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‘Countdown’ on Democratic Cowardice

Posted on May 23, 2007

Keith Olbermann and Newsweek’s Howard Fineman vent their disbelief and disgust over the Democrats’ war funding capitulation. Fineman likens the move to pushing piles of chips into the pot and then folding when the last card comes up.

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By JNagarya, June 1, 2007 at 9:56 am Link to this comment

“#73994 by Terrence Sullivan on 5/30 at 9:27 am
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“This is exactly why I am no longer a registered Democrat when you back down to “Lil” Adolf Hitler II in George W Bush and Hermann Goerring II in “Dickhead” Cheney”

Yo, know-it-all/troll:

Will you bash the Democrats when Bushit vetoes the bill out of the Senate Intelligence Committee, even though it won’t be the Democrats who veto it?

Or will you bash them because they haven’t yet sufficient votes to override veto because the REPUBLICANS are foot-dragging?

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By Terrence Sullivan, May 30, 2007 at 10:27 am Link to this comment
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This is exactly why I am no longer a registered Democrat when you back down to “Lil” Adolf Hitler II in George W Bush and Hermann Goerring II in “Dickhead” Cheney

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By Stephen Smoliar, May 30, 2007 at 9:30 am Link to this comment

CJ (#73841), it all comes down to two axioms:

1.  People who are comfortable do not want change, since that may lead to discomfort.  (We might call this “Feingold’s Law” (#72318) after his reaction to the Congressional capitulation to the White House.)

2.  People who are uncomfortable do not have a voice (since the mass media are controlled by the comfortable).

The thing about the mass media, though, is that they can do a very good job of deluding the uncomfortable into thinking that they DO have a voice.  As a matter of fact, they are far better at this than ANY candidate from ANY political party!  After all, promoting that illusion sells soap (or insurance, not to mention any number of pharmaceuticals about which you should “ask your doctor”).  Neither MSNBC nor Olbermann cares very much about the positions of the “actual left” (except to the extent that MSNBC has a vested interest in distracting attention from those positions).  Unfortunately, I am also beginning to believe that, since its primary “virtue” appears to be in marketing, the Internet is no better in this regard than any of the other mass media!

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By CJ, May 29, 2007 at 7:27 pm Link to this comment
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I was going to email this to Olbermann this evening, but thought I’d chance getting it posted here. Keith’s done some good work, but re 05/29/07 program beginnig with Keith pointing out that General Pace understates number of American dead in Iraq:

Speaking of inaccuracy, Keith, MSNBC announced during Matthew’s program that some 200,000 Iraqis have been killed. That number is surely absurdly low. The only credible study that’s been done indicated a range of 400,000 to 900,000. Someone at MSNBC might at least give a source for the figure of 200,000, meaning a credible source, meaning not that of the military (which doesn’t enumerate “enemy” dead), much less that of the White House. Bush talks about 30,000 dead (a figure that can only be described as an obscenity), and we know well of his total lack of credibility, the product of having taken up residence at Disneyland, where he’s long resided in his mind.

The Lancet-published Johns-Hopkins study used the most up-to-date statistical methods in arriving at aforementioned range. So why does MSNBC talk about 200,000? While supplying no source?

As for Sheehan, I know of no one on the actual left who’s attacked her, though Democrats have. Point being that most Democrats are not on the left, as Bill Clinton demonstrated once he gained office, and as next Dem occupant will demonstrate in his/her turn. Pelosi and Reid are further examples of ostensible “left.” The actual left doesn’t advocate crap like NAFTA, imperialism in general (730-something military bases around the world), managed health-care plans (as opposed to universal healthcare, Obama’s improbable plan notwithstanding), Prescription Drug “Reform,” funding the war while appearing not to, and other such nonsense meant to appease Wall-Street backers. Sheehan found out the hard way that the Democratic Party is not “left,” rather only just “left” of extremist right on a continuum the limits of which extend on the “left” from so-called “moderates” to Pat Robertson and other fascistic-types, whether advocates of theocracy, plutocracy or kleptocracy, on the whacked-out right, which is finally about aristocracy by other means.

Sheehan is quite right of course in having discovered that change happens only when people want it to happen. Her disillusionment is perfectly understandable. She discovered that most Americans would rather no significant change, that debt-laden-but-still-spending Americans are, on the whole, politically reactionary, which is why so many still love that epitome of reaction, Ronald Reagan (still the worst President ever). Ending imperialist adventurism requires dispensing with extremist free-market ideology. On this point, the actual left is indeed culpable, what with having lost sight of the prize that would be social justice (economic equality to start with) as a result of having allowed themselves to become lost in a maze of identity politics, rather identity culture, which is not the same thing as political movement and which has splintered what remains of would-be-otherwise real left.

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By Skruff, May 28, 2007 at 4:36 pm Link to this comment
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73507 by Ernest Canning on 5/28 at 3:06 pm
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“Hey Skruff, a point on which you and I can agree.  Out of Haiti now!”

We agree quite often, My calculator says 87% over all. If you defactor the immigration issues, it rises to 97.2%

I bet we agree on Domino Sugar and slavery today too>

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By cann4ing, May 28, 2007 at 4:06 pm Link to this comment

Hey Skruff, a point on which you and I can agree.  Out of Haiti now!

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By Skruff, May 28, 2007 at 10:29 am Link to this comment
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I also agree with Marjorie L. Swanson. A “D” next to a person’s name does not insure sound policy.

Out of Iraq….and incidently Haiti… NOW!!

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By cann4ing, May 28, 2007 at 8:28 am Link to this comment

I am in complete agreement with Marjorie L. Swanson.  Progressives should immediate begin a search for like-minded candidates who can oppose every Democrat who capitulated on this war funding bill in the next primary election.  You don’t “support the troops” by enabling George Bush to leave them in harm’s way.  You betray them!

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By Marjorie L. Swanson, May 28, 2007 at 6:41 am Link to this comment

We didn’t have to see the Democrats win. We DID have to see them fight. No wonder a majority of the people in this country think the Republican thugs would do a better job of protecting the country. Democrats aren’t even seen as being able to protect themselves. I would never vote for a Republican can but I won’t vote for a Bush-supporting Democrat either. We have two Democratic Senators in Wisconsin. One is Russ Feingold and the other is a weather vane named Herb Kohl. Kohl voted for the funding and thus will never get a vote from me again. Even if he has no principals, I do.

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By titchaba, May 27, 2007 at 1:55 am Link to this comment
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I have been trying to keep up with what is happening in my Country.  Its not easy, between a clearly co opted press, and the constant stream of diss or missinformation, it is hard to get a true picture.

  I was like most, dissapointed in the seeming capitulation of the Democrats.  I took a couple of days to try and gain some perspective.

  Im not angry anymore.  This particular deck has been so well and truly stacked against not just the Dems but against anyone in the Country who makes less than $250,ooo.oo a year.

  Katrina made it clear where Bush’s priorities lay.

  We will kill the poor by benign neglect, we will reduce the Middle class to fighting for every crumb of the American Dream falls from the table of the Super rich, who fund and run America in 2007.

  As I predicted when this group took power, they went after the courts first, and hardest.

  Who do we blame when 150 Dept of Justice employees were graduates of Liberty University?  Who wasn’t watching????

  I can not believe I was the only one that watched Government Agencies one by one, rendered ineffective through lack of funding.  Who saw government privatised?

  I know Im not, but Im troubled that I am not seeing much in print. 

  What we have here is New Age McCartyism.  They create a devil who threatens us, and pretend to protect us.

  What happened to the border security we Used to have?  Can you say NAFTA?

  So far, its mostly Middle Eastern Males being sent to secret prisons for torture.  But we let them take Habeas Corpus away.  We let them tap our phones, our internet, our lives.  WE DID THAT.  Not Politicians.

  We let ourselves be so consumed by manufactured theat that we gave up the most important thing we have as Ameicans; Liberty.

  And ultimately we have only ourselves to blame.

  Did Pelosi and Byrd cave? perhaps.  But we finally got minimum wage passed.  Other good will come of this seeming capitulation.

  I urge you not to judge to harshly or too soon.  Find your own facts, weigh them, then pick a position.

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By robert a. davies, May 26, 2007 at 4:13 pm Link to this comment
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One way CITIZENS who are anti-war and anti-iran war and pro-civil rights and pro-medicare-style health services for all CAN FIGHT for these values is to refuse to support or vote for the corrupt bastards. Alternative candidates are out there! Bob Davies

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By THOMAS BILLIS, May 26, 2007 at 5:55 am Link to this comment
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The realistic attitude is they did not have the votes and the very real fear that the American public would be fed the President blaming democrats for deaths because of funding.
That said as a party you have to decide what you stand and if it is unsuccessful is it worth going down for.I suggest that war and peace is something that is worth it and that if you are against this war you must standup and fight and bear the consequences whether they are good or bad.
The Democrats by their fecklessness on this issue have created in many of us a desire for a party that will represent the American people and not just at election time.The way is open for a third party as it never has been open before.
In my reading of the mood of the country is that both rational democrats and their counterparts in the republican party are ready for an alternative that will represent us and not corporate interests.Make no mistake about it this is a corporate war.

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By republicanSScareme, May 25, 2007 at 2:30 pm Link to this comment
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The “compromise” Immigration and Iraq funding bills just serve to prove one point:  When push comes to shove, Democrats and Republicans all serve the same master, the criminal rich.

Republicrats? More like The American Nazi Party.

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By TAO Walker, May 25, 2007 at 11:24 am Link to this comment

Fadel Abdallah (#72299), or any other similarly disoriented person there in “amerika,” need only step outside the doors (of their programmed pre-conceptions as well as their house or “work”-place), get to a bit of un-paved ground somewhere, take-off their shoes and socks, and find theirselfs feeling Turtle Island “....move right under (their) feet.”  “North America” is just some words on a map, having no other actual existence except in the fevered imaginations of the purposefully dis-informed.

This was Turtle Island for ages before the tormentors sent their mostly European armies of wage/debt slaves to forcibly occupy the surface.  It’s been Turtle Island for all the four hundred or so winters since they first washed ashore on the Sunrise coast.  It’ll still be Turtle Island long ages after they’re gone.

No blame….just fact.


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By Jim Goodson, May 25, 2007 at 7:18 am Link to this comment
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Mr. Democrat: You disapoint me. Do not ask me for Campaign Contributions. Your words mean nothing. You put yourself on the same level as Abramof.

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By Skruff, May 25, 2007 at 6:58 am Link to this comment
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72615 by Casy on 5/25 at 3:47 am

“The passage of the Iraq funding bill finally shows what a SPINELESS and GUTLESS majority the Democrats are…”

and you expected something different??  Obviously you are not old enough to remember:

The Reagan administration’s violation of the Boland ammendment, and the majority D’s failure to do squat! 

The failure to follow-up on the allegations against Clarence Thomas.

They let Nixon resign without sanctions “He’s suffered enough” So Nixon returned as “Elder Statesman” for the R party and set up the MFN China policy that ignores our former prohibition against allowing “prison labor” to compete in the open market place.

They backed down on the 2000 election “for the good of the country.

The Dems are a dead issue, and the only reason to vote for a person with a D label is because the person with the R label is worse!

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By Casy, May 25, 2007 at 4:47 am Link to this comment

The passage of the Iraq funding bill finally shows what a SPINELESS and GUTLESS majority the Democrats are. They have capitulated their mandate to the maniacal whims of one very dangerous man occupying the presidency. The Democrats are powerless and impotent.

Message to the Democrats in Congress - don’t even try to spin this. WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU DID!

This politically expedient act of cowardice simply ensures that more American and Iraqi blood will be spilled until September, where it is a foregone conclusion that Bush the Idiot and his minions will find ways of continuting this illegal and immoral war. The Democrats now also have blood on their hands.

For the first time in my life I am truly worried we are headed for a much larger conflagration. It seems not even an electoral mandate can effect a change of course because the Democrats are in such pathetic disarray. Bush can now go after Iran. Who is going to stop him - the Democrats? Give me a break! Like I said earlier, they are SPINELESS and GUTLESS!

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By cann4ing, May 24, 2007 at 10:15 pm Link to this comment

I would encourage all Truthdiggers to go to Democracy Now and listen or watch the interview of Dennis Kucinich.  He speaks with a compelling clarity on this very issue.

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By cann4ing, May 24, 2007 at 5:25 pm Link to this comment

Tao Walker.  Thanks for explaining HokaHey.  There is so much substance that Native Americans add to the depth of understanding, and, unfortunately, too few of you to provide it.

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By Hammo, May 24, 2007 at 3:27 pm Link to this comment

Unfortunately, many more Americans and innocent Iraqis will die and be horribly injured before this situation is resolved.

The various viewpoints on the invasion and occupation of Iraq are still too scattered to lead to any successful conclusion at this time ... either success in the military operation or success in getting the heck out of there.

We can only do what we can do and keep plugging away at what we think are the best courses of action.

Food for thought in:

“Emerging discoveries in human consciousness may change many global activities”

American Chronicle
May 24, 2007

-  -  -

“Make love, not jihad: PSYOP, OSINT efforts should tackle repression of romance”

The Muckraker Report
May 24, 2007

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By Pacrat, May 24, 2007 at 3:05 pm Link to this comment
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Why aren’t there any Democratic leaders with the courage of Olbermann? What a bunch of wimps! Are they really that stupid to believe that witholding funds would leave our troops naked in the field. Pelosi’s father would hang his head in shame at his daughter’s inability to lead congress and at her intimidation by the republican minority.

Besides, want to bet that the funds won’t even reach the troops to provide armor, arms, and safe havens? It is really to pay for the Taj Mahal US Embassy, a few more swimming pools or bowling alleys in the Green Zone that ordinary military can’t even enter for a weekend break, and for the more than 100 thousand mercenaries who fight in the name of the US, or for Halliburton bonuses?

If the funds for the Bush war in Iraq were withheld at midnight tonight it would take at least a year to arrange for the gradual withdrawal of troops, if that’s where the money went. Do the democrats who are supposedly Washington pros not even understand how long it takes to defund a program - months and sometimes years.

Why is this country saddled with incompetent wimps in Congress, democrats as well as republicans?

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By Davian, May 24, 2007 at 11:57 am Link to this comment

This is the defining obitituary of the democratic process, where, even as the voters responded in such overwhelming numbers, vote-fixing machinations couldn’t rig the results. That may well be the last presidential election in America.

This is about the people having gone to the voting booths properly alarmed with war and corruption on their minds, trusting the Democrats could meaningfully intercede. The Democrat’s impotence, and willingness to bargain, as if apocalypse weren’t impending, is breathtaking.

When Principles such as the integrity of the democratic structure are cast aside from the most urgent matters of the planet in the interest of achieving goals of less urgent matters of the nation, we are left to watch a meaningless theater where America’s democracy is a flimsy stage set, and when the show is over, walk outside to the new world “order”.

Please consider this: If Bush’s twitching finger on the “nucular” trigger in the Middle East gets pulled, the mayhem unleashed may well preclude future elections in America. He has already deconstructed core principles of our constitution. He has demonstrated such willful disregard for America as we once knew it, there is presently little left to save anyway.

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By TAO Walker, May 24, 2007 at 10:12 am Link to this comment

Verne Arnold (#72265)asks the meaning of “HokaHey!”  Among the Lakota Nation, and indeed free wild peoples everywhere and in all times, it is well known there are a near infinitude of fates worse than mere death….something the civilized peoples are learning the hard way here in these latter days.

So one way and another us heathen savages remind one another that dying is a way out of impossible conditions when all others are closed-off.  So it is not something to be feared and put-off at all cost, as the domesticated two-leggeds (especially the allamerican breeds) tend to do, but accepted (even, in dire circumstances, welcomed) as the escape-hatch it is for us when accident, illness, or old age make our Birthday Suits unwearable, or the tormentors are being particularly vicious….as they are here in their latest (and last) reign-of-terror.

So we say, everyday, “It is a good day to die!”


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By Whitehouse Criminals, May 24, 2007 at 10:01 am Link to this comment
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No surprise that those spineless Dumbocrats in Congress keep bowing to the moron-in-chief, they all have the SAME agenda, to screw the people of this country.

Revolutions can be a good & necessary thing, clean-out the crooks & take-back your nation.

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By Stephen Smoliar, May 24, 2007 at 9:54 am Link to this comment

david e (#72131) makes a good point;  and this is both good news and bad news.  The good news is that he has stated in the most explicit language what it is that Bush has that the Democrats lack, the power to reduce everything to right and wrong (or good and evil) from the point of view of a personal moral stance.  The bad news is that the Bush tactic still trumps anything the Democrats try to do, even when their efforts involve responding to the demands of their respective constituencies.

Let me try to make this a bit more specific.  One way to interpret Bush’s position would be to say, “I do not care what Cindy Sheehan is saying.  MY personal morality tells me that we are waging war against evil and must prevail, whatever the price may be.”  The Democrats DO care what Cindy (and all of those who sympathize with her) says.  They should, because their respect for that opinion got them elected.  To put it in david e’s terms, THEIR morality has more to do with the “goodness” (or “sanctity”) of the voice of voting Americans.

So what’s the difference?  On my own blog I argued that Russ Feingold seems to have assessed the situation most accurately:  “There has been a lot of tough talk from members of Congress about wanting to end this war, but it looks like the desire for political comfort won out over real action.”

The bottom line is that Bush has the WILL to stand behind HIS morality;  and the Congress prefers “political comfort” to strength of will.

By the way, if there is any remaining doubt about what the strength of will can do, Sundance is currently airing the documentary SIR!  NO SIR!

This is an excellent chronicle of the efforts to end the war in Vietnam that took place WITHIN the military.  It left me with hope that a parallel effort may yet emerge.

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By Joe R., May 24, 2007 at 9:47 am Link to this comment
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The Dem’s do not have the votes to override Bush’s agenda.  What is demoralizing is how they loose the propaganda war on every issue.  Labeling the Dem’s pull out of Iraq’s proposal a surrender to terrorism has Carl Roves name all over it.  He is the greatest political dirty trickster since Joseph Goebels, another well known Nazi.  We got Harry Reid who may be well meaning but could put a meth freak to sleep.  God help us.
The Dem’s will lose the next election unless they get a candidate that can think on there feet.  On Meet the Press, I watched Chris Dodd get slaughtered by Newt Gingrich.  Gingrich was laying out a case for widening the war into biblical proportions and Dodd couldn’t rebuff him at all.  Gingrich is scary and wrong about everything but he delivers like he knows what he is talking about and for most America’s that’s all that it takes.

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By carlito paquito, May 24, 2007 at 9:01 am Link to this comment
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The Jig is Up.  “Two parties,one degree difference,” I read Winston Churchill’s Bio many moons ago, Winston was right.  So now what?

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By atheo, May 24, 2007 at 8:58 am Link to this comment


“Not a whole lot will change because the leadership on the Democratic side, even if they had their way, don’t have a different foreign policy. They have been supportive of an interventionist foreign policy in the middle east, and they are not about to back away from that… They are willing to criticize the policy but only as a means to get power.”

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By kevin99999, May 24, 2007 at 8:51 am Link to this comment
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I am not sure I agree with Keith on this. The Democrats had no choice. They really cant do anything unless they have the support of the Republicans who are more loyal to their party than the country. I think they made their point for now and perhaps get ready for battle in September. May be they will have more support from the republicans…I wouldn’t count on their support. They would rather see the country bleed than go against the president of their party.

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By GW=MCHammered, May 24, 2007 at 8:48 am Link to this comment
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So my new neighbor walks up wearing colorful shorts, spendy sandals, dark sunglasses, puffing a huge cigar. Mid the usual niceties, he proudly announces, “I’m a republican.” To which I replied, “Yeah, so are the democrats, what’s your point?” He answered, “I just felt it should be out in the open.”

Like he hadn’t already been identified by everyone else wearing coats on this cold-gray day. I could go on about his über-optimism over the economy, US military strength abroad and his love of the president, but I just felt sorry for him.

‘Cause I know that one day soon, I’ll have to remove his sunglasses and woefully explain to him, “Brother-American, much like the other working poor, the hundreds living in tents on the beaches of Hawaii, and just like the rest of us here, you now live in a campground.”

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By Fadel Abdallah, May 24, 2007 at 8:31 am Link to this comment
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Response to #72217 by TAO Walker on 5/23 at 10:39 pm

Thank you Brother TAO Walker for your response to my lament. Your truthful and wise words provided much needed solace. I feel the spiritual affinity that binds us, and I wish the “Turtle Island” you mentioned was a real specific place to which I can make what might be my final migration.

However, as a matter of pragmatism, I wish there were enough “free spirits” in this vast land of 300 million inhabitants, mostly slaves or semi-slaves, to start a real revolution for liberation from the yoke of the evil ones! This is the only hope!

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By Verne Arnold, May 24, 2007 at 7:08 am Link to this comment

Mr. Walker,
Welcome back.  I missed your sage comments and can find no argument with these things you have said.
“What in hell have any of you really got left to lose now, anyway”.
Very good question and it begs many possible answers.  I have way too many posts here…and I don’t have a clue!  Rants are worthless (guilty)...too much intelectualism, like any ism, is worthless as well.

You make me think!!!!! 

By the way, what does HokaHey mean?


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By Mythbuster, May 24, 2007 at 5:37 am Link to this comment
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Hi, please let me introduce myself. My Name is Thomas and I am something as strange as a brand new LIBERAL FOR FASCISM.
Please hear me out. I am a very liberal person, very far out to the so-called left on the American political scale. I am very much against this war and almost everything else the current fascist regime stands for. Yet, as of today I am all for it and its doings.
“Why?” you might ask.
Because I have ran out of options with my old political leadership. They are not doing anything for me or all the things I believe in. So in order get an end to this war as quickly as possible and to start seeing some money being used for some constructive domestic purposes again (like social welfare and education among many things) I will from now on support the Bush regime.
So here’s to you Mr. Bush. I am convinced your ratings will start climbing again from now on and I am all for it. Don’t forget though, I do hate your guts, it’s just that I detest the Democratic leadership even more…

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By TAO Walker, May 23, 2007 at 11:39 pm Link to this comment

Fadel Abdallah (#72165), other disenchanted commentors here, and indeed anybody else who has woken up to the fact the amerika they thought they lived in is instead just the temporary home-base for a ruthless privateering plutoligarchy presently busily screwing-down the inhabitants of “the homeland” right along with those “third-worlders” living atop or amidst “resources” coveted by the anglo-amerikan empire, are welcome to abandon the collapsing criminal allamerikanenterprise and become Turtle Islanders.  This will require giving-up what are quite likely their most cherished beliefs about such figments of the fevered mass imagination as “individualism,” “democracy,” “theamericandream,” and their carefully cultivated illusions about the essential nature of “civilization” itself.

Turtle Island tolerates only free wild natural human and other beings.  Livestock of any kind can expect a “lifestyle” here that is “....nasty, brutish, and short,” massive medical intervention over the near term notwithstanding.  This natural fact is already very evident among factory-farmed breeds of all kinds, and the tame two-leggeds here are obviously more-and-more expendable, in the interests of the degenerate “ruling elites,” and their life-hating “sponsors,” with each passing day.  This old Indian gets no satisfaction from stating these hard facts, but neither does it seem decent to become aware of such heart-felt laments as Fadel Abdallah’s without at least offering a truly viable alternative.

Tinkering around with the institutional and electro-mechanical machinery of their captivity might gain for some a little temporary relief from the steady erosion of their “comfort levels,” but the overall process itself is as inevitable as it is terminally “prejudicial.”  Deriving “profit” from the entire “life-cycle” and then “capitalizing” on the after-death disposition of “the remains” is what “civilization” is all about.  Anyone wanting proof is urged to visit any packing plant or war zone.

The cowards and criminals in Congress and the Executive and the Courts are destined for the same fate, but they will first feed as many of their constituents to the greedy “gods” their monied masters worship as time and circumstances permit.  Thus this latest obeisance and blood-sacrifice before the altars of Ares….and Mammon….and Molloch. 

The thing is these ancient tormentors have no apetite for us “ickche wichasha,” us free wild natural human beings.  Their refined tastes demand captive foodstuffs processed through the mechanisms of “civilization.”  Throw-off what even its most avid apologists acknowledge is civilization’s “veneer,” recover your natural freedom and wildness, join the Song ‘n’ Dance of Life Herownself here on Turtle Island, and you stand at least a Ghostdancers’ chance of telling this tale to your GreatGrandChildren..

What in hell have any of you really got left to lose now, anyway.


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By gerardo ramos, May 23, 2007 at 11:38 pm Link to this comment
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monumental wimps, for going along with bush. it’s not their asses being sent into the fray of a horrific, absurd and unjustified war, so they rationalize their insipid, spineless maneuvering and go home to their safe, cushy mansions far from the hell they vote to continue funding. remind me, why did we vote for the democrats?

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By Fadel Abdallah, May 23, 2007 at 9:11 pm Link to this comment

Another sad day in the ever regressing fortunes of America! One might call this, “Minimum wages for maximum blood!” What a bloody, cheap and cowardly bargain between the neo-fascists and the ultimate cowards! 

Today is an exceptionally sad day for me personally, for I have totally given up hope on my adopted homeland of 30 years! My original homeland has been under the most brutal occupation modern history has known for sixty years, and today I give up hope on my adopted homeland. Is there any good reason to continue living with hope?!

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By DennisD, May 23, 2007 at 9:00 pm Link to this comment
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We have two parties that do nothing but play good cop, bad cop on every issue with the end result never seeming to go the American publics way. This is truly another golden age for the worlds corporations at the expense of the people of the world as usual. The deep pockets never seem to get filled enough.
Both parties do everything possible to keep third party candidates off primary ballots and out of debates. Not even the Mafia is this exclusive. Quite a few of our illustrious reprehensibles from both parties have business ties to foreign countries which we don’t consider to be our friends if not outright enemies. It’s all about the money with these scumbags and never anything else.
Watching these dirtbags stand up in front of the American flag to go through their latest Abbott & Costello, “Who’s on first” routine makes me physically sick. Sorry Bud & Lou.

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By david e, May 23, 2007 at 7:57 pm Link to this comment
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The Democrats’ collapse illustrates the bankruptcy inherent in any opposition based on instrumental, as opposed to moral, criteria. “This isn’t working” cannot sustain a position.  “This is wrong” can.  Until enough Democrats embrace the latter, they will lack the strength and justification to employ the only real tool they have—-to refuse any appropriation for continuation of the war.

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By lawlessone, May 23, 2007 at 7:18 pm Link to this comment
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Why don’t the Congressional Democrats simply repeal the stupid resolution that gave Bush the power to invade in the first place.  That way, not only would the troops be supported, but it would make them staying there illegal.

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By DMK, May 23, 2007 at 7:05 pm Link to this comment

The names of the political parties should be changed to: “Crooks” and “Cowards.” I am sickened by both sides. Time for a new party with guts and common sense to form and take control.

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By cann4ing, May 23, 2007 at 5:53 pm Link to this comment

The argument that they don’t have the votes is a pure canard.  The President is coming to Congress for funds.  All it takes is 41 Senators to filibuster to block any funding bill.  You don’t “support the troops” by enabling Bush to leave them in harm’s way.  You betray them.  Moreover, most of this money does not go to the troops.  It goes to private contractors, Halliburton, Blackwater, etc.

We need to target “every” Democrat who supports this measure in the next primary election for replacement by a Democrat who will do the People’s bidding instead of the corporatocracy’s bidding.

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By andie w, May 23, 2007 at 5:32 pm Link to this comment
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While the dems are surrendering and allowing the Administration to continue its failed policy, at least it can be said that they went down with more of a fight this time.  Hopefully this will lead to the administration finally getting the message that the American people do not support the war.  However, the dems (and the republicans) should continue to keep in mind the high costs of war above and beyond the billions of dollars they have handed over to the president.  Because of Iraq we are missing our chances to make positive differences in the world.  The UN’s Millennium Development Goals have laid out an achievable plan for fighting global poverty, and the time to do it is now.  However crucial political and financial support for the effort is being sucked up by the war.  Maybe keeping thoughts like this in mind will lead to the commitment that is needed to finally bring an end to this debacle.

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