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Feingold Sheds the Kid Gloves

Posted on Sep 11, 2007

Sen. Russ Feingold didn’t wait long after the obligatory declaration of respect to lay into Gen. David Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker during Tuesday’s testimony before the Senate. One particularly contentious moment occurred after the senator asked, “When can we expect the troop deaths to decline in Iraq?”

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By sully, September 15, 2007 at 10:48 am Link to this comment
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I’m currently deployed with the military right now for a mission I never agreed with.  Been a challenge, to say the least, but that’s not what concerns me. I think everyone is thinking in 20th century, one-dimensional terms here.  Have you ever heard Mao Tse Tung’s saying “Fire in the east, storm in the west?”  In 2005, GW agreed to the “Security and Prosperity Partnership” (SPP) for North America.  All without a whisper.  Ask yourselves why a president, with poll numbers in the toilet, who faces a legacy billed as “the worst president in history,” and who gladly stood under a “Mission Accomplished” banner, has not touted his great domestic success if it were benign? They aren’t going to “take the Constitution away.” That would set off a second American Revolution.  They are going to subordinate it.  The right wing calls it The North American Union and along with Lou Dobbs, they’ve been all over it. Although their (Neo Cons) primary concern seems to be the migration of Mexicans, though. Oddly enough, I agree with many of their concerns. My concern is that this could be the mechanism that drives the subordination of the Constitution and completes the marriage between the government and private sectors.  All that needs to happen is to form a “coordinating committee” that begins setting policy for us all. It is unelected and devoid of any mechanism for greivance redress.  We wouldn’t even need to know who they are.  To date, no press has been allowed to attend these “coordination meetings” between big business and Gov reps of the 3 nations. There would never need to be any offical “moment” where we all find ourselves in a government driven police state. The private sector can accomplish it for them.  All government needs to do is be the enforcement arm of a hybrid system between the business and public sectors. By this, I mean a system where all of the data being collected by the private sector gets fed into a cetral location. Forget locking us up. All they need to do is delete us, turn us into criminals, and then take care of us. They’re already doing it in some sectors. Once that marriage is complete, its over. The only way to communicate will be through the mail.  The good news, and I know no one wants to hear this, is that this is an issue that if it were to be ligitimized in the mainstream media, could unite the entire country again.

What is their real agenda while we’re all focused on Iraq?  Remember everyone.  Always check your flank…

Keep up the fight!

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By Robert Stevens, September 14, 2007 at 3:27 pm Link to this comment
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One issue that is of paramount importance:

What is being done anywhere in the Congress to ensure that this Greg Stillson in the White House does not start a (possibly nuclear) war with Iran?

These war chants from Bush, Lieberman and company lead me to fear that the already drawn up plans will be carried out by this psychopath in the WH.

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By boggs, September 13, 2007 at 1:24 pm Link to this comment

Your message gets lost in your use of the English language!
A new vocabulary might help you express your frustrations!

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By THOMAS BILLIS, September 13, 2007 at 7:03 am Link to this comment
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The only thing missing at this “grilling"was Ethel Merman singing “Everythings Coming Up Roses"in the background and tea service.I wonder if the “grilling"would have had more teeth in it if each of the Senator’s reserve units were being called up.Since Petraeus is now titular head of the government now how come no questions on what we should do with social security.
I have mentioned this before in previous comments.How come in order to find out what is happening in the Iraq government the only people who appear before Congress are Bush’s lackies.Why not an Iraqi member of parliament.If I want to find about Israel I do not ask the Brazilian ambassador.I know what our chimpanzee of a President wants what does that “sovereign” country of Iraq want.
Where were the questions of corruption in the Iraqi government?It seems the only part of Democracy the Iraqi’s seem to embrace is the corruption part.The good thing is they have eliminated the middle man.No bridges to nowhere in Iraq they just steal the cash.
By the way to all the pundits who think the betrayus ad is over the top maybe if before the war you had called a spade a spade we might not be where we are today..Calling Petraeus betrayus is the truth.He is an administration lackey who is betraying his country in Iraq just as Westmoreland betrayed his in Vietnam.Maybe if you so called pundits were not so interested in access and more interested in the truth you might actually earn an Ed R Murrow award.

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By mary, September 12, 2007 at 1:55 pm Link to this comment

Too little, too late….

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By chris in sacto, September 12, 2007 at 11:47 am Link to this comment
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Petraeus is dishonest.  He said troop deaths were down in June and higher in August due to 2 helicopter crashes, as if flying around in a helicopter in Iraq by our troops isn’t supposed to be counted.  In fact, he characterized them as “non combat related” deaths.  This is how Petreaus and BushCo cook the books and play with stats.  Those deceased troops in helicopters would not be subject to crashing if they weren’t flying around in Iraq now would they?  A troop death is a death, even if they’re sitting in chow hall.

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By cyrena, September 12, 2007 at 10:50 am Link to this comment

You’re correct Ernest, and I should have clarified that…. while they would surely like to have their reign extended forever, I think they’ve been smart enough to cover their asses for that possibility (like you said) of them looking at war crimes and crimes against humanity if and when we might actually be able to do something about them.

I am aware of the new rules and executive orders though, and just looking at Chertoff should scare anybody. But, only if they pay attention.

I’m trying to figure out some contingency plans now, as you warned me to do some time back.

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By cann4ing, September 12, 2007 at 8:07 am Link to this comment

Cyrena, Don’t be so confident that “their reign will end at some point.”  There are now executive orders in place that would permit the President to declare a “national emergency” in the event of a new “terrorist incident” on U.S. soil. The judicial coup in 2000 may have been the hard-right’s first strike against our constitutional democracy.  The putch in 2008 may be the final blow, an event that portends the end of the Republic as we know it—a potentiality, the chances of which are enhanced both by the ruthlessness of Dick Cheney and David Addington as well as by their realization that an end to their reign and a restoration of the rule of law could lead to their being prosecuted for war crimes and crimes against humanity.

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By Howard, September 12, 2007 at 4:06 am Link to this comment

Nice going Senator Feingold! Don’t pay any attention, Senator, to the writers here who bring the ‘Israelis’ into this lovely article.  Imagine.
Like every essay on this site. Their fixation is noteworthy. Bring it up on any and every topic.
Israel is the free country in a region dominated by Araab monarchies, theocracies and dictatorships. It is only the citizens of Israel—Arabs and Jews alike—who enjoy the right to express their views, to criticize their government, to form political parties, to publish private newspapers, to hold free elections.  When arab suthorities deny the most basic freedoms to their own people, it is obscene for them to start claiming that Israel is violating the Palestinians’ rights.  All arab citizens who are genuinely concerned with human rights should,as their very first action, seek to oust their own despotic rulers and adopt the type of free socity that characterizes Israel.

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By Donovan, September 12, 2007 at 2:48 am Link to this comment
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“Feingold Sheds the Kid Gloves - to reveal his Kid hands and crossed fingers. Just another rat politico.”

That summarizes what I immediately thought when I read Truth Dig’s headline “Feingold Sheds the Kid Gloves.”  Truth Dig has become weak and hypocritical; it is severely failing at drilling beneath the headlines.

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By weather, September 12, 2007 at 2:35 am Link to this comment

Don’t listen to the words, just follow the music.

If Mr. Feingold were even remotely authentic, he’d have asked the good General why and how an Israeli was ever put in charge of the ‘books’ at the Pentagon - and why the General now before Congress has had so many before him for a ‘mission accomplished’?
Schwartzkopf at least lent continuity because the buyin was broad and seemingly justified, this theft of Oil and pipeline to Israel project is an indeliable, dark disgrace, so Ugly by design and script, it scares Stephen King.

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By cyrena, September 12, 2007 at 12:39 am Link to this comment

Ernest Canning (99904)

•  “(Of course “if” the Bush administration was complicit, this would have meant bringing themselves before the bar of justice).”

That’s why it would never have happened. That’s why this administration bowed us out of participation in the Int’l Criminal Court. This is why they’ve changed or ignored all other domestic and int’l law. They know their reign will end at some point, and they’ll be just as open to accountability as Pinochet and a few others that were eventually tracked down. That’s why they’ve NOT been dealing with the UN. It would be like criminals setting-up their club house in the parking lot of the police station.

•  ...“has served as justification for a major assault on the separation of powers, civil liberties, NSA domestic spying, massive increases in the military budget, extraordinary renditions, torture and, of course, as a false premise for first invading and now remaining in Iraq.”...

And, it’s still working. It reminds me of an episode 2 years ago, when the federal air marshals shot dead an unarmed passenger in the Miami airport. I was mortified. In discussing my horror, shock, and overall dismay at this, a kindly neighbor responded that it was a shame, but that she understood these things would happen, because it’s simply a matter of “National Security”.

In 27 years of working at the nations’ largest airports, I encountered a Federal Air Marshal, (in the course of my duties), MAYBE six times. They never had to shoot anybody. Matter of fact, we never had one single domestic terror incident, in all of those years. Imagine that.

•  “It is a major disappointment that a Russ Feingold can’t see that.”

I agree. He’s fallen for the “war on terror”. It’s disappointing, but he’s not the only one. I think the bigger disappointment is that with the antics of 9-11, and all that has followed, there now really IS a larger global terrorism threat then there was before. (wasn’t it him who asked about al-Qaeda in the Maghreb?, or was that Biden) There were those bombs in Algeria last week, that nobody else seemed to pay a lot of attention to.

Matter of fact, I think the Cheney team has put al-Qaeda on the map, and created them as the greatest terrorist organization on earth, just as part of the false flag operation that began over 7 years ago, in The Coup of 2000.

I’m not saying they didn’t exist before, because Lawrence Wright has done a magnificent work in laying down the birth and growth of bin Laden, Zawahiri, and their movement. (The Looming Towers in the title…a must read). Still, the Cheney team has given them star billing for several years now. So, people like Feingold are no different than anyone else, in failing to see who the real terrorists actually are. They’ve been, as you already noted, smitten with the Orwellian bug.

Psychologically, it is a most painful recognition. Maybe our politicians just can’t handle it.

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By Mudwollow, September 11, 2007 at 11:44 pm Link to this comment

Feingold Sheds the Kid Gloves - to reveal his Kid hands and crossed fingers. Just another rat politico.

Forgot to ask about the 9 billion per month this fine liberation is costing US. Forgot ask about the tens of thousands who have had their bodies and minds permanently mangled. But be sure to subtract the ones killed by those very very unfortunate accidents. As if death by accident isn’t a real part of war. Better subtract friendly fire, that’s not real war death. Ask about the building of multiple, massive, multi billion dollar permanent bases. Why did we build them?

Ask the real questions you rat turds.

Both parties know that we never planed to leave and are in on that knowledge up to their filthy wallets. Kid gloves off! My ass.

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By cann4ing, September 11, 2007 at 9:14 pm Link to this comment

While the article suggests that the end of this colloquy between Senator Feingold and General Petraeus was “contentious,” its true significance is that it exposes the manner in which the entire presentation by General Betray Us and Ambassador What a Crock was spin.

Betray Us says, “there has been a reduction of deaths since June…”

Feingold response:  “In every single month this year…a significantly greater number of troops died than in 2006…”

Betray Us, who had the opportunity to do so, did not, for a moment, attempt to dispute Feingold’s factual statement.

Betray Us also presented what may have been a Freudian slip, stating, “al Qaeda Central sees al Qaeda in Iraq is their central front in ‘their’ global war on terror.”  Read literally, the statement would mean that from al Qaeda’s point of view, it is the U.S. that is the agent of terror all over the world and that al Qaeda sees its role as fighting against that terror.

Setting aside the question as to whether the Bush administration was complicit in 9/11, the core problem with the senator’s questions is that Feingold has fallen into the Orwellian trap of viewing this as a global war when the most appropriate post 9/11 response was to treat 9/11 as a crime rather than an act of war.  As Gen. Wm. Odom, (US Army-retired) observed, the very concept of a war on terror borders on a meaningless oxymoron.  Terror is a tactic, not a target.  “It would make as much sense to declare war on night attacks and expect to win that war.”

If instead of unilaterally bombing, then invading Afghanistan, the U.S., through the auspices of the U.N. and the World Court, had opted to seek global cooperation to bring the perpetrators of 9/11 before the bar of justice, we would have found near unanimous assistance from nations all over the planet.  (Of course “if” the Bush administration was complicit, this would have meant bringing themselves before the bar of justice). 

From the perspective of the sociopaths who came up with it, the utility in a global war on terror is that it can never be won and therefore can never end.  It has served as justification for a major assault on the separation of powers, civil liberties, NSA domestic spying, massive increases in the military budget, extraordinary renditions, torture and, of course, as a false premise for first invading and now remaining in Iraq.

It is a major disappointment that a Russ Feingold can’t see that.

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By rowdy, September 11, 2007 at 8:48 pm Link to this comment

the fucking democrats are all useless. giant pussy motherfuckers, they can’t be counted on to change jack shit. if the pig hilary wins she will continue the bush policies of spying on americans. she too, thinks the constitution is “just a goddamned piece of paper”.

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By 911truthdotorg, September 11, 2007 at 8:45 pm Link to this comment

cyrena -

Sorry, but I can’t cut him or anyone else any slack.

This monster is going to cause a catastrophe if and when - and I believe he will, bomb Iran and declare martial law. The damage he can still cause is revolting.

He’s well on his way with the Security and Prosperity Partnership (, aka The North American Union. He will destroy the US dollar and replace it with the “Amero”, along with the Peso and Canadian dollar. No US dollar = no US.

Anyone who refuses to impeach him and prevent that is just as guilty as he is by enabling him.

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By LetMePointOut, September 11, 2007 at 8:34 pm Link to this comment
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Hey Senator, just one thing:

“the number of troop deaths” cannot go down, it can only go up.

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By cyrena, September 11, 2007 at 8:03 pm Link to this comment

I know how you feel 911truthdog. But, let’s cut him some slack. At least he’s talking now. At least we’re finally getting some stuff on the record, for whatever it might be worth.

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By 911truthdotorg, September 11, 2007 at 7:37 pm Link to this comment

OK, Mr. “Impeachment is off the Table”, go back to Wisconsin and make some cheese.

How dare you show concern for the troops when you refuse to remove THE ONLY OBSTACLE to bringing them all home - the mass murdering criminal-in-chief!!

I used to respect you. I no longer do.

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