real crime.

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By jumpy, October 1, 2007 at 8:41 pm Link to this comment
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Not Fooled, he does address the issue directly.  You on the other hand ignore what he says to slander him for your take on his presentation.

He’s right.  It’s gross hypocrisy and political opportunism by conservatives.  The only thing sadder than all the hysteria by the repubs over this farce is the pathetic spinelessness of the dems in folding to it and not actively countering it.

Why aren’t more elected Democrats saying exactly what Bill Clinton is saying?  Why aren’t more elected Democrats taking every last bit of shameful slander spewed by the conservatives over the past 8 years and throwing back in their faces right now as proof of their exploiting American’s patriotism and love for our soldiers for cheap political.

The conservative movement is grotesque because it does things like this.  The Democrats are pathetic for meekly accepting it.

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By Not Fooled, October 1, 2007 at 7:21 pm Link to this comment
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I call BS on Bill quite frankly i mean does anyone actually belief this guy? His newfound Voodoo Doctor acting skills combined with not addressing the issues equals soap opera time for me. People really watch his eyes he’s full of it.

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