the question should have been ‘why have we trusted you?’

I CHOOSE EXILE

RE: 95972 by The Real Progressive on 8/20 at 7:20 am

Friend, have you seen a head shrink yet? You really should before its too late! Comments like yours clearly indicate a person with problems of reality. Take care and please do seek help!

Shill:

One who poses as a satisfied customer or an enthusiastic gambler to dupe bystanders into participating in a swindle.

Shill of shills, Bill Kristol

This irritates. Look, Bill Maher has been saying these kinds of things to people like Kristol, and to their faces, and with much stronger language, for some time now.  But now that Stewart makes a few squeaks about it, everyone notices. Bill has more Colbert balls than Stewart ever will. Sorry, he’s funny, but he just is too damn timid for me. Satire should have a very hard edge, which the Daily Show does not. And these crummy interviews just drive me away.

Well, it will be an amazing thing if this actually posts. But, my name is highlighted in blue here, (as opposed to being “greyed-out” since my banishment. So, I’m just checking again.

Haven’t been able to post much of anything for 2 days now. Just assumed I was still blacklisted.

Kristol is one of the few people I have seen on TV, or in real life, that can smile while he is telling a bald faced lie! Most people show some other emotion, such as Cheney’s snarl, O’Reilly’s feigned indignation, Tony Snow’s raised eye brows,...and, well you get the point. But Bill, just that stupid, goofy looking smile!

You think so?
Then how did you get it so wrong?

LMFAO!!!!!!!!

Humm…I’m not so sure that I DID get it wrong lilmanzer. Not so sure at all.

We’ll see, eh?

#95525 by cyrena

I think I’ve got it covered.

You think so?
Then how did you get it so wrong?

LMFAO!!!!!!!!

I am tempted to just explain to you how nonsensical your statement above is - you clearly just don’t get it. That’s nothing new, of course.

But then, why should you have everything handed to you like a child? You should learn to figure some things out for yourself.
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You’re right this time kiddo….

So, PLEASE…do not be tempted. PLEASE, do not explain.

I think I’ve got it covered.

#95519 by lilmamzer

I DON’T CARE. BUT, you must remember what it is that I don’t care about. I don’t care about the plight of the 7 million American Jews that you’re so worried about, because I don’t see them as having any troubles any greater than the rest of us.
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Oh, right, almost forgot - “you don’t care” - all your posts notwithstanding.

#95517 by lilmamzer

I DON’T CARE. BUT, you must remember what it is that I don’t care about. I don’t care about the plight of the 7 million American Jews that you’re so worried about, because I don’t see them as having any troubles any greater than the rest of us.

I am tempted to just explain to you how nonsensical your statement above is - you clearly just don’t get it. That’s nothing new, of course.

But then, why should you have everything handed to you like a child? You should learn to figure some things out for yourself.

#95509 by cyrena

I DON’T CARE. BUT, you must remember what it is that I don’t care about. I don’t care about the plight of the 7 million American Jews that you’re so worried about, because I don’t see them as having any troubles any greater than the rest of us.

I’m posting this again because it amuses me to see how badly you have dropped the ball trying to follow even the simplest of threads.

Go back and read the exchange between me and mangemeister. Then read your post, as shown above. It’s hilarious what nonsense you come up with.

#95509 by cyrena

#95492 by lilmamzer
I DON’T CARE. BUT, you must remember what it is that I don’t care about. I don’t care about the plight of the 7 million American Jews that you’re so worried about

You fool. You didn’t understand what I was writing to MANGEMEISTER. That is not at all the meaning of my post. Learn to understand what you read, if you even read my post. You have a history of babbling on without showing any evidence of having read the subject matter at hand.
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So, lets keep that in it’s proper perspective, when I say that I don’t care. It is about THAT, that I do not care.

Whatever.
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is there any difference between being a liar and a traitor?

I would think not. So, there’s your “evidence”.

You would think if you could. Haven’t seen any evidence of that, nor have you presented any evidence at all that Kristol has committed treason.

Lame.

#95492 by lilmamzer on 8/16 at 12:29 pm

Sorry lilmamzer,

I forgot. Here’s my 3rd statement of non-caring…

I DON’T CARE. BUT, you must remember what it is that I don’t care about. I don’t care about the plight of the 7 million American Jews that you’re so worried about, because I don’t see them as having any troubles any greater than the rest of us. Matter of fact, I’m pretty damn certain that they are proportionately far better off than the rest of us.

So, lets keep that in it’s proper perspective, when I say that I don’t care. It is about THAT, that I do not care.

As for Willie Kristol being a traitor, Non Credo probably knows that he is. I don’t, because I don’t know much about him. So I couldn’t go so far as to call him THAT, but I’d be happy to call him a LIAR, since the evidence of THAT, is right here in this video, where you can see and hear him LYING!

In this context…is there any difference between being a liar and a traitor?

I would think not. So, there’s your “evidence”.

#95490 by cyrena on 8/16 at 12:24 pm
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Maybe you should SUE Non Credo? Or, have Willie Kristol sue? That might be kind of fun to watch.
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Well, look who stopped not-caring.

I’m not at all litigious. But I do like skewering assholes who make spurious charges like Non Credo, and then can’t back them up.

Still not-caring, Cyrena? Why don’t you post some more and tell me (again) how much you don’t care (again).

Absent any legally-admissable evidence to the contrary, Non Credo, you are guilty of libel - maliciously and damagingly misrepresenting another’s character through defamatory statements.

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So, lilmamzer,

Maybe you should SUE Non Credo? Or, have Willie Kristol sue? That might be kind of fun to watch.

#95458 by Non Credo

Kristol is a traitor, if there is any such thing as a traitor. It’s really as simple as that.

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Absent any legally-admissable evidence to the contrary, Non Credo, you are guilty of libel - maliciously and damagingly misrepresenting another’s character through defamatory statements.

Only a cheesy, low-rent creep would do that. Especially when the damaged party is not around to defend himself.

Not only are your written words slanderous, Non Credo, but absent any evidence to prove your charges, they show you to be lazy and disingenuous.

So, Non Credo, you have the opportunity to wipe the mud off your face and present the evidence, the legally-admissable evidence, of your charges.

Show us what you got.

#95458 by Non Credo

Kristol is a traitor, if there is any such thing as a traitor. It’s really as simple as that.

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OK, Nin Credo, one more time -

Show us all something that would hold up in a court of law to support your asinine charge of treason.

Can you do that, Non Credo?

#95458 by Non Credo

Kristol is a traitor, if there is any such thing as a traitor. It’s really as simple as that.

You can run but I won’t let you hide.

So, I’ll put you to the test again:

Why is it, then, Non Credo, that people listen to what Kristol has to say, and nobody gives a rat’s ass what you have to say?

He’s just smarter than you are, more articulate, more reasoned, more informed, more accomplished, and has gravitas.

Everything you lack.

Show us all something that would hold up in a court of law to support your asinine charge of treason.

Can you do that?

#95384 by Novista on 8/16 at 7:01 am

Why do people engage with lil~ when it’s evident you could not find its brain with an electron microscope?

Better things to do with your time and words.

Thank gawd I’m on the right side of the International Date Line. No Kristol balls for me.
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Novista,
You’re right of course…about wasting time and energy on lilmamzer, (and that’s her own self-appointed screen name, so that’s not anybody else’s fault there).

Still, the best plan is of course to simply ignore her, and most folks generally do, at least for the most part. But it’s like anything else. You can ignore the fly or the bug as long as it isn’t actively pestering you or stinging. Once it gets to be an overwhelming annoyance, the instinct is swat it out of the way.

So, we just have to become more disciplined I suppose.

#95458 by Non Credo

Everybody who interviews him is so afraid of pointing out his blatant lack of loyalty to this country

Why is it, then, Non Credo, that people listen to what Kristol has to say, and nobody gives a rat’s ass what you have to say?

He’s just smarter than you are, more articulate, more reasoned, more informed, more accomplished, and has gravitas.

Everything you lack.

Show us all something that would hold up in a court of law to support your asinine charge of treason.

Can you do that?

#95428 by cyrena

Ok, this will be the second time.
We don’t care.

Still not caring, I see.
Keep up the good non-caring work.

I think you need to tell me several hundred more times that you (the royal “we”?) don’t care.

Ok lilmamzer, this counts for the first of the several hundred times. WE honestly don’t give a shit about the 7 million American Jews who support Israel, because you’ve yet to come up with anything that gives anybody a reason why we should.

My point, was that no matter what the discussion on this site is, or whatever we may be talking about, you always appear with the misery of the Jews, as if they have some special illness or something that we should all be in attendance to, and I really don’t get that at all.

The published population of this country is 300 million, give or take a few I’m sure. And, 7 million of them are Jews.

So why is it, that all conversation must focus on them, any more than it would anyone else?

Does this help you understand why you’re just a boring broken record?

Ok, this will be the second time.
We don’t care.

#95392 by cyrena

And, most importantly, why do you THINK WE CARE?

Because your many posts on this and similar topics attest to the fact that you care a great deal.

Furthermore, this thread is whatever we want it to be. If you read my posts in the context of responding to the poster called weather and not you, you wouldn’t have had to make a fool of yourself by asking stupid questions.
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What are we gonna DO about them?

Again with the royal “we”? My questions were posed to one specific individual, by name. And it wasn’t you.
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Can I tell you again…that we just don’t CARE?

I think you need to tell me several hundred more times that you (the royal “we”?) don’t care.

Then again, you care enough to send the very best, don’t you?

#95310 by lilmamzer on 8/15 at 9:25 pm

•  You have failed to answer the basic question I put to you: What are you going to do about the 7 million American citizens who are Jews and who support Israel even more than Kristol does?
You have no clue, no plan, no options.
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Lilmamzer,
Why does it always have to come immediately to this with you? This thread is on a William Kristol pretend interview with Jon Stewart, claiming that the “surge on Iraq” is “going well”. So, how do we get to 7 million American Jews who support Israel?
And, most importantly, why do you THINK WE CARE?
We don’t.

We have no solutions, plans, or options for the welfare of 7 million American Jews, because we don’t know what the hell you’re talking about, when you even pose the question. What are we gonna DO about them? Are the 7 million American Jews in some sort of danger that the rest of us NON-Jewish Americans don’t have to consider?
And tell me again, what this has to do with Kristol claiming that the surge on Iraq is “going well” when we can see with our own eyes, that it is NOT. And how does anything that ever comes up on this or any other topic, somehow always have to come back to you and your Jews?

Can I tell you again…that we just don’t CARE?

Why do people engage with lil~ when it’s evident you could not find its brain with an electron microscope?

Better things to do with your time and words.

Thank gawd I’m on the right side of the International Date Line. No Kristol balls for me.

“This non-fighting pussy doesn’t mind that your kids are fighting and dying.” - vet240

Damn straight! Kristol wouldn’t care if the toll were 40,000 and not 4,000 dead. They consider it a small price for their ends. Mere cannon fodder. That we are unable to produce change in our one party system of government does not alter the facts or our ability and desire to state them. We learn what we can. We do what we can, when we can, for as long as we can.

Some here are sufficiently threatened by our statements. They offer nothing of their own, only resistance.

“This above all: to thine own self be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man.
Farewell; my blessing season this in thee!”

  —William Shakespeare

#95282 by weather

Your sense of entitlement that somehow Israel’s remarkable arrogance and brazen deceit is now suddenly an American problem only speaks to just how presumtous you are.

Sense of entitlement? What the fuck?

America’s problem?

Do you just ramble on and on in stream-of-consciousness like this all the time?

You have failed to answer the basic question I put to you: What are you going to do about the 7 million American citizens who are Jews and who support Israel even more than Kristol does?

You have no clue, no plan, no options.

All you can do is make your futile and totally lame posts. So lame.

illa-monster.

Your sense of entitlement that somehow Israel’s remarkable arrogance and brazen deceit is now suddenly an American problem only speaks to just how presumtous you are. How sad, how selfish.

Now goto the mirror your favorite zip code and reflect on a part of the problem.

If you love Israel, fly there and fix it.

Israel is dysfunction junction and they have absolutely no one to thank but themselves.

#95245 by weather

Drop-ship Kristol in the sands of Iraq w/his Israeli passport, his haughty hubris and have him report back his story then.

Tough talk, but we know you can’t back it up.

What are you going to do about the 7 million American citizens who are Jews and who support Israel even more than Kristol does?

We need practical suggestions here, weather, not your lame chest-thumping.

You need to come up with a plan to deal with 7 million American Jews.

I think you don’t have a clue what to do.

Improve America.

Drop-ship Kristol in the sands of Iraq w/his Israeli passport, his haughty hubris and have him report back his story then.

#95208 by Non Credo

His kids are Chosen. Yours are not.

And what are you gonna do about it?

I’ll tell you what you’ll do: nothing

Because you ain’t got the cojones to stand up to the Chosen.

All you do is bitch and complain on this lame website.

Out in the real world, the Chosen make a fool out of you all day, every day, and you ain’t got a frickin’ clue what to do. And everyone knows it, too.

I was struck of Kristols arrogant smirk early in the interview when he said “Not a bad idea”, when asked about an invasion of Iran.

This non-fighting pussy doesn’t mind that your kids are fighting and dying.

I’m a huge fan of Stewart, but I, too, am disappointed at how he pulls his punches with guests when they’re on the program, but has savaged otherwise.

I’m most irritated by Stewart going easy on Dennis Miller. However, whenever he’s on the program, Miller simply won’t shut up. He fires off one weak joke after another, on subjects of no importance or interest, without any letup. It’s clear that he’s dominating the “conversation” to prevent Stewart from asking him about his being a tool for Bush and the neocons.

#95056 by mary on 8/15 at 6:04 am

...“I’m still amazed at how the neoCONS will “use” every media outlet, mostly unchallenged, to sell their agenda.”...

Mary,

You hit this dead on the money. There is no shame in their game. Not the least. And, it’s certainly NOT like they don’t already pander to the overall public through their poisonus influence in the main-stream media. So, it’s not like there isn’t plenty of the Bill Kristol shit floating free, and has been for years now.

Why do we have to see and hear them on our own communications?

It’s always overwhelmingly nauseating to hear ANY of them make the claim that “things are going well” in Iraq, as it has been for the last four and a half years. That he can honestly say that to a public capable of reading simple news stories every single day like, “200 people dead in bomb attacks. Nine US troops dead in a variety of incidents…” and this is everyday stuff, and has been for the past year. It’s only so much WORSE since the “surge”.

For instance, all of the nastiest part of the violence has now spread through the North and Northwest of the country, which had managed to stay largely peaceful, until….“the surge”. Now it’s as chaotic as all the rest of the country.

Iraq Chaos: 9 US Soldiers Dead;
Bombs Kill 175, 200 Hurt

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/081407R.shtml

So, when we read this stuff everyday, (even if it’s the AP, with multiple typos) it makes it real difficult to watch and listen to Kristol and those like him, lie through their teeth, and say that things are “going well”.

Things have not been “going well” in the nearly 5 years since we invaded and occupied that soverign state, in order to steal their O-I-L, and set up a permanent colony for US-Israel joint ventures.

So, if Jon was gonna force us to listen to the guy, he should have questioned him about all the millions of dead and/or displaced Iraqis, and maybe checked to see if he thought that nearly 4,000 dead troops was an indication that things were “going well”.

Okay.  That guy had balls to come on the show and end it with a joke.  I don’t agree with him or what he stands for, but at least we see someone from that camp who doesn’t come across as a total dedicated fool.

#95056 by mary

I’m still amazed at how the neoCONS will “use” every media outlet

So if a Leftist appears on a news or entertainment program, would you apply the scare-quotes? Or is giving equal time to those with views different from your own somehow illegitimate and threatening to you?

Wouldn’t, say, Dennis Kucinich, “use” media outlets as well?

I get the sense that in your world view, the media ought to be reserved to disseminate your party line, and yours only, and not as a vehicle for a free exchange of ideas.

After all, ideas can be dangerous, especially when they challenge what you hold so near and dear, no matter how wrong you might be.

How very “Progressive” of you.

I enjoy Jon Stewart and his show, however I wish he would hit these guys a little harder.  Can’t you just feel the storm brewing over an Iran attack.  I’m still amazed at how the neoCONS will “use” every media outlet, mostly unchallenged, to sell their agenda.  If they can weezle these guys onto a popular show lke this, they will beat their war drums until they get us into Iran, too much oil to walk away from…...

Jon Stewart is a great guy, but sometimes he’s too nice to creeps, but I guess that’s how he can get them on his show. Quite a balancing act, really.

Well, at least we get to hear that Kristol is already hot for the next invasion.