My theory: Larry’s terrible mental state caused by traumatic childhood.  MotherTucker was a gherkin jerker.

ProfVP,
Are you picking on Mother Tucker? What do you have against women? Harhar….
You’re right, Tucker is a jerk and was no doubt looking for a jerker.

THIS SHYSTER SENATOR WILL HIRE A SHYSTER LAWYER AND GO IN FRONT OF A SHYSTER JUDGE[all the while $$$ is greasing ???].....AND…THEY WILL HANG THIS COP-WHO WAS DOING HIS JOB—-OUT-TO-DRY…..LEAVING THIS PREDATOR ON THE STREETS TO[Maybe next time]GRAB ASS A CHILD…NOW…THAT…IS…AMERICAN…JUSTICE…

Larry Craig to the public:

I’m not losing my hair, I’m gaining more HEAD.

No, Boggs, I believe public restrooms should only be used for their intended purpose.

What I may have said- I say a lot of things- was that because of the Larry Craigs of the world- powerful gay men who force the closet on gay men- it limits the nicer ways for gay men to meet and, if they choose to, form relationships. 

I recognized Tucker Carlson as a jerk long before his over-defensive bathroom remarks.  I give him the benefit of the doubt for obviously he received bad parenting.  And so I blame MotherTucker.

ProfessorVP,
Are you saying that its okay to troll public bathrooms? (because marriage isn’t legal between same sexes?)
I have have never been bothered myself, but think of the trauma felt by a cute little Tucker Carlson who says that he has been approached in a public restroom!
Poor Tucker, he will surely have nightmares and perhaps will suffer the same kind of mental stress that we are dealing with in our Vets.

I think the Republicans (and perhaps all potiticians) would like this issue to be about the “Gayness” of Larry.

That would keep us from talking about a much more dangerous issue. Namely the fact that there is the America our leaders want us to believe in and the other one they run from their offices in DC.

They live in a world completely apart from ours.
We drive our 12K dollar vehicles to the bank to make our pitifully small deposits to our checking accounts. They steer huge sums of money to special interest groups knowing that if they find themselves back in the private sector they will have powerful friends to give them high paying salaries so they can maintain the high costs of living they have become enamored with.

They never, and I mean never tell us the truth.

Example, The home Mortgage industry lobbies and lavishes a lot of money on out leaders to get them to loosen the regulation of their industry, and they get what they want. Now we face a possible recession and financial ruin for many. Bu$h says he’s going to protect those poor little home buyers that are caught in the sub-prime boon-doggle. 86% of those mortgagers lied on their loan applications at the direction of the loan companies to qualify for a loan they couldn’t afford.

Bu$h says he’s going to have the FHA pick up more mortgage guaranties. Sounds like he’s trying to help the home buyer doesn’t it. NOT, the mortgage guaranties will protect the lending institutions who caused this by operating like a criminal enterprise. They committed fraudulent loan applications! The home buyers will still be out on the street if they fail to make their payments. Where does this FHA money come from? It comes out of each of our hides!
This is the same scam that was ran by the Savings and Loan companies some years back.

Don’t ever wave that fackin flug in my face again!

Boggs, I wish Barney Frank was running the nation instead of the clown figurehead we now have.  All I said was that he was not untouched by scandal.  He met his young trick, Steve Gobie, who was a prostitute, and paid him $80 initially for sex.  As the relationship developed, he let the much younger man use his apartment, which some might consider payment.  It is probable that Barney didn’t know what Gobie was doing, but still, it was occurring on Barney’s property.  Do I blame Barney?  No.  What’s a gay congressman or other elected official to do?  Get married fast like John Kasich?  Lie like Ed Koch?  They can’t legally marry the person they’d really like to marry.  The options are pretty unsavory.  Have a secret boyfriend, hook up with prositutes or troll bathrooms.  In that respect, the 62 year old Larry Craig could be given a pass… IF- and I repeat IF- he hadn’t legislated homophobia from his powerful Senate seat.

Professor VP,
I stick to my story….Frank did nothing wrong.
Frank had befriended another gent who did
use Barney’s basement to run an escort or prostitution from, he did this while Barney was away and as soon as Barney learned of it, he kicked the gent out, and reported the incident to the ethics committee, to stay ahead of the game.
Barney Frank is a man of ethics and integrity. Just because he is gay does not diminish those fine qualities.

# 98226 vet240:
how about this version:

I’m not gay because I never swallow, I just like to suck one now and then!

I’m not gay because I never inhale, I just like to smoke one now and then!

Bringing up Barney Frank is a red herring. In 1990, the House voted to reprimand Frank when it was revealed that Steve Gobie, a male escort whom Frank had befriended after hiring him through a personal advertisement, CLAIMED to have conducted an escort service from Frank’s apartment when he was not at home. Frank had dismissed Gobie earlier that year and reported the incident to the House Ethics Committee after learning of Gobie’s activities. After an investigation, the House Ethics Committee FOUND NO EVIDENCE THAT FRANK HAD KNOWN OF OR BEEN INVOLVED IN THE ALLEGED ILLEGAL ACTIVITY. Sounds to me like an angry ex lover trying to bring down a respected politician. It didn’t work, and Frank has repeatedly been reelected by his district.

Thanks Boggs, there are so many of these exploits from the PTB that it hard to keep track or remember all the names of who did what.

Boggs, you don’t get out much, do you?  Barney Frank (singular) was, in fact, connected to a prostitution ring run by his boyfriend from Frank’s own apartment.  This is fact.  I believe either Frank was reprimanded by the House, or the reprimand didn’t pass.  Still, it’s not the same as bathroom trolling.

lynn,
Barney Franks is a discreet fella as far as I know he has never broken the law or been caught trolling the bathrooms.
He hasn’t even been connected with any of the (R) page scandals.
The spin doctors (R’s) try to spread that he once ran a brothel from his basement, however that was a false story.

Purplewolf,
You are thinking of Foley who was a (R) senator for Florida.
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What is his voting record on gay issues? Has he been pushing heterosexual agendas such as no gay marriage? Does he have other anti-gay stances? These are the only legit angles to covering this.

It is not whether he is gay or not. If he has gay sex is fine if he’s not stopping other citizens from achieving social equality through sanctioned unions/marriages or what have you. Like gay marriage is more of a threat to society than two guys rolling around in public.

Purple, there are plenty of bisexual women, but virtually no bisexual men.  It doesn’t work that way.  Men choose one side and stick to it.  When gay men are busted, they sometimes claim to be bi, because although they’ve been caught in homosexual acts, that in itself doesn’t rule out that they also engage in heterosexual acts.  But it’s a bogus alibi built on shame. 

As one sex researcher said- I wish I could remember his name- “If you don’t like how sex works, complain to the Manufacturer.”

Okay, so he says he’s not GAY.I accept that he’s, BI. Wasn’t this the same guy who, a few years back was also the one who was “bothering” the INTERNS for years and their complaints about him were swept under the rug.

And for this guy to pull then “S” card was to much. I’m know from working in law enforcement that trying to pull “rank” and implying he is above the law with his I AM A SENATOR card could be considered another charge against him.I am sure the arresting officer was not impressed.

If he wants to yell entrapment, Senator Craig had better never come to Michigan and visit the rest stop on I-69(yes it’s real, no joke) between Flint and Swartz Creek, on the east bound lane. It is well known as a place of interest and frequent visitation by police looking for just the type of behaviour from guys who just want to “HANG OUT”, much like this guy claims he is innocent of. And the hand sliding on the bottom of the stall divider, is that a new version of the “Hand Jive”?

AS MY GAY MALE BUDDY USED TO SAY IN THE 1960s———
IF IT LOOKS LIKE A DUCK-
WALKS LIKE A DUCK-
QUACKS LIKE A DUCK-
HEY- IT’s PRETTY OBVIOUS-
IT’S A DUCK-
THE MAN KNEW ALL THE SIGNALS…...

There is an old homosexual predator deviate like Craig where I work. He follows guys into the bathroom, tries to look over the partition between the urinals, was caught in a bathroom masturbating with someone and motioned to another guy that he wanted to have anal sex with him. And, yes, he’s still working there and gets away with it. Why? Because he’s “married”.

Being openly gay, living your life and minding your own business is one thing. But being a sexual predator and being a complete fraud is something else altogether.

That’s why Craig disgusts me…like the scumbag at work.

Undertaker, your life has been, shall we say, sheltered?
    http://smallscreen.monstersandcritics.com/news/article_1349976.php/ABC_and_CNN_educate_viewers_on_gay_cruising_

It is far more common than you think.  Boys will be boys.  Not gay, not gay, not gay! of course.
And Craigslist has its risks for married men in the public eye.  And a gay dating service is what brought down conservative Republican Rep. Ed Shrock of Virginia not so long ago.  It’s not easy being gay, but as Joan Crawford said in Mommy Dearest, “Nobody ever said life was fair.”

I gotta laugh at the professor, even if I do take his point.  Good god, man, do you really think there are so many men out there looking for sex that public toilets would be over-run with it if the cops weren’t hanging around looking for violations?  How silly is that. 

Look, if a guy wants to have sex with another guy, there are perfectly safe, legal, and yes even anonymous ways to hook up—just check out the local Craigslist, or certain any number of gay web sites. That’s what makes the Senator’s activities so darn stupid, as well as illegal. He could have lived the rest of his narrow little life without ever risking his career. Of course, he might have had to have come to grips a bit more with his sexual demons to do it.

nf, I suggest you read just part of the avalanche of material about Larry Craig’s bathroom bust if you don’t know what he was charged with or what he pled guilty to.  If you don’t know, why are you even posting here?

That said, it’s absurd to compare Larry Craig to Ted Kennedy.  What has one to do with another?  Why not compare both to Hitler?  Then both Craig and Kennedy will seem as innocent as Shirley Temple.  It’s just childish.  Can we leave the dissolute Mr. Kennedy out of this please?

It is not uncommon to have undercover (no pun) operations at bathrooms in high traffic areas where there have been complaints about disturbing the peace, which is what Craig pled guilty to.  If such police activities didn’t exist, there are many bathrooms that we need to use- with no other alternative, i.e. airports, train stations- that would be a minefield of groping men, used condoms, drugs, etc., the kind of place you may not want to find yourself, or bring your kids into.

nf, if you equate bathroom cruising and flirting at a bar, you don’t even believe what you’re writing.

NF, I stand corrected—partially.  According to Wikipedia, Kennedy pled guilty to leaving the scene of an accident. However, he was neither charged nor convicted of anything “far worse” than leaving the scene of an accident. You apparently have drawn other conclusions; that’s your prerogative. But whatever Kennedy may or may not have done only distracts from what Craig did—and apparently a lot of people in Idaho are pretty peeved about the man’s hypocrisy.

As for Craig, in principle, I agree with you that cops should have more important things to do than loitering about in public restrooms looking for signs of sex between consenting adults. In practice, as I pointed out earlier, it strains credulity to expect that Senator Craig would have turned down sex with adolescent, since sex under the divider between stalls doesn’t exactly create an environment for asking, “uh, are you 18?”

Also, the laws in the state of Minnesota apparently are in line with the laws of most other states that criminalize such activity. Craig pled guilty to lesser charges in order to “make the whole thing go away.”  Many men in other states have been charged with sex crimes, forced to register as sex offenders, and as such endured the publication of their photographs in local small-town newspapers. In Ohio a few years back, some guy was charged with public indecency for shaking his penis too many times (gotta wonder what genius decided that 2 shakes was okay, but 4 shakes meant he was masturbating) and for standing too far away from the urinal—and at a time when no one else was even in the restroom! But the whole thing was caught on an electronic monitor. Ironic that it only seems absurd when it’s a conservative political hero who gets caught in the trap, but when it’s some joe schmoe from the other side of the tracks, it’s okay.

Seattle undertaker:

For the record, Kennedy was convicted of leaving the scene of an accident.  I am not defending Craig, however I still don’t know what crime was alleged.  He certainly is a horrid individual but my point is that it is a stretch to find a crime worthy of a jury trial.

In admitting to leaving the scene of the accident, Kennedy was guilty of far more - knowingly leaving a submerged car where he knew a woman was contained.

A couple of other points not yet discussed (that I can see.)

First, as a US Senator, Larry Craig has access to the highest levels of classified materials. A closeted homosexual (whether he defines himself as “gay” or not is irrelevant) is susceptible to blackmailing. (One need only witness the absolute terror on his face when denying being gay to realize just how powerful a weapon this would have been in the right hands. And how much more susceptible would he have been if he had gotten away with sweeping this under the rug? What if he has a criminal record in other states as well?) The Senate should begin investigations immediately to determine whether Craig’s closeted homosexual behaviors have in any way compromised the security of the United States. This isn’t a witch hunt against gay people—Barney Frank isn’t susceptible to blackmail because he’s been open and honest about his sexuality.

Second, this isn’t a matter of merely tapping your foot against another man’s foot in the stall beside you—nor is it a mere matter of his running his hands into the other guy’s stall. This is predatory behavior of the worst kind. Do you think Craig would have been able to tell if an adolescent had been in the other stall? Do you think he would have cared? Or do you think, if the person in the next stall had slid his knees and torso under the divider, that Craig would have performed oral sex on that person without caring about his age? Having pled guilty to sex crimes, Larry Craig should be required to comply with sexual predator laws where ever he goes. He should be forbidden from going within 500 feet of schools and daycares and shopping malls, where adolescents hang out.  If these are the laws that the right wing thinks should apply to sexual predators, they should be applied equally—even if the individual is a right-wing Senator from Idaho.

Third, in response to the ridiculous comparison between Ted Kennedy and Larry Craig, the difference is that Kennedy was never tried and convicted. Nor did he plead guilty to any crimes. Larry Craig not only pled guilty, he attempted to deal with the matter surreptitiously, to keep his sexual predilections secret and deny the electorate the crucial information that their Senator is a sexual predator. The comparison between Clinton and Craig is equally spurious. Clinton was in the privacy of his own office—even if it is government owned—with a consenting adult.  Clinton never made sexual integrity a theme of his campaign.  Craig was in a public restroom, pursuing sexual gratification with individuals of unknown age. And Craig has made much political hay over his opposition to gay rights.

RE#97720 by nf on 8/30 at 1:01 pm:

nf, with all due respect, you and all the others who think this is a non-issue are missing the point: this lying, hypocritical slime-ball has literally busted his ass on Capitol Hill trying to make sure his sexual preference is criminalized for everyone else!

This Christian Hypocrite (sorry for the redundancy) hurts me, you, everyone, regardless of their sexual preference by his sickening toadying to the filthy Christian perverts who want to criminalize anything anyone does for pleasure.  His disgusting hypocrisy is at issue here, not his sexual preference, and it must be trumpeted long and loud again and again until this crap stops!

This filthy, lying hypocrite has helped pass laws abridging YOUR personal rights and those very laws were used to bust his hypocritical ass!  The irony is just too sweet.  Is that concern pressing enough for you?  Or would you rather wait until after the homosexuals are taken care of and they DO come after you for when you “offer an unknown female a drink in a bar and at the same time touch her foot with mine”?

If we do not fight the hypocrites now, they will come after all of us later.  Or is that just too complicated for all of you to figure out?

Comparing the crimes of Ted Kennedy and Craig.  Kennedy left the scene of a bodily injury accident in which he knew that someone had died as a result of Kennedy’s drunken driving. Craig made a pass at another adult who happened to be a cop.  Kennedy’s crime is a mountain, Craig’s crime is a pebble. Yet, Kennedy is a senator in good standing defended by his fellow democrats.  Craig’s fellow republicans are calling for his resignation.

I am not homosexual nor do I have any biases against homosexuals, and I have no ax to grind either in favor or against Craig. It does seem as though we have reached a new low point for law enforcement when it is considered a misdemeanor for one adult to make a pass at another adult.  Must I now consider myself a law breaker if I offer an unknown female a drink in a bar and at the same time touch her foot with mine ? If these are crimes in this country then we must now be in a police state. This is a shameful point in our history.  Don’t we all have other more pressing concerns to worry about ?

I get it!

The joke’s on us. He’s really heterosexual and only
hitting on gay men to see what that’s all about.
That’s much better, everybody understands that.

He’s not gay!!!

RE#97644 by lynn on 8/30 at 12:58 am:

Very interesting term there, lynn: “homosexualists”. Is that what you hypocritical closet queers call anyone not embarrassed by sexual preferences?

I’m well into my second half century now, have travelled the world, done many things, met a whole lot of people from many, many lands and one thing I’ve noticed: those who protest about other people’s sexual preferences are ALWAYS queer.  ALWAYS. They are not curious, they are not intrigued, but they are ALWAYS FULL BLOWN (pardon the pun) QUEERS.  NO EXCEPTIONS. EVER. EVER. EVER. 

Was in my forties before I realized the pattern: in private as well as public life the ONLY people who EVER gave a shit about someone else’s sexual preference were queer themselves.  And the ones who made the loudest noise were those who were the most active practitioners.

People who are comfortable with their own sexual preferences simply DO NOT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT ANYONE ELSES’, period.  It just isn’t an issue.  Why?  Well, lynn, because if you are comfortable with your own sexuality, you just don’t care what others do.  You understand the simple phrase, “To each his/her own”, and you get on with living. Of course, we are talking about people intelligent enough to know that ANY religious reference from ANY religion about homosexuality, as well as anything else, is just so much stupid shit and should be utterly ignored. 

But if you’re in the closet, lynn, you make noise about other people’s preferences and you make bitchy little asides like calling people who don’t care “homosexualists”.  It’s the old transference problem, lynn, you know, like you learned in high school psychology.  A person freaks out over what they most detest in themselves, hence Craig was the Christian Right’s biggest bitch about ‘fags’ while he was secretly knobbing anyone he could find. 

So lynn, how long have you been prac- oh, excuse me - protesting about “homosexualists”?

You are 100% wrong, Cyrena.  The folks in Idaho DO care if Larry Craig, who consistently voted against gays, is gay.  The “family values” and “for the children,” and “Christian values” crowd.  They care.  If you didn’t know that, now you do.  They care bigtime.  If Larry Craig had been caught with a real boyfriend in the cleanest luxury hotel room, he’d still be in hot water in Idaho.  Just for being gay.  Now you know.

Doesn’t matter whether he’s gay or not. The problem is trolling for sex in the stall. Seriously, he’s a senator, he’s got some money and influence, you’d think that at least he could do better with his scandalous sex acts. Find an intern or something, man!

John Lithgow, indeed.

|Lefty,
If I were the Senator, I would stay off my hands and knees!!!!

What I particularly find insulting is his concept of “being gay”....he says that he IS not and NEVER HAS BEEN gay…as if it is a choice that one can make on any given day, like choice of clothing….maybe he attended the same “therapy” that Haggard participated in…I know the studies are coming in these days, but it certainly seems to me that one’s sexual persuasion is determined by our genes and completely uncontrollable by the individual…however, there is a choice…it seems to be to deny who you are and live a life that will make others happy, or accept who you are and live a life that makes you happy…regardless of how we are born, we all have to make choices of whose life we lead…it is sad that some people are forced to make decisions based upon other’s bigotry and religious “piousness”

Political rule #1. Don’t get caught fornicating with a dead woman or a live man.

But at least it wasn’t a kid. This time.

It would probably hurt the Senator’s feelings terribly to know that NOBODY CARES if he’s gay or not. If we care about anything, it would be why he was indulging in lewd acts in public. And, if he wasn’t gay, why was he doing it in a men’s toilet.

What an asshole. Another moron from this same club is doing his best to fire up a larger portion of the Middle East, and spewing stupid rhetoric, guaranteed to maintain chaos throughout the world, and this guy thinks we care if he’s gay?

Oh please. He should just crawl back under his rock.

If he can’t find his way out of a closet, how does he find his way home?

He’s a Romney supporter by the way.

Oh yes, he’s not gay but only attempts a “LEWD” act with man !