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Posted on Jul 13, 2007
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Keith Olbermann and Michael Moore move the “SiCKO” discussion into the meaningful hows and whens of fixing the system by shooting past the CNN media controversy.

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By Louie, July 19, 2007 at 9:46 am Link to this comment
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Well Ernest Canning, it’s quiet a shame you didn’t finish watching Pinky. As with many unjustifiable things that have happened in this country, there wasn’t a single act that pushed our healthcare system to the point where it is today. Maybe you feel uncomfortable with the idea that both Republicans and Democrats have had a hand in this. The 15-minute Pinky piece is not meant to be a substitute, but tells the same story in a different way. BTW, did you notice the day the video was posted.

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By walt, July 19, 2007 at 8:15 am Link to this comment
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Dear Friends,
You all do understand that the issue at hand is Health Care? It’s critically important to around 50 million Americans who have no insurance ... and beyond critical to the 18,000 the AMA estimates die each year for lack of access or preventative care.
I keep getting these e-mails from TruthDig that someone has posted a comment on a subject I was interested in. But all I get is two guys bitching at one another. This is of no interest to me or anyone. Is this what you seriously want to be saying about all this? This is crazy. Go find a (chat) room!

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By nf, July 19, 2007 at 7:14 am Link to this comment

Thanks Ernest, its been almost a day since you last reminded everyone of your superior intellect.  You got me so concerned that I went out and took an IQ test.  I am happy to report that I passed.

Oh, that intellectual interaction that you’re looking for, why don’t you go out and get a dog to talk to,  perhaps it’ll listen and not talk back. Oh, excuse me, I forgot, you already have that puppy, you call him Ardee don’t you ?

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By cann4ing, July 18, 2007 at 5:54 pm Link to this comment

nf, the reason your comments are annoying is that they are inane.  You have yet to post a single word that I would perceive as rising to the level of an intellectual challenge.  I would enjoy an interaction with someone against whom I would have to actually exercise some gray matter. 

As I told you elsewhere, no one at Truthdig had any idea how ignorant you are until you began to post.  Frankly you have displayed the knowledge and insight of a gnat.  You remain a poster in dire need of an education, a point you underscored when you said that Olbermann & Moore are annoying.

As far as dealing with contrary views.  In my profession, law, I deal with that every day.  I have never been troubled dealing with a contrary view that eminates from a superior intellect.  It’s just that, at this stage in life, I have grown intollerant of the willfully ignorant who refuse to broaden their tiny little minds even when a bibliography is handed to them.

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By nf, July 18, 2007 at 5:26 pm Link to this comment

loveinatub,

I’m trying to be helpful.  You want Moore to be out front representing the left ?  Be prepared to continue losing.  Politics today is a contest of personalities. Unfortunate but true. Abrasive, in your face, condescending attitude (Gore, Kerry) loses all the time. Those who vote and decide elections want to like those they vote for. Keep Obama away from Moore, he’ll do better for it. Good grief, Gore couldn’t even beat an alcoholic with a DWI in his past.

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By loveinatub, July 18, 2007 at 4:33 pm Link to this comment

I’m sorry nf but your comments about Moore and Olbermann I found more annyoing!

What is distateful about Moore? That he speaks to truth to power? That he dares to challenge the status-quo?  Why is it you can’t respect Moore?

You don’t even come close to making a valid claim about why these two individuals shouldn’t be watched or listened to. You’re like so many other complacent, right-wing Americans. If it’s one thing this country needs less of, it’s people like you!

<Can’t you find anyone else to speak for these issues. Olbermann and Moore are 2 of the most annoying and distasteful people on the planet. If people see them coming they run the other way.  Try to find someone like the late Jack Valenti, or Tom Brokaw or Colin Powell or Jack Welch or Tony Snow. People have to like and respect who they listen to.>

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By nf, July 18, 2007 at 12:32 pm Link to this comment

Ernest,

I am so sorry that I am annoying to you, perhaps your discomfort is caused by questions and points of view that make you think. If you don’t want to hear opposing points of view just hang out with those that agree with you. The ensuing conversations and posts will so interesting I’m sure. Yes, yes, yes, yes Ernest you’re so right .....

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By cann4ing, July 17, 2007 at 10:42 pm Link to this comment

nf, Olbermann and Moore are not the two most annoying people on the planet.  Anyone who would want that title would have to line up behind you.

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By cann4ing, July 17, 2007 at 7:19 pm Link to this comment

Well, Louie, I stopped listening to the Pinky the Cat (health care 101 video) the moment it started regurgitating the propaganda about managed care when it was first advanced in the 70s.  The true purpose was revealed in Sicko! when Erlichman met with Nixon to discuss Kaiser’s proposal for providing less care for higher profits, and the next day Nixon went before the American people to advance the same canards about cost containment.  Sorry, but I don’t see the Pinky the Cat cartoon as an improvement on Sicko!

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By nf, July 17, 2007 at 6:46 pm Link to this comment

Louie,  That is a well done piece, and more informative than Olbermann or Moore.

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By Louie, July 17, 2007 at 4:34 pm Link to this comment
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You don’t like Keith or Michael, huh? Well maybe you’ll like the non-aggressive stylings of Pinky the Cat? Check out this very well done piece.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XlPU5rUeI0&NR=1

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By nf, July 17, 2007 at 1:51 pm Link to this comment

Can’t you find anyone else to speak for these issues. Olbermann and Moore are 2 of the most annoying and distasteful people on the planet. If people see them coming they run the other way.  Try to find someone like the late Jack Valenti, or Tom Brokaw or Colin Powell or Jack Welch or Tony Snow. People have to like and respect who they listen to.

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By d.alon, July 17, 2007 at 9:54 am Link to this comment
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I, for one, will be voting for Dennis Kucinich in the primary.  He’s the only candidate that wants the changes needed to counteract 8 years of far-right corporate cronyism and extremism.  All of the “mainstream” candidates are mainstream only because industry met their asking price.  Which, of course, is the the biggest problem to begin with. 

Yes, if Kucinich won the nomination, he would most likely get mauled in the general election by some brainless, cash-stuffed suit(s), but I’m not falling for the old “he could never win in the general election” argument again.  While it is probably true, we have to start somewhere.  At least I can say I did the right thing. 

The Clintons are centrists, if not center-right, and Hillary has already showed that she can be bought and sold. Obama has shown that he’ll galdly play by the corporate “rules” in exchange for the booty. At the end of the day, nothing changes but the slogans and the political theater, and all the while, we continue to be misinformed, manipulated, cheated, robbed, poisoned, and caged.

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By walt, July 17, 2007 at 6:48 am Link to this comment

Ernest, OK but you missed my point. It’s precisely all those positions that create these splintering issues. No candidates. No platforms. No complex agendas. Just one issue: Health Care For All ... Now.
It’s a momentum-building issue that only Liberals (I still call us that) could drive. Set aside your feelings about Corporatism for a minute. Do you have any idea how many businesses large and small would support Universal Health Care? It’s the major competitive disadvantage they face in the global marketplace. We need to build a national movement again and includes more than “us.”

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By cann4ing, July 16, 2007 at 8:59 pm Link to this comment

Walt, what would really change things up in Washington would be polls showing a massive shift to the only candidate who stands with the American people on single-payer, on repealing NAFTA and the WTO, on restoration of the Fairness Doctrine and a roll back on the conglomerated corporate consolidation over media, who introduced articles of impeachment against the war criminal who occupies the position of vice president.  If We the People flock to the Kucinich campaign, the corporatists masquerading in Congress as Democrats will sit up and take notice.  Until then, they will not have the time to spend legislating on behalf of We the People.  They are too busy rounding up corporate campaign contributions and kissing up the the military industrial complex.

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By atheo, July 16, 2007 at 9:30 am Link to this comment

Jaqueline,

CNN just mentioned that Cindy is going to be on tonight at 7 PM on the west coast and at 10 PM on the east coast (the Jewish former mayor of New York - Ed Koch - is going to be on talking about the war for Israel aspect in his new book..). Will smoke screen the issue, I would assume.. These Israel first types have been rattled by the Mearsheimer/Walt paper and are really worried about the Mearsheimer/Walt book coming out this September, so they are apparently trying pre-emptive strike action against it before it comes out..

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By GB, July 16, 2007 at 8:12 am Link to this comment
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atheo,
You’re right. I stand corrected. Ron Paul is the most and only vocal Republican candidate on the issue of false flags. Bush claimed he would reduce the size of government but actually porked it out by over 30% with incompetent directors and giving huge subsidies to corporations who are already making huge profits while leaving the less fortunate to scrounge for scraps. Paul also wants to scale that back. I beleive a better use of those subsidy dollars could be used for the 40 million Americans not having health care and I think acquiring and registering a gun should be a more serious process. For me, Paul, Kucinich, and Gravel working together would air out alot of dirty laundry in our country and save innocent lives.

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By walt, July 16, 2007 at 3:20 am Link to this comment
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A great clip - Moore has never been better. But at the end, look at Moore’s face when Keith asks, “What’s it going to take to get the Democrats to act?” There’s a kind of worried look that crosses his brow. He says things like writeyour elected officials, go down to their offices ...” Huh? No wonder he looked worried. What good will that do? They get thousands of letters that staffers read, count and file and they are never in their offices because they are always out raising money from donors or doing dinner with lobbyists.

But imagine what would happen if one day thousands of Americans all over the country marched in the streets with one thing to say: Health Care for All.

Not every issue that bugs us. Not Corporatism. Not even Iraq or Planet Earth. Just Health Care. If this one issue can have an impact we can then go on to other issues.

Further imagine that the spokespeople who got in front of the media did not represent every imaginable progressive issue (nit picking?) but they all just focused on this one thing? Imagine we’d never see the “usual suspects” that show up at every rally and scream into the mics … the ones the media love to show to make us all look nuts, or disorganized, or nit pickers.

What if the spokespeople were just people: patients denied care, doctors, nurses, etc. who want change, kind of a live action version of Moore’s movie?

Hey what if there were no spokespeople at all, but just hundreds of thousands of Americans, no mics, no stars, no agenda, nothing for the media to cover except long shots of a million people demanding health care.

I live part-time in Turkey and just saw this happen this spring: Hundreds of thousands of ordinary people in Ankara, Izmir, Istanbul and other cities took to the streets and marched over a few weeks. There were a few speeches but they all said the same thing: No to fundamentalism. Yes to democracy and freedom. The politicians heard it and responded. It forced elections. The world noticed.

So Moore was on the right path, but oddly didn’t go far enough. It is about people, not politicians. Sure they are hedging their bets because they can’t get a handle on what Americans really want. Yes they want out of Iraq but how? Yes they think heath care’s a mess but what do we want done about it?

And yes they do want to get elected. They all do. So they are careful. Help them over their anxiety. Show them that there are a lot of us and that we are not divided over “nit picking” side bar issues that the media and Rove rely on to divide us and make us appear less powerful or relevant. Show them millions in major cities who this time just want one thing: Health Care. For Everyone.

Then tackle Iraq. There’s a lot of work to do.

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By Jacqueline Grice, July 15, 2007 at 10:11 pm Link to this comment
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Cindy Shehan was aware that in being a soldier, her son would be called upon to give the ultimate for his country. She’s OUTRAGED that her sons life was wasted because of a LIE! And she’s not the only one. I live right outside Ft.Bragg and many will tell you (off the record) that they resent risking their lives for nothing, and why are they on their third and fourth deployments if “Mission Accomplished” was announced THREE YEARS AGO!

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By atheo, July 15, 2007 at 4:50 pm Link to this comment

GB,
Ron Paul has actually spoken out on the danger of false flag attacks in a way that Kucinich and Gravel still have not.

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By Tim McHugh, July 15, 2007 at 11:50 am Link to this comment
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Q: (Olbermann) How does that [change] happen if, of all the presidential candidates, only Congressman Kucinich is flat out for a non-profit, single-payer system?

A: Vote for Dennis Kucinich. He’s the only one that gets it.

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By GB, July 15, 2007 at 10:29 am Link to this comment
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atheo,
Great post! This is another issue most Democrats are afraid of. Most people are concerned about being attacked by terrorist but they fail to realize we have already been attacked by our own politicians with fear on a much larger scale that boggles logical minds with devistating results.
We need real leadership. It’s not Clinton, Obama, or Edwards and its definately not any Repulican.
Protection is something Americans will always have. We spend more on military than the rest of the world combined. We are vulnerable because we allow rhetoric and war profiteering to look like security.

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By Bill Blackolive, July 15, 2007 at 9:40 am Link to this comment
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Probably Olberman, like Michael and he talks with Michael, is getting inklings and hints of the 911 coverup.  It will be more interesting by and by.

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By atheo, July 15, 2007 at 9:29 am Link to this comment

An obvious, common sense
question that no one will answer

Michael Moore, the maker of “Sicko” and “Fahrenheit 911,” has been widely criticized for his apparent lack of interest in examining the details of the 9/11 cover story.

This may have been the case in the past, but things have clearly changed. In this short video, Moore asks an obvious common sense question that no one seems to be able to answer:

“Why can’t we see the Pentagon videos from 9/11?”

The Pentagon is surrounded by dozens of video security cameras and yet except for one useless clip, none of this footage has ever been released. Why not?

What struck the Pentagon on 9/11? Whatever it was it failed to leave the wreckage of an airliner.

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/123.html

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By GB, July 15, 2007 at 9:05 am Link to this comment
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Marshall,
I hold anyone high who beleives diplomacy before destruction.
Take a look at what is going on now.
What Cindy Sheehan is doing is bringing the message to the foreground that the Democrats have   impeachment off the table for a presidency that is destroying our country, Iraq, and our world standing. That is no better than complicity.
I’m not saying she is a statesmen or that she would or wouldn’t call out the gaurds if we were attacked but one thing is for sure I don’t see any Democratic candidate other than Dennis Kucinich trying to reverse the destruction Cheney and Bush have made.
Cindy Sheehan has shown alot of courage and speaks more clearly on these problems than most politicians I have heard. Nancy Pelosi just dances around Bush and in the end of each dance gives away the farm.

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By Marshall, July 14, 2007 at 10:25 pm Link to this comment

#86852 by GB on 7/14 at 7:38 am

GB - Cindy Sheehan may be gutsy, but she’s far from bright.  She’s also a pacifist - not the kind that avoids military conflict while understanding the necessity of defending one’s self, but the kind that categorically rules out conflict under any circumstances, even direct attack.  How someone intellectually justifies this kind of position is beyond me (in her case, I suspect it’s grief), but you might consider that before you hoist her too high on a pedistal.

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By cann4ing, July 14, 2007 at 10:44 am Link to this comment

Dale, the corporations have a huge monetary advantage, access and control over media and a good slice of the political branches of government.  But Moore has the great equalizer—truth!

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By GB, July 14, 2007 at 8:38 am Link to this comment
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Mr. Mooree is most intelligent, perceptive and courageous.

Aren’t there more like this in America?

vet240,
Yes, there are. One is Cindy Sheehan. She has bravely faced the right wing lying machine just to get Bush to tell her and our country what is the real reason we are destroying Iraq.
Now, she has given a challenge to Nancy Pelosi to put impeachment back on the table or she will run against her in ‘08 as an independent. The media really wants to ignore this. Even Truthdig hasn’t posted this story that I know of.
Also, Dennis Kucinich is doing all he can to warn our country of the ills Cheney and Bush have created but the media has been doing a good job of ignoring him and attempting to make him look invalid as a leader when in fact he is the most qualified because he is not beholden to any corporate entity.
Ironic isn’t it.
How much political abuse and propaganda will Americans take before we prop up the people with our best interests at heart?

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By Dale Headley, July 14, 2007 at 12:31 am Link to this comment
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Let me see: on one side are the multi-billion dollar corporations with a stake in continuing the war and in denying health care to Americans.  On the other side is Michael Moore.  Sounds like a fair fight, to me.  So, George Tenet and Paul Bremer, both of whom failed abjectly at their jobs, received the Medal of Freedom.  What does Michael Moore get?  Hatred from the rich and powerful and their minions in the media.

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By cann4ing, July 13, 2007 at 10:45 pm Link to this comment

How pleasing to hear someone in the corporate media state that the “only” candidate to support single payer is Dennis Kucinich.  Now, if only the people of this country would put two and two together and begin to understand that they need to “vote” for the only candidate who represents their interests.

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By vet240, July 13, 2007 at 5:27 pm Link to this comment

Oh I know.
All the people like Moore have been coopted into the Drug industry, the HMO’s, the Insurance companies or are consultants in the Lobby business in DC!!!

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By vet240, July 13, 2007 at 5:19 pm Link to this comment

Mr. Mooree is most intelligent, perceptive and courageous.

Aren’t there more like this in America?

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