#76697 by Billy the Dik on 6/09 at 3:57 pm

Asking the Monitors to censor us all?
It’s ironic that Point Blank only believes in Freedom of speech when it concerns him.

Point Blank

You say men laid down their lives for freedom. 
What did the 3500 troops in Iraq lay down their lives for?  Not oil.  Heaven forbid, that would be too obvious.  And of course Enron had nothing to do with designing Bush’s Energy Policy.  Hallibuton have not made Billions off the back of a “no bid” contract.  And the Earth is flat and only 6000 years old.

Do you really think Dick Cheney and the Neocons gives a damn about soldiers lives?  EVEN YOUR LIFE?
You are nothing to Dick cheney but a number.

You judge a tree by the fruit it bears.  And this rabble in the Whitehouse has been bearing grenages since the day they took office. 

I don’t know whether to pity you for your naivety or be sickened by it.

point blank:

Why don’t you just sit this one out, you have long crossed the line into inappropriate.  You can’t argue any of the facts some of us have presented to you, and you are making yourself look worse and worse, to the point that i’m embarrased for you now.

Sour grapes point blank.  You were repeatedly proven wrong, so you resort to name calling.  You are making yourself look pathetic and have lost any shred of credibility and dignity in anything you say.

Please leave the adult talk to the adults.

to point blank:

what, no rebuttal for my question?  All you can do is spout something about a masters?  No way you have a masters if you can’t understand basic economics as i have tried to explain to you. 

Your parents should really moniter your time on the computer because you should spend some more time hitting the books and finishing middle school.

Point Blank

If it’s true then we dont need to worry about Dick Cheney and Halliburton KBR screwing the Troops. 

Do we?  DO WE?

You want to bury your head in the toilet and cheerlead for Cheney and Bush, their rich friends and those Fat Cat Lobbyists then do it.  Just don’t expect this Regular Joe to act blind to all the self-serving crooks running the country.

Gad Damn Rum Runners.

We been found out, boys. Better pull out the Teamster Pension Fund if we can’t control American oil any more.

to point blank:

You said you would answer both quetions(there were three actually, but all were asking the same thing) with one answer, but you gave me three(can you seriously do math?), and they were all wrong, i’m sorry.

Cheaper to import? 

You do know that the price of oil per barrel is the same all over the world, right?

So what you’re saying is that it is cheaper to buy a barrel of oil from the persion gulf for $65, pay for it to be shipped to the US, then pay taxes and duties on that barrel, than it is to buy a barrel of oil for $65 within your own country, thus avoiding the shipping, taxes and duties on that barrel?  Did you follow that?

Thats like me saying,"You know, I really feel like eating a gallon of Ben & Jerry’s ice cream, but to save money, i’m not gonna walk to the corner store to get it, i’m gonna drive into the next state, buy it there for the same price, and then drive it back home to eat it because that will be cheaper.”

I use ice cream as an example, point blank, because judging by your apparant education level and logic, you probably really like ice cream.

#76391 by Point Blank on 6/08 at 2:36 pm

The Unions have a hold on American Oil Fields?  And there I was thinking Corporate American had a strangle hold on the country. 
It was a bunch of Teamster Unions all along.

Funnyman turned cheerleader?  I never thought he was funny

to point blank:

I am not debating with you, because you are wrong.  You didn’t answer the one question I asked, which the answer of would explain exactly why you are wrong. So I’ll ask it again.

Why has the US been a net-importer of oil for the last 30+ years? 

Why do we rely on imported oil if we have so much of our own?

How did the US go from the world’s largest oil exporter in the 20’s and 30’s, to the world’s largest importer today? 

Simple questions which have simple answers.  For someone living in a state of ignorant bliss, they might be hard to answer, as they have been for you. 
I live in reality, and choose to deal with the real problems we face using fact, logic and reason.

You apparantly have an answer but seem to be unwilling to share it with us.  Why is that?  So please, point blank, answer the question i posed to you (in three different ways no less this time so that you truly understand what i am asking you), and give me fact.  I wouldn’t go throwing numbers around if I didn’t know they were fact, so please dignify my question with real truth, not opinion.

I know you won’t be able to, your petty name calling exposes your inability to muster up any kind of debatable material, but please give it a try.

to point blank:

I am not wrong about the oil still in the ground in the US.  Why would the US be a net importer for the last 30+ years?  Do you even understand what that means?  Those are the facts.  I do my research, now you do yours and prove me wrong.

to mike mid-city:

We are all shameless for standing by while our troops are used as pawns in this illegal war for oil.  Oh, and be prepared for this illegal war for oil to continue, no matter who gets elected into office.

to mlevass comment #75802:

Your comments about the state of the US oil industry are almost all completely wrong, dilusional even.

When you say that the US has ‘plenty’ of oil in its fields and reserves, you are dead wrong.  The last major oil discovery in the US was the alaskan oil slopes in the late 60’s.  US oil production peaked shortly thereafter in december 1970, at 10.2 million barrels/day.  Now, The US struggles to produce just over 6 million barrels/day.

Internationally, the last big oil finds were also in the late sixties, the Hata field in Saudi Arabia, and in the north sea off the UK coast.  Thats it, there have been no more significant finds like those since.

The US consumes 25% of the worlds oil.  The US has been a net importer of oil for the last couple of decades, because the US oil fields are tapped out.  It has not been possible for US production to come even close to its consumption.

Also, both the UK and Indonesia, which for the past few decades have been net exporters of oil, are set to become net importers as well, THIS YEAR.

Another thing you should know, oil reserves are essentially imaginary numbers, set by oil companies to determine how much they are permitted to refine in a fiscal year.  These numbers ARE NOT accurately tracked by any international body.

From WWII to Darfur, Africa, ALL wars and conflicts in the 20th century, and now in Iraq, are directly over oil.

Iraq is the last remaining place where there is the most undiscovered, under-produced oil in the world.  THAT IS WHY THE US IS IN IRAQ.  Not for the spread of democracy, not to search for WMD’s, and not to snuff out al qaeda. 

I say again, the US is in iraq for the oil, plain and simple.  Thats why there will be no troop withdrawl.  It is estimated that there is 21 trillion dollars in oil in iraq, so wether the US spends 2 trillion or 10 trillion on the war, the bottom line is that financial profits are there to be made.

So go ahead and continue waving your flag worshiping God and Country, WHAT WE REALLY WORSHIP IS OIL.

#75834 by Point Blank on 6/06 at 2:21 pm
#75831 by Billy the Dik on 6/06 at 1:53 pm

Gentlemen - There is no point to this name calling and threats.  There is a deadly serious point to all this discussion which extends beyond individual egos.
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#75822 by mlevass on 6/06 at 12:59 pm

Have you even seen what the price of Halliburton stock, before and after the Invasion of Iraq?  And that’s just one piece of evidence.  I assume the WMD is now moved to Syria - Iran - Libya.  Just about everywhere that Halliburton and Lockheed Martin can make money, that’s is where trouble will start.
Pity all those NSA Spy satellites never picked up the movement from “North, South, East, and West of Tikrit,” as that Neocon, Donald Rumsfeld said. 

Where once politicians used hope, they now use Fear to keep people in line.  Remember, the US economy is just about dominated by the Military Industrial Complex.  Corporate America has the people of America practically enslaved, and they don’t even know it.  Wal-Mart plastic - glow in the dark - Jesus figurines, bullets and camoflage clothes are not my idea of prosperity.  That sounds more like desperation and despair in a post-industrial America.

Back on topic:

I find the motivations of these two tools to be interesting.  O’Reilly will do anything for ratings, and Miller has become a panicking soccer mom.

Miller is the worst example of an American selling out his fundamental freedoms for the sake of a little falsely perceived safety.  I used to enjoy Dennis Miller, but he slowly started turning pathetic during the waning years of his HBO show.  He’s more concerned about making the world childproof than about reality.  In the final analysis, he is an extreme example of how 9/11 has brought out the fearful worst in some of us.

Thankfully, his relevance has severely diminished.  His audience has dwindled, his hair has thinned and his pseudo-intellectual references have turned stale.  He’s a pretentious twit who has nothing but contempt for the freedoms that made his career possible.

#75834 by Point Blank on 6/06 at 2:21 pm
#75831 by Billy the Dik on 6/06 at 1:53 pm

Gentlemen.  There is no point to this name calling and posturing.  There is a deadly serious point to all this discussion which extends beyond individual egos.
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#75822 by mlevass on 6/06 at 12:59 pm

Have you even seen what the price of Halliburton stock, before and after the Invasion of Iraq?  And that’s just one piece of evidence.  I assume the WMD now moved to Syria - Iran - Libya.  Just about everywhere that Halliburton and Lockheed Martin can make money, that’s is where trouble will start.
Pity all those NSA Spy satellites never picked up the movement from “North, South, East, and West of Tikrit,” as that Neocon, Donald Rumsfeld said. 

Where once politicians used hope, they now use Fear to keep people in line.  Remember, the US economy is just about dominated by the Military Industrial Complex.  Corporate America has the people of America practically enslaved, and they don’t even know it.

#75753 by mlevass on 6/06 at 8:22 am

Of course WMD can be found all over the world, if you look for it.  But assuming Iraq made sure it was well hidden or shipped off somewhere is the only reasonable argument?  After 4 Years of searching? 

Ambassador Joe Wilson couldn’t find any evidence of Yellow Cake, from Niger, was heading to Iraq.  The two or three mine shafts for Yellow Cake are so heavily regulated, no one can pull a fast one without the IAEA being alerted. And yet a mysterious documentfrom the Cheney office surfaces, stating just the opposite.  Ergo, Amb. Wilson is standing in the way of a big project.  And all of a sudden a CIA undercover agent is exposed.  Who just happens to be Amb. Wilson’s wife. Another coincidence of course.  One of many.

If we are looking for WMD, why not North Korea?  They say they have it. 

The only thing found in Iraq is a 100 Billion barrels of Oil.  Which, surprise surprise, is what Hallisburton KBR, Blackwater, Bectel, Lockheed Martin etc., were counting on.  Naturally, that thought never came into consideration for the ex-oil industry men of the Bush/Cheney crew. 

It’s just another one of those silly coincidences that Cheney will be paid Millions in defered payment by Halliburton - His old company. 

And what do the dead troops get?  SIX FEET OF EARTH and lip service about how much honour they have.

“Something is Rotten in the State of Denmark” Hamlet.

So, yes mlevass… Kudos to you too.

My experience, both Military and Civilian has taught me those who talk the talk never walk the walk.  Believe this.  Believe the following too about Dennis Miller, huge coward, all mouth, 1985, Budd Friedman’s Improv on Melrose Ave, he made a smart remark to lil ole me, I confronted him outside where he almost urinated himself and profusely apologized.  Fact.  No big deal, just a fact.

Its not been a well kept secret that Bill O’Reilly is a buffoon but just one in a long line of contemptible conservative pundits who are toxic to America.  Dennis Miller what a clown, doesn’t have a clue. Never was a good comedien, a failure as a football commentator ( in very good company there with the sociopathic Rush Limbaugh ) and still probably puts rubber sheets on his bed every night because he is pissing his pants everytime Cheney and Bush ring the bell on the Iraq and 9/11 conspirators.  I do love seeing these videos of O’Reilly but it so embarasses me that he has a Irish surname.  Shame on you Bill!  You moron!

is this a joke?

Dennis Miller has much in common with Mort Sahl, the 60’s comic who’s career was destroyed by his own delusional paranoia.  Both comedians, instead of depending on talent at being funny, use a bunch of big words and phrases that make them look intellectual and sardonic, when they really are neither.  And it doesn’t stop there.  Sahl, to this day, ignores the overwhelming evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald - alone- killed JFK, and he believes he’s smarter than the Warren Commission, Gerald Posner ("Case Closed"), and all the other legitimate investigators who studied the case in detail.  Miller, likewise, seems to know where the WMD are; still, he refuses to let the rest of us know.  Dennis Miller fakes intelligence to cover up the obvious fact that he is just not funny.  And Fox News is the perfect place for him.  Over there, they actually believe that “The Half Hour News Hour” is funny - not to mention Rush Limbaugh.

The CIA seems to have also “uncovered” their experiment with mind altering drugs are certainly working on Dennis Miller. This guy must have drank the cool aid, took the pill and lick the warts that covers bush’s ass. Whatever he’s done, he is certainly not functioning on all cylinders, because the only WMD Dennis needs to worry about being that close to bush’s ass is: W Might Doodoo.

#75288 by rowdy on 6/04 at 1:24 pm

Didn’t you hear?  They found cave paintings 6000 years old of stone age men and Dinosaurs, all over the world.  Which is interesting because they also found Neaderthals who looked like Dennis Miller.  They tamed and rode T-Rex and Allosaurus with a pack of wild Utah Raptors in trail. Titanosaurus was on the menu. 

Nasa got it wrong too.  The moon isn’t more than 6000 years old.  The stars are very close; fairy lights stuck to a giant black dome. And so Red Shift is a LIBERAL lie too.  As is Hubble, when it gazes at Galaxies millions of “Liberal” Light Years away.  And Why? Galaxies can’t be millions of light years away because that would mean the Universe would be millions of years old - at least.

When are we going to learn.  Every thing is fake about Darwin, Einstein, Newton.  The sound barrier is really a set of headphones.  Radio is magic.  Do not believe in Gravity.  Another Liberal lie.  Science and mathematics is for terrorists.  The only thing real is what TV celebrites tell you.  People like Dennis Miller, Pat Robertson and George Bush.

There is no evolution.  Only Intelligent design.  Liberty University have a diorama which clearly shows men and Dinosaurs.  It can only have been made with Intelligent Design.
And when it comes to Intelligent Design, you can see it on Dennis Miller’s face.

Wilmaaa!!!!

Dennis Miller is a little shmuck. That asshole is not even funny as a comedian. He should stick to what he knows, which isn’t much. He and O’reilly really make a pair, what morons!

SADDAM: Flawed US foreign policy come home to bite.

MILLER: Your brain on fear-n-loathing and money-come-too-easy.

O’REILLY: The inevitable crash-n-burn when you let Bush fly your plane.

AMERICA: Click, Start > Shut Down > Restart Your Culture.

“Glamorizing successful people is like cheering sports stars… you aren’t necessarily reveling the most talented, as you are the least injured.”

People like Dennis Miller, guys and gals at the FOX, and diehard the republicans live in the reality of their own. The are also adroit at making up things and outright lies to fool the public. They have no conscience, ethics or morality.

Dennis the warrior Miller is one of those people that reality is not even a distant cousin.He is obviously off his medication and should be institutionalized.One wonders what the 28% who think Pres Bush is doing a great job look like need look no further than the delusional Dennis Miller.

DENNIS MILLER should be given a fanfare send off to Bagdad, to begin the search for WMD.  I know the Troops, working and dying in Iraq, have failed, but DENNIS MILLER and his 9/11 Republicans will find it. It’s not like someone is asking him to prove a negative, so how difficult can it be?  I know he has far to much intelligence and Integrity to just use this Iraq war and the War on Terror to get on TV and milk this for the publicity.  So when is the new DENNIS MILLER Platoon getting ready for Mission WMD???  I was so impressed by his passion and commitment to his views.  PLEASE SHOW ME WHICH AIRPORT DENNIS MILLER WILL FLY FROM TO GO ON “WMD, MISSION IRAQ” SO I CAN GIVE THIS BRAVE MAN A WAVE.  I want DENNIS MILLER to go to IRAQ immediately to look for WMD becasue he knows something the CIA doesn’t.  Move over all you “Jack Ryans” and Ray McGoverns. 

Pro-Neocon Bushite BRUCE WILLIS tried to join the US Army but they wouldn’t let him.  He Should be on this “WMD, MISSION IRAQ” team too with DENNIS MILLER.  Since Bruce once offered a Million dollars to any soldier who caught Saddam, so he could punch him out, was denied that pleasure, he should be part of this crack commando raid.

Unlike those “evil” Liberals, Sean Penn and Tim Robbins who make rational arguments and risk their careers and reputations for speaking out against government abuse of power and demagoguery, long before it was considered convenient, hip or fashonable; this DENNIS MILLER and his 9/11 “Born Again” Republican crowd have been spewing sidewinders like “Blame it on the Liberals” with crass, over simplified, critiques.  An Endless waffle of pre-digested mumbo jumbo baby-talk, “feed the Inner Child,” telling the American public “They hate us for our Freedom”.  “Bring Democracy to the Middle East,” he says.  Yes, so long as it suits the interests of Corporate America.  Otherwise it’s a reversion back to the good old days of a compliant SOB dictator. 

It’s only by some Miracle and the Grace of God, after all these years, those pint sized peasant farmers of VIETNAM didn’t take revenge for the 3 MILLION killed by America.  Nobody ever says “Vietnam hates us for our Freedom”.  I think it speaks as much about American Narcissism as it does about Vietnamese civility.  This may have lulled DENNIS MILLER into some historical amnesia, assuming the rest of the world had forgotten that particular Vietnam Holocaust. They have not.

I have to mention the guts and shear decency of the average American Soldier and Sailor who tried to stop that senseless war of bully boy aggression, while still in uniform.  I wonder if DENNIS MILLER and his ilk would have shown such character?

Some of these people have no Shame in using this War On Terror (or even Katrina, for that matter) to self publicize.  No.  It’s just one of those lame, and not so subtle, excuses to appear Contoversial and incisive.  The new deep thinkers with the inside track on what’s going down, when in fact, it is just VANITY and hot air. He knows full well no one is going to make him go to Iraq and prove it.  There are no shortage of TV friendly 9/11 Republicans.  I think all this has more to do with RAISING their own public profile and careers than making rational sense out of the chaos that resulted from all this “Blow Back”.

The Bush Administration, of all people, admit they couldn’t find any WMD and screwed up.  Even the CIA warned Iraq could turn from a secular dictatorship, under Saddam, to a magnet for Al Queyda.  But DENNIS MILLER in his luxury home, and infinate wisdom, has all the answers. I WANT DENNIS MILLER TO GO TO IRAQ IMMEDIATELY TO LOOK FOR WMD.

The whole WMD question is a mute point. He had no desire or ability to deliver them ANYWHERE. The U.S. gave them to Saddamm in the first place, and even then, only to be used on Iran. He screwed it up and dumped them on the Kurds BY MISTAKE, which goes a long way to prove his lack of ability to use them. In the middle east, it’s been one long cold war ever since it got out that America has nukes in Israel. Anything that can be seen as an arms race in the middle east is the direct result of BLOWBACK caused by FAILED AMERICAN FOREIGN POLICY.

As for Dennic Miller… I think he’s working for AIPAC. He used to be funny.

Yeah, Dennis.  It is a hellish experience.  It’s a shame you don’t have to go through any of it since neither you nor your family have any one who actually have to go through that hell in Iraq.

Also, as better comedians have noted, if Iraq did have WMDs, wouldn’t they have used them when we invaded?

Dennis Miller needs to go have an MRI and take an MMPI Test. He is displaying severe brain disfunction of some sort.

He also probably believes in the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, and GOD. But believing in them doesn’t make it so. And when he says that “we” are suffering a hellish event I don’t see him in uniform and in Iraq. Would he care to explain how “he” is suffering?

Miller - you’re pathetic. The fact that it seem that you’re somewhat intelligent makes it even more so. Bu$h doesn’t even believe the WMD line anymore so unless you’re just trying to draw attention to yourself by yelling “fire” in a crowded theater - go home already.

as Chomsky has stated, it’s really amazing that they DIDN’T find any, because you can find the ingredients to make WMDs at your local highschool science lab.

Who’d have ever thought of Bill O’Reilly as a voice of reason??? 
I don’t know what happened to Dennis Miller. He used to be a funny, edgy comedian back in his SNL days but he has been just another right wing gasbag for the last decade.  He can “believe” whatever he wants to but the facts are against him.  The age old “faith vs. reason”.