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O’Reilly on America’s ‘Complexion’ Change

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Posted on Jun 1, 2007
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In this latest dispatch from the “No Spin Zone,” Bill O’Reilly frets with Sen. John McCain about the “legitimate fear” that undocumented workers and their “extended families” will infiltrate the U.S., setting off a domino effect that will “sink the Republican Party” and—“pardon the pun”—alter America’s “complexion” permanently.

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h/t to The Largest Minority.

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By Marshall, June 11, 2007 at 2:30 pm Link to this comment
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#77016 by carlito paquito on 6/11 at 8:53 am

Carlito - can you cite any actual figures on your claim of rampant oursourcing/offshoring?  These terms are thrown around a lot, but I’ve yet to see credible evidence supporting these claims.

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By carlito paquito, June 11, 2007 at 9:53 am Link to this comment
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Isn’t it a tad ironic these clowns sound off the very same alarms day in and day out, e.g. “they’re taking American jobs, blah, blah” It astounds me how logic escapes their rationale for Offshoring, Outsourcing, Unfair Trade Balance/Deficits,etc.,Take note of the magnatidue of jobs lost to China or does that count? Typical, let’s pick on the least of these.  A very big yawn.

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By Chaseme, June 11, 2007 at 8:53 am Link to this comment
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#76778 by Mike Mid-City: I wish I could relate fully to your point. Unfortunately, I can’t, but I do understand it.

I came to understand it after having a conversation with a white male friend who explained to me how white people are discriminated against.

He explained how people like O’Reilly; spout their racist views to other white people who do not share those views. He shared how uneasy and disgusting he feels when having these encounters.

One story was when his father owned a car repair shop and one contract he had was with the local police. When they would bring their cars in for repair, they would spout their racist views to his father.

After noticing how uncomfortable his father was, he decided to ask him why doesn’t he say anything? His father simply shows him the $10, 000.00 receipt and says, “He’s an idiot.”

So, Mike Mid-City, please don’t feel you need to apologize. Just know that you have been discriminated against…by an “Idiot.”

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By Marshall, June 8, 2007 at 5:24 pm Link to this comment
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#76181 by justanote on 6/07 at 4:51 pm

Thanks justanote.  I guess I’m not discerning enough tease the hidden meaning from your posts and I know I’m too lazy to go back and try.  I’ll simply say that if you have a clear point to make, go ahead and I’ll respond.  Otherwise, there’s probably no need for me to continue typing.  Your call.

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By justanote, June 7, 2007 at 5:51 pm Link to this comment
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Marshall -

“And really, no one is even talking about displacement here.” - quote by me
So displacement is not the “lesson.” You’re not facing the same danger as the natives. I was hoping you’d see some drastic differences…and similarities…ah well…You’ve got to reach a little deeper, and I know you have it in you.

I never said anything about racism from the perspective of minorities… I never termed anything racist. The only time you see “racist” in my post is from another person’s quote. Again, missing the point.

Some of your posts, and especially your position, are in response to a point that I actually never made.  The problem is you are projecting a point on me; one that you’re well “prepared” to object. In reality, your defense mechanism is causing you to respond to your own shadow. And that, sir, is an internal battle that I’ll never win alone.

Take a step back, and reflect for a moment on my words and your responses. I’m sure you’ll begin to see even the most subtle logical disconnects.

Ok I’m done. I’ve really enjoyed your display (not even facetiously) nevertheless, wisdom knows when to stop.

-Regards

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By Marshall, June 7, 2007 at 11:44 am Link to this comment
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I guess I am missing your point then, because your original post spoke at length about the native american perspective of being displaced, about “white Europeans” getting a “lesson” about displacement, and about “racism” from the perspective of a minority… and those are the points I responded to.  So I’m guessing you had another point that wasn’t actually stated in your post.  If you’d like to discuss that one, feel free to post it and I’ll respond.

“Good luck to us defending it.”

Exactly my intent - through supporting sane policy that controls immigration.

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By C.P.T.L., June 6, 2007 at 11:12 pm Link to this comment
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Jackasses allow Bill O’Reilly to name the topic and steer the dialog.

And yeah, that’s what I’m saying about McCain too.

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By justanote, June 6, 2007 at 7:36 pm Link to this comment
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Marshall,

I think you’re missing the point. But that’s ok. I understand wanting to live around people more like yourself. Most people do prefer being around people more like them. But there is a such thing as a minority. And believe it or not, minorities are human as well, and typically prefer to be around people like them as well. That’s why chinatown and stuff like that does well. The unfortunate thing is, you don’t always get what you want. And it’s not the end of the world. If whites ever become a minority, if it makes you feel better, you could move to eurotown. I’m not trying to be a jerk. I see that you don’t understand my point now, so there’s no need trying to beat a dead horse. Thus, I’ll end it with your quote, since it’s very appropriate -

“Since the history of civilization is simply an ongoing stream of occupation, intermixing and eviction, ownership is a pretty meaningless term - it all comes down to who’s on it now and whether they can defend it.” -Marshall

Good luck to us defending it.

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By Marshall, June 6, 2007 at 12:59 pm Link to this comment
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#75584 by justanote on 6/05 at 3:57 pm

I am aware of the history of the continent, and my point about Mexico not occupying the US is that “Mexico” didn’t exist until the 1800’s.  Prior to that, its various tribes, like most tribes in N. America, fought and conquered one another numerous times.  So you’d be hard pressed to pick any spot of land in the US and figure out which tribe can truly claim it as its own.  At some point, they’re all just homo-sapiens, as were the European “tribes” that later conquered and populated the continent to modern day.

Since the history of civilization is simply an ongoing stream of occupation, intermixing and eviction, ownership is a pretty meaningless term - it all comes down to who’s on it now and whether they can defend it.

Even Mexico is a mix of European and “native” peoples (with immigration laws FAR more strict and exclusive than our own).

So, since we’re now in control and have established borders and immigration laws, we must decide internally who gains entry and who doesn’t.  My reasons for wanting to prevent white Europeans from becoming the minority in the US are completely valid; I prefer to live among people more like me.  If I didn’t, perhaps I’d move to Mexico.  But I’m not.

So while you apparently feel that the descendents of white, western Europeans need some kind of a “lesson” about their displacement of native peoples, those distinctions just don’t make sense.  We own this place now and have every right to control it.

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By Chaseme, June 6, 2007 at 11:56 am Link to this comment
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bush said that his “base” are the “haves and the haves more”, not the rest of us oppressed Americans.

So, I would say this to those who feel that they are being OPPRESSED more than the other OPPRESSED people, if weren’t at the conference where bush addressed his “base”, you are all in the same category. Let’s stop trying to create a seperation among ourselves so that we can feel good about who we are, because we are all being manipulated and controlled by bush’s “base.”

Racism, Sexism, Classism, Immigartion issues, abortion issues, and all of the other ‘isms’ and issues that maintain infighting and seperation only aids the “base” to maintain power over the rest of us.

If you own the corporation, then you are his “base.” If you work for the motherf****rs, whether you are Black, White, Brown, Red, Yellow, Straight, Gay, Lesbian, Bi, Trans, Tall, Short, Fat, Skinny, Kinky hair, Straight hair, Middle-class, Lower-class, Upper-class, Brown eyes, Blue eyes, Green eyes, Blind, Deaf, Handicapped, Developed Mentally disabled, Old, Young, Middle aged, Home-owner, Homeless, Riding, Walking, Rolling; you are a slave, just like the rest of us.

So, get off your highhorse and you particular “Oppressed” issues and get your hands dirty by helping to break up the real Oppressors…bush’s “base.”

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By Fred Johnson, June 6, 2007 at 10:45 am Link to this comment
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Yes, the white male power elite finally fess up. I am just surprised they did it on national TV!

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By carlito paquito, June 6, 2007 at 10:11 am Link to this comment
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Two points.  Al Franken’s Lying Book on Bill O’Lielly. Has anyone Googled how the Tanning Salon business is a booming business? hmmm kind of says something. Can somone please get a copy of that court sealed sweet, hush, hush money Bill O’Lielly gave that female collegue of his a few years ago? Perhaps then folks will ignore Bill O’Lielly.

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By justanote, June 5, 2007 at 4:57 pm Link to this comment
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Marshall -

I was not directly referring to Mexicans occupying this country, but in fact Mexicans did occupy this country before it was a country. Some quick history:

During the 16th century, Mesoamerica consisted of much land that is now considered America and was inhabited by advanced Amerindian civilizations, ie Mayas, Aztecs. Parts of California, all of Texas, New Mexico, and parts of Nevada all belonged to Mexico at some point. And were all inhabited by Mesoamerican people. If you get a moment, check out the Mexican-American war. Not a very humane method of displacement btw.

And what polls suggest that blacks have political tensions with hispanics? The tension between blacks and hispanics is largely behind prison walls and has little to do with fear of being outnumbered.

Native Americans are called native because they were the first to settle this land. Are you familiar with the Bering Strait theory. This is probably the archeological evidence you refer to, which suggests that most indigenous peoples of the Americas descended from people who probably migrated from Siberia across the Bering Strait, anywhere between 9,000 and 50,000 years ago.[wikipedia] They split into the different tribes that inhabited North America during the pre-Columbian era.

BUT, if hypothetically speaking, there was a group here before that, would Native Americans still have their land rights? Good question, probably the same answer as “Do we?” If you feel like we have the right to be the majority in our land, then how could they not?

You say to me:
“Groups have always displaced other groups throughout history.  But to the extent that we can legally and humanely prevent ourselves from being displaced by latin immigrants, we have every right to do so.  No one’s suggesting we scalp them afterall.”

The rule to preventing being displaced is by doing it legally and humanely…according to whose standard of legality and humaneness? Did we legally and humanely displace the folks who preceded us? How could they have legally and humanely prevented their displacement? By drawing up a law to prevent any more boats from landing on the shores with their droves of armed colonists?

I like your judging statement about the “evil white man.” I never once called anyone evil, but a little theory in psychology called projection tells the story…

There’s stuff that I’ve dished out that I never want to come back, and that’s just me being human. No one is perfect. I’d be lying if I said that I ALWAYS treat others as they wish to be treated. But I tell you what, some lessons are a whole lot more effective when you get even just a bit of what you dish out. Myself included.

And really, no one is even talking about displacement here. No one will force you to live in an ever decreasing radius, after all. We’re all Americans, right? Do you think the country would suffer if white became a minority race? If minority races in the US are treated fairly now and are without institutionalized discrimination-based suffering, then why be afraid?

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By Marshall, June 5, 2007 at 11:44 am Link to this comment
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#75260 by justanote on 6/04 at 11:43 am

Justanote - Mexicans never occupied this country (even before it was a country).  You seem eager to see the evil white man get his comeuppance, even if it’s not from the original inhabitants they displaced.

And blacks DO care about the growing hispanic influence in the US.  Polls prove this, as do the many political power struggles and racial frictions between them.

And if you found that native Americans were NOT the first inhabitants of this land (as some archeological evidence suggests), would they still have their land rights?

Groups have always displaced other groups throughout history.  But to the extent that we can legally and humanely prevent ourselves from being displaced by latin immigrants, we have every right to do so.  No one’s suggesting we scalp them afterall.

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By justanote, June 4, 2007 at 12:43 pm Link to this comment
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“There is no way in hell that any of these people want to see anyone of another race or culture immigrating to their countries.” -Dan Duck

I bet the indigenous people of America Past COMPLETELY agree with you. You know, seeing how well it did them “welcoming the European immigrants.” Of course, they had to suck it up. As will we. I wonder if we can agree that there was a civilization of people here before your fore fathers.

“Most blacks probably don’t want to be outnumbered by Hispanics either.” - Dan Duck

I imagine most blacks don’t care. The fact is, blacks have been outnumbered for quite some time now. And surely you remember what Mexico’s president said - the the immigrants are taking all the jobs that blacks DON’T want anyway.No but seriously, it’s not like blacks are being torn out of the white christian male power structure.

“My point is, it doesn’t indicate that one is a racist just because one doesn’t want to shift the social/political status quo to one’s own disfavor, or because one doesn’t want to live in a neighborhood where everyone wants to live under Sharia law or speaks another language or mistrusts you just because you are white (it really works both ways don’t you know).” - Dan Duck

Again, I’m sure the native americans absolutely agree with your point. The shift in social/political status quo was to their own disfavor. And maybe they didn’t want to live under Christian-like law. Or under the European constitution. Or under people who spoke another language. Or under the concept that the earth and land can be “owned.” It was and is still probably really uncomfortable being powerless in a land you once called your own. It probably sucked to be mistrusted simply by virtue of being native american. And to continue into the current 21st century being portrayed in western reruns as villains. Perhaps I should poll my native american friends on reservations or in ghettos to find out how they feel about immigration changing america.

You know, it’s hard to give up power. But maybe it would teach us how to empathize. Or even if not that, how to be fair. Fear is the problem here. If I know I’ve mistreated or ignored a certain group, or I know a group of people feels mistreated, I don’t want them to have the power to turn the tables. Why? because some stuff you dish out, you don’t ever want to come back.

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By Dan Duck, June 4, 2007 at 8:43 am Link to this comment
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Saying that massive immigration from Mexico will change the complexion of America and alter the existing white male power structure is not racist. It is racialist. It means that one thinks that race plays factor in society, and that the status quo will change. It does not mean that one thinks another race is inferior. I am a white male English teacher and have been living in Japan, Taiwan, and Korea for the last 15 years. There is no way in hell that any of these people want to see anyone of another race or culture immigrating to their countries. Do we call them racist? Most blacks probably don’t want to be outnumbered by Hispanics either. Do we call them racist? No, it’s only when a white man thinks that changing the racial balance to his own disfavor is a bad idea that he is referred to as racist. Does anyone think that the Mexicans would like to see the racial/cultural balance of their country turn Black, Chinese, Muslim, or Hindu? That doesn’t mean they are racist. It means they don’t think it’s to their advantage. Almost no one in the world would accept this but white liberals (of which I am one). My point is, it doesn’t indicate that one is a racist just because one doesn’t want to shift the social/political status quo to one’s own disfavor, or because one doesn’t want to live in a neighborhood where everyone wants to live under Sharia law or speaks another language or mistrusts you just because you are white (it really works both ways don’t you know). In fact, most everyone in the world thinks like this - trust me, I live here, I know. These people will never attempt to solve their aging populace and declining birthrate problems with immigration from another race and or culture. Never! But I wouldn’t say they are racist. They are good people. Now, Bill Riley might not be a good person, but his comments were not racist either. HIs views are shared by most people throughout the world. So lay off the white man folks.

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By shz, June 3, 2007 at 11:28 pm Link to this comment
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The first Europeans to came to America called the natives “Indians” because they thought they were in India.  North and South American inhabitants were of one race. 

Hispanic immigration is merely the Indians taking back their land.

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By Deborah, June 3, 2007 at 7:11 pm Link to this comment
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#74776 by Steve Hammons on 6/02 at 6:30 am
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Despite many of the arguments put forth about the illegal immigration problems, much of it boils down to simple racism and ethnocentrism, as O’Reilly reflects.

Let’s face it, many people don’t like brown-skinned Mexicans who look different. And, they speak a different language!

*****
See it’s comments like this that show that even white folks who get it, don’t get it.

And by “people” just whom do you mean?

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By Lee, June 3, 2007 at 9:35 am Link to this comment
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John Q is more worried about dollars then colors. If Mexico were richer then the US, they wouldn’t want us destitute gringos moving down there.

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By Expat, June 3, 2007 at 5:57 am Link to this comment

Well it’s obvious to me McCain is cowed by Oh! Really?  But it doesn’t really matter because he’s irrelevant anyway.

I love it because, it in fact shows the blatant racism.  Sort of like a John Wayne film.

Given enough rope…blah blah blah

His own party took his balls and like a kicked dog, he comes back for more.  You gotta feels sorry for this poor schlump. 

I used to respect John McCain.

Cheers

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By FrostedFlakes, June 2, 2007 at 5:40 pm Link to this comment
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Wow. I wonder what Chief Sitting Bull and Cochise would think about this “problem”. As Arsenio Hall once famously uttered, “It makes you go hmm…”

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By P. T., June 2, 2007 at 2:35 pm Link to this comment

Bill O’Reilly is part right.  The American Left has given up on the working class as an agent of change.  So “people of color” (a sizeable number of them lumpen proletariat) are supposed to become the “substitute proletariat.”

Of course conservatives and limousine liberals also like the cheap labor.

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By A Few Good Women, June 2, 2007 at 10:39 am Link to this comment
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“White Christian Male Power Structure: of which you are a part, and so am I”

You know what, I don’t think O’Reilly said anything Rupert Murdoch didn’t want him to say.  This whole immigration kick O’Reilly likes so much has been passed down from “MAD MAX” Murdoch. 

Just the same, I can’t help feeling O’Reilly set up McCain with that “of which you are a part”. 

McCain wasn’t fast enough to catch that set up.  Unless he publicly actually believes he is part of a White Christian Male Power Structure. Which would be, politically, a very imprudent thing to say.  Nothing rubs female registered voters the wrong way more than having a Misogynistic Dinosaur running for office.

If it was a set up, I don’t really know why O’Reilly did it. Though I have my suspicions.  I don’t think it was to expose McCain to Liberals; rather, it was more for the advantage of other Republican candidates Murdoch favours.

It just felt like an “Inside” Hit Job on McCain.

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By Chaseme, June 2, 2007 at 9:50 am Link to this comment
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Let’s consider putting a “cap” on the white male conservatives in the country?

Before long, the next issue of the white male conservatives will be closing off the border to Canada, because most of the people from that country are “too liberal.”

Give it up guys, Mother Earth, God, Nature has spoken and the message is very clear. Genetic Modification and cloning are too artificial and perverted to change what has already been naturally set in motion.

I have to admit, there is something especially gratifying about seeing these two and others like them grabble after creating this environment themselves through greed and selfishness.

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By Hammo, June 2, 2007 at 7:30 am Link to this comment

Despite many of the arguments put forth about the illegal immigration problems, much of it boils down to simple racism and ethnocentrism, as O’Reilly reflects.

Let’s face it, many people don’t like brown-skinned Mexicans who look different. And, they speak a different language!

What is interesting is that many or most Mexicans and Mexican-Americans reportedly have Native American/Indian bloodlines as well as the mix of Spanish ancestors who came to Mexico long ago.

Now, some European-Americans, whose ancestors took lands and almost wiped out the Indians in what is now the US, are upset that these brown-red people are coming into the US to change the “complexion” of American society.

Something to think about regarding this in:

“Who is a Cherokee? Many Americans have Indians in the family tree”

http://www.populistamerica.com/who_is_a_cherokee

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By TomChicago, June 2, 2007 at 7:04 am Link to this comment
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Even for O’Reilly this is a stinker.  “White Christian males”...“America’s complexion”...All the sloganeering in the world will not portray this tripe as “fair and unbalanced”.

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By Charlie Kasnick, June 2, 2007 at 6:08 am Link to this comment
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In out town.Rockford Illinois,the repblican party ran 2 candidates,a hispanic woman as the republican flag bearer,and a stealth candidate as an independantwith heavy republican backing.
Guess who won?By a land slid the white male won!

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By A Few Good Women, June 2, 2007 at 2:00 am Link to this comment
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“White Christian Male Power Structure: of which you are a part, and so am I”

You know what, I don’t think O’Reilly said anything Rupert Murdoch didn’t want him to say.  This whole immigration kick O’Reilly likes so much has been passed down from “MAD MAX” Murdoch. 

Just the same, I can’t help feeling O’Reilly set up McCain with that “of which you are a part”. 

McCain wasn’t fast enough to catch that set up.  Unless he publicly actually believes he is part of a White Christian Male Power Structure. Which would be, politically, a very imprudent thing to say.  Nothing rubs female registered voters the wrong way more than having a Misogynistic Dinosaur running for office.

If it was a set up, I don’t really know why O’Reilly did it. Though I have my suspicions.  I don’t think it was to expose McCain to Liberals; rather, it was more for the advantage of other Republican candidates Murdoch favours.

It just felt like an “Inside” Hit Job on McCain.

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By cyrena, June 1, 2007 at 6:16 pm Link to this comment

For Justanote,

You were reading my mind. It’s the first thing I thought when I saw the “complexion change”, which I saw as a recyling back to the “complexion” that was this land before it was occupied by the Anglos. And, it wasn’t all that long ago.

America has collective amnesia, or they never knew anything to begin with.

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By GrammaConcept, June 1, 2007 at 4:57 pm Link to this comment

Change:  The Only Constant…..

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By anothernote, June 1, 2007 at 4:32 pm Link to this comment
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so does anyone know what happens when the white christian male power structure is broken down? and dont minorities and women identify with religion more than white males??

*Women are more likely than men to describe their outlook as “religious.” Older Americans are more likely than younger to describe their outlook as “religious.” Black Americans are least likely to describe themselves as secular, Asian Americans are most likely to do so.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States#The_American_Religious_Identification_Survey

Inglehart also mentioned the rising Hispanic population as another reason for the results. In general, minority populations in America tend to be more religious.
Social Work Prof. Robert Taylor said his research supports the claim that blacks are more religious than whites, but disagreed with the effect of socioeconomic status on religious participation.

http://media.www.michigandaily.com/media/storage/paper851/news/2003/11/19/News/U.s-More.Religious.Than.Other.Nations.Researchers.Find-1420479.shtml

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By justanote, June 1, 2007 at 4:11 pm Link to this comment
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this is great. ha! this would only be the second “complexion change” anyone remember those indigenous people who inhabited the states a while back?

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By Michael Boldin, June 1, 2007 at 11:02 am Link to this comment

Fear fear fear fear fear.  That’s all we hear from these propagandists.  Whether it’s O’Reilly, or Dobbs, or Hannity, or just about any of them, that’s all we get.

Immigrants will ruin our society, take our jobs, destroy the economy, bring us disease, engage in terrorism, and whatever other garbage they want to spew.

This is nothing more than a political football - something to distract us from the real problem, which is power. 

Some further reading on this issue:

“The Immigration Scam”
http://www.populistamerica.com/the_immigration_scam

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