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Al Gore and the Assault on Reason

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Posted on May 30, 2007
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The former vice president looks to be in fighting trim (does this make a candidacy more likely?) as he lectures on the Iraq disaster, the cultural failings that made it possible and how to move forward: “We will fix these problems when we the people decide that nobody else is going to do it for us, but that we have to become personally involved in saving American democracy.”


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By im4mary, June 5, 2007 at 9:41 am Link to this comment
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I have to agree; the commentary here has been exemplary and a beacon of hope to the American way of life.  We really can diplomatically discuss varieties of opinions (with possibly one or two exceptions)!

I wouldn’t blame Al one bit for staying out of this race, even though I believe he is our best chance at rebuilding our nation; that’s going to be hell if it can even be done.  This diabolical travesty we see in our current administration has been in the making for several decades now.

We have been conveniently anesthetized to the immoral conduct of our government for years, and we really need reawaken to the reality of our situation.  This is a lot easier said than done.

As a collective whole, the American People (me included) have our culpability in this tragedy.  We have become holistically irresponsible with our habits and greed, demanding that our government become ‘leaner’ while gorging from the credit card plate of the ‘gotta have it now’ luxuries.  Welcome to deregulation!  We won’t even slow down on our highways unless we’re told to, and scream like mad when we are!

The culmination/consequences of these policies is at our doorstep front and center.  We teeter on the edge of national financial and spiritual (ie moral) bankruptcy if we have not already toppled and still in free fall! 

Thank the geeks who built the Internet because it has provided interaction where there used to be community meetings, front porch steps, and picnics. 

I think Edwards may very well be our best second choice.  He’s had a few knocks recently too, and speaks authentically (imo).  But, like it or not, he’s got some personal issues; nothing personally!  Not that anyone has any guarantees, but becoming a single parent in the midst of this next presidency with all those messes would just be awful.

Kucinich remains haunted by the “who’s that” disease although he has been very consistent, thoughtful, and educated on his positions.  I think if we wanted ‘peace’ as we claim, there would be more people supporting Kucinich.

I think a Gore, Kucinich Independent team would rock, personally.  Both are very intelligent and well versed.

If there is a god, may the spirit guide us back to reason, common sense, and a respect for our communities, environment, our strengths, and our weaknesses.  Every civilization needs governance.  In order for it to sustain itself and prosper they must ensure that governance is built upon and maintains our base moral character:  honesty, integrity, honor, justice, and accountability.

Thank you for helping restore hope, if only for a few moments, in a pessimistic soul.  We’re all in this together!

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By Hemi, June 4, 2007 at 3:47 pm Link to this comment
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Good posts one and all. You folks have hit on all of my personal hot spots on Al Gore.

I saw him on CNN last Saturday, he was speaking on his book tour. Very impressive, gathered, polished and statesman-like in his presentation.

I too have the 9/11 charade in mind. I always wonder if all of the good guys keep quiet hoping to pass muster and come into power before showing their true colors. The current congress pissed away most of that dream. I suppose that is a lot to ask from anyone caught in the political machinery of our nation. I can’t see a third party candidate speaking out regarding 9/11 and not being lambasted by the media as a “conspiracy nut job”. Without a 9/11 conspiracy there is not much of 3rd party platform. Just my opinion. So, where do you go from there?

On Saturday, on CNN, Gore simply gave me a glimpse that indicates he knows what is right. Whether he would step outside the machinery once elected, one can only hope. He already gets shit-hammered over his ecological preaching. Could you imagine the storm if he were to infer that 9/11 was an inside job? Or simply that it required further investigation?

The scariest scenario is that he is in the pocket of the neocons. What a tangled web. I’ll give him a pass on his whacky wife. He seems “enlightened” and well read, perhaps he passed some reading material to her in the last 8 years.

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By Skruff, June 4, 2007 at 7:15 am Link to this comment
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#75093 by ardee on 6/03 at 4:14 pm

For Skruff, As to the DLC; Clinton built up that group while President in order to claim a greater share of corporate donations for his party, which was achieved by the way. Prior to the altering of its course many influential Dems were members thereof..

Saying something does not make it true. The DLC was founded in 1985 by Al From, in response to Reagan’s second landslide victory.  The purpose from the begining was to make the party more appealing to large corporate contributers. To do this the D’s had to give away their “workingman’s idology.  The results of this shift were apearent when Clinton supported NAFTA, and MFN for China putting a stake through the middle class in America.

Need a link? 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Leadership_Council

Why Gore chose Lieberman is less important than is your lack of understanding that Joe was a bona fide liberal in his voting record for many years. I have noted this twice already, you have ignored it three times. Look it up if you dont believe me…...You are basing your opinion of Gore’s choice of Joe on events that postdated the selection of a running mate…timeline please.

I have addressed this in another thread (as you know, for you responded to that post.) So let’s stop playing that game.

As to Tipper’s religious beliefs…who gives a rat’s ass, this seems a very shallow reason for defaming or devaluing a candidates worth. There are a large number of christians in these United States and the great majority of them are not right wing zealots. Can you cite any public statements by Mrs. Gore that you find objectionable?

I was opposed to her cencorship campaign of the 1980’s, and the most “objectional” public statement comes not from “Tipper” but from Al who said of his wife:

“She is my No. 1 advisor on all issues.”

I, too, castigate Gore for his decision to quit on us in 2000, especially when so much evidence pointed to reasons for continuing that fight, in the courts, in the press, however. I have heard Gore’s explanation and it may not be how I feel but that is OK, especially in light of his stated positions on other important issues.

“Do you seriously seek to disqualify all candidates whose Parents, Uncles, Aunts, Cousins or next door neighbors (I wouldn’t and haven’t said anything in this vein) were politicians too? What about Mr. Gore Senior’s long career do you object to…? So would you disqualify FDR because his cousin Teddy was President? How about those Adams guys? Often children become opposites of parents and cops are far from scum as well, sorry but this sort of reasoning seems to imply that you are not fond of Gore but cannot articulate why.”

You may not like my “articulation” but It is my thought that This country “dumped” royalty? You are right. The “Adams guys” The Roosvelts (to a lesser extent) The Kennedys and The Bushes have been a disaster for us. The “Name recognition” gave us the current administration. Do you believe Lil Bush could have been president had he a different name? and I never said “disqualify” This fact is one measure I use in making MY personal choice.  I voted for Ted when I lived in Massachusetts because he was excellent at bringing home the bacon.. but what a system.

“You are surely entitled to your own opinion”

Gee thanks.

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By ardee, June 3, 2007 at 5:14 pm Link to this comment

For Ms. Russell, thanks for the heads up and also for your worthwhile posts. I will try and see that DVD. My opinion of a President that brought is NAFTA, GATT and laid the foundations for CAFTA remains that he is certainly a Republican. But he can certainly claim great intellect and orates the hell out of words…..

For Skruff, As to the DLC; Clinton built up that group while President in order to claim a greater share of corporate donations for his party, which was achieved by the way. Prior to the altering of its course many influential Dems were members thereof..

Why Gore chose Lieberman is less important than is your lack of understanding that Joe was a bona fide liberal in his voting record for many years. I have noted this twice already, you have ignored it three times. Look it up if you dont believe me…...You are basing your opinion of Gore’s choice of Joe on events that postdated the selection of a running mate…timeline please.

As to Tipper’s religious beliefs…who gives a rat’s ass, this seems a very shallow reason for defaming or devaluing a candidates worth. There are a large number of christians in these United States and the great majority of them are not right wing zealots. Can you cite any public statements by Mrs. Gore that you find objectionable?

I, too, castigate Gore for his decision to quit on us in 2000, especially when so much evidence pointed to reasons for continuing that fight, in the courts, in the press, however. I have heard Gore’s explanation and it may not be how I feel but that is OK, especially in light of his stated positions on other important issues.

Do you seriously seek to disqualify all candidates whose Parents, Uncles, Aunts, Cousins or next door neighbors were politicians too? What about Mr. Gore Senior’s long career do you object to…? So would you disqualify FDR because his cousin Teddy was President? How about those Adams guys? Often children become opposites of parents and cops are far from scum as well, sorry but this sort of reasoning seems to imply that you are not fond of Gore but cannot articulate why .

You are surely entitled to your own opinion and it doesnt have to agree with mine for me to honor that choice, but much of what you say is a reach. Apparently we choose our candidates very differently.

Last but far from least, for 911truth
I went Indie too, after a forty year run as a registered Democrat.

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By 911truthdotorg, June 3, 2007 at 4:32 pm Link to this comment

ardee -

Thanks again for your reply.

I used to like Al Gore and used to be a Democrat.
I changed to Independent in Nov after the cowards Pelosi and Dean said “impeachment was off the table”.

I hope I sound like a broken record about 9/11,
because it is THE issue that must be resolved before
any real change can happen to restore this country back to “the land of the free” because bush and Congress have used 9/11 to destroy our freedoms and ram their New World Order agenda down our throats.

I had serious doubts literally from 9/11/01 and then found the Loose Change movie completely by accident and I’ve been hooked ever since. I don’t agree with 100% of what they said, but more than enough to know that 2+2 doesn’t equal 100 like they want us to believe. And sadly, most people still do.

Anyway, I enjoy your posts, and most others on here.

Keep writing!

Google videos: 9/11 Press for Truth, Loose Change 2nd Edition

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By Skruff, June 3, 2007 at 3:24 pm Link to this comment
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74530 by Joe R. on 6/01 at 8:39 am

“Al Gore may not be perfect but he is the only one who is really having a discussion that isn’t just sound bites.  Who else is out there that has the portfolio?  We can not survive another clown like Bush.”

There are several others, Dennis Kucinich, Bill Richardson, Ron Paul, and maybe a few more late entries. Mbe what we should do is spend the next year truely evaulating the qualities we want in a president. I have several problems with Al Gore that make me think he is less than we can stand at this juncture.

Gore’s from the Democratic Leadership Council wing of the party. These are the people who feel winning is more important than idology. The D.L.C. drew the blueprint for changing the Democratic party of Franklin Roosvelt into Republican Lite. Other DLCers are Sam Nunn, Bob Graham, Bill Clinton, Zell Miller and Chuck Robb

Gore’s assent to Joe Lieberman as a running mate makes the short hairs on the back of my neck stand up. NOTHING Gore ever said makes one believe he was displeased with the choice, as the Kennedy Brothers were with Johnson.

Gore is not a fighter, after the 2000 election theft he said he was “conceding for the good of the country” Thanks Al that concession was real good for us. 

Gore grew up with politicians. He’s like an imbred policeman.  Police folks marry other police folks, they hang out with other police, and share a common police belief that everyone else is scum. ditto politicians,... and Gore has been with them since birth.

Then, finally, there’s the Tipper factor.  She hides it well, but she is just as much a right wing Christian as Laura Bush.  That’s OK, the first lady is not our official, but their long-term marriage makes one think…. If they get along so well, how much of their belief is co-joined.

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By MARIAM RUSSELL, June 3, 2007 at 10:22 am Link to this comment
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Forget sexual misconduct, which we have all been guilty at one time or another. It has no place in politics.

There is more to Bill Clinton than that. He would be capable of adding so much to the political life of the US, if he was not concerned with elections. I recommend watching THE HUNTING OF A PRESIDENT. It is a DVD, and I rented it from BlockBuster. The last part is BC on the stage without notes, talking. His approach is always going to be different because of the difference of background reference, and I contend, we need that difference.

Mr Gore is perhaps, for the first time in his life, not worrying about elections and able to say what he thinks, like JC. This is exactly what political discourse in this country needs.

Too bad we do not have more of these people who actually appear to learn as they grow older. Wow! What a concept!!

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By ardee, June 3, 2007 at 10:01 am Link to this comment

#74887 by MARIAM RUSSELL on 6/02 at 6:02 pm

Welcome to the light dear lady…..grin.....

Bill Clinton and Al Gore are two distinctly different people. Bill can charm the birds out of the trees ( or an intern out of her dress) but he is, in the end, a republican in democratic clothing.

Al Gore is somewhat of a mystery to me, capable of incredible passions and insights, a champion of liberal causes and a disappearing act of disconcerting frequency…What to think , what to do…..

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By MARIAM RUSSELL, June 2, 2007 at 7:02 pm Link to this comment
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I am not in the US for most of the year so I had only seen AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH which was very well done.

Today I saw part of an appearance at George Washington University discussing his ASSAULT ON REASON. I AM VERY IMPRESSED.

Even though I may have reservations about the directions we are being led as far as global warming is concerned, I really hope he continues to do what he is doing. He is saying things that very much need to be said, and he can and will be heard in forums that are not open to most dissenting opinion.

He is not as good at this sort of performance as Bill Clinton, but, I guess it is too much to hope Mr. C might do and say too much for fear of muddying the water for Mrs C, who I would shrink from calling progressive.

I do think we are at the point that if we are unwilling to make fundamental changes in our relationship with the other life on this planet and in the way we, Ha!, govern ourselves, there will be no need for either.

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By ardee, June 2, 2007 at 1:44 pm Link to this comment

#74840 by 911truthdotorg on 6/02 at 12:27 pm
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ardee -

Thank you for your support! 

...Support is where you find it. I do not exempt myself from the fractious nature of political debate as I am, much too easily, sucked into rancor and hyperbole. We are a divided nation, and this is a major reason why we can be tricked and used so sorely. If “they” can keep us arguing “they” can keep us apart and “they” can maintain power.

I must say that I disagree with your assessment of Albert Gore. I have heard him speak on any number of occasions, and I have heard him remain silent when he should have spoken, but there are many who fall into that category, dontcha agree? Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid have stabbed us all in the back, the Chuck Schumers and Rhamm Emmanuels work actively to keep the Democrats under the thumb of the DLC and the corporate campaign check.

I was present for Gore’s speech at the Commonwealth Club during his abortive run-up to the ‘04 nomination. He received any number of standing ovations for an eloquence and a passion almost unbelievable to an audience from San Francisco, not exactly a right wing bastion I assure you. I have read his positions on Global Warming, on the lack of reason in politics, on our sick and sad system and I find no flaws with them.

Better one who speaks up late than one who speaks not at all…...He speaks for me now and I will support him as long as he does so, and, should he decide to run for an office he rightly won eight years earlier, well I would not decline to vote for him out of hand, especially because I do not believe that Edwards or Kucinich has a prayer, nor does Obama have any experience whatsoever, and Hillary, well, talk about a smear campaign, watch what happens when she wins the nomination. Besides she is closer to Rupert Murdoch than to me.

I am looking forward to more exchanges with you, some may be in agreement and some may not, but I trust they all will be civil, come let us reason together…..

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By 911truthdotorg, June 2, 2007 at 1:27 pm Link to this comment

ardee -

Thank you for your support! smile

I get the same type of replies on other blogs as well. It is so pitiful how closed minded and ignorant these sheeple are.

And I will bet you money that they have not even watched these videos or done any research on the 9/11 Truth topic at all. Duh!

OK, so where was Al Gore BEFORE the Iraq invasion when he could have made a difference? We didn’t hear a peep out of him, did we?

But now he’s the wise and powerful Wizard of Oz because he wrote this book. Please.

He is SO part of the problem that it’s sickening.

Google videos: 9/11 Press for Truth, Loose Change 2nd Edition

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By ardee, June 2, 2007 at 12:52 pm Link to this comment

#74828 by 911truthdotorg on 6/02 at 11:38 am
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JNagarya -

Nope, I’m not an engineer or any of those other things you mentioned.

But I do have eyes and I believe what I see.

Unlike you.

—-
you go 911truth,
Perhaps, if this execrable little boy poster believed in what he posts he wouldnt feel it so necesary to insult and denegrate the opinions of others. I think it is his own insecurity, coupled with an astounding immaturity and a failure to understand that solutions to problems rely upon cooperation and convincing others, that makes conversation with him an impossibility.

I tried in another thread and received full measure of his sophomoric nonsense, so I responded in kind. I will simply add him to the ignore list, where he so rightly belongs, at least until he reaches his maturity.

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By 911truthdotorg, June 2, 2007 at 12:38 pm Link to this comment

JNagarya -

Nope, I’m not an engineer or any of those other things you mentioned.

But I do have eyes and I believe what I see.

Unlike you.

You are a fool. And sadly, there are too many like you in this country.

Google videos: 9/11 Press for Truth, Loose Change 2nd Edition

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By G. Anderson, June 1, 2007 at 8:35 pm Link to this comment
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No Gore is not perfect, but he at least knows where the issues are, and he stuck his neck out when he didn’t have to.

American cannot endure much longer without some leadership, there are too many cracks in the liberty bell.

We cannot have another election arguing about who said what when, we have to have one about the future of our country, and what were going to do about   the mess Bush leaves behind.

I look at the other candidates, and I don’t see any that have any hope of unifying us as nation.

I don’t blame Mr. Gore for not running, if he decides he doesn’t want to, but my sense of him is that he really does care about our country’s future, and I think he won’t stop caring, even if he decides not to run.

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By ardee, June 1, 2007 at 4:34 pm Link to this comment

Judging by not a few comments on this site, Gore’s question, “Why has our democracy been so vulnerable to the mistakes made in the last six years” seems to have found some answers.

Felicity is absolutely correct, and thanks to her for the insight. So many opinions, so few facts, so few thoughts, so few enlightenments, so many childish and meaningless bits of drivel. I hasten to include Joe R. as well as a poster who forgoes hyperbole.

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By felicity, June 1, 2007 at 4:12 pm Link to this comment

Judging by not a few comments on this site, Gore’s question, “Why has our democracy been so vulnerable to the mistakes made in the last six years” seems to have found some answers.

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By GlitchCog, June 1, 2007 at 3:02 pm Link to this comment

Know what else will make you loose weight? If every time you hear your name on television it’s followed by a crack about your fat ass.

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By JNagarya, June 1, 2007 at 9:53 am Link to this comment

“#74428 by 911truthdotorg on 5/31 at 8:20 pm
(84 comments total)

“Al Gore is just another double talking hack.

“1)He’s against impeaching the criminal-in-chief.

“2)He believes the truth of 9/11 is “outside the range of possibility”.

“From a recent interview:
Gore quickly said, ‘I think I see where you might be heading.’ Not wishing to even say the words ‘nine eleven’ or the words ‘false flag’, he deftly trashed the ongoing 9/11 truth movement with these few words: ‘All that other stuff is outside the range of possibility’.”

“Al Gore is one of THEM and thus, part of the problem.

“Google videos: 9/11 Press for Truth, Loose Change 2nd Edition”

You don’t know what you’re talking about.  And the reason that is the fact is that you already know it all.  You’re an expert in structural engineering, metalurgy, physics, disaster forensics, reading minds, and predicting not only the past but also the future.

You know there’s evience that you don’t have and can’t identify as to location or contents, and yet you know the contents of that evidence.

Grow up: either deal with reality, and practical politics—get your hands dirty—or continue to be a condescending, self-alienating know-it-all.

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By Joe R., June 1, 2007 at 9:39 am Link to this comment
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Al Gore may not be perfect but he is the only one who is really having a discussion that isn’t just sound bites.  Who else is out there that has the portfolio?  We can not survive another clown like Bush.

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By 911truthdotorg, May 31, 2007 at 9:20 pm Link to this comment

Al Gore is just another double talking hack.

1)He’s against impeaching the criminal-in-chief.

2)He believes the truth of 9/11 is “outside the range
of possibility”.

From a recent interview:
Gore quickly said, ‘I think I see where you might be heading.’ Not wishing to even say the words ‘nine eleven’ or the words ‘false flag’, he deftly trashed the ongoing 9/11 truth movement with these few words: ‘All that other stuff is outside the range of possibility’.”

Al Gore is one of THEM and thus, part of the problem.

Google videos: 9/11 Press for Truth, Loose Change 2nd Edition

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By DennisD, May 31, 2007 at 8:48 pm Link to this comment
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Watched Gore on Countdown with Keith the other night. A true politician, Al spoke at length and said nothing of substance, it was like he never really left the political cesspool. I don’t know how someone who couldn’t even carry his own state in the 2000 election is going to excite the electorate. Vote third party or don’t bother.

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By ardee, May 31, 2007 at 7:36 pm Link to this comment

#74365 by euni84 on 5/31 at 4:45 pm

Your suggestions are good ones but your assumption of our motives is lacking. If Bush wanted economic stability in Iraq he would have paid the Iraqis to rebuild their own nation, providing full employment and stability. Instead he has overseen the handing out of contracts to firms outside Iraq, not allowed any participation by Iraqis, wasted billions of our tax monies while Iraqis have no jobs, Baghdad has no reliable electricity or running water over four years after we destroyed it all…..

#74326 by Steve Hammons on 5/31 at 2:30 pm
You are correct about the current incarnation of Joe Lieberman, but if you look up his voting record throughout his eighteen years in office you will find it to be remarkably liberal. Who knew he was going off the deep end?

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By euni84, May 31, 2007 at 5:45 pm Link to this comment

Instead of withdrawing from Iraq or occupying it, our leaders need to think with more foresight in handling this volatile situation. If the original principle of why we are fighting this war is as important as Bush claims, the $340 billion already spent and the further $100+ billion to be spent should be redirected toward plans to fight poverty and develop the country econimically to that there can be stability. According to the Borgen Project, just $19 billion annually can end starvation and $15 billion provides water and sanitation all over the world. If ending terror is the goal, the Millennium Development Goals to end poverty is the way to to go for our leaders, not continued war or abandonment.

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By b_mule, May 31, 2007 at 4:46 pm Link to this comment

Al Gore might be the only person best suited for the job. the reason is; he doesn’t want the job. frankly what reasonable person would want it? considering the horrible mess that needs cleaning. It’s not all riding around in Air Force One, and never having to wait at a stop light.

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By Hammo, May 31, 2007 at 3:30 pm Link to this comment

It is all well and good that Mr. Gore speaks out and that he is admired.

However, it may be helpful to remember that he chose neocon Joe Lieberman as his vice-presidential running mate.

The choice of Lieberman (who many people did not care for even then), as well as Bill Clinton’s irresponsible sexual activities in the Oval Office contriubted greatly to the election of Bush and Cheney, and the horrible results we see today.

It is good that Gore is now providing us with useful information, and that Americans are open to this “intelligence.” We should continue to gather information and “intel” from valid sources, while keeping in mind all elements involved. 

Related to this is:

“Gathering intelligence: Grassroots intel by and for the people”

PopulistAmerica.com
Populist Party of America
January 30, 2007

http://www.populistamerica.com/gathering_intelligence_grassroots_intel_by_and_for_the_people

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By tomack, May 31, 2007 at 1:41 pm Link to this comment
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It’s never too late: Al Gore for preseident, Scott Ritter for VP.

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By Mark A. Goldman, May 31, 2007 at 12:39 pm Link to this comment
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Gore’s interview on The NewsHour last night was a disappointment.  It was a half hearted attempt at defending the Constitution if that was in any way his intent.  He’s right not to run for President again.

http://www.gpln.com/halfheartedattempts.htm

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By Dale Headley, May 31, 2007 at 12:01 pm Link to this comment
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There is no one on the political scene who has more accurately diagnosed the growing crisis in American democracy than Al Gore.  However, I fear he is whistling into the wind.  The United States is not a democracy; it is a corporate kleptocracy that is under the complete domination of wealthy interests.  Al Gore’s election was stolen.  John Kerry’s was stolen.  Only extraordinary vigilance by the U.S. Congress and U.S. citizens can the next election be prevented from being stolen as well.

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By don knutsen, May 31, 2007 at 9:26 am Link to this comment

Can the office that reeks of the stink of the George Bush crapping every day on the floor of the oval office still attract thinking, well intentioned individuals ? I sometimes wonder if that is still possible. It would be such perfect irony to have Al Gore take the reins from the man who stole the election from him in ‘2000. He is what the democrats need very badly right now if he would only decide to enter. I hope the democrats can do better then Hillary and we need someone with more experience then Obama now.

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By Peter RV, May 31, 2007 at 7:07 am Link to this comment
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Al Gore has to be drafted immediately to run as Democrat (or better-independent) candidate for the Presidency of this Country. He is our last chance to save ourselves from moral and ecological cataclysm, we are heading for.
( when he wins, we should amend the Constitution to permit him to run three more times for the office- to give him time to repair the damage, the ibeciles of his predecessors have done)
Oh, how nice it would be to have ,finally, an intelligent man as the head of our United States!

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By Gore For President, May 31, 2007 at 5:51 am Link to this comment
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We and the rest of the world very much need you Al!

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By Al Mercado, May 30, 2007 at 11:00 pm Link to this comment
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Even a staunch Republican co-worker of mine likes Al Gore for President in 08.

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