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Posted on Aug 8, 2007

Miss Tuesday night’s AFL-CIO Democratic debate?  Or just want to relive the magic?  Well, either way, you’re in luck—John Harrison at has put together a blow-by-blow video montage and summary for your viewing and reading pleasure.

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By Douglas Chalmers, August 11, 2007 at 6:16 am Link to this comment

Wow, I haven’t seen so many shallow video clips since Chad Vader got as job at the local store. Pity that whoever edited the debate couldn’t have split them into one for each candidate - it would have been a lot easier to review. Or is that on the net somewhere already???

By the way, Hillary is already starting to look like the Chinese empress Cixi…..
Quote Wiki: “...She was a powerful and charismatic figure who became the de facto ruler of the Manchu Qing Dynasty, ruling over China for 47 years.  She exercised almost total control over the court under the nominal rule of her son and her nephew both of whom attempted to rule unsuccessfully in their own right…”

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By Frank Cajon, August 10, 2007 at 10:00 pm Link to this comment

Pondersome: I’ve only been on the board for six weeks. I have been seeing far more of Gore Vidal than Kucinich, and in checking back five months of archived articles I found nada with Kucinich, but I take your word for it, after having three shots of Clinton on the home page at one time recently in a two week period, two running almost side by side. To be fair, the other Demo candidates (not just Kucinich) are also unseen in caption photos. I must confess that I am NOT a Clinton supporter and would rather this board not give so much home page space to her mug. Especially atop the article about ACORN’s grass-roots efforts to restore a political voice to the economically disadvantaged. Of all the declared candidates, she is the most elitist.

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By pondersome, August 10, 2007 at 5:11 pm Link to this comment
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Hi Frank - Dennis has actually featured a number of times on this site including an interview which (if my mind serves me correctly) included a top-of-site photograph for a couple of days. I think Dennis is getting fairer coverage here than on 99.9% of other weblogs out there.

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By Frank Cajon, August 9, 2007 at 8:18 pm Link to this comment

Well, there is a first, on two fronts: A TruthDig story about anything having to do with Democrats WITHOUT Billary Clinton’s picture captioned at the top, and one WITH Dennis Kucinich’s. Let me temper my enthusiam by again saying that this is a token gesture. Everyone knows that Kucinich is an idea candidate, a candidate with no financial support or name recognition outside the party, etc. I am not a Kucinich true believer but he is the only guy in the bunch who isn’t a Republican by another name. It’s nice that before he disappears in the primaries that Truthdig had the sense to ONCE put his image where they put Clinton’s all the time, on the home page of this board.

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By Scott in Nova Scotia, August 9, 2007 at 6:47 pm Link to this comment
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From up here, where we’ve been looking south with horror for the past six years (it might be more true to say “looking south with horror for the past 27 years”—Reagan began the neocon revolution that was abetted by H. W. AND Bill Clinton, and now crowned triumphant by Bush/Cheney), we wonder whether there will be any sort of groundswell—big or small—in support of the only sane, reasonable, honest, and earnest candidate among the lot: Dennis Kucinich.
If there is no positive response to Dennis’s positive ideas and his dire warnings against current political directions down there, we will more than fear for the future of your democracy: we will mourn it.

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By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, August 9, 2007 at 4:57 pm Link to this comment

I think we should elect someone handpicked by Bush and Cheney.  Like addiction, change can only happen after rock bottom is reached and acknowledged.  Putting a Bushie in there one more time is likely to hasten that day when people will realize they’ve lost their democracy and will mobilize to take it back.  A BUSHIECLONE IN 2008!!!!!

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By Meg, August 9, 2007 at 7:23 am Link to this comment
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Kuchinic consistently gives an answer with substance. He has a history of this. Who says we don’t consider him a frontrunner? I live in a so-called blue state and work with and go to church with many liberal Democrats. Yet, I have not met a single Democrat who does not make a bad face when Hillary’s name is mentioned.

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By Jaded Prole, August 9, 2007 at 5:24 am Link to this comment
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Kucinich and Edwards and Gravel are the only candidates that aren’t trapped in the paradigm of a corrupt corporatocracy and have anything that matters to offer. Should the Dims run Clinton or Obama, I think we should unite behind an alternative. The idea that any Democrat is better than any Republican has been disproven too many times to recount.

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By Outraged, August 9, 2007 at 2:45 am Link to this comment

Seemed to me that Dodd, Clinton and Biden we’re playing this “experience is best” off each other.  I thought it made them all look arrogant.  It appeared planned and gave them the persona of the “good ol’ boys” club.  All three gave Obama the “shame on you” finger wiggle, while making implications about what Obama had said rather than addressing what he’d actually said.  Although out of the three, I thought Dodd portrayed himself as the most honest.  But, I haven’t checked out what he’s done yet so, it’s anybody’s guess.

I thought Kuchinch and Edwards appeared the most likely to attempt change.  Obama came through as mediocre, like he was having a bad night. It seemed like Biden and Dodd already felt they we’re “out of the game” and had decided to help puff up the Clinton campaign.

Obama, Kuchinich, Edwards and Clinton appeared to be in the race.  While Clinton handled herself well for appearances sake, she didn’t seem to answer questions directly at all.  She gave the impression of I’ll help you, but I gotta help my “buddies” first.  But I didn’t sense that from Edwards, Obama or Kuchinich.

I think any combination of these three would be the best P/VP ticket, if your serious about change.  I would add Clinton in the mix but I don’t sense she wants to work with ANY of the other three, in any capacity.  Well, that’s my take.  We have time yet and don’t have to make any hasty decisions. Well….aside from making sure the neocons don’t blow up the world before we get to Nov 08.

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By DennisD, August 8, 2007 at 9:35 pm Link to this comment
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Other than Kucinch what have we got - just more Demchiks who are afraid to bite the hands that feed them. Empty suits and skirts all. The WTO, NAFTA, CAFTA, SHAFTA, etc. all have to go. They didn’t bring other countries people’s standard of living up as advertised, they lowered ours. But that’s the usual D.C. way of thinking when something has been proven not to work, keep it anyway because it is working just the way the corporations intended it too.

I agree with 911Truthdotorg, a Kucinch/Paul or Gravel for that matter ticket would be a true change. Why even vote for anyone else. The rest have that lipstick on a pig appearance and we’ve been there and done that before.

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By 911truthdotorg, August 8, 2007 at 8:19 pm Link to this comment

If we don’t elect either Dennis Kucinich or Ron Paul, we are truly screwing ourselves. I’d like to see a Kucinich/Paul ticket or vice versa.

They’re the only ones who will undo what the bush crime family has done to this country.  Our only hope.

Google videos: 9/11 Press for Truth, Loose Change 2nd Edition, America: Freedom to Fascism

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By omop, August 8, 2007 at 5:40 pm Link to this comment

The 15 year veteran of “fighting the right wingers” Ms. Hillary claims she’s doing falls somewhere between 2007 and 1970’s something.

During those years she spent

16 years as Mrs Governor in Arkansas.
  8 years as Mrs. President.
  12 years as Mrs. Senator.

The best place to fight “right-wingers” is either from a Governor’s Mansion; the White House or the US. Senate. Regardless of her claim the facts are that Hillary Clinton has been living high on the taxpayers/hogs for the past 36 years.

That beats the number of years Vladimir Putin has been living high on the Russian hogs. If Hillary the “fighter” gets to be President and is re-elected that would lamost equal five decades of living high.

Add the number of Bush [father and son] years 20 to the 44 years of the Clintons and the US voter would have been living for 64 years under the two most luckiest dudes in the entire world living at the right time in the right place amongst the most easily bamboozled people in the world.

Is this some form of Kabballah curse?

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By ib, August 8, 2007 at 5:01 pm Link to this comment
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No matter which you like or not - it makes you proud to listen to candidates discussing actual issues

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By GB, August 8, 2007 at 4:31 pm Link to this comment
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Dennis Kucinich clearly has the most constructive plans to lift America out of the dark age Bush and Cheney have created.
The other Democratic candidates at this event would be better than having a Rebublican president but not much more.
We not only need a President who wants to strengthen the working class and make education and health care available to all but we also need a president who will burst the bubble of lies that allow Bush and Cheney to use fear and war mongering that makes this country less secure.

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